Wanna BLOW your MIND? Guess what excuse bushCo gave for not releasing

[LynnTheDem]

those other, as Rummy put it "sick, inhuman, depraved" Abu Ghraib torture photos and 4 videos. The ones that made Senators (Republican ones, even) sick to their stomachs, made some leave the room unable to watch further. THe ones of US troops at Abu Ghraib. The ones proving beyond all doubt that it never was "a few bad apples", it was, as the US Military's own reports have said, SYSTEMIC and WIDESPREAD.

Go on, GUESS what excuse bushCo gave to the federal court for not releasing those photos and films!

Wait, you'd have to be as insane as bushCo to guess and even attempting it may permanently damage brains, so I'll just tell you...


Releasing the photos and videos of US troops torturing & raping men, women & kids in Abu Ghraib would VIOLATE THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS.

:wow: :wow: :wow:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1518679

[atommom]

1. WTF???

That's all I can say right now.

:nuke:

[orleans]

94. rumsfu*k has got to be kidding, right?

(did you sign the letter? here's the link)

[rockedthevoteinMA]

2. I think my brain just imploded. n/t

[LittleClarkie]

38. It was probably your irony meter

You'll have to go get a new one now.

[neweurope]

3. But of course. Black is white and oppression is freedom.

---------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[Kolesar]

4. Yeah, like "Saddam in his poopers" ... eom

[jobycom]

5. There really ought to be a god, and she should swat Bush with a flyswatter

whenever he says the words Geneva or Conventions. He shouldn't even use the word Conventions. He should go to political "things." (Nod to Albert Brookes.)

[indepat]

6. But, but, but didn't General Myers say only 100 of 68,000 detainees have

been abused? Surely the fine general has not blatantly lied to the world!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

96. apparently just the 100 that died at Gitmo count.

[BigBearJohn]

7. and he said it with a straight face?

[kliljedahl]

53. Saw it, not only a straight face

but actually sounded like he believed it.


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[ogradda]

65. He must have used novacaine on it

to keep it straight while saying THAT. Even for him that takes some nerve. Wow.:wow:

[Ilsa]

85. Probably Parkinsons Disease from chemical exposure

in the Army has ruined his affect. Either that or they have a dermatologist at the ready with syringes of Botox right before the press conferences.

[MN ChimpH8R]

8. Jeebus H. Tap-dancing

Christ on a pogo stick. Even after four and a half years of this impenetrably dissonant bushit, they manage to raise the hypocrisy bar to ever-newer heights.
:grr: :nuke: :nuke: :grr:

[Hobarticus]

9. The Bush Administration, folks! Give 'em a big hand!

They'll be here all week! Try the veal!!!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[tabasco]

57. Biggest gut-wrenching laugh in a long time !

[tavalon]

98. Cute one, but

all I can manage is one finger. Care to guess which one?

[POAS]

10. I..umm..they....er ....we ........aw shit, I'm struck speechless.

[knowbody0]

11. it proves what an empty man he is

[Eloriel]

12. Isn't there a legal principle that goes something like this --

you can't hide behind a law to conceal having broken a law?

These fascists are clever, clever people, tho, aren't they? I've come to the conclusion this type of manipulativeness comes naturally to them -- they don't have to work at it.

Edit: Hope Jon Stewart and his crew get on this one. Or is it just too perfect for them?

[Up2Late]

69. It may have been released too late in the day, they tape around 6:00pm

It might make the show!?!

[MountainLaurel]

13. Pardon me, while my head explodes

:nuke:

[gratuitous]

14. But, it was bought with MY money

Isn't that why George wants to loot Social Security? Because that money belongs to the people, so why should the government hang on to it for you?

Well, those photos and videos, as well as the actions captured were also accomplished with MY money. I've paid for 'em, I wanna see 'em. If there are negative repercussions that might follow, isn't it in my best interest to know what sort of retaliation might be coming for me? Forewarned is forearmed, as the old saying goes, and considering the inept job this corrupt administration did with the forewarnings from January through August 2001, I have to think I'll do a better job of taking steps to protect myself than the government will.

Besides, George himself said in reference to the photos of Saddam that he didn't think people would get too jazzed about that violation of the Geneva Conventions. Surely such a godly, Christian man wouldn't indulge situational ethics between photographic violations of the Geneva Conventions? What's good for one violation is good for all of them, right?

Let the American people see what's been done in their name.

[MindPilot]

15. excuse me while I disassemble...

