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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:02 AM
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The Right-Wing Spin has Begun -- Kerry is NOT Calling for Impeachment.

The Right-Wing Spin Machine is working overtime to distort an important issue before it comes to the floor of the Senate. Consider this outlandish article that outright lies and says Kerry is leading the fight for Bush's impeachment:



Breaking News : Kerry To Push For Bush Impeachment
Posted by News Reporter on 2005/6/3 10:29:52
By Sher Zieve

John Kerry announced Thursday that he intends to present Congress with The Downing Street Memo, reported by the London Times 1 May 2005. As reported by NewsMax, the memo purports to include minutes from a July 2002 meeting with Tony Blair, in which Blair ostensibly said that President Bush’s Administration “fixed” intelligence on Iraq in order to justify the Iraqi war. In an interview with the Standard Times, Kerry said: "It's amazing to me the way it escaped major media discussion. It's not being missed on the Internet, I can tell you that."

The Boston Globe published an article by Ralph Nader, Tuesday, in which Nader also called for President Bush’s impeachment. The story is being carried on Michael Moore’s website and the Democratic Underground. Failed presidential candidate Kerry advised that he will begin the presentation of his case for President Bush’s impeachment to Congress, on Monday.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6057

Then read the actual article from yesterday to see the obvious spin they've put on it:


Kerry assails Bush on Iraq
Policies on Social Security, health care also draw fire
By STEVE URBON, Standard-Times senior correspondent

NEW BEDFORD -- Sen. John F. Kerry yesterday called on Americans to be more aware of the "bait and switch" Iraq war and the "hollowing out" of the Army in the pursuit of a mistaken policy.
In a swing through SouthCoast, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee attacked the priorities of the Republican Party and President Bush, elaborating on what they are sacrificing -- health care for children, infrastructure, Social Security -- in the pursuit of tax cuts.
"The Holy Grail of the Republican Party is a tax cut, whether or not we need it," he said in a meeting with The Standard-Times editorial board.
Sen. Kerry puzzled over the apparent lack of interest by Americans in the Iraq war and the near silence in the U.S. mass media about the so-called Downing Street Memo.
That leaked secret document, the minutes of a 2002 cabinet meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair, says bluntly that Mr. Bush had decided to attack Iraq long before going to Congress with the matter, and that "intelligence was being fixed around the policy."
It caused an uproar in Great Britain and badly hurt Mr. Blair in national elections but went almost unnoticed in the United States.
"When I go back (to Washington) on Monday, I am going to raise the issue," he said of the memo, which has not been disputed by either the British or American governments. "I think it's a stunning, unbelievably simple and understandable statement of the truth and a profoundly important document that raises stunning issues here at home. And it's amazing to me the way it escaped major media discussion. It's not being missed on the Internet, I can tell you that."
He questioned Americans' understanding of the war and the sense that criticism equals disloyalty, saying, "Do you think that Americans if they really understood it would feel that way knowing that on Election Day, 77 percent of Americans who voted for Bush believed that weapons of mass destruction had been found and 77 percent believe Saddam did 9/11? Is there a way for this to break through, ever?"
Earlier in the day, Sen. Kerry met in a "town hall"-style meeting with about 75 seniors, where he assailed the recently passed Medicare prescription drug benefit, the GOP's tax cuts for wealthy Americans and the attempts to privatize Social Security.
He said to the largely supportive group, "The next time one of those conservative senators or congressmen comes to you and starts talking to you about American values, I want you to look him in the eye and say, what is the value that is represented in providing the wealthiest people in America with a great big tax cut at the expense of the poorest people in the country?"
"I went back and reread the New Testament the other day, and I've got news for you. Nowhere in the three-year ministry of Jesus Christ is there any suggestion at all that you ought to take from the poor and give to the rich and leave children at risk," he said to a loud round of applause.
Invoking the legacy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the New Deal's "safety net," Sen. Kerry accused Mr. Bush and the GOP of misleading the public about Social Security and their intentions. "They're never telling the truth," he said.
"There were people who opposed Social Security in the '30s and '40s. There were people who voted against Medicare in the last quarter-century. And they're still there," he said.
He dismissed claims that Social Security will be bankrupt by 2042 or 2052, but "Medicare Part A does go bankrupt in 2020. Why isn't the president talking about that?"
Several seniors quizzed Sen. Kerry about the practice of penalizing Social Security recipients who have other sources of income, especially those who have lost their spouses or who worked for some time outside the Social Security system. Sen. Kerry replied that he and others are backing legislation to ease those cuts, which one city resident said were causing her to have to sell her home.
Dartmouth resident Robert Michaud made a case for private retirement accounts, charging that they have been shown to produce a better rate of return than Social Security. A person making $90,000 a year puts $12,000 into Social Security, he said. Raising that income cap "is not tweaking, it's a crime," he said.
Later in the day, Sen. Kerry attended a forum in Fall River discussing the Head Start program.

