Breaking News : Kerry To Push For Bush Impeachment (GOP is rumbling)

[sabra]

<<SNIP>>
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6057

Breaking News : Kerry To Push For Bush Impeachment
Posted by News Reporter on 2005/6/3 10:29:52
By Sher Zieve

John Kerry announced Thursday that he intends to present Congress with The Downing Street Memo, reported by the London Times 1 May 2005. As reported by NewsMax, the memo purports to include minutes from a July 2002 meeting with Tony Blair, in which Blair ostensibly said that President Bush’s Administration “fixed” intelligence on Iraq in order to justify the Iraqi war. In an interview with the Standard Times, Kerry said: "It's amazing to me the way it escaped major media discussion. It's not being missed on the Internet, I can tell you that."

The Boston Globe published an article by Ralph Nader, Tuesday, in which Nader also called for President Bush’s impeachment. The story is being carried on Michael Moore’s website and the Democratic Underground. Failed presidential candidate Kerry advised that he will begin the presentation of his case for President Bush’s impeachment to Congress, on Monday.

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As I mentioned in my other thread, the RW media is starting to counter to DSM. Kerry's statement has made them realize that this will most likely make it to the Senate floor...

Next week should be interesting!

[cap]

1. Is Kerry pushing for Bush's impeachment or just an investigation

into the Downing Street Memo?

[second edition]

25. I don't think he mentioned the term impeachment at all.

Who reported he said this?

[gratuitous]

34. Consider the source of the story

But "The Conservative Voice" clearly sees the implications of the Downing Street Memo even as the major media outlets continue to stare off into space.

Kerry pressing for some kind of answer from the corrupt Bush administration about the contents of the memo doesn't automatically lead to impeachment, but it's pretty obvious that if Clinton can be impeached over lying about a consensual affair, Bush can be impeached and removed from office for prosecuting an imperial invasion under false pretenses.

[Strawman]

110. Exactly. Trying to contextualize impeachment in a "sore loser" frame

Nowhere does Kerry say impeachment. They're just linking Nader's call for impeachment to "failed presidential candidate" (how many times did they describe him that way in a short article?) Kerry in order to contextualize the story within some sort of "sour grapes" frame.

Kerry saying we should look into the DSM does not = him saying "I'm going to press for impeachment," unless you're a hack RW liar posing as a journalist.

[Pirate Smile]

62. Newsmax, of course. "Kerry Touts Bush Impeachment Memo"

"Kerry Touts Bush Impeachment Memo

Failed presidential candidate John Kerry said Thursday that he intends to confront Congress with a document touted by critics of President Bush as evidence that he committed impeachable crimes by falsifying evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

"When I go back on Monday, I am going to raise the issue," Kerry said, referring to the Downing Street Memo in an interview with Massachusetts' Standard Times newspaper. "

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/3/00901.shtml

[Toots]

67. They are at least saying "document" now instead of memo

They have upgraded things a mite.

[Pirate Smile]

70. I guess we have moved past the ignore you phase and into the laugh at you

phase of this story. Soon comes the fight you phase.

[FreedomAngel82]

80. Of course

And we will win. :)

[ewagner]

28. Same question here

My understanding is that he was going to ask for an investigation and bring the subject to light on the Senate floor....I don't recall anything about impeachment..

the "impeachment" line is done for two purposes:

1: Classify Kerry as a "sore Loser"
2. Fire up the conservative base.....

[kster]

38. Ya,the whole 28% of them...nt

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Gasp! President Kerry reporting for duty!!!

That's MY President! Bring it on!

[elehhhhna]

44. MSM here, reporting doody, sir!

[cap]

58. ROFLMAO

that's the sad state of news these days, though.

[Pirate Smile]

65. Bush always sticks "duty" in his blather and it sounds like "doody".

He did this in his latest press conference - We have a doody or I have a doody.

It seems like a SNL skit but it is real. :crazy:

[FreedomAngel82]

81. Which is really pathetic

Oy!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. Oh great..get ready for another troll invasion

since we're mentioned

[dbt]

13. Bring 'em on!

:evilgrin:

[Coexist]

14. I was just thinking that

I'm sure there will be lots of
"are we sure the memo isn't going to get us Rather'd, maybe we shouldn't pursue it, it could be a Rovian tactic".

and "well don't you think that a President should plan for war while working for peace, that memo just proves he was doing his job. Let's not make a big deal of it, it could make us look silly".

Can you think of any more? Let's make a game of it!

