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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:56 PM
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Huffington: Topic ONE for Democrats
Huffinton followed Chairman Dean at the Take Back America conference (check out C-Span2) ... Dean was pretty good; Huffington was incredible ... she really made the case for progressives ... it was a
clarion call to the Democratic Party's leadership that Iraq cannot be ignored and that the Party should not expect the support of progressives if they continue on the current path ... I'll be posting a link to her speech when it become available ... in the meantime, Arianna posted the following on her own blog:

source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/arianna-huffington/why-isnat-iraq-topic-on_2017.html

Why Isn’t Iraq Topic One Among Democrats?

Howard Dean was the leaving the stage after speaking to 2,000 progressives at the Take Back America conference this morning and I was going on next. As we crossed paths, I asked him if he could always be my warm up act. His speech was vintage Dean: passionate, energetic, unscripted. With one glaring difference: He never mentioned Iraq. I don’t get it. Is the thinking over at the DNC really, seriously that they can “take back America” without taking on Bush on Iraq?

With front-page stories today in the Washington Post about mutilated Iraqis and in the LA Times about the “staggering” increase in suicide bombings, shouldn’t the administration’s vulnerability on its horrific mishandling of the war be Topic One among Democrats?

This is what I talked about at the conference -- including taking on Nancy Pelosi for not voting for the resolution asking the White House to offer an exit strategy (I know how hard it is for members of Congress to exercise their oversight responsibility, but come on), and Hillary Clinton for regurgitating the White House’s talking points on Iraq. <skip>

As I’m about to board my plane back to LA, my take-away from the TBA conference is that the Democratic faithful are like parched earth, desperate for some drops of truth about Iraq from their elected representatives. <skip>
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 04:59 PM
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1. Actually election reform and impeaching Bush should be
the two main goals of the Democrats.

Take back Congress and send everyone involved in Bushco to jail!

Arrianna's blog kinda sux. I will agree with the person earlier she can kiss my ass.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:03 PM
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3. i was just going to say (though theres so many to choose from) that
real (and real fast) voting reform unfortunately has to be job one. it takes so long to get anything done that makes sense and has such opposition

so lets get an accurate and verifiable voting system in place

but the tragedy that is iraq needs immediate help too
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:05 PM
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4. Well if Arrianna would quit giving assholes like Joe Scarbourough
another place to spout their lies then maybe I'll start listening to her again.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:17 PM
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11. again not my favorite but given so many interesting voices on the blog
then ill let people like scarborough join in.

half the people on her blog i hadnt heard of and the other half i hadnt heard from in a long time or in much smaller venues

she has people of color and all kinds of topics on the front page. for this alone i will support her but i understand that people dont want to read scarborough and the like

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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:07 PM
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7. She agrees
and she said that those objectives will not happen if Democrats continue to go along with bush's occupation ...
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river2 Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:00 PM
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2. She does not deserve such a platform
WTH has she ever done? Rich dilettante.

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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:05 PM
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5. ad hominem attack
she speaks for many progressives including me ... let me give you a hint: i am not a rich dilettante ...

you may not like it but progressives are not going to just go along ... i'll assume from your ad hominem attack on Arianna that you do not consider yourself a progressive ...
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:07 PM
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6. River2 - back up your statement. You call her names without
any supporting data. She is putting her money where her mouth is - try it sometime. Just joined yesterday?
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:11 PM
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9. i dont get why people are so down on arianna. has anyone heard her on
Edited on Thu Jun-02-05 05:13 PM by faithnotgreed
bill maher (the only one really speaking up on the panels she was on)

i dont say she has credentials per se but at least she is trying to get a good message out and bring all kinds of people together. kinda like air america. not perfect and not reliant on smaller voices but an important step nonetheless.


i find her blog to be interesting and varied
anyone that can give a voice to jim lampley (and harry shearer etc) is great by me. jim lampley is awesome. and i hadnt heard from him since wide world of sports or something so i had no idea how intelligent and rational he is! on the first day of huffingtonpost she had jim lampley outright saying the election was a fraud. and backed it up too

i do agree that the stories are linked to large media and i dont like that either but i dont see why such anger from some people. we need to support and encourage and convey what we like and dont like but we shouldnt be tearing down what is at least a postitive start
and as will pitt posted earlier today - truthout relies on the larger media on their website as well

and for the record this isnt directed at you river2. just a culmination of what today have been posts against ariannas blog.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:07 PM
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8. Why Isn’t Iraq Topic One Among Democrats? no secret: because
the dem. party leadership wholeheartedly supports the occupation and destruction of iraq.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:13 PM
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10. Destroying the political power of the GOP should be Topic One
The best thing we Democrats could do is to concentrate on breaking the (metaphorical) back of the Republican Party. There are a thousand things that can be done from all parts of the Democratic political spectrum, and we don't have to wait. We shouldn't wait.

Bitching about rich people, Nader, how Clinton was as bad as Mother Teresa and Henry Kissinger, etc., is just so much noise. There is only one strategy -- attack at every opportunity. Even stealthfully, even "softly", but keep the goal in sight: to annihilate the political cancer that is modern "neo-conservatism".

--p!
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:22 PM
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12. Can we establish a new party?: The National Coalition Party (NCP) OR
To be made up of disenchanted Republicans and Dems
The National Progressive Coalition (NPC)

There has to be some place where environmentalists, anti-corporate control of America, anti-war, pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-worker, and anti-tax cuts for wealthy people can go.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 05:41 PM
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13. i like arianna.
that's all.
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