:argh:

[Career Prole]

16. Didn't the bastards claim not so very long ago

that these people were NOT prisoners-of-war and thus were NOT covered by the Geneva Conventions?

:wtf:

[Generator]

31. They get to have everything both ways-because they are criminals

Attorneys for the government had argued that turning over visual evidence of abuse would violate the United States’ obligations under the Geneva Conventions, but the ACLU said that obscuring the faces and identifiable features of the detainees would erase any potential privacy concerns. The court agreed.

"It is indeed ironic that the government invoked the Geneva Conventions as a basis for withholding these photographs," said Amrit Singh, a staff attorney at the ACLU. "Had the government genuinely adhered to its obligations under these Conventions, it could have prevented the widespread abuse of detainees held in its custody in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantánamo Bay."

~snip from above link~

Oh wait-this administration doesn't have to be held to account. They are outside of all law. Criminals all. These guys are IDEOLOGICAL criminals. The idea is pure-so the action is just.
They are creepy fascists and all those that appologize for them make me sick.

[thecai]

59. Bush Can't Keep Track Of His Lies...

....he needs to write them down to remember.
Can he write?
IMPEACH BUSH NOW!
Rather, YESTERDAY!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. If I were the federal judge who heard that argument,

I'd have been tempted to throw the BushCo lawyer who said that in jail for contempt of court. Because it's truly contemptuous of the court and the legal system and human decency and the entire damn universe to pull such a morally bankrupt excuse out of your ass and say it to a judge. It's akin to a guy who murdered his parents asking the court for mercy because he's an orphan.
Just when I think they can't do anything more depraved, they come up with something like this. "Bottom-dwelling, scum-sucking asswipes" doesn't come even close to an adequate description of these douchebags.

[Jacobin]

78. I think the judge did have that reaction

Because he (she?) ordered the release of the pictures and movies.

Which is very good news.

One a them thar librul activis' jedges, doncha know.

[Tux]

18. Link

Need to see that for myself.

[LynnTheDem]

91. Link in my OP. nt

[KarenS]

19. absolutely unbelievable!!

I'd be upset except that I am suffering from outrage fatigue these days,,,,,

I just keep hoping & praying that just one of these things will hit the 'general public' like a ton of bricks!!

How long can this stuff go on?????

[BigBearJohn]

39. til we're all in concentration camps

[sojourner]

67. Wish I could laugh at that instead of shudder........

:hide:

[undeterred]

20. thats kind of like not talking about his drug use history because young

impressional people might imitate him...

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Damn very technically speaknig they are correct

you cannot expose POWs to ridicule... but hold it, didn't our head at Justice state that Gneeva was obsolote?

Yep in case yuo are wondering this folks, they are trying to hve their cake and eat it too...

(Of note, these photos et al also reveal a pattern that falls under... hold it, wait for it... WAR CRIMES)

[Coexist]

22. the Geneva conventions are quaint, remember?

send them out, Rummy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. I do, I do

as a former Red Cross Worker trust me, I smell gnomes in Switzerland TAKNIG NOTES... can I footnote them?

[Coexist]

29. oh yes. This is too rich.

I love the smell of hypocrisy after dinner.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Cons hypocrite, you don't say?

In this case they are WAR CRIMINALS... I suspect this goes all the way to the office of the President of the United States... hey fifty years after WE insisted on the Nuremberg Standards we may yet see a President on the Docket... it will happen, sooner or later.

[Coexist]

62. It would be a sad day for our country to be embarassed like that

but a good day for us to take a long, hard look at our do-as-we-say-not-as-we-do attitude our government has taken of late.

This administration (and the ones that follow) need to be very aware that power does not place you above the law.

[tavalon]

99. Please let it be sooner! n/t

It's off to the Hague they go!

[Straight Shooter]

41. FLDem5, that's the response I was waiting to read.

Bingo.

[Coexist]

63. You know it!

[bpilgrim]

103. not if they are released as part of TRUTH OUT cleansing process i.e. SA

after apartheid.

but as you noted, either way they are FUCKED :nuke:

peace

[liberal N proud]

23. Is the bu$h regime for or against the Geneva Convention?

For it when it is in their best interest.
Against it when they want to abuse a few prisoners or illegally invade a country.

[babylonsister]

33. Same w/Amnesty Int'l. Outrage fatigue indeed. nt

[tavalon]

100. Well, they're kind of flip-floppers n/t

[understandinglife]

24. Up is down. Water is dry. Light is dark. .....

They will keep making shit up until we stop them.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[Triana]

25. Just when I think they can't possibly...

..get more idiotic, assinine, and SICK, they do. And guess what. Their jockstraps (ie: supporters) will swallow this bu$hit whole, too.