[dweller]

32. THE Democratic Underground...

hmmm...sounds like some nefarious conspiracy group ...holdovers from the radical 60's...

dp

[Tigress DEM]

71. People only do that because they have to respect our numbers....

Democratic Underground sounds less organized and thus chaotic, but THE Democratic Underground means they know there is only ONE DU that matters and we are it.

[Career Prole]

4. "'Failed' presidential candidate Kerry"?

MF's misspelled "robbed".

[Nite Owl]

15. Yeah, what about the

'failed Presidency'. That's what we got to get out there over and over.

[SnowGoose]

19. I noticed that too.

If they were talking about Dole, you can be sure it would have been "former Presidential Candidate".

Oh, well, consider the source.

[Tigress DEM]

72. ROFL

" MF's misspelled "robbed" "


:rofl:




PRICELESS!!!

[Pacifist Patriot]

82. Good catch.

[CottonBear]

5. Wow!

:wow:

Rove must be getting worried. Is this Friday GOP propaganda to smear Kerry and the Democrats?

edit: Notice the way they call Kerry "Failed presidential candidate Kerry" and link DU and Kerry to Nader's statements about impeachment.
:grr:

[bobthedrummer]

Yep, someone has to. I'll hope Senator Feingold is thinking about im-

peachment too.

[xultar]

6. Hummmm I'm not gonna hold my breath.

[grasswire]

7. they are reframing the debate already

Nowhere did Kerry mention impeachment. Rove is furiously working to botch this up by reframing with a lot of confusion and shape-shifting.

[sabra]

11. It's in the works... they are gearing up this weekend

for Kerry's actions next week.

[thoughtanarchist]

31. true dat.

Kerry never mentioned impeachment. They're also trying the demonize-by-association trick by dragging Moore into the mix. Weak start to the counter-talking points if you ask me.

[central scrutinizer]

75. Rove will probably get Charlie Manson and Michael Jackson

to come out for impeachment so they can throw those names in along with Michael Moore and Ralph Nader. Too bad Jeffrey Dahmer can't get on board.

[Pacifist Patriot]

83. Yep

Please, please, please let it backfire like some of their other recent botch jobs.

[Just Me]

8. Ok Ok Ok

Now, I am getting really excited!!! :bounce:

Kerry joining in the call for impeachment!!!:woohoo:

[CottonBear]

27. The article says Nader is calling for impeachment.

Kerry has said no such thing.

[Tigress DEM]

73. Yeah, first gather and present the facts, then impeach.

Proper guy Kerry, following Robert's Rules of Order and such, but the end result will hopefully be the same. Bush and COMPANY.... people WE must make sure this doesn't stop at BUSH - it has to go all the way.

We are battling a multi-headed hydra, not just a simpleton dragon here. If we don't get them all cut off, it will just grow back the ones we chop off.

I think the Downing Street** "Memo" and "Minutes" need to be used as an impetus to get those "private meeting minutes" between Cheney and Enron about our energy policy opened.

DeLay and Hassert need to be axed as well and Condi blocked. Who else can step in and keep up the damage??? That is the think ahead question of the week.


**(and I do believe there are 2 items floating out there and one is the complete minutes the other is a partial or a memo in reference... so make sure we are referring to the correct one when we make our statements.)

[Stand and Fight]

39. No, no, no!!

Kerry never said anywhere in his remarks that he would push for Bush's impeachment! Did you read the article referenced yesterday? He never said anything about impeachment. This is right-wing lies and spin as usual!

See the article:
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/06-05/06-02-05/a01lo167.htm

Screw it, here's the article:

Kerry assails Bush on Iraq
Policies on Social Security, health care also draw fire
By STEVE URBON, Standard-Times senior correspondent

