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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:55 PM
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Hart Senate Office Building/Anthrax was Bush's Watergate break-in
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 04:05 PM by Atman
I was just watching the brief re-cap of "what happened" at Watergate that Begala did on Crossfire. The break in to search through democrats secrets files? Run by the CIA.

I've been saying this since the anthrax "attack" on the Hart Senate Office Building...it was only dems. The suddenness of the "attack" meant everyone had to run, run, run like the wind, and leave everything behind, inaccessible to ANYONE accept Bush's boys in white clean suits. They had six weeks of unfettered access to all the computers and files in the DEMOCRATIC office building. Afterwards, virtually every dem, beginning with Tom Daschle, developed a spine of Jello.

I am as convinced as can be that the Hart anthrax attack was totally staged to afford BushCo access to its "enemy's" inside info. They learned a lot under Nixon...break-ins are too messy.

:tinfoilhat:

Now, where's the one guy in one of those clean suits who will be our "Deep Throat?"
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:57 PM
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1. wow
diabolical. no doubt true
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:58 PM
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3. I hate how it makes me feel.
But after everything else that has transpired it certainly seems well within the realm of possibility.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:00 PM
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5. i did not even blink at the idea. it makes sense
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:57 PM
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2. Ooooh , You're GOOOD!!! n/t
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 03:59 PM
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4. That's a very interesing notion...
You may very well have something there.

How does one prove it?
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1956 Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:03 PM
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6. Not only is it interesting
It needs to be brought up to someone important. God, the list really does go on and on, of Bush's lies and corruptions!! Hey, Maybe Kerry's team would like to investigate it further!!!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:11 PM
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7. I agree. And, proof is that they can't find this person who even left a
note, plus it was trased to a PO box in New Jersey. The Post Office in NJ just reopened LAST MONTH! How many years now? hmmm.

Plus, what's worse I think the Senators know that...and I guess there's nothing they can do about it. Who was prosecuted when the Repugs stole files of the "shared computer" the Senate used with the Repugs. And, why should the Repugs have to share a "Computer" in the first place. It's not like they couldn't get one donated...if they felt they couldn't afford one. :shrug:

It was CIA or FBI...no doubt. Story is dead...no one talks about it and even does a followup. And, they all know. Which makes it worse. :scared:
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:12 PM
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8. Oh my God! That is scary!
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 11:59 PM
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33. Bear in mind the timing. And the dots, folks.
Anthrax attacks weren't long after 9-11.

And, somehow, the administration "managed" to put together a 300-page piece of legislation, the USA Patriot Act, while Congress was scurrying around out of its offices, trying to do business out of the car trunks. It was during and shortly after this anthrax scare that the Patriot Act passed. Congressmembers later admitted that almost no one had read it.

Also bear in mind the risk factor for Democratic Senators.

Over the past 4 years, there have been roughly 50 Democratic Senators at a given time.

One of the most liberal, Paul Wellstone, was in a tight race to keep his seat. When the polls starting showing him pulling ahead, his plane crashed shortly before the election.

A former governor involved in a close Senate race two years before had taken a lead. Again, shortly before the election, there was a plane crash. Mel Carnahan died.

Then, after 9-11, two top Senate leadership positions get anthrax letters -- Majority Leader Daschle and Judiciary Chair Leahy.

So, 2 dead. 2 threatened. Out of only about 50. Four of 50 Democratic Senate seats.

Then, you add the DC sniper that was running around willy nilly at the time Congress was considering the Iraq war -- you don't think that made them nervous? I do.

Story that you probably missed:

U.S. senators warned of al Qaeda snipers on golf courses

Friday, October 18, 2002 Posted: 9:19 PM EDT


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. senators were warned earlier this week that those who play golf may be targets of al Qaeda snipers on golf courses and were given tips on how to protect themselves, a U.S. Capitol Police spokeswoman said.

Police were notified about the potential threat to senators, said Marcia Krug, a Capitol Police spokeswoman. She would not say which agency notified the Capitol Police or when exactly they were told. But she said her department, in turn, notified the sergeant-at-arms, who then notified the senators that al Qaeda snipers might be looming near golf courses, ready to pick them off. The sergeant-at-arms, who is in charge of lawmakers' security, did suggest precautions the senators should take, Krug said. She would not elaborate.