:hide:

[paula777]

26. Our soldiers were raping men, women and kids?

I heard about the torture, obviously, but this is the first time I had heard rape. They taped our guys raping prisoners?

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Yes,. yes they did

in fact this has been hinted for a while...

[paula777]

35. Evil motherfuckers - I guess I missed the 'hints' - and it should have

been headlines - well, it makes me want to give them a big vietnam war welcome when they get home, but I know it's just a few of them (I hope) and not the majority.

edit - typo

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. It is a minority, just as the Nazis they were selectively chosen

read Hitler's Willing Executioners, and you will know who they chose to do this.

Trust me, the fact that they used Private Lindie England was not surprsiing, from small towns and absolutely no experienice, where do you think the Nazis took their willing Police Exceutioners?

Fact is, the New Yorker artciles have mentioned the rapes... which is a very common tactic... so common it is not even funny... hence why it is actually mentioned in the Conventions by act.

[in_cog_ni_to]

37. They raped mothers.

They made kids watch as they tortured their mom or dad. Yes indeed. Our soldiers did that. They also raped children. They took menstrual blood and smeared it on the male prisoners. The abuses go on and on and on and on.....

[paula777]

47. That is beyond unconscionable. I’m sorry, I watch a fair amount

of news and read quite a bit and I haven’t heard this. The MSM swept this one under the rug.

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. Sy Hersh didn't sweep it under the rug.

The MSM certainly did and continues to do so. Orders from the WH.

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. Hence why I no lomger bother with the Stenography Corp

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. Same here.

I never watch the MSM. C-SPAN/C-SPAN II, Mike Malloy and Randi Rhodes. That's it...besides DU and the internet.

[tavalon]

102. I'm afraid so

Seymour Hersch reported on the rape of young boys quite a while ago. It's beyond sickening. And, while this did come down from on high and all of them need to go down for it, any grunt who raped must also face charges. I was only following orders does not cut it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. !@#$%$#@!@#$#@! *taking breath* !@#$%$#@!@#$%$#@!

OMG. OMG. OMG. OMG!!!!!#@!@#$%!#@%$# I'm speechless.

There are no words.

[blue neen]

34. Lewis Carroll himself couldn't twist the story any more than they do.

This is all a very sadistic version of Alice in Wonderland.

[leftchick]

36. These Fucks Defined the word IRONY....

~snip~

"It is indeed ironic that the government invoked the Geneva Conventions as a basis for withholding these photographs," said Amrit Singh, a staff attorney at the ACLU. "Had the government genuinely adhered to its obligations under these Conventions, it could have prevented the widespread abuse of detainees held in its custody in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantánamo Bay."

The court order filed late yesterday requires the government by June 30 to reprocess and redact 144 detainee abuse photographs provided by Sergeant Joseph Darby to the Army’s Criminal Investigation Command. The order also requires the government to provide the court with an estimate of the length of time it will take to reprocess and redact four movies included as part of the Darby collection by June 10. The decision comes after the court privately viewed eight of the images from the Darby collection to determine whether the photographs should be released under the FOIA. The ACLU expects redacted versions of the photographs to be released within the next six weeks.

FOUR Movies??? OMG.... I just can't even imagine how bad it is.
:(

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Unfortunately I can

then again I don't need an imagination... by the way this goes so high up it ain't even funcknig funny

[Fire Walk With Me]

40. I just love absurdist cabaret.

[pinto]

43. And Rummy's argument about denying GITMO prisoners Geneva rights,

is that it would damage the Geneva Conventions standards. (from his press conf yesterday)

Go figure.

Obviously, they are picking and choosing which laws/agreements with which to comply and which to ignore or co-opt.

[expatriate]

44. I must steal a quote from Jim Garrison

"We're over the rainbow, boys and girls. White is black, and black is white."

Now I'll go and hit myself over the head with a skillet for a while. It'll feel nice compared to having read about this.

[EST]

45. People are saying it!

The eternal sucking up is fading. Democrats and independents are learning to say "liar," and "thief." The DNA transfusion from the UK that had a magical effect on our cowardly lion of a Democratic majority has begun to combine with the piss from a few democratic leaders and the Howard Dean vinegar to free up the real ethical majority from their self imposed straitjacket of politeness and business-as-it-was thirty years ago.