NEW BEDFORD -- Sen. John F. Kerry yesterday called on Americans to be more aware of the "bait and switch" Iraq war and the "hollowing out" of the Army in the pursuit of a mistaken policy.
In a swing through SouthCoast, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee attacked the priorities of the Republican Party and President Bush, elaborating on what they are sacrificing -- health care for children, infrastructure, Social Security -- in the pursuit of tax cuts.
"The Holy Grail of the Republican Party is a tax cut, whether or not we need it," he said in a meeting with The Standard-Times editorial board.
Sen. Kerry puzzled over the apparent lack of interest by Americans in the Iraq war and the near silence in the U.S. mass media about the so-called Downing Street Memo.
That leaked secret document, the minutes of a 2002 cabinet meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair, says bluntly that Mr. Bush had decided to attack Iraq long before going to Congress with the matter, and that "intelligence was being fixed around the policy."
It caused an uproar in Great Britain and badly hurt Mr. Blair in national elections but went almost unnoticed in the United States.
"When I go back (to Washington) on Monday, I am going to raise the issue," he said of the memo, which has not been disputed by either the British or American governments. "I think it's a stunning, unbelievably simple and understandable statement of the truth and a profoundly important document that raises stunning issues here at home. And it's amazing to me the way it escaped major media discussion. It's not being missed on the Internet, I can tell you that."
He questioned Americans' understanding of the war and the sense that criticism equals disloyalty, saying, "Do you think that Americans if they really understood it would feel that way knowing that on Election Day, 77 percent of Americans who voted for Bush believed that weapons of mass destruction had been found and 77 percent believe Saddam did 9/11? Is there a way for this to break through, ever?"
Earlier in the day, Sen. Kerry met in a "town hall"-style meeting with about 75 seniors, where he assailed the recently passed Medicare prescription drug benefit, the GOP's tax cuts for wealthy Americans and the attempts to privatize Social Security.
He said to the largely supportive group, "The next time one of those conservative senators or congressmen comes to you and starts talking to you about American values, I want you to look him in the eye and say, what is the value that is represented in providing the wealthiest people in America with a great big tax cut at the expense of the poorest people in the country?"
"I went back and reread the New Testament the other day, and I've got news for you. Nowhere in the three-year ministry of Jesus Christ is there any suggestion at all that you ought to take from the poor and give to the rich and leave children at risk," he said to a loud round of applause.
Invoking the legacy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the New Deal's "safety net," Sen. Kerry accused Mr. Bush and the GOP of misleading the public about Social Security and their intentions. "They're never telling the truth," he said.
"There were people who opposed Social Security in the '30s and '40s. There were people who voted against Medicare in the last quarter-century. And they're still there," he said.
He dismissed claims that Social Security will be bankrupt by 2042 or 2052, but "Medicare Part A does go bankrupt in 2020. Why isn't the president talking about that?"
Several seniors quizzed Sen. Kerry about the practice of penalizing Social Security recipients who have other sources of income, especially those who have lost their spouses or who worked for some time outside the Social Security system. Sen. Kerry replied that he and others are backing legislation to ease those cuts, which one city resident said were causing her to have to sell her home.
Dartmouth resident Robert Michaud made a case for private retirement accounts, charging that they have been shown to produce a better rate of return than Social Security. A person making $90,000 a year puts $12,000 into Social Security, he said. Raising that income cap "is not tweaking, it's a crime," he said.
Later in the day, Sen. Kerry attended a forum in Fall River discussing the Head Start program.

Steve Urbon can be reached at [e-mail].

[Just Me]

48. Crap!!! I shoulda' known better!!! Thanks for pointing that out.

Fuck. The right-wing out and out freakin' LIES. The OP clearly states that "Kerry" is the one intending to pursue impeachment. Those liars should be thumped!!! :grr:

Failed presidential candidate Kerry advised that he will begin the presentation of his case for President Bush’s impeachment to Congress, on Monday.


Bullshit!!! :grr:

[Stand and Fight]

50. Thanks.

PLEASE HELP SPREAD THE WORD TO COUNTER THE SPIN.

[Tigress DEM]

76. LOVE THIS PART!!!!

"I went back and reread the New Testament the other day, and I've got news for you. Nowhere in the three-year ministry of Jesus Christ is there any suggestion at all that you ought to take from the poor and give to the rich and leave children at risk," he said to a loud round of applause.


:patriot:


:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Pacifist Patriot]

84. Wouldn't it be too delicious if they bring it on inadvertently

in their attempt to spin away from it?

[Stand and Fight]

91. That, my friend...

That, my friend, is what they call poetic justice.

[Pacifist Patriot]

93. Beats the hell out of cowboy justice, doesn't it?

[Just Me]

101. *LOL* Oh yes,...that WOULD be delicious!!!

:bounce:

[bunkerbuster1]

9. Rovian frame is--bringing down Fearless Leader for defending the homeland

Note that the headline says Kerry's leading the way to impeachment.

Never mind that impeachment proceedings are actually initiated by the House, and not the Senate, and that Kerry's actually said no such thing.

Classic.