The threat information was passed as a sniper, who has killed nine people and wounded two others in the Washington area, remains at large. Authorities investigating that case have said there is no evidence suggesting that a sniper working for a terrorist group is behind the shootings. Meanwhile, FBI agents have been questioning an al Qaeda suspect being held in Belgium who bragged to his interrogators that he had witnessed al Qaeda training for snipers, European intelligence sources said Friday. The FBI, one of many agencies involved in the Washington-area sniper shooting investigation, refused to confirm or deny it had sent agents to Brussels. MORE
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:18 PM
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9. Anthrax and the Agency - Thinking the Unthinkable
April 8, 2002

By Wayne Madsen

Now that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has officially put the anthrax investigation on a back burner, it is time for Americans to think the unthinkable: that the FBI has never been keen to identify the perpetrator because that perpetrator may, in fact, be the U.S. Government itself. Evidence is mounting that the source of the anthrax was a top secret U.S. Army laboratory in Maryland and that the perpetrators involve high-level officials in the U.S. military and intelligence infrastructure.

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsenanthrax.html
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:21 PM
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20. unbeeeelievable
oh wait this is the republicans....you better believe it.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:20 PM
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10. Ding, ding, ding! We may have a winner here.
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 04:37 PM by CottonBear
They only attacked the Democrats and the media (including the National Enquirer or was it the Sun or some other tabloid - anyhoo - which had published an unflattering picture of Jenna Bush drunk off her ass.)

Vanity Fair ran an investigative article about scientist Steven Hatfill (sp.?) which linked him to the anthrax plot. I don't know if they A.) framed Hatfill, B.) blackmailed/setup Hatfill or C.) Hatfill cooperated willingly.

In the article an English professor linked writing style and place names (this in regards to the evelope addresses) to Hatfill's writing style and to places that he had lived or worked or gone to school (in South Africa).
:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:27 PM
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11. Were there not several other events...
regarding white powder envelopes that turned out to be bogus? Still, the offices had to be evacuated. Smell like a Rove Op to me.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:40 PM
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15. I think that there were.
Amazingly, most of the sheeple seemed totally unconcerned, at least in my neck of the woods. I've NEVER heard any local Republican discuss the topic EVER.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:55 PM
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22. What do people think about the Zack character?
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 05:56 PM by bloom
Or is it hopeless to speculate without someone who can seriously investigate?

"The Hartford Courant has been the only paper to have covered this story in detail. They reported that “(Philip)Zack left Fort Detrick in December 1991, after a controversy over allegations of unprofessional behavior….” The paper later reported Dr. Zack was observed entering the lab after hours on January 23, 1992. A surveillance camera recorded Dr. Marian Rippy, one of the “Camel Club” members, letting Dr. Zack inside the building.<snip>

Dr. Zack is said to be Jewish, and for some this makes him the leading anthrax suspect, particularly among those in Internet discussion groups. They see the harassment of Dr. Assaad, the late night research on anthrax, and the accusatory letter all pointing in Dr. Zack’s direction."

http://www.anthraxattacks.net/the-anthrax-mystery-solved.htm

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(Hartford Courant, 12/9/01) Zack seems a very likely suspect, but has not been arrested (and wasn't even questioned for months after the attacks).

http://independence.net/microbiologists/home.htm
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 09:51 PM
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30. About those place names
That's the kind of thing that clever operatives probably take delight in setting up to ensnare the target.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:31 PM
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12. This would help to explain why no "anthrax terrorist" has been apprehended
Why the search seemed to just deadend...

Afterwards, virtually every dem, beginning with Tom Daschle, developed a spine of Jello...

Are you saying that certain information was found that was used for blackmailing purposes?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 08:41 PM
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25. Forget blackmail! w's messages to Dems: "Cave or we'll kill all of you!"
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:31 PM
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13. Whose pictures did tabloid "The Sun" have? Barb's and Jenna's?
On Sept. 30, Bob Stevens, a photo editor at supermarket tabloid The Sun in Boca Raton, Fla., started to feel ill. The next day, Ernesto Blanco, mail-room employee at American Media Inc., publisher of The Sun, was admitted to a hospital with heart problems. Stevens died on Oct. 5 from inhaled anthrax. Ernesto Blanco was released from the hospital on Oct. 23.

http://www.cyberjournalist.net/features/anthrax.htm


This is so totally Bu$hco. No doubt in my mind. It was a Bu$hco-Rovian warning shot across the bow. Fuckers. Then the US Government decontaminated the tabloid's building using Rudy Guiliani's firm BioOne. I think Giuliani then bought the building for pennies on the dollar.