Governmental republicans and slimy ethical standards democrats are not encumbered by any sort of real compassion and certainly don't hanker for a closer relationship to integrity. We must fight the fight of truth and values and be totally willing to fight dirty and passionately-not abandoning those values, as the theocratic pretenders have done, but get mean and tough, vicious even, in the battle to save the world.

Demand truth - it's worth what you pay for it.

[journalist3072]

48. This is me, pulling my hair out!!

The Bush crime regime finally drove me to pulling my freakin hair out! I can't take it!

Violate the Geneva Conventions? Since when the hell did they start having respect for the Geneva Conventions? Don't they think 9/11 rendedered it quaint and obsolete???

[thecai]

49. Bush Violates The Geneva Conventions Then Uses The Same

...Geneva Conventions to cover up his crimes and corruption. Bush is insane.
IMPEACH NOW!

[Maraya1969]

50. DOES ANYONE HAVE THAT ON TAPE????

We need an emoticon for a half scream half laugh.

[spanone]

51. Feel Like my Head's gonna bust wide open

[Enraged_Ape]

52. That's it. I have officially gone insane.

Reading that was like looking into the eyes of Cthulhu.

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. Now a chutullu reference is not one I expect on a political

board, I'd say he is Rummy...

[dxstone]

74. What's the diff?

"I LOVE horror movies, man... I just don't want to LIVE in one."
D X Stone

[Singular73]

54. Its really the only logical position to take.

If your position is that this was an isolated act by depraved soldiers, then your position would HAVE to be what they just stated.

[Singular73]

55. *

double post

[Rex]

58. That's just Dubya acting like an asshole again.

Mocking the dead and preying on the poor and downtrodden is what the BFEE does best! Nothing crazy about it, just pure evil.

[lonestarnot]

64. And that folks is bushitler!

[XemaSab]

66. I'm just so over it.

I mean, I hear something like this and I have just enough of a teeny little spark of non-cynicism in me to say, "Hey, 5 years ago you would have been actually, actively outraged at this, but you've been through so much that all you can do is post a cynical response at DU and move on with your life."

[donkeyotay]

70. Here's a little trip down hypocrisy lane

This article is from early in the war when Iraq caught a couple of our guys and showed them on tv. (I think they also showed some dead soldiers.)The House passed a resolution 419-0 against the abuse:


The United States has faulted Iraq for showing pictures of the prisoners of war, which the U.S. claims violates the Geneva Convention on treatment of POWs. Article 13 of the Convention bars any "humiliation" of prisoners.

President Bush said Sunday he expected that Iraq treat any prisoners "humanely, just like we'll treat any Iraqi prisoners."
...
and the Pentagon makes a point of contrasting their treatment with that given by the Iraqis to coalition troops... "We are treating all of the POWs in accordance with the Geneva Conventions, with dignity and respect," Clarke said Monday.

The House resolution approved Thursday demands that Iraq obey the Geneva Conventions, condemns violations of those rules to date, and calls for the Red Cross to have access to Americans held captive.

It also "joins the president in warning all Iraqi authorities that any individual who mistreats any prisoner of war in violation of that Convention shall be considered a war criminal and prosecuted as such to the full extent of United States and international law."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/27/iraq/main546346.shtml

emphasis added













http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/27/iraq/main546346.shtml

[Jacobin]

79. Oh my.

I had forgotten that one.

Thank you.

Somewhat inconvenient for them now

[Just Me]

71. Their expertise is abusing laws to excuse breaking them.

They are a lawless, evil cabal. That's what they are,...a lawless, evil cabal heartlessly imposing their will upon those who fail to do what they want, when they want it.

Dictators. Corporate dictators.

[Swamp Rat]

72. Rumsfeld is a Nazi

[tk2kewl]

73. he's almost correct...

Releasing the photos and videos of US troops torturing & raping men, women & kids in Abu Ghraib would PROVE HE VIOLATES THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS.

[dxstone]

75. This CAN'T go on forever... CAN IT?

[Initech]

76. Holy crap!!!!!!

*head explodes*

!!!!???!!?!/!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!/!!?!?

Have they even read the Geneva Convention?

[VOX]

77. So, Rummy, it's just the *images* that violate the Geneva Conventions...

and not the acts of brutality themselves????? :wtf:

You self-righteous, hair-splitting, hedging, lying mother fu*ker!!!!! :mad: :grr: :nuke:

[Jacobin]

80. Amazingly enough....

I really think Rummy believes that in his sick twisted mind. Whenever this comes up he always bemoans the fact that these people took pictures and never ever acts concerned about the conduct.