[tk2kewl]

10. The drumbeat is getting louder!

[Ladyhawk]

12. You guys...we RULE. :)

Keep pestering your Congress Critters. I wrote my rep. last night, hoping he's more than a useless Repthuglican:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3776059&mesg_id=3776059

I figure, what the hell? :shrug: He's there to pester, even if he is a Rethuglican.

[chknltl]

74. I e-mailed Sen. Kerry the day before his statement.

I wondered if he read those things so I waxed a bit creative in my post to him. If I recall I said something like: "Dear sir:
It seems like a lifetime ago when at the DNC you looked out at the audience, America and into my soul, saluted and said "John Kerry, Reporting for Duty" Well Sir, with all due respect, I don't recall accepting your resignation. General Washington suffered many setbacks before he went on to lead his troops to what is now our American Heritage. I am learning on the Internet how American Democracy is being taken from us. The news media are held in check, I fear the Internet may be next. If that happens we are lost. I am sure that you know by now about Rep. Conyers and his work with the Downing Street Memo. Could you possibly lend him your support and get the impeachment ball rolling?"
I said a bit more, I spoke precisely how I felt, I am not sure he read my e-mail out of all the others which I am sure he must have gotten from us, but after reading this latest release from Sen. Kerry, I am feeling pretty good about now. We are doing the right thing.

[zippy890]

86. I e-mailed Kerry last week too

:thumbsup:

[ET Awful]

16. It doesn't "purport" to include minutes, it IS THE MINUTES

These freakin' people just love to lie.

[Frederik]

17. "purports to include"

THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT HAS NOT DISPUTED THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE MINUTES! THEY ARE REAL! THERE'S NO PURPORTING GOING ON!

Just a message to the lurkers.

[BurtWorm]

40. Hey, I just sent a message like this directly to the wingers

The "memo" in question is actually the minutes of a meeting at the highest level of the British government, including Tony Blair and Jack Straw. It is not "purported" to be anything. It is the actual document that had been secret--top secret--until it was leaked to the Sunday Times for publication on the Sunday before the election. It was intended to harm Blair. If it had been false, he would have contested its authenticity. He did not do that. Instead he called it old news.

[MADem]

18. We get irritated at how slow things go, how long it all takes

But the people are stupid, and so many of them do not care...it's frustrating.

The timing is good, at least more people have SOME awareness of the DSM--for the longest time everyone assumed it was a love note from Blair, if anything!

[tmorelli415]

20. It's time to r-r-r-r-r-ummble!!!

Keep pushing hard and don't back down on this for one moment! Things are finally starting to happen. And I think we should take it as a compliment that they mentioned us among the 'bad guys' - it doesn't get any better than that! It is a conservative rag and the piece is full of inaccuracies but it shows that they know this is serious. As to Kerry, it seems an exaggeration as he said he was goint to 'bring it up' - not propose impeachment. The rats are running from the flood and they are getting wild eyed and confused.

[dhinojosa]

21. Not without some great wins in 2006!!!!

Do it!

[Botany]

22. This does not pass the smell test ....

....As reported by NewsMax......

Google newsmax ........ Freeper's paper

[bunkerbuster1]

24. of course not.

They're the ones claming that Kerry wants to "impeach" the Preznit, not Kerry.

Calm down people. We're just taking their bait. Sheesh.

I'm delighted that Kerry is publicizing the Downing Street minutes, but let's not allow Unca Karl to frame this one.

[Stand and Fight]

43. Thank you...

Sometimes people here fall right into the right-wing traps. For all the talk about the Republicans being idiots, sometimes I am given cause to wonder. :evilgrin:

[marylanddem]

23. Impeachment Will Happen

I think the breaking point has been reached, at long last. You can feel the shift, like when Nixon was about to get his.

[BrotherBuzz]

49. Gerald Ford's words preclude an impeachment....

Representative Gerald Ford declared: "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history." in an unsuccessful attempt to impeach Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas in 1960.

Now, just who rules that pesky House of Representatives?

[Stand and Fight]

26. Lies!

Fucking lies -- Kerry never once said he was going to do any such thing. The spin has begun!

[sabra]

30. It's on in full force

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3776411&mesg_id=3776411

[Stand and Fight]

46. Help me put out the fire!

This is nuts! :crazy:

[Brotherjohn]

29. Wow. the Conservative Voice are real crack journalists!

Crack-POT, is more like it.

The "story" says Kerry said he will bring up the Downing Street minutes, and that Nader called for impeachment. Those two things DID actually happen.

