embrace your inner conspiracy theorist

[mopaul]

once and for all, break through the ridicule barrier, the paranoia barrier, the common sense barrier and listen to the little voice in your head telling you, 'something' ain't right here'.

afraid of someone calling you a crackpot? why? afraid of ridicule or derision? why? afraid of being scolded by your own peers? why?

put two and two together. it only takes two people for a conspiracy. look at all the shit going down around you, and let the light bulbs go off in your head.

sure, most conspiracy theories are crap, but some of them are true by god, and with bushco, you have to think overtime.

[LaurenG]

1. Agree

I wrote to the pres and vp, opened my e-mail this morning and both letters returned - delivery failure. I guess they don't want to hear what I have to say.

Hum, I must be on that list I always hear about.

[praxiz]

3. Or maybe you entered the adress wrong.

Why jump to the most complex and paranoid of conclutions? :)

[mopaul]

4. no shit. paranoid much?

wrong address...of course....funny

[LaurenG]

9. Nope not the wrong address

Read the topic here. "embrace your inner conspiracy theorist" I am!:+

[dbt]

2. Hey, mo! Y'know why there are so many conspiracy THEORIES?

[praxiz]

Because people want a system, they want order, they want control.

Even if they are not the ones in control, people like to think that there is a meaning behind everything. Sinister or not, doesn't matter. A random act of insanity like a lone gunman is just to frightening. Instead, its more comforting to think that everything was under control.

But thats just MY (not conspiracy) theory. :)

[Cooley Hurd]

5. My family members were ready to have me committed in 2002...

...because of my "rantings" about the Bush admin's pre-9/11 lack of action to stop the event.

Now, they consider me the family soothsayer...:thumbsup:

[Just Me]

14. When I told mine,...

,...that I am putting back every penny in case I have to haul my only son to Canada if the neoCONs are allowed to go forward on their plans to control the whole M.E., they thought I was overreacting,...until my brother (National Guard) received notice he is going to Iraq.

[Henny Penny]

6. "sure, most conspiracy theories are crap,"... I disagree

here. For most conspiracy theories to survive in daylight, they have to be plausible. That is they have to have supporting facts, or plausibly fit the known data.

It is quite possible that a much larger proportion of such theories are true, than is ever acknowledged even by their proponents.

[mopaul]

7. every lie contains a shred of truth

i'd guess that about half the wacky theories about bush are in fact true.

[oblivious]

11. I disagree along with you.

If mopaul's talking about the conspiracy theories the government puts forth to explain things I might accept his statement. But the theories put forth by free and critical thinking researchers aren't generally crap at all.

Agree with mopaul on the rest of it.

[Henny Penny]

15. I think the conspiracy theories put forward by govt.s

usually fall very short in the plausiblity area, and only survive because they are never publically tested, by journalists asking searching questions etc.

So its down to us
:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: on the net to draw attention to these shortcomings!

:hi:

[Swamp Rat]

8. Nothing to see here ... go back to sleep ... obey ... Bush is god

[mopaul]

10. nice zombie mon

[HughBeaumont]

38. YES!!!!

I knew it was only a matter of time before Sheep-woman was covered by your galvanized Photoshopping.

[H2O Man]

12. There is no such thing

as "coincidence." Look at the connections between things. Look for patterns. Examine the relationship between peoples and events. There is a cause for every effect, and every effect then becomes cause. It does not follow that everything is part of a vast conspiracy, but it is true that everything is part of a system. And each system, as a cause, can only create an effect that is part of that system, and can't be otherwise.

[LaurenG]

13. I was also trained in that school of thought

There are NO accidents just events occuring to teach us all to pay attention. I thought ths was a really great topic and a fun one. Let your imagination run wild. You never know what you're going to get.

[BurtWorm]

16. At least try to make sense with your "theories."

A theory that leaves too many ellipses is not a theory, it's thinking out loud and not all the way through. And I would also caution against being more certain about a half-baked theory than about simple facts that contradict it. And against paranoia about skeptics of your theories.

[Henny Penny]

17. If your theory cannot counter simple facts contradicting it,

then your theory cannot stand, and will attract very few adherents.

If simple facts disprove your theory, its dead in the water and must be rethought, or abandoned altogether.

The net offers a great opportunity to offer evidence to support or refute a theory very quickly. And in this way, theories that survive have a pretty good chance of being true or at least part of the truth.

[BurtWorm]

18. The Internet also has a bad track record of keeping alive piece of shit

theories like the Foster "murder." People have to use their brains and evaluate alternative sources just as much as "mainstream" sources.

[mopaul]

20. the very existence of jesus is still being debated as a theory

but many believe in him absolutely, though they've never seen him, or met him, and are removed from him by two millenia.

[BurtWorm]

31. Amen, brother!

See, that's one of the conspiracy theories, if you will, that I do subscribe to, that the early church turned a mystery cult into a personality cult and a myth into a person. But I believe that theory because the evidence for it is convincing, not just because I can't stomach certain Christians.

