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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 12:54 PM
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Puke Alert - Peggy Noonan blames Felt for taking down Serious Prez
http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110006763

Some wounds don't fully heal because they're too deep and cut too close to the bone. The story that Deep Throat was Mark Felt has torn open old wounds. Pat Buchanan, Robert Novak and Chuck Colson--all at the top of their game 30 years ago, all very much in the game today--were passionate in their criticism, saying Mr. Felt has little to be proud of, was unprofessional, harmed his country. Ben Stein was blunt: Mr. Felt "broke the law, broke his oath, and broke his code of ethics." Old Watergate hand Richard Ben-Veniste and the Washington Post's Richard Cohen called Mr. Felt a hero. The old battle lines fall into place. As to the higher themes of the story, some were credulous. On the "Today" show yesterday Chris Matthews called those who have criticized Mr. Felt "hacks and flacks," whereas reporters "are looking for the truth" and can be trusted. Glad he cleared that up.

Was Mr. Felt a hero? No one wants to be hard on an ailing 91-year-old man. Mr. Felt no doubt operated in some perceived jeopardy and judged himself brave. He had every right to disapprove of and wish to stop what he saw as new moves to politicize the FBI. But a hero would have come forward, resigned his position, declared his reasons, and exposed himself to public scrutiny. He would have taken the blows and the kudos. (Knowing both Nixon and the media, there would have been plenty of both.) Heroes pay the price. Mr. Felt simply leaked information gained from his position in government to damage those who were doing what he didn't want done. Then he retired with a government pension. This does not appear to have been heroism, and he appears to have known it. Thus, perhaps, the great silence.

His motives were apparently mixed, as motives often are. He was passed over to replace J. Edgar Hoover as director of the FBI by President Nixon, who apparently wanted in that place not a Hoover man but a more malleable appointee. Mr. Felt was resentful. He believed Nixon meant to jeopardize the agency's independence. Here we have a hitch in the story. The liberal story line on the FBI was that under Hoover it had too much independence, which Hoover protected with his famous secret files and a reputation for ruthlessness. Mr. Felt was a Hoover man who joined the FBI in 1942, when it was young; he rose under Hoover and never knew another director. When Hooverism was threatened, Mr. Felt moved. In this sense Richard Nixon was J. Edgar Hoover's last victim. History is an irony factory.

Even if Mr. Felt had mixed motives, even if he did not choose the most courageous path in attempting to spread what he thought was the truth, his actions might be judged by their fruits. The Washington Post said yesterday that Mr. Felt's information allowed them to continue their probe. That probe brought down a president. Ben Stein is angry but not incorrect: What Mr. Felt helped produce was a weakened president who was a serious president at a serious time. Nixon's ruin led to a cascade of catastrophic events--the crude and humiliating abandonment of Vietnam and the Vietnamese, the rise of a monster named Pol Pot, and millions--millions--killed in his genocide. America lost confidence; the Soviet Union gained brazenness. What a terrible time. Is it terrible when an American president lies and surrounds himself by dirty tricksters? Yes, it is. How about the butchering of children in the South China Sea. Is that worse? Yes. Infinitely, unforgettably and forever.

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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 12:56 PM
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1. You could also argue that without the fall of Nixon
there would have been no Reagan.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 12:58 PM
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:01 PM
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4. LOLOLOL
Oh, man. I'm laughing at the silliest shit today.
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:00 PM
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3. Truly nauseating.
Nooners has done some despicable whoring in her day, but this really takes the cake. Just an astounding level of hypocrisy. She bloviates constantly about moral values and character, yet blithely passes over Nixon's crimes as trivial, because he was a "serious" man. Geez. Really tells you a lot about her mind set.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:03 PM
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5. Lest we forget, Nixon was a mean MoFo who never gave his opponents
any quarters;he was a vicious human being who revelled in sheeding other peopl's blood.He prolonged the Vietnam War so he could project his tough guy image and in the process killed many soldiers on both sides and millions of civilians.He was relentlessly murderous, unethical and a lying, conniving thief.Guess what, I have just described his clone, George.W.Bush!
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:03 PM
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6. sweetie
if you had a problem with someone getting a blowjob in the oval office you don't get to piss and moan about Tricky Dick.

Ding, your time is up.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:07 PM
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24. Righty-o!
Clinton was not only "serious"..he was brilliant!
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:05 PM
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7. Peggy, stupid... the US looked the other way when Pol Pot killed millions
(And I think "millions" is an exaggeration, but who's counting?)

And America butchered children of its own in the region of the South China Sea under Nixon, Peggy stupid.

And by the way, Nixon was not just an asshole, he was a crook. Blame Nixon for all you're blaming Felt for.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:06 PM
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8. Yeah, he broke his oath and his ethics
But who went to jail for breaking the law?

You know, I wish these bitter old neverweres would just . . .

GET OVER IT!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:10 PM
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9. Nixon was never a serious president, he was a sociopath
....paranoid maniac and I believe that the portrayal in Oliver Stone's movie "Nixon" Anthony Hopkins of the man Nixon was dead on the money. Peggy Noonan is just plain full of shit!

I have not seen "The Assassination of Richard Nixon", but have read the summary following about it: "...that it is a smart and creative character examination that takes on a life of its own in today's time. Although it was announced years before 9/11, its relevance can't be ignored. We were all touched by the horrific tragedies in New York and Washington D.C., making it nearly impossible not to connect with a character that is as American as you and me."