Then, they pull this one out of thin air : "Failed presidential candidate Kerry advised that he will begin the presentation of his case for President Bush’s impeachment to Congress, on Monday."

I can only assume they are referring to his statement about bringing up the DSM to the Senate... nowhere has he said anything about impeachment (Oh, and I like the way they say the story is being "carried" on DU, as though this were a news site or something).

This reminds me of when Hillary Clinton says that because of tax cuts, we have less money to fight terror. The Newsmax headline said: "Hillary Clinton Blames 9-11 on Bush Tax Cuts!" (or something like that).

And people get all up in Newsweek's face! you know, for only having ONE highly placed government source specifically verify a small part of a story, one that has been alleged in many other reports.

Sheesh! What morans!

[FreedomAngel82]

94. I can't wait until

Monday and when Kerry doesn't mention impeachment. Ah. Imagine their brains exploding. :nuke:

[Brotherjohn]

98. They'll say he "flip-flopped". nt

[CottonBear]

33. Hold on folks: This is typical Rovian/freeper spin and lies .

This article is a load of crap. :grr:

[marylanddem]

35. The "i" word

Though Kerry may not have used the "i" word, and this may be spinning or outright lying, the important thing is that the word is coming out of the closet.

[pissed_American]

36. NO MORE BLOOD, DUBYA !!

Kerry should wear one of these.

COOL BUTTON

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39721&item=3978740734&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

[The Witch]

37. Kerry's the wrong person to do this

He will be crucified in the right-wing punditry for being sour-grapes and having it in for Bush for losing the presidential election.

Now. I don't care what they say and YOU don't care what they say, but we have seen how frighteningly effective these talking heads can be in getting stories/dissenters/whistle-blowers discredited in popular opinion.

I don't think Kerry should lead the charge. I think he should be part of it, but I'd prefer someone else (Boxer? Conyers? Who else would be interested?) to be the face of the investigation.

[sabra]

41. Rove is trying to make it a Kerry thing

it has been a Conyers thing, a DU thing, etc... Kerry is just potentially getting into the game now. Rove is looking to set him up to take down the DSM momentum (like you said).

[marylanddem]

42. Anybody using the "i" word would be crucified by the pundits, so

Whether it's Boxer, Conyers, Kerry or some other brave statesman or stateswoman, the important thing is that the impeachment rumbling is very real...

[Stand and Fight]

45. Good God, think...

Did you bother to do research before you started bashing Senator Kerry? Huh? Jaaassssuuus, people. Kerry never once even said the word impeachment.

Here is the article to which they're referring:

Kerry assails Bush on Iraq
Policies on Social Security, health care also draw fire
By STEVE URBON, Standard-Times senior correspondent

NEW BEDFORD -- Sen. John F. Kerry yesterday called on Americans to be more aware of the "bait and switch" Iraq war and the "hollowing out" of the Army in the pursuit of a mistaken policy.
In a swing through SouthCoast, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee attacked the priorities of the Republican Party and President Bush, elaborating on what they are sacrificing -- health care for children, infrastructure, Social Security -- in the pursuit of tax cuts.
"The Holy Grail of the Republican Party is a tax cut, whether or not we need it," he said in a meeting with The Standard-Times editorial board.
Sen. Kerry puzzled over the apparent lack of interest by Americans in the Iraq war and the near silence in the U.S. mass media about the so-called Downing Street Memo.
That leaked secret document, the minutes of a 2002 cabinet meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair, says bluntly that Mr. Bush had decided to attack Iraq long before going to Congress with the matter, and that "intelligence was being fixed around the policy."
It caused an uproar in Great Britain and badly hurt Mr. Blair in national elections but went almost unnoticed in the United States.
"When I go back (to Washington) on Monday, I am going to raise the issue," he said of the memo, which has not been disputed by either the British or American governments. "I think it's a stunning, unbelievably simple and understandable statement of the truth and a profoundly important document that raises stunning issues here at home. And it's amazing to me the way it escaped major media discussion. It's not being missed on the Internet, I can tell you that."
He questioned Americans' understanding of the war and the sense that criticism equals disloyalty, saying, "Do you think that Americans if they really understood it would feel that way knowing that on Election Day, 77 percent of Americans who voted for Bush believed that weapons of mass destruction had been found and 77 percent believe Saddam did 9/11? Is there a way for this to break through, ever?"
Earlier in the day, Sen. Kerry met in a "town hall"-style meeting with about 75 seniors, where he assailed the recently passed Medicare prescription drug benefit, the GOP's tax cuts for wealthy Americans and the attempts to privatize Social Security.
He said to the largely supportive group, "The next time one of those conservative senators or congressmen comes to you and starts talking to you about American values, I want you to look him in the eye and say, what is the value that is represented in providing the wealthiest people in America with a great big tax cut at the expense of the poorest people in the country?"
"I went back and reread the New Testament the other day, and I've got news for you. Nowhere in the three-year ministry of Jesus Christ is there any suggestion at all that you ought to take from the poor and give to the rich and leave children at risk," he said to a loud round of applause.
Invoking the legacy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the New Deal's "safety net," Sen. Kerry accused Mr. Bush and the GOP of misleading the public about Social Security and their intentions. "They're never telling the truth," he said.
"There were people who opposed Social Security in the '30s and '40s. There were people who voted against Medicare in the last quarter-century. And they're still there," he said.
He dismissed claims that Social Security will be bankrupt by 2042 or 2052, but "Medicare Part A does go bankrupt in 2020. Why isn't the president talking about that?"
Several seniors quizzed Sen. Kerry about the practice of penalizing Social Security recipients who have other sources of income, especially those who have lost their spouses or who worked for some time outside the Social Security system. Sen. Kerry replied that he and others are backing legislation to ease those cuts, which one city resident said were causing her to have to sell her home.
Dartmouth resident Robert Michaud made a case for private retirement accounts, charging that they have been shown to produce a better rate of return than Social Security. A person making $90,000 a year puts $12,000 into Social Security, he said. Raising that income cap "is not tweaking, it's a crime," he said.
Later in the day, Sen. Kerry attended a forum in Fall River discussing the Head Start program.

