Woodward will be on Imus ....

[H2O Man]

this morning. They have mentioned a newspaper story by Woodward that starts off with the fact that Woodward "met" Felt when he was in the Navy, and brought messages to Felt. DUers should keep in mind that, as a Naval officer, Woodward specialized in "communications." Read between the lines, and the Watergate "mystery" is beginning to become even clearer than it was a week ago.

[thebigidea]

1. it will go a little something like this

WOODWARD: "ahm... drone drone drone... ahm... drone drone drone..."

IMUS: "But wasn't he just a big jerk? A Real weasel."

SID: "Haw haw haw, Iman. Something about lesbians and minorities."

IMUS: "Shut up, you idiot."

SID: (sycophant laughter)

UNFUNNY IMPRESSIONIST: (sycophant laughter)

WOODWARD: "ahm... ahm... drone drone drone."

IMUS: "5 of 7 on the Imus in the morning program. Up next, Tim Russert. What a jerk."

(cue Satisfaction, commercial break)

[H2O Man]

3. Actually, it's not.

I think it is as good an interview as one could find on the corporate media.

[mopaul]

4. woodward: "buh kuzz, buh kuzz, buh kuzz"

it's 'bee kawz' moron! i can't stand to watch imus or woodward, i'll take your word for it.

so far i've been lucky, and only seen imus for a few fleeting seconds at a time while surfing

[H2O Man]

6. Oh, it's interesting, Mopaul ....

Carl Bernstein is on, too. Imus is asking serious questions. This is good.

[H2O Man]

10. One of the highpoints

was Imus asking how Felt, who had been out of the Bureau for four months when Woodward claims the conversation took place, told him that a small group within the White House had erased part of a tape. Of course, this was the infamous Rosemary Woods gap.

What is interesting is that the FBI would not have known about it, so even if Felt had maintained his best connections there, he wouldn't have known. Thus, Imus asked if Felt had his own Deep Throat? Carl says, "You've got it." Imus says, "Must be in the White House." Woodward snaps, "No!" and then says it wasn't.

How would Woodward know? The implications are fascinating. Add to this the first case that Felt fed Woodward information on: Agnew's taking cash as governor of Maryland. As all students of Watergate know, whoever was looking to take Nixon out started by wounding Agnew. Thus, Felt was involved in his attack on the administration before previously reported.

[BurtWorm]

14. Woodward is very territorial about Deep Throat.

I'm not listening to the show, just reading your comment and Tim Noah's piece about him yesterday on Slate, in which he raised the possibility (not sure that he intended to) that Woodward might have to pay for lying all these years about Felt.

[H2O Man]

15. Right.

I think that most of us have the ability to tell an honest person from a dishonest one. Honest people tend to be trusting, unless someone gives them a reason not to enjoy that general trust. Woodward is not honest. Were we in the same room with him, we would have a strong physical reaction that says "warning! warning!" On tv, or even on the pages of a book, I just find him troubling.

[fob]

35. I know what you're saying, I've seen him on tv several times and I get

the feeling that his eyes are darting around the room even though they are in fact NOT moving like that. His phoniness just shoots out from him.

[EVDebs]

17. Alex Butterfield was CIA in charge of tape; CIA bungles burglary

setting up the impeachable offenses; Gordon Strachan possibly also a CIA plant inside the White House (see Secret Agenda by Jim Hougan and Haldeman's Ends of Power--

"That the CIA should have infiltrated the White House is a startling idea, but McMahon is by no means its only adherent. As H. R. Haldeman has written: "Were there CIA 'plants' in the White House? On July 10, 1975, Chairman Lucien Nedzi of the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee released an Inspector-General's Report in which the CIA admitted there was a 'practice of detailing CIA employees to the White House and various government agencies.' The IG Report revealed there were CIA agents in 'intimate components of the Office of the President.' Domestic CIA plants are bad enough, but in 'intimate components' of the Office of the President?"' Haldeman then goes on to speculate about the identities of the CIA men in the White House. His main suspect is Alexander Butterfield, the former Air Force officer whose White House responsibilities included overall supervision of the presidential taping system. That system consisted of some two dozen room microphones and telephone taps that Wong's Secret Service detachment had installed in the White House and at Camp David; voice-activated by the Presidential Locator System or manually by Butterfield, the microphones and taps fed into a set of concealed Sony tape recorders.' Haldeman's suspicions about Butterfield - who denies that he was a CIA asset-were shared by Rose Mary Woods, President Nixon's personal secretary. Together they criticize Butterfield for voluntarily revealing the existence of the taping system; they point with suspicion to Butterfield's early service as a military aide to GOP nemesis Joseph Califano, and make much of the fact that the circumstances of Butterfield's White House appointment are disputed."