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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:51 PM
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16. Are you serious?
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 04:51 PM by Atman
Then the US Government decontaminated the tabloid's building using Rudy Guiliani's firm BioOne. I think Giuliani then bought the building for pennies on the dollar.


Really? I hadn't heard this. If Guliani's firm was involved in the clean-up, it only reinforces my belief that the Hart break in was all about gathering info, strategies, records -- anything which could be used to bring down the dems. I'm more convinced of it than ever!
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satireV Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:58 PM
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17. The FBI did even more to hinder the investigation
The anthrax was determined, through DNA testing, to have come from the Ames lab in Iowa. The FBI went to the lab and destroyed all the anthrax there.

Destroying evidence is obstruction of justice.


:banghead:

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:07 PM
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19. A local FOB developer
bought the building plus 5 acres of prime real estate for $40,000. Rudy rents space in the building and also did the clean up job.

In the meantime, Rudy has gone from not being able to afford his own apartment in NYC to extremely rich. Bu$hco bought his soul and his silence.



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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:32 PM
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14. OMFG - I hadn't thought of this before but it makes a lot of sense
His 'boys' are very loyal though... I don't see anyone coming forward and fessing up.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:33 PM
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21. Or living if they did try to come forward n/t
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:01 PM
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18. Why did the White House go on Cipro Beginning September 11th?
Why did the White House go on Cipro Beginning September 11th?
Were they psychic, or did they know?


Nearly a month before the first reported outbreak, White House officials start taking the powerful antibiotic Cipro to treat anthrax. By the end of the year it will be known that the Ames strain of anthrax used in the attacks against Sens. Leahy and Daschle was produced by CIA programs coordinated through Fort Detrick, the Batelle Memorial Institute and the Dugway Proving Ground.

FBI & BUSH ADMINISTRATION SUED OVER ANTHRAX DOCUMENTS

Judicial Watch Wants to Know Why White House Went on Cipro Beginning September 11th

What Was Known and When?
(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, said today that it has filed lawsuits against the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), the Department of Health and Human Services (“HHS”), the Center for Disease Control (“CDC”), the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (“USAMRIID”) and the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) for those agencies’ failures to produce documents concerning the terrorist anthrax attacks of October 2001, under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (“FOIA”).

http://www.judicialwatch.org/1967.shtml

-------------
Complete 911 Timeline: Anthrax attacks and microbiologists
Project: Complete 911 Timeline
Open-Content project managed by Paul Thompson

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&theme=anthrax

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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 07:33 PM
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23. Oh, by jove I think you've got something there!
This is very worth looking into! Thanks for posting!!!
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 08:00 PM
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24. Most thought-provoking post I've ever seen on DU! Nominated for Greatest
page.

Does anyone have a link to any report on the decontamination of Hart?

How many people were involved in the cleanup? How long did they have sole access to the building? Was there a contract? What did the contract say about the privacy of documents the contractors might encounter?

What do affected Senators and staff have to say about how the anthrax scare affected them? Did anyone complain that their offices were trashed?

See also http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1813446&mesg_id=1814152&page= for speculation about what Daschle might have to say about anthrax.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 09:09 PM
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26. You might be on to something here.
:tinfoilhat:

with these crooks it's so hard to pick just one scandal and corrupt act and run with it. There are literally dozens of them. So many scandals, so little time.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 09:14 PM
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27. Makes Perfect Sense!
Bread crumbs about unauthorized access by Republican staffers here and there afterwards make perfect sense.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050601/the_key_to_impeachment.php
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 09:29 PM
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28. I'm glad I'm not alone.
:tinfoilhat:

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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 09:44 PM
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29. This could be a TEXAS-SIZED Watergate. 3 mos is time enough to
tempt someone unscrupulous to take a peek at documents that should have been kept private. It's also an interval long enough to give one of a large number of criminally-minded Leadership Institute types the chance to dream up a low-risk black-bag/white-suit operation.

Who had the run of Tom Daschle's offices and those of 49 other Senators for three full months, and how were they supervised? Some googling reveals that $4 million in cleanup contracts at the Hart Senate Office Building were awarded without competition, and that 50 Environmental Protection Agency staff were assigned to "monitor" the cleanup.