Steve Urbon can be reached at [e-mail].

Where in the hell does it say that he's calling for impeachment?!? Right -- it doesn't.

:crazy:

Gullible is not a word in the dictionary... :eyes:

[The Witch]

106. It isn't? Really?

;)

Think before you freak out on me. I'm not Kerry-bashing. I love Kerry to death. Hell, I once wrote a little Kerry/Edwards slash...

The truth is that we are all hoping this leads to impeachment. Now the pundits are already suggesting "bringing it up" = "going for impeachment." If Kerry leads the charge he will look like he's going for impeachment regardless of his real intentions (stated or not). I think that Kerry should put something out to his e-mail list (in the multiple millions, no?) asking them to sign Rep. Conyers' letter and to support Senator Fillintheblank when they bring up the topic. That way the election can't get in the way of the truth. Shouldn't we pick the least muddyable path to get to our objective?

[second edition]

47. I think there use of the sore grapes line is getting old.

Kerry is carefully approaching this issue. It is well known that Kerry has been a major critic of the way Bush has positioned us for this war and the way he has conducted it. I think he (Kerry) has an obligation and the right to present the "minutes" and request answers.

[wtmusic]

51. Don't forget 47% of the American public think he should be president

right now.

He's the best person to do this.

[FreedomAngel82]

97. I wonder if that has

lowered though. :shrug:

[Pacifist Patriot]

109. Nah...

I think if anything it's higher.

[Pacifist Patriot]

108. I thinkyour percentage is a little low.

:)

[FreedomAngel82]

96. I think Kerry is the perfect person for this

They did steal the election from him, so why shouldn't he go after them? Plus he's dealt with the Bush family before and Bush has the same people practically from his father so Kerry has experience. BCCI and Iran/Contra for example. I trust him with this investigation. He's perfect for it. I'm sure he doesn't care about the "sore loser" crap. It's bullshit anyways. So what, he can't do anything without being labelded a "sore loser"? He's still a Senator and a prosecutor and he has to do his job whether they like it or not. So they can shove it.

[valis]

52. yeah, right...

[Eloriel]

59. that's kinda my take on the whole thing

Plus, I'm thinking making a speech on the senate floor -- or the House, for that matter -- is a little like speaking in a vacuum. The sounds just doesn't carry.

We'll see.

[HeeBGBz]

53. Woo Hoo! Do it, John!

Conyers and Kerry! Kick his lame "Impeach Me" ass.

[wtmusic]

54. Great publicity

"What's this 'Downing Street Memo' everyone is talking about?"

If the GOP wants to introduce impeachment into the American consciousness, we should thank them for their thoughtful assistance.

[fishnfla]

55. Did Blair say that or was he told ?

Did Blair say the admin fixed the intell, as this article states?