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbutterfield.htm

http://www.answers.com/topic/gordon-c-strachan

And begin to see what Graboske alludes to below

ADMIRAL MOORER, GENERAL HAIG AND THE NIXON WHITE HOUSE
by Frederick J. Graboske
http://www.watergate.com/stories/obit.asp

"As Nixon noted in his conversations with Haldeman and Ehrlichman, the White House is honey-combed with members of the military services. The after-hours telephone operators were from the Army Signal Corps. Camp David is operated and staffed by the military. The White House drivers and other support staff are military in civilian clothes. Many NSC and other staff members are current or former members of the military. Was "Deep Throat" one of these individuals, or an amalgam of them? Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward formerly (1969-70) had been a Naval briefing officer for the Pentagon; Haig knew him. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that "Deep Throat" was an amalgam of disaffected military officers, in the Pentagon and in the White House. In any event, the questions and possibilities raised by the military spy ring are too important for it to have been ignored completely in Moorer's obituaries"

Or ignored by M$M, Anus in the AM, or anywhere else Woodward and Co wish to hide...

[H2O Man]

21. McCord.

There are a couple types of plumbers: those who were not much smarter than college kids out raising hell, although they were vicious as hell; and the real professionals.

Tape on the fucking door? Give me a break. McCord was not a dumb fellow. Look at his behavior when he was arraigned.

[blm]

19. Poppy Bush was counting on VP for Nixon's 2nd term.

I will never stop believing that it's Poppy who is the main source for Woodward.

It seems Woodward could never find anything Bush1 did wrong in IranContra and BCCI, and also claimed there was "No story" in Enron. Now WHY would he do that?


Plus, we all know Bush2 only allows those he trusts in his inner circle to get close to him, so WHY was Woodward allowed so much access to Bush right after 9-11?

[H2O Man]

20. Naw.

Bush played no role in bringing Nixon down. Just the opposite: he tried to support Nixon. Rumsfeld, who was already bitter enemies with Bush, was active in the effort to take Nixon down. But Bush did not. The truth is that a few things have occured in the world's history that the Bush family didn't plan or control.

[goclark]

30. Poppy is and was a snake in the grass

If I recall a discussion here once, Poppy visited Cheney the night before 911 in the WH. For what purpose was that one on one meeting?

Just an example of "Why is he always in the Middle and no one ever blames him."

The apple does not fall far from the tree and the wife and the Chimp are MEAN, Poppy is a closet MEAN ...IMO.

I will never believe that he was on Nixon's side. He is and was a snake in the grass.

[H2O Man]

2. Imus read the transcript

of Haldeman telling Nixon that Felt was the leaker. What is fascinating is that Felt was aware that Haldeman knew it was him. On page 173 of "All the President's Men," it notes, "Woodward was now more certain of two things: Haldeman was the correct name, and Haldeman had accumulated frightening power. Deep Throat did not scare easily."

This is when Woodward and Bernstein had figured out that Haldeman was actually running the "dirty tricks." Haldeman was a vicious man, who actually set the stage for shits like Rove. At the time, no one dared to talk about him, much less cross him. Felt was suddenly intimidated, and there was a low point in his providing information to Woodward.

[Just Me]

5. I have very limited cable access.

I don't even get MSNBC which I assume is where Imus' show plays.

If he reveals a fuller version of the story, please outline that information. I am very interested in how the events unfolded.

[H2O Man]

7. I will ....

I'm going to be gone most of the day. But this is VERY INTERESTING. Imus is actually asking as good of questions as any corporate media person would dare. This is high quality for cable tv.

[Just Me]

12. Thanks, H2O Man!!!

:hug:

[H2O Man]

13. Sure.

Did you read post #10?

[Just Me]

16. Yep.

So, apparently, there was at least one other person passing information. Or, secret surveillance was being performed. Interesting. There's still an aura of protection, it seems.

[H2O Man]

8. They are going to be on

the Today show next .....