[Henny Penny]

21. You are right Burt,

regarding evaluating the evidence proffered. I'm not familiar with the Foster "murder" theory, but in general I'd say you have to differentiate between a "theory" and "gossip".

Theories can be tested in order to validate them, or not. But gossip we choose to believe based on whether we like the person or not.

[BurtWorm]

29. Well said.

:toast:

[H2O Man]

22. If one out of five people

is in the lower 20% of intellectual capacity, the chances are they are going to be found at times on the internet. A nation that produces a willing audience for "American Idle-minded" shows and soap operas is going to embrace the type of theories you mention. Likewise, the same public will embrace Pat Robertson, McDonalds, and other nonsense.

A chicken can only produce a chicken egg, as Malcolm reminded us, and a duck can only produce a duck egg. The silly theories are merely the projections of silly people, just as the chicken egg is a projections of hens. To expect stupid people to produce smart theories may be asking the impossible.

[BurtWorm]

33. Except that some of these Fosterphiles are very intelligent people

believe it or not. But intelligence is not fool-proof protection against gullibility, surprisingly.

[H2O Man]

40. Okay. There are lots

of people with moderate to high intelligence who have severe personality disorders that make them likely to subscribe to what seem like silly conspiracy theories, but which are actually just their projecting their own paranoia and anxiety on a political canvas. Same idea.

[BurtWorm]

41. I'll buy that.

:tinfoilhat:

[mopaul]

19. skeptic away, i'm the first to admit i'm probably wrong

i'm not attacking anyone, and my brain is definitely half baked.

[BurtWorm]

28. I applaud your honesty.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

And my remarks aren't really directed at you, anyway, but at a class of theorists who could just as easily fit in on the right as on the left, the ones with zero sense of humor. That definitely ain't you! ;)

[bpilgrim]

24. hey, this is DU

and we exposed plenty of dirt on this criminal gang very coherently that has spread around the globe.

try to hold your hostility and ridicule in check when examining them.

tia :toast:

peace

[BurtWorm]

30. There's not an ounce of hostility in my post, bp.

I'm just offering a word of caution based on years of arguing with some thickheads on the right about the evil Clintons. I've seen vastly more evidence of evil in the Bush clan, but I've also seen some theorizing a la mob here (especially on Gannon) that seems to me to lead nowhere but into a swamp and exactly resembles the method of the Fosterphiles on the right.

[bpilgrim]

35. 'At least try to make sense with your "theories."'

anyways, i have experienced PLENTY of hostility when discussing the HUGE conspiracy of 911 here on DU and wanna nip it in the bud.

when contributing to the community it is tiring to get labeled as a crazy, time after time.

anyone who has been following the neoCONs KNOWS their whole philosophy of GOV is a conspiracy of grand proportions so please, don't lump us ALL in with the VF gang.

tia :toast:

peace

[BurtWorm]

36. Maybe you're betraying a tendency to read too much into things?

;) I swear I'm not calling you or any theorist crazy. I am only commenting on the need to be cautious about the evidence, to be as faithful as possible to the truth. Is there something wrong about this advice?

[bpilgrim]

39. maybe

but as i said initially, here on DU we have high standards in regards to backing up any assertions with links to FACTS.

which is why DU and it's paper trail is so POPULAR with news & political junkies :bounce:

Maybe you're betraying a tendency to read too much into things? ;-)

anyways, nutt'n wrong with that advice :hi:

peace

[LaurenG]

23. I think it odd

that so many people take this topic so seriously. Conspiracy "theory", not fact theory. Something to ponder to prove or disprove according to your own intellectual and or abstract thought processes. Anything is possible, I've seen things in my day that no one would believe so I feel sure that anything is possible, including a theory thats just a pack of lies. Still fun to ponder though. Thanks for the topic.

[mopaul]

25. a pack of lies

defines the bush years

[postulater]

26. What have you seen that no one would believe?

I might just believe it.

[LaurenG]

27. Ghosts and astral something or others

One of these apparitions turned on the water faucet in the kitchen and then broke the little plastic top on the faucet while my husband and I were standing there watching it all happen. Woke up one night and a man was standing over my bed, problem is I could see straight through him, scared me alot. I had an experience once with a healer where my arms flung out to my sides and I couldn't move for several minutes, very powerful but not scary.

Then too

I went to high school with a guy who invented a carburetor that got 70 miles to a gallon, he proved it with the local journalists and professors along for the ride. (he boiled the fuel and ran the car on the fumes). He sold the patent and promptly died. This by the way in the 70's and in Texas. I could go on but can't prove a thing I just know stuff happens.

[dogday]

32. Those who call us Nutjob Liberals will one day see for themselves

and then they will say, I wished I had listen to those nutjobs. Don't look now the sky is falling, the sky is falling.....

[Theres-a]

34. I got to thinking this morning

About what Ritter and Hersch said about Iran and June,about the draft being ready to go ,and about the memo and how they need a distraction and,well,I'm just very nervous at this point in time that the whole things gonna blow.:tinfoilhat:

[porphyrian]

37. If you aren't paranoid, you aren't really aware of what's going on. -n/t