I thought some minister told him

[Goblinmonger]

56. Two sides to this--Sort it out

Make sure that we are happy that Kerry is bringing this up on the Senate floor.

Make sure that we are pissed that, again, the Repugs are acting like fucking liars and saying Kerry wants to impeach. Should be interesting to see what O'Piley does with the on the "No-Spin" Zone.

[marylanddem]

61. We are very very happy

that Kerry plans to bring this up on the Senate floor. It is scaring the shi* out of them. That's good. That's a good thing. Go Johnny Go!

[Goblinmonger]

63. I agree

I think I had a tiny orgasm when I read that he will bring it to the floor of the Senate. :smoke:

[Junkdrawer]

57. What does Kerry say about this? Are they trying to bait Kerry?

:shrug:

[Norquist Nemesis]

60. In shock, really

But I sure hope Kerry doesn't stand on the floor of the Senate and use Newsmax as a source. I like Newsmax, but it's not of the level of credibility as the Boston Globe, NYT, WaPO, etc.

[bunny planet]

64. This make me very nervous. Kerry is merely going to present the

minutes on the Senate floor. He's said nothing about impeachment (yet) as far as I know. This seems like the beginning of a right wing ploy to smear the story and 'reframe' it before it even becomes known by most of the public. We need to be aware of what kind of a trap they might be planning for us.

This does not mean of course that I'm not 100% for Kerry bringing this story out into the open on the Senate floor on Monday. Looks like Rove might have to have the MJ jury give their verdict at the same time to distract from this.

[TayTay]

104. What can come of a floor speech -- call for hearings

This is but one speech. And I am beyond thrilled that Kerry is doing this. But it is a small step, not the tipping point.

I expect (and I could be wrong, who died and elected me Gawd) that Kerry will use this as an occasion to call for Congress to exercise their oversight powers and hold some friggin hearings. The cowardly Rethugs in Congress are afraid that if they show any weakness and actually try to hold the Admin accountable for their lies, misuse of power, failure to account for missing funds and equipment and gross mismanagement of the entire war they will be seen as disloyal to that idiot in charge.

Remember, during the campaign, lots of horrible things about this Admin and their bungled war effort came out. There were no WMD, the aluminum tubes that Condi said were the right size only for nukes, weren't the right size at all and so forth. So be happy that someone is showing some balls and bringing this up, but the Rethugs still hold all the cards and will try and ignore it. They don't want to hold hearings ever. They have everything to lose and nothing to gain.

Kerry should call for the Dems to hold their own hearings (even if they don't have subpoena powers.) Then he can show up for the hearings and make some points that might get on the news. But the press is not wild about this story. Don't forget, they were cheerleaders in the war effort and any questioning that gets too close indicts them as well. So be happy, and also be part of the 'reality-based community.' as well. Don't expect much will happen after a Monday floor speech. If Kerry seconds Rep Conyers call for an investigation and can get some other high-level Senate Dems (Kennedy, Clinton, Reid, etc) to support oversight hearings, then that would be un-frickin-believable. Monday would be another baby-step for progress in bringing forward the truth.

[leftchick]

66. NEWSMAX: Kerry Touts Bush Impeachment Memo

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/3/00901.shtml

~snip~

"I think it's a stunning, unbelievably simple and understandable statement of the truth and a profoundly important document that raises stunning issues here at home," the top Democrat added.
The Downing Street Memo, first reported on May 1 by the London Times, was drafted by a Matthew Rycroft, a foreign policy aide to Prime Minister Tony Blair. It is said to be minutes of a July 2002 meeting where Blair allegedly admitted that the Bush administration "fixed" Iraq intelligence to manufacture a rationale for war.

Citing the Downing Street Memo, former presidential candidate Ralph Nader called for an impeachment investigation on Tuesday in an op-ed piece published by the Boston Globe.

"It is time for Congress to investigate the illegal Iraq war as we move toward the third year of the endless quagmire that many security experts believe jeopardizes US safety by recruiting and training more terrorists," wrote Nader with co-author Kevin Zeese. "A Resolution of Impeachment would be a first step."

[Tigress DEM]

68. Yeah Baby! Go Kerry, Go Kerry, backing Conyers up in MSM!!!

HOOOO HOOO!

We need all of them, but Kerry is mucho important because much of our "silence" has been attributed to him.

[redqueen]

69. I love the way "The Conservative Voice" has LIED in their headline.

Idiot republicons love being lied to, I suppose.