[EVDebs]

18. Nixon also thought Robert F. Bennett was Deep Throat

see p 484 Citizen Hughes by Michael Drosnin.

Woodward goes to great lengths to not mention that the head of Mullen & Co, Robert F. Bennett (now SENATOR, R-UT) was a CIA operative himself back then, and that the Mullen operation was a CIA front.

Great coverup ongoing...Keep me posted !

[H2O Man]

22. These guys are no closer to

telling the real story today than Nixon was in 1973.

[EVDebs]

23. Oops that should be page 434 of Citizen Hughes by Drosnin sorry!

[orpupilofnature57]

9. Too bad Imust be a asshole will be there, could be a historic event.

[H2O Man]

11. It was really good.

It isn't important if one likes Imus as a person. He asked good questions. Would it be better to have a panel of DUers question Woodward and Bernstein? Sure. But as far as the corporate media, there will not be a better interview. (They are coming up on NBC now.)

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

24. Thanks for the updates H20 Man

There's been precious little coverage of Felt over here & it seems unlikely that we'll see any substantial issues raised, which is very frustrating for this one-time Watergate junkie (I even read "Will" for my sins!). YOur point about Felt having his own source is intriguing. I still persist in my belief that Haig was a source (as he certainly was heavily in "The Final Days") so maybe he's the missing link after all.

[H2O Man]

25. Tonight on HardBall

Chris Matthews revealed that Felt indeed had a "Deep Throat" within the White House. According to him, Felt had done a large favor for John Ehrlichman, who in turn provided Felt with inside information on the White House. While I am prone to not believing anything like that without some other confirmation, it makes sense. It really would fit.

It was also mentioned that Felt had a WW2 history in intelligence work on an international level. The chances that he was Woodward's handler seem to be increasing.

[EVDebs]

26. That CIA had 'infiltrated' Nixon's WH staff is mentioned by

Haldeman's book The Ends of Power, referring specifically to Alexander Butterfield (who was Haldeman's school friend and had worked in the CIA in Australia prior to WH staff job). Ehrlichman cryptically refers to Gordon Strachan, Haldeman's political lieutenant, as knowing more in this:

"However, G. Gordon Liddy has claimed in his book Will, and in a sworn deposition1, that Strachan was aware of political intelligence gathering that Liddy was undertaking, including the Watergate break-in. Liddy claims that Strachan discussed the poor quality of the intelligence gathered from the first successful Watergate beak-in and that Liddy told him they were "going back in" to correct the technical problems with the monitoring devices. Dean withheld this information from Haldeman and John Ehrlichman2 which led to the White House adopting the erroneous position that no one in the White House had involvement, it was all contained within CRP. In a 1997 interview with Tom Clancy for the video Eye of the Storm, John Ehrlichman stated Strachan "knows a lot, that he's not telling."

Strachan was indicted along with other White House staffers on March 1, 1974 but all charges against him were dropped on June 10, 1975."

http://www.answers.com/topic/gordon-c-strachan

By his very lenient treatment, despite the severity of offense, you can only conclude that Strachan was the beneficiary of a higher power. And Butterfield did no crimes at all. Robert F. Bennett, the Mullen & Co. source for Bob Woodward, today he gets superficial treatment and no reference AT ALL to his CIA role.

"By March 1971 he was working as a staff assistant on Haldeman's staff, handling all projects in the political area. Although Strachan told the Ervin Committee he worked in Klein's shop until the end of December 1970, his chronological files as a staff assistant to Klein end at the beginning of March 1971.

Other material related to Gordon Strachan are in Haldeman's Staff Member and Office Files within the White House Special Files. These files include, as a readily identifiable body of materials, Strachan's chronological files. These particular files, comprising 3.6 cubic feet, date from March 1971 to December 1972, when he left Haldeman's staff to assume the duties of general counsel at the United States Information Agency."

http://www.nixon.archives.gov/find/textual/presidential/special/staff/strachan.html

Points us to another clue with USIA, who's bureacratic history is meshed with intelligence, see

"This study would result in a world wide monitoring and broadcasting Government agency called the Foreign Broadcast Intelligence Service (FBIS).

FBIS would become the United States Information Agency (USIA). The USIA was established to achieve US foreign policy by influencing public attitude at home and abroad using psycho-political policy strategies. The USIA Office of Research and reference service prepares data on psychological factors and propaganda problems considered by the Policy Planning Board in formulating psycho-political information policies for the National Security Council (NSC)."

