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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:26 AM
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"Secret no more: Downing Street memo " -StarTrib
today-
http://www.startribune.com/stories/562/5436890.html

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He has printed the whole memo.
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oldlady Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 04:58 AM
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1. thank you
that gun is smoking
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 05:03 AM
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2. Damn!
It's about time this moved from the back to the front burner..
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:41 AM
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3. And a GREAT headline!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 06:54 AM
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4. Great headline
:shrug:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 09:53 AM
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9. More than the headline...
Look what PITA posted over in GD/P! Sure reads like MINUTES, ya know the OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT of a meeting...

paineinthearse Jun-03-05 01:26 PM
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The Rycroft (Downing Street) Memo
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 01:52 PM by paineinthearse

http://www.startribune.com/stories/562/5436890.html

POSTED IN FULL AS THE DOCUMENT IS NOW IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.

Last update: June 2, 2005 at 7:16 PM
Secret no more: Downing Street memo

Published June 3, 2005

SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL -- UK EYES ONLY

DAVID MANNING

From: Matthew Rycroft

Date: 23 July 2002

S 195 /02

cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell

IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY

Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq. This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents. John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the U.S. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

CDS said that military planners would brief CENTCOM on 1-2 August, Rumsfeld on 3 August and Bush on 4 August.

The two broad U.S. options were:

(a) Generated Start. A slow build-up of 250,000 U.S. troops, a short (72 hour) air campaign, then a move up to Baghdad from the south. Lead time of 90 days (30 days preparation plus 60 days deployment to Kuwait).

(b) Running Start. U.S. forces already in theatre (3 x 6,000), continuous air campaign, initiated by an Iraqi casus belli. Total lead time of 60 days with the air campaign beginning even earlier. A hazardous option.

The U.S. saw the UK (and Kuwait) as essential, with basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus critical for either option. Turkey and other Gulf states were also important, but less vital. The three main options for UK involvement were:

(i) Basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus, plus three SF squadrons.

(ii) As above, with maritime and air assets in addition.

(iii) As above, plus a land contribution of up to 40,000, perhaps with a discrete role in Northern Iraq entering from Turkey, tying down two Iraqi divisions.

The Defence Secretary said that the U.S. had already begun "spikes of activity" to put pressure on the regime. No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in U.S. minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the U.S. congressional elections.

The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.

The Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult. The situation might of course change.

The Prime Minister said that it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the UN inspectors. Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD. There were different strategies for dealing with Libya and Iran. If the political context were right, people would support regime change. The two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work.

On the first, CDS said that we did not know yet if the U.S. battleplan was workable. The military were continuing to ask lots of questions. For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, or if Baghdad did not collapse and urban warfighting began? You said that Saddam could also use his WMD on Kuwait. Or on Israel, added the Defence Secretary.

The Foreign Secretary thought the U.S. would not go ahead with a military plan unless convinced that it was a winning strategy. On this, U.S. and UK interests converged. But on the political strategy, there could be U.S./UK differences. Despite U.S. resistance, we should explore discreetly the ultimatum. Saddam would continue to play hard-ball with the UN.

John Scarlett assessed that Saddam would allow the inspectors back in only when he thought the threat of military action was real.

The Defence Secretary said that if the Prime Minister wanted UK military involvement, he would need to decide this early. He cautioned that many in the U.S. did not think it worth going down the ultimatum route. It would be important for the Prime Minister to set out the political context to Bush.

Conclusions:

(a) We should work on the assumption that the UK would take part in any military action. But we needed a fuller picture of U.S. planning before we could take any firm decisions. CDS should tell the U.S. military that we were considering a range of options.

(b) The Prime Minister would revert on the question of whether funds could be spent in preparation for this operation.

(c) CDS would send the Prime Minister full details of the proposed military campaign and possible UK contributions by the end of the week.

(d) The Foreign Secretary would send the Prime Minister the background on the UN inspectors, and discreetly work up the ultimatum to Saddam.

He would also send the Prime Minister advice on the positions of countries in the region especially Turkey, and of the key EU member states.

(e) John Scarlett would send the Prime Minister a full intelligence update.

(f) We must not ignore the legal issues: the Attorney-General would consider legal advice with FCO/MOD legal advisers.

(I have written separately to commission this follow-up work.)

MATTHEW RYCROFT

www.AfterDowningStreet.org




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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 10:43 AM
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10. Fun fact sources
I ran a google news search for "Saddam 2002" to see what articles would come up with regard to the rhetoric from Bush et al. While we all saw what was going on in terms of the hype toward war, I thought it would be useful to have some source backup.