[AngryAmish]

77. Impeach the scum

March them out of the White House and make them do a perp walk. Crush them into dust.

[Generator]

78. Those lying scummy bastards know they are guilty! Oh big smile frm me!

[FreedomAngel82]

79. Most definitetly interesting

I'm excited. Ah the spin already. Notice how they first call it a memo. It's not a memo. Second they call him a "failed persidential nominee." :eyes: That's like saying George Bush is a hypocrite. Oh wait he is.

[insane_cratic_gal]

85. If he gets impeached does that

mean Cheney becomes the "legit" president shit he makes most of the calls anyway.

I think he's more dangerous then shrub, and probably released the downing street memo himself (lol I wouldn't put it past him)

how do we get rid of both of them?

[Pacifist Patriot]

89. Constitutionally, both offices may be impeached.

There is nothing to stop Congress from going after both of them...theoretically. Of course that gives us President Hastert. For the time being...it would certainly position the Democrats quite well in 2008. An impeachment trial has the potential to devastate the Republicans. If it took place at all it would mean they've already experienced a break in party loyalty.

[smartvoter]

92. President Hastert... nt

[FreedomAngel82]

100. I think you have to get them all

All of them are guilty of crimes. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rice, Rumsfeld. Jail them all together in a cell in the very bottom of the basement and then we can swear in Kerry and Edwards. :)

[Pacifist Patriot]

87. What I would love to see from the floor is

Kerry bring up this spin and address it head on.

"I never said I would be pushing for impeachment based on this document, but if the GOP is suggesting this is grounds for impeachment I certainly cannot disagree with them."

[sabra]

88. Send that to Kerry, that's good stuff!

[laundry_queen]

105. This is exactly what he needs to say.

"I never said I would be pushing for impeachment based on this document, but if the GOP is suggesting this is grounds for impeachment I certainly cannot disagree with them."

Spin it back!! Don't let them get away with this!

[LuPeRcALiO]

90. If they want to impeach their Chimperor in the press, fine.

Save us the trouble.

p.s. Kerry knows how to avoid their little trap.

[rucky]

95. I thought impeachement was reserved for serious offenses...

like bj's.

[OrlandoGator]

99. The headline has nothing to do with the body of the article.

Nowhere in the article does it say that Kerry is pushing for impeachment.

[Stand and Fight]

103. Ummm.... The last line, buddy

It's in black and white:
"Failed presidential candidate Kerry advised that he will begin the presentation of his case for President Bush’s impeachment to Congress, on Monday."

[OrlandoGator]

115. The use of the word "failed" is pretty obvious spin.

Whatever. These guys are fucking toast.

[lonestarnot]

102. Hope it's a week like no other!

[WI_DEM]

107. Thank you, Senator Kerry, you may get my vote yet for '08

if you keep doing what you've been doing since the election.

[bpilgrim]

111. Bring it ON!

wooHoo :bounce:

they are AFRAID OF US and calling us out by name now - lol thanks for the free press :toast:

we are a FORCE to be reckoned with!

thank GORE he 'INVENTED' the INTERNETs ;->

peace

[jarnocan]

112. NEW impeach petition!!! Please read sign

http://elandslide.org/elandslide/petition.cfm?campaign=impeach&refer=home

...The President and Vice President undertook aggressive war under cover of a pre-emptive first strike, ...
They also violated US law and the US Constitution in July 2002 by taking $700 million from funds Congress appropriated for the war in Afghanistan, and secretly diverting them to prepare for an unauthorized war in Iraq.
...On May 1, 2005, the Times of London published the secret "Downing Street Memo" of July 23, 2002, which proves President Bush decided to invade Iraq long before he sought authority from Congress - and then "fixed" the intelligence to create a climate of fear to "sell" the war....
and send the ORANGE post cards a step beyond a virtual march on Washington DC. http://jarnocan.blogspot.com Also some folks are talking about an impeachment theme demonstration on July 4th!

[BigBearJohn]

113. Even if he didn't plan on it, If this PUSHES Kerry to try impeach Bush

all the better

[BigBearJohn]

114. Answer to Kerry being called LOSER: "yeah, I lost 1700 lives OVER A * LIE!

[LittleClarkie]

116. Newsmax uses the word impeachment

Nothing in the original story uses that word. Kerry didn't use it. The Massachusetts newspaper didn't either.

Newsmax isn't exactly the most trustworthy publication, is it? But what would be the purpose of distorting this?