In other words, he's only upset that he got caught.

Its one of those: Who are you gonna believe? Me, or your lying eyes" moments, and the problem is, the pictures are simply to graphic to ignore, even for jaded Murkins.

[Cleita]

He said this from the very beginning, something to the effect

that he was being asked about this because they all had digital cameras or something to the effect. It gave me the impression that he thought it was okay if it weren't for the digital cameras. Of course, our liberal press didn't grill him further to ask him exactly what did he mean about that. Disgusting really.

[tavalon]

104. Don't forget

this was the same man who was angry that pictures were taken rather than that there were things committed during which pictures were taken.

The solution to that one was to ban the taking of pictures at Abu Ghraib. There, problem solved!

AAARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SalmonChantedEvening]

81. Has history ever witnessed such blatant LIARS?

I'm simply dumbfounded by them.

Imagine the barking of their followers once this hits any MSM outlets.

Disassemble! Disassemble!

[tavalon]

105. Yes actually

Hitler and his regime come to mind. Strange how that crew comes to my mind a lot lately.

[FreedomAngel82]

82. AH!

:banghead:

[Disturbed]

84. "only 100 of 68,000 detainees have

been abused."

He mean to say "only 100 of 68,000 detainees have been beaten &/or chocked to death".

[lucca]

83. I want to wake up from this nightmare!

Will it ever end?
It must!

[Nothing Without Hope]

86. That really IS jaw-dropping. I am speechless.

So it's okay to DO the torture, but it's NOT okay for people who might pressure to have it stopped WATCH it. Because of those quaint Geneva Conventions.

This is just too weird.

[walldude]

87. How do you argue with the logic

that what's harmful to the country is not the fact that these things happened, but that someone actually wants to make it public. It's not the fact that we torture and murder prisoners(26 died in custody so far) it's the fact that some wussy liberals want people to know about it. Can some lurking freeper please explain that logic to me? I pine for the days when this country led by example...

[Jacobin]

88. Here ya go:

"America, love it or leave it"

"My country, right or wrong"

hmm, I forget the other little tidbits from the 60's from the Silent Majority (so-called), but you get the idea.

Hey, life is a FOOTBALL GAME, its the SUPERBOWL, you take sides and argue and fight and swear and make up lies for your team, without regard to reality!!!! (actually, i'm convinced that the team sport mania in this country enables these jingoistic freaks)

[LifeDuringWartime]

89. WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my brain just collapsed in on itself, i think it has become a fucking black hole

[neuvocat]

90. Bushco has mental illness.

Simple as that.

[tavalon]

106. And so does Murka

Welcome back to the age of the Salem Witch Trial hysteria/insanity.

[BattyDem]

92. What the ... I can't believe ... are you kidding ... how can they ...

[rucky]

93. "I'm not a sadist, but I play one on TV" n/t

[BamaBecky]

95. My God......what next???...And so tell me again why Rumsfeld

was offended at Amnesty?

[tavalon]

97. Wow, that is fucked up beyond belief!

Not that there is one bit of funny in all of this but it astounds just how irony impaired this admininistration is.

[tyedyeto]

101. Violate the Geneva Convention?

When did the * administration ever give a fuck about that?

[leesa]

107. Do you suppose he'll just speak in tongues from now on?

[NuttyFluffers]

108. so they're trying to kill dissentors by aneurisms. check.

:o :-( x( :hurts: :rant: :banghead: :mad: :grr: :nuke:

[LynnTheDem]

109. LOL!

Now if nobody was dripping blood, gore and brain matter into the ground over this bushit, the past 4 1/2 years would have been the biggest hit comedy show ever.

[GeorgeGist]

110. Why does it not surprise me in the least.

This is Neverland isn't it?

[Hissyspit]

111. I have ALWAYS argued against that literal reading of Geneva:

on that count; that it would be abused to keep the truth about war coming out. Freedom of Speech/the First Amendment trumps any treaty we may sign.

Thanks for keeping us updated, Lynn. I am real busy the Summer Session I (teach class all day, every day) and have not been able to spend as much time on here as I would like.

[libodem]

112. oh, that old, quaint document

I didn't think Bush believed in that, unless of course it is to justify killing people without uniforms.

[warrens]

113. (Head explodes)

Those FUCKING punks...god I despise them.