Buchanan, Limbaugh, Stein blamed those who "brought down" Nixon for fall o

[RedEarth]

Buchanan, Limbaugh, Stein blamed those who "brought down" Nixon for fall of Vietnam, Cambodian genocide

MSNBC analyst Pat Buchanan, nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh, and conservative author and TV personality Ben Stein suggested that, through their role in exposing the Watergate scandal, which resulted in the resignation of President Richard Nixon, newly disclosed "Deep Throat" W. Mark Felt and Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein were responsible for the fall of South Vietnam and the genocide in Cambodia that left approximately 1.7 million people dead.


BUCHANAN: There's something deadly serious here. People that brought down Nixon also resulted in the fall of South Vietnam, the death of hundreds of thousands of people. ... Nixon was brought down by people who were a hell of a lot worse than he was.


LIMBAUGH: Had they not brought down Nixon, we wouldn't have lost Vietnam. Had not brought down Nixon, the Khmer Rouge would not have come to power and murdered two million people in a full-fledged genocide.


STEIN: When his enemies brought him down, and they had been laying for him since he proved that Alger Hiss was a traitor, since Alger Hiss was their fair-haired boy, this is what they bought for themselves in the Kharma Supermarket that is life:
1.) The defeat of the South Vietnamese government with decades of death and hardship for the people of Vietnam.

2.) The assumption of power in Cambodia by the bloodiest government of all time, the Khmer Rouge, who killed a third of their own people, often by making children beat their own parents to death. No one doubts RN would never have let this happen.

http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200506020001

[meegbear]

1. Good thing we don't have a Deep Throat today ...

else * might lose Iraq.

[Inland]

16. It's a real life laboratory. Now the press is cowed

and we can see if we get out of the quagmire any better.

[bryant69]

2. People who claim we could have won vietnam

Are full of shit up to their eyeballs.

For one thing they have no idea what winning in viatnam means.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Cha]

33. My sense is they're just

blowing rancid hot air to deflect the glory of Deep Throat and what he did for our Country..and maybe discourage a 21st Century deepcover whistle blower.

When the huge amount of people stop listening to the hate monger limbaugh and his filty ilk..we will be a Nation on the mend.

[Horse with no Name]

3. Oh Lordy

Talking points memo out again with revisionist history?


Edited to add:
I think the people that are spewing this garbage should be brought up on treason charges. There are some sheeple who believe every word these charletons say and their warped view can be dangerous to our society.

[RedEarth]

8. Yep.....that's exactly what I was thinking.."revisionist"....

...I'm so sick of Limbaugh and the rest of hate radio....it absolutely amazes me how many people believe their crap.

[chelsea0011]

4. as Col. Kilgore says..."don't these fuc**ng people ever give up?"

I am ammused at the Felt bashers out there the past two days...all Nixon hangerons. Colson,Buchanan,Liddy..they all make your skin crawl. Vietnam is over, Nixon is over, Watergate is over! And thank goodness Felt helped end it.

[havocmom]

11. Nixon bots, many of whom are now fucking the nation, mistake loyalty

to a mob of thugs for patriotism.

Felt must have decided along the line that an oath to serve the nation AND CONSTITUTION was more important to any particular group of individuals currently occupying the seat of power.

Gee, doing what is required by one's sworn oath to the nation or breaking laws and covering it all up to save their own asses... hmmm, who are the real patriots?

We have got to take the flag back from these crooks. It is way past time for them to stop hiding behind it.

It is way past time for allowing chicken hawks to dare kick dirt at others and make grand statements about war. Nixon would not have won in Viet Nam without nuking the whole place. There is no other way to win that kind of war if the locals won't give up. Wish Cheney & Runsfeld had learned that lesson way back when.

They must be done with the canonization of Ronnie, cuz now they are working on Tricky Dick's image. They work so hard to attempt honor and luster by association. They always were and always will be Crooks and Goons.