True or false? Is it worth getting?
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:10 PM
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10. I think it was John Dean that said Nixon was on his way to a dictatorship
but was stopped by Watergate. Sound familiar? Said he was a very evil man.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:09 PM
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26. little piggy noonies
has no problem with dic-tators!
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:24 PM
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11. Her ignorance of the Vietnam incidents is GALLING.
Uh, what about the admin's secret carpet-bombing of Cambodia???
And Kissinger's secret, ILLEGAL and TREASONOUS deals made without the knowledge of the US Congress?

The Nixon Admin is precisely the # 1 reason Pol Pot rose to power!

She sounds like one of those delusional ones who think something wonderful, good and noble was going on in Vietnam and Cambodia and we would only have made it a magical place if we would have stayed there under a heroic Nixon.

She is a fucking moron.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:09 PM
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25. oh, it's not just ignorance, it's willful ignorance.
It's one thing not to know the truth. It's another thing to put your fingers in your ears and hum read loud so you won't be contaminated by reality.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:10 PM
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27. Precisely!
piggy probably thinks all's glowingly well in Iraq, too.
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Ruffhowse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:29 PM
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12. Hey Peggy, you idiot.....
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 01:30 PM by Ruffhowse
Is it terrible when an American president lies and surrounds himself by dirty tricksters? Yes, it is. How about the butchering of children in the South China Sea. Is that worse? Yes. Infinitely, unforgettably and forever.

Couldn't you say the same thing now about Chimpy and his exploits in Iraq and Afghanistan? Except he's fully and totally responsible for both.
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:50 PM
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18. Exactly
A liberal columnist could just as easily write: Is it terrible when an American president lies about sex? Yes, it is. How about the butchering of thousands of women and children in the Middle East. Is that worse? Yes. Infinitely, unforgettably and forever.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:30 PM
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13. Until last week, the repubs believed we won the Vietnam conflict,
now that Felt has been revealed - he caused us to lose the war.

The ability to start every day with a clean slate is an amazing feat for these idiots.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:13 PM
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28. Oh, man..that is so true..
I remember reading shyte like that on DU..how they say "we won, we won, we won"..

Just more of their vile hypocrisy and lies for the sake of greed addiction.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:32 PM
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34. I heard when we first when into Iraq and won the war in 3 weeks that
the repubs said * is so good he could have won Vietnam too. And all I've heard about Iraq is we don't want to run away like we did in Vietnam.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:38 PM
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14. Typical TWISTED filthy scumbag Repuke ethics
.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:19 PM
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31. The word that came to my mind were exactly:
They are a bagshit of criminals. Appeasers, and appolgists who fit morality to their worldview.

Every last one of them. The endlessly appologize for their own. Endlessly. There is no wrong that their side can do. My God, these people are sociapaths in the guise of normalcy.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:42 PM
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15. Is this the source of their psychosis...ruminating on this for over
30 years? These people make no sense whatsoever!
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:46 PM
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16. Drunk again
huh Peggy? You've really got to do something about this problem, dear.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:46 PM
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17. She's trying to blame Nixon's incompetence on Felt?
It's never their fault, is it?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 01:56 PM
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19. Hey! That's what the Reeps did to Clinton. She's wacked.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:01 PM
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20. This Raygun's-Foot-Sniffer?
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:01 PM
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21. By this logic, the repugs should never have impeached Clinton, since he
was facing the evil terrorist threat that exploded on 9/11.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:04 PM
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22. "Her Dizzyness" clings to the past just like any old uncaring fool. She
has always been oblivious to what's happening in the world of real people.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:05 PM
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23. 'Scuse Me. Didn't These Folks Call Linda Tripp A Hero?
You know, about 15 minutes ago.

Of course, Tripp didn't put HER reputation and career on the line. She put Lewinsky's career and reputation on the line. And, when she did her "bird dogging" and "whistleblowing" nobody had committed any crimes yet.

But, Felt was turning the tables on people WHO ALREADY COMMITTED CRIMES! And, it was HIS ass on the line by doing it.

Yet, Tripp is a hero and this guy is a criminal? How stupid can one get?
The Professor
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:15 PM
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29. Another Excellent point from
DUers!

:yourock: All Ya'll
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:16 PM
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30. Peggy Noonan? Gag me
Ya know what Peggy?

Richard Nixon WAS a crook

Pick up a copy of the Constitution sometime why don'tcha?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:28 PM
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32. I congratulate Felts for taking down a CRIMINAL PRESIDENT
As I would congratulate anyone taking down our current criminal.
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:37 PM
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33. The claim that Nixon would have prevented fall of South Vietnam is sick
There is no way that Nixon could have stopped the fall of South Vietnam. He has started pulling troops out of Vietnam before the Watergate break-in and the peace treaty was negotiated prior to the investigation was really active. Here is a good time line. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/timeline/tl3.html#a The only thing that Nixon could have done is send troops back into Vietnam and into Cambodia and that was never going to happen.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 06:07 PM
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35. I love it how she starts out with " the legend of dt". As if we were all
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 06:09 PM by applegrove
just a bunch of babies too stupid to really understand what happened there - and so we had to drink a parable.

I'm sorry. I was about 8 at the time. And I understood perfectly well that it was about a bad man getting power and his underlings breaking into some office and being robbers. And that the leader of a country should never hide/help robbers. And that he did. So he had to get on the whirly-bird and go away from his job.

It was obvious to me as a child that Nixon got what he deserved. And it was a great embarrassment. But that the rules applied to everyone. No robbers. They were always bad. The president couldn't be on the side of robbers.

It didn't matter what else you did. If you help robbers. You go to jail or you loose your job.

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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 06:09 PM
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36. OMG... Pat B said this last night, Rush L this afternoon...
What are the talking points ready this fast?
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