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/lhcfrnsc.html

We need to hold a prayer vigil, one would guess, in order to get M$M, to scrape the surface in the print media at least, to delve into the CIA's motives in Watergate...which will show the coup d'etat was based in the Adm. Moorer spy ring along with the Huston Plan 'turf' wars of the intelligence community regarding martial law and domestic intelligence.

The media does 'who, what, when, where' pretty decently. They won't go near 'why'.

[H2O Man]

27. Very interesting.

It seems to be something beyond any one identified intelligence agency. I think it is becoming clearer that Felt "handled" Woodward from at least 1969-70 through 1975. Re-reading things like "All the President's Men" and the numerous news stories from the past few days, if you think of Felt as possibly supervising Woodward, it makes sense. Woodward is a Naval officer in communications; he has limited writing skills. Yet as he prepares to leave the Navy, Felt mentors him and suggests he become a journalist? Felt, who admittedly holds the media in contempt, advises a young friend to go into the media? Odd.

Next, after a brief stint with the Sentinel, Woodward joins the Post. Nine months later, Felt begins to help him with Watergate. The description in the book is not so much that of a person leaking information, as a supervisor directing an operation. And Bernstein is the author. Woodward's skills are clearly in collecting information through interviews famous for being unorthodox (late night, etc), almost a form of interrogation.

[EVDebs]

31. Chile, Money, and Gordon Strachan....and Watergate.

The “Chilean investors” of page 36 All The President’s Men were really the CIAs excess monies returning to the campaign coffers of Nixon. It is obviouls that the money trail was not followed, as Renata Adler’s “In search of the real Nixon scandal” article in the Dec 1976 Atlantic Monthly points out.
“U.S. Responsibility for the Coup in Chile” http://www.namebase.org/chile.html . Nixon’s ‘new economic policy for Chile’ began in August 1971. Strachan began around March 1971 as a USIA counsel.

[H2O Man]

34. Chilean and Mexican funny-money

The Nixon administration's abuse of intelligence agencies, including using numerous foreign set-ups to launder money, was clearly the model used by Iran-Contra criminals, and which is being used today. Amazing. In many ways, this is an opportunity for the democratic left to expose the general public to these abuses, and to show how congress is supposed to respond.

[EVDebs]

37. Which is why Congress won't do anything. Korea-gate, etc.

Foreign money making its way into US political campaigns...And the CIA's own hands in the till on some of that too.

Payoffs have to be financed off the books and unconstitutionally. Congress is supposed to control the CIA/intell budget but Blank Check by Tim Weiner shows that they get much money from black operations, out of control of Congress.

This is all supposed to be 'for our own good' but as you can see, we end up with unwinnable war on drugs, and fiascos overseas as with Vietnam and now...

[Eloriel]

28. Ehrlichmann? Oh, c'mon

There was no bigger, more arrogant sociopath / self-righteous, self-satisfied, narcissistic criminal during that era than he and Haldemann. His defiant, arrogant, uncooperative demeanor during the Senate hearings spoke volumes to his guilt and complicity. No way he could've been an inside Deep Throat. Look for someone with a SOUL, for starters.

Or, if there WAS any useful information passed by Ehrlichmann, it certainly was t best completely inadvertently harmful to Nixon and his people.

[H2O Man]

32. The idea is

that Ehrlichman gave information to Felt, whom he trusted to be a friend. It is not being presented as Ehrlichman being involved in the effort to bring Nixon down. Exactly the opposite.

[Eloriel]

29. Woodward in the Navy

It's well known he was in the ONI. Were you not aware of that? I'm sorry I don't have a link (well, I probably do, just not labeled as such).

[H2O Man]

33. ONI

There may be links that speculate that he was/is. I have speculated as much on here before. But, unlike the other agencies, there aren't public records that confirm this.

[EVDebs]

36. Probe Magazine's Probe V3N2: Bob Woodward bio

www.webcom.com/ctka/pr196-woodward.html

also see SourceWatch

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bob_Woodward

Namebase shows the intell background listing W Mark Felt

www.namebase.org/main4/W-Mark-Felt.html with

"Assn. Former Intelligence Officers. Membership Directory. 1984"

listed. Woodward, when he retires will be listed ...