[truth_is_extreme]

5. Nixon was a cancer

and so are his followers. But what makes me very sad is that we've had several Deep Throats in the Bush Administration and even they weren't able to bring it down.

[newyawker99]

22. Hi truth_is_extreme!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Itchinjim]

6. Buchanan, Limbaugh, Stein,

Chicken hawks all three. If they were so concerned about winning the war, maybe they should have done some of the fighting. Cowardly pieces of shit.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

7. The U.S. would have had to have wiped-out the Vietnamese population

in order to win. It was an unwinnable war for the U.S.

Bucahanan is well-known for being a Holocaust revisionist and Limbaugh is perpetually high as a kite. I'm not going to listen to historical 'what ifs' from these clowns.

[Eagle_Eye]

9. It is easy for the bankrupt right wing to draw conclusions

that are to the sole benefit of the conservatives from a situation that is unknowable and un-measurable. We can just as quick say the country would be much better off if Mr. Gore was president instead of the unelected buffoon we have now.
I don't know about others, but when people like buchanan and limbaugh say we would have won vietnam if nixon stayed in office, my bullshit meter goes past the top peg.

[CornField]

10. And if JFK wasn't murdered, thousands would still be alive

Both Vietnamese and American.

If the Christian Fundamentalists hadn't wasted so much time and energy on convincing people that sex is unnatural and icky, we might have been able to reduce the number of abortions to historical lows.

If American congregations really gave 10% of their income to their churches and if American churches really used that money to benefit their communities, no one in America would ever go to bed hungry.

Come on... "What if" games are fun. The real beauty is that you can say anything you'd like because no one can disprove your assumptions!

[KharmaTrain]

12. Classic Pitchfork Pat...

There's a major pole up this dude's butt when it comes to Watergate. He's said some of his wackiest stuff when it comes to this...and specifically the motives behind why Nixon was ousted.

What these goons fail to realize is this case was litigated based on facts and evidence, those who were found guilty (most pleaded guilty) were found guilty of violating federal laws that are far more severe than the ones they sure tried to wrap around Clinton's neck and there's a mountain of tapes and other evidence that showed the criminality in this entire enterprise.

Buchanan called Woodward nothing more than a "script boy" between the FBI and the WAPO. That this wasn't "investigative journalism". Sheesh. Pat...take a Xanax!

Of course this prattle is just to sooth the hypocritically challenged who live on every word all these hate mongers spew. Would you expect a Rushbo to say Felt was a hero in the same manner as a Linda Tripp? Surely that would require more Oxy-Contin than currently on the streets of Palm Beach.

[jimshoes]

13. People that propped up chimpy

and are propping him up still are responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths. But that's OK cuz they're repukes and it's OK for repukes to institute genocide as national policy.

[smoogatz]

14. We killed 3,000,000 people in SE Asia

How many more should we have killed to prop up our puppet government in South Vietnam? The cadre of criminals, chickenhawks and psychopaths who enabled Nixon still insist on portraying Vietnam as an epic battle between good and evil--for the people of Vietnam, the Big Evil was western colonialism and occupation by foreign armies.

Besides, I thought Walter Cronkite was responsible for losing the Vietnam war. Why can't these asshats get their story straight?

[OilemFirchen]

15. Changing the rules again?

I thought that wingut philosophy was pretty binary about this: The ones responsible are the ones who commit the crime.

Ya know, the only one to be blamed for a murder is the murderer himself. Not his abusive father, not a racist society, not a war on some drugs...

Same with Islamic terrorists. No one is culpable except the terrorists themselves. Not imperialistic western governments, nor military bases in the M.E., nor festering anti-Muslimism.

But now it's one man responsible for the fall of South Vietnam, instead of the evil commies.

Huh.

So, had the wingnutz not brought down Al Gore (nor stolen the election from him) the World Trade Center would still be standing. There would be no "war" in Iraq, or Afghanistan.

Right?

[tsuki]

17. Pat Buchanan is an braying ass. If we couldn't win the war in the

14 years that we were over there, it could not be won.