It's unclear when, exactly, the Washington meeting took place but from the minutes it is close to July 23, 2002. So that was a benchmark date for before/after comparisons showing evidence that this was carefully scripted to manipulate public opinion and beliefs. But I don't have the tools necessary to go back that far on a basic search.

What is clear from the article that came up though; the media is absolutely SCREAMING about Bush's lies. We're not hearing it on the TV or radio, but the printed news is there.

So here's some fun stuff to use as you choose: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GF03Ak03.html
<snip>
All of the preceding was old news. However, the US escalated its anti-Saddam rhetoric in 2002. The American public started to hear frequent comparisons between his regime and that of Adolf Hitler's. The Bush administration issued a dossier in September 2002 listing a number of violations by Saddam and quoting from Amnesty International reports. Amnesty swiftly responded by noting that at least one of the US government's claims was simply false: that it had never made one of the claims - on disappeared persons in Iraq - that was attributed to them. More to the point, Amnesty was harshly critical of Bush's attempt to use human rights as a justification for a war of aggression. It stated, "Once again, the human-rights record of a country is used selectively to legitimize military actions. The US and other Western governments turned a blind eye to Amnesty International reports of widespread human-rights violations in Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, and ignored Amnesty's campaign on behalf of the thousands of unarmed Kurdish civilians killed in the 1988 attacks on Halabja."
<snip>

From Jamestown Foundation - Terrorism Monitor
http://jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2369714
<snip>
There is already some reports that Iraqis have begun to deploy crude WMD weapons against U.S. forces in Iraq. In the beginning of 2005, the Iraqi correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam reported that fighters fired mortar rounds containing chemical substances at the U.S. al-Habbaniyah base. <6> There has also been speculation that Iraqi guerrillas fired rockets loaded with Sarin gas at a US base near Falluja in February 2005. <7> While neither of these reports have been confirmed, there can be little doubt that Iraq is still a repository of some WMD material, despite the fact that none have been found since the ouster of Saddam Hussein. In an ironic twist of catastrophic proportions the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq may result in exactly the kind of attack that it was purportedly designed to prevent in the first place; namely a WMD attack on U.S. interests by Iraqis. (BTW, do YOU remember hearing about WMD attacks on our forces in Iraq early this year?)
<snip>

EXCELLENT article on all of the revisionist history:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/052105.html
<snip to last two paragraphs>
No objective observer, however, could look at the known facts, match them against Bush’s historical claims, and conclude anything other than that Bush is lying, that he is consciously deceiving the American people.

One also might draw a secondary conclusion: that Bush is sure he can get away with lying because neither his defenders nor the mainstream U.S. media will call him to account.

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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 01:12 PM
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17. Quoted lies circa 2002
George W. Bush:

"You can't distinguish between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein when you talk about the war on terror....The regime has long-standing and continuing ties to terrorist organizations and there are al-Qaeda terrorists inside Iraq."

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/11/01/bushiraq021101


"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program."

“Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past.”

"Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons.”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:56 PM
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18. Sho' duz!
Viel danke! :hug:

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 07:52 AM
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5. Intelligence being fixed around *policy???
I'm SHOCKED! :wow: Simply SHOCKED!!!

DOWNING STREET MINUTES - OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT MINUTES OF AN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT MEETING

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:32 AM
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7. What you don't like my puppy dogs?
:cry:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 09:41 AM
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8. Actually I couldn't get them
to display properly. :freak: But now that I sorta "get" how it works,
I'll try again. Thank you so much! It's such a great feeling to learn something new! :hug:
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 12:30 PM
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13. They're godless
Humanists. They make baby Jesus cry. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 12:05 PM
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12. And I bet they've only done it with this one issue too.
Of course they haven't resorted to junk science to skew data around policy. :sarcasm:
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 08:14 AM
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6. So The Last Horse Crosses The Finish Line
I remember when it was the competing Pioneer Press that first published the story (back page, KR wire report) and then the Strib finally mentioned the memo in an article of how liberals are frustrated about the lack of interest on the memo.

Well, at least someone is on the ball.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 10:45 AM
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11. Good - Bush's lying us into war might actually get as much coverage
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 10:47 AM by redqueen
as Clinton's lying about his affair did back in the 90's.

I hope...
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 12:36 PM
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14. Here we go!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 12:38 PM
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15. Woo Hoo !!!
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

Yeah baby!!!
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 12:39 PM
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16. Remember send letters to thank these Newpapers for printing the story
show them our support. This is great!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 03:37 PM
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19. EXTRA, EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT!

DOWNING STREET MINUTES - OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT MINUTES OF AN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT MEETING


:kick:
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