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1820923&mesg_id=1825466
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:40 AM
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38. Suspicious cleanup contracts, worth further investigation
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 08:42 AM by AirAmFan
An appendix in a 2003 Government Accountability Office report lists the contractors involved in the Hart building cleanup.

The contractual duties of several competitive award winners included removal of documents, off-site decontamination of documents, return of documents, and building security. Prior relationships between Bush Administration operatives and these contractors might have allowed for abusing the privacy of Democratic Senators and their staff.

But noncompetitive contracts for removal of documents for decontamination would provide maximal opportunities for partisan exploitation of reduced document security. From this point of view, one name stands out:

"Appendix I: Contract Tasks and Roles

Page 38 GAO-03-686 Capitol Hill Anthrax Incident

Noncompetitively awarded contracts

Contract: Kemron Environmental Services, Inc.

Purpose: Technical

Task/role performed: Perform air sampling and perform HEPA vacuuming services. Remove critical items and documents, ..."

See also http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1820923&mesg_id=1826020
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 09:17 AM
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39. Kemron was responsible for removing material from Daschle's office
suite at the Hart building, and developed procedures for doing so as they went along.

From http://www.kemron.com/Projects/anthrax_pd.html :

"Anthrax Decontamination, US Capitol Buildings

KEMRON completed remedial and removal actions during the decontamination program at the Hart, Longfellow and Ford US Senate and House office buildings... KEMRON... was on site within 24 hours.... Kemron,... operating 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for a period of 10 weeks, performed removal efforts, physical removal and disposal of expendable items...

Due to the inherent difficulty in performing anthrax removal and destruction, much of the site work operating procedures were developed at the job site in conjunction with the regulators... and in coordination with stakeholders. A true partnering relationship was established in order to move quickly...

Project Facts: ... Value $2.5 million...

Removal efforts were conducted systematically evacuating particles using HEPA vacuums from objects of value and physically removing all expendable items for off-site disposal.... KEMRON was charged with the decontamination of the two most highly contaminated areas in the Hart Building … Senator Daschle Suite and the nine-story HVAC system."

See also http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1820923&mesg_id=1826079
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 09:54 PM
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31. What shall we call this potential scandal? ANTHRAXGATE?
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 10:16 PM
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32. How about BushCo #287?
At least.
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 10:40 AM
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42. Or "Black-bag/white-suit-gate"
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 12:09 AM
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34. It served many purposes
(Check out the whole story at the link in my sig line......)

After 911, fear became the Administration's strategic tactic for reprogramming the public into accepting the PNAC's militaristic designs. Still shell-shocked and exhausted from the enormity of the WTC and Pentagon tragedies, the public's panic shifted into frenzied over-drive when anthrax-laced envelopes arrived in government and media offices, killing five people. A perpetrator was never identified but the investigation eventually centered around the Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, one of the nation's main anthrax research centers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,126244,00.html

Using classic "operant learning" techniques from the realm of consumer psychology, the public was purposely kept on High Alert and continually "shaped" with ominous sound bites on the nightly news and "Level Orange Terror Alerts" at regularly scheduled but discrete intervals.

http://www.consumerpsychologist.com/#Perception

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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:54 AM
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35. The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11
This link puts it all into perspective, is greatly done and worth spreading around even to the people that are sick of your emails!!


http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html


www.nobullshirt.com
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:58 AM
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36. Col. Mustard in the Hart Bldg. with the "anthrax" vials - Bingo!
Go to the head of the class, Atman. You definitely have a CLUE.

This is, unfortunately, Totally Plausible and Likely.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:01 AM
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37. i knew that's what it was the day that it happened
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 08:01 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 09:21 AM
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40. I suspect they were all also all bugged at the time...
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 09:44 AM
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41. This is why I log in to DU.
Kicked and Nominated
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 10:43 AM
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43. Long before I had suspicions about 911 I suspected that the anthrax
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 10:43 AM by undeterred
was an inside job. I mean, the central target was TOM DASCHLE.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:01 AM
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44. agreed and the Dems know it too.
That's just another reason they've been kissing his ass for all these years. Perhaps that info will come out during the IMPEACHMENT trial? :woohoo:
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:26 AM
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45. Bush* is searching as hard for the Anthrax terrorist as OJ is for the kill
I think they search on the same golf course. :shrug:
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 10:02 AM
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46. kick
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