[triguy46]

20. Gee, we were so close to victory

We were just so close, if only the insigtful, effective, clear thinking nixon could have stayed a little longer! He was really a great president, just those radical pinkos brought him down, using the leftie press as a tool.

[triguy46]

18. Nixon as victim

And fuel for the repugs to further limit speech. The media is frozen in fear and so embrace the rantings of the deranged and drug addicted.

[aden_nak]

19. If it was that important, Nixon shouldn't have broken the law. /pwned!

[Cha]

35. Yeah, if nixon was such

hot shit..he shouldn't have been such a dirty bastard.

Take note bush..never mind it's too late..waiting for your resignation.

[dogday]

21. He was involved in illegal activities, more than what he was caught on

but enough to back him into a corner. I cannot believe those aholes would think illegal is ok? Moral not okay, but illegal is ok....

[Norquist Nemesis]

23. And the facts are

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/watergate/chronology.htm
Watergate Chronology

and an even better one

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/timeline/tl3.html#a

1972
Nixon Cuts Troop Levels by 70,000
Responding to charges by Democratic presidential candidates that he is not moving fast enough to end U.S. involvement in Vietnam, President Nixon orders troop strength reduced by seventy thousand.

Secret Peace Talks Revealed

B-52s Bomb Hanoi and Haiphong
In an attempt to force North Vietnam to make concessions in the ongoing peace talks, the Nixon administration orders the heavy bombing of supply dumps and petroleum storage sites in and around Hanoi and Haiphong. The administration makes it clear to the North Vietnamese that no section of Vietnam is off-limits to bombing raids.

Break-In at Watergate Hotel

Kissinger Says "Peace Is At Hand"
Henry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho reach agreement in principle on several key measures leading to a cease-fire in Vietnam. Kissinger's view that "peace is at hand" is dimmed somewhat by South Vietnamese president Nguyen Van Thieu's opposition to the agreement. <sounds familiar>

President Nixon Wins Reelection

1973
Cease-fire Signed in Paris
A cease-fire agreement that, in the words of Richard Nixon, "brings peace with honor in Vietnam and Southeast Asia," is signed in Paris by Henry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho. The agreement is to go into effect on January 28.

End of Military Draft Announced

Last American Troops Leave Vietnam


Hearings on Secret Bombings Begin
The Senate Armed Services Committee opens hearing on the U.S. bombing of Cambodia. Allegations are made that the Nixon administration allowed bombing raids to be carried out during what was supposed to be a time when Cambodia's neutrality was officially recognized. As a result of the hearings, Congress orders that all bombing in Cambodia cease effective at midnight, August 14.

Kissinger and Le Duc Tho Win Peace Prize
The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to Henry Kissinger of the United States and Le Duc Tho of North Vietnam. Kissinger accepts the award, while Tho declines, saying that a true peace does not yet exist in Vietnam.

1974
Thieu Announces Renewal of War

Report Cites Damage to Vietnam Ecology
According to a report issued by the National Academy of Science, use of chemical herbicides during the war has caused long-term damage to the ecology of Vietnam. Subsequent inquiries will focus on the connection between certain herbicides, particularly Agent Orange, and widespread reports of cancer, skin disease, and other disorders in individuals exposed to them.

Communists Take Mekong Delta Territory

Nixon Impeachment Hearings Begin
In May, the House Judiciary Committee begins impeachment hearings against President Richard Nixon. Among the articles of impeachment is a resolution condemning Nixon for the secret bombing of Cambodia.

Nixon Resigns

Well, there's the facts Pat, Rush, et al. More faulty logic, but typical for these guys. The problem is, most people won't bother to look up the facts. They'll simply accept it on faith.

BTW, I've been wondering why a speech writer was elevated to such inner-circle status as Buchanan's appearances seem to suggest. And wasn't he the one who wanted to destroy evidence on the White House lawn?

[RedEarth]

41. Thanks for posting the WP & PBS links....sort of shoots a hole the lies

the radical right is spewing now.......all they do is lie and twist the facts...

[AntiCoup2K4]

24. Why are they asking Pat Buchanan, Ben Stein, or Gordon Liddy about this??

They were Nixon employees! Liddy went to prison, so ya think his feelings on "Deep Throat" might be a little "biased"?

I suppose Pat Robertson will interview Chuck Colson on the subject on the 700 Club next?

[warrens]

25. Oh, yeah, we were WINNING until Ford took over

LYING STUPID MOTHERFUCKING IDIOTS.

[Javaman]

26. Wow, what a titanic load of bullshit...

First, it was us, the U.S. that destroyed Viet Nam. It was us that denied Minh an audience when he wanted to explore democracy. It was us that killed and murdered 2 million Vietnamese. Spin it anyway they want but the Vietnamese didn't want us there.

Second, it was us that supported and supplied the Khmer Rouge. If we had stayed in Viet Nam, Pol Pot in Cambodia would have gone on his murderous rampage without as much as a blip in the radar. It was us pulling out of Viet Nam that allowed the Vietnamese to later go into Cambodia and help oust the KR.

Bottom line is this: if Eisenhower hadn't bent to the will of DeGalle, we wouldn't have gotten involved in Viet Nam to begin with.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

27. A whiskey soaked thug, an Oxycontin addict and

The guy who said 'Bueller...Bueller'

Golly. What an array of giants.

[BiggJawn]

28. Viet Nam was lost BEFORE Nixon came to power.

Who they trying to kid? Oh, that's right, the Murkan Sheeple, I forgot...

We were in Deep Fucking Shit over there BEFORE LBJ decided not to run for election.

These Chickenhawk asswipes probably have some interesting theories on the route at Dunkirk, too....

and while we're on the subject of "losing" Viet Nam, does ANYONE see the parallels between Rumsferatu and Shrubbya's "Greater White Hope" of an "Iraqi Defense Force" and a little failed experiment called the "Army of the Republic of Viet Nam" (ARVN)?

[smoogatz]

32. Good call.

It's an important lesson in revisionist history. Only the most delusional of radical right wingnuts--unfortunately the cabal currently in power--still think you can win the hearts and minds of an occupied people by killing them in large numbers. The parallels are there. Iraq really is the new Vietnam.

[Gothmog]

29. The timeline is helpful

I am looking for a better response to some freepers who are claiming that Felt is responsible for Cambodia and the fall of South Vietnam.

[fishnfla]

30. Kissinger had his head handed to him at the Paris accords

is why RN lost VN. That and it was a total cluster fuck from 1964 on....

[Daphne08]

31. Only the uneducated will buy this tripe.

Those of us who are old enough know the truth.

[bpilgrim]

34. our heavy hitters need to stand up STRONG to this NONSENSE

man i wish i had the gloves on, i would be loving this huge OPPORTUNITY to expose the NIXON whores of past and PRESENT :evilgrin:

peace

[leesa]

36. Well, that's rather specious logic!

[yella_dawg]

37. Wacko Conspiracy Theory!!!

Shout it out across the land. Wacko conspiracy theory. Tin-Hat time!

Like I said in another thread, This one is as big as MIHOP in scope. All of congress would have been "in the know"!

[onager]

38. Love that description of Ben Whine...

...conservative author and TV personality Ben Stein...

They left out "Nixon speechwriter."

And how did this untalented lump of right-wing dogcrap get to Hollywood in the first place? He came out here to work for noted right-wing conservative Norman Lear.

Li'l Benny usually leaves that bit out of his self-aggrandizing bios. You'd think he was ashamed of it or something.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

39. They forgot the contribution of the Vietnamese people and the NVA.

As I recall, they contributed a bit to beating the hell out of the "worlds #1 superpower".

[Toots]

40. No one doubts RN would never have let this happen

Sounds like they have a deep hatred for Gerald Ford.