Steve Urbon can be reached at surbon@s-t.com.
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/06-05/06-02-05/a01lo167.htm

Here is the original DU thread on the above article:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1516892 (Title: Kerry assails Bush on Iraq)


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Fellow members of DU, I need your help. We must do all that we can to ensure that Senator Kerry's efforts on Monday are not blighted by right-wing lies and spin. This clearly represents an attempt to smear Senator Kerry bringing up the Downing Street Minutes, and it is imperative that we counter the lies before they fully mature. If we allow this to carry forward unhindered then we are only aiding the enemy. Speak truth to power and email everyone you know about the fallacies of the right-wing spin machine on this issue before it really gets going. Please, we MUST stop this in its tracks to have Kerry's message truly resonate with the American people. Please.


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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:04 AM
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1. hey it's not Kerry, it's "failed presidential candidate" Kerry!
btw, I have been tracking the spin, and it's really starting to pump now.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:04 AM
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2. Uhhhh... I'd rather he DID try to impeach
But, that's just me - apparently.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:07 AM
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5. That's the idea behind their story. If they can get us "infighting"
because "Kerry didn't do enough" they win. Prepare for sour leftists on Monday to claim 'WAAAAAAAAH, KERRY LET ME DOWN, he didn't say the *I* word. It's all part of the Right Wing game.

We should be proud of Kerry for what he's about to do Monday, let's take this one.step.at.a.time.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:11 AM
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11. It's also their way of rallying their base to the trenches to protect Bush
no matter what. The focus will be on protecting Bush and not on anything that is in the documents.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #5
19. Thank you Molly!
I'm glad you've got it. Now please do help me enlighten people! :yourock:
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:08 AM
Response to Reply #5
40. EXCELLENT post.
Should be required reading for some of the above-named sour leftists around here.

This is vital! We need to stand behind Kerry 100%!!!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #40
45. Really. Well-stated! Behind Senator Kerry 100 percent.
Let's STICK together, now!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:09 AM
Response to Reply #5
47. That is right.
Our position should never be a reaction to the right wing. Your post is a fine example of the proper way to respond.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:17 AM
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23. Patience, patience...
What's the use of him trying now and failing for sure... You have to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. We know Bush and his whole damn crew are guily, and likewise, we also know just how ignorant and uninformed the majority of Americans are about this issue. Impeachment can happen -- just not overnight and without hard work. Will you work for it or expect it to be handed to us?
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 12:24 PM
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36. Dear President Kerry, since you are looking into the memo . . .
why not go all the way? Remember your thorough and well executed investigations of the past into BCCI, and Iran Contra/CIA and how it all lead to the Bush crime family? Amazing how the Bush crime family's influence and fingers are into everything. Want to know who really had JFK assasinated? Watch the DVD "JFK2."

JFKII (video/DVD):
http://www.jfkii.com/

DVDs on 9-11 and JFK assasination (Bush Crime Family connection):
http://www.rbnlive.com/videodvd.html
Reviews about JFK2 and free downloads:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread135335/pg1

Eyeopening. Wasn't Bush senior in a very instrumental position in the CIA then?

The Bush Administration is a house of cards ready to fall big time.

You think lying about how early they really decided to go to war, and what their reasons for going to war were (all based on fabrication and a pack of lies)is big time and impeachable? Yea, you're right it is. You think stealing 2 elections was difficult? It was a walk in the park for these evil-doers. But why not follow the evidence all the way and try them for treason and murder? 9-11 was an inside job. Follow the ampel evidence. As Deep Throat said, "follow the money."

I personally have just woken-up to this reality. I couldn't wrap my head around this for the longest time. But the science, the physics of it not happening the way they officially said it did convinced me. Measurable physical evidence and facts don't lie. The evidence is overwhelming. The 9-11 Commission Report was a white-wash. Go for where this round of crimes really begins . . .

Q: How were they ever going to get the American public fired-up and ready to go to war? A: 9-11 had to happen. The Bush Administration made it happen. They got their war, pipeline, oil fields, military bases, corporate war profiteering, and a radical fascist right wing neo-con government, Patriot Act and so much more. What are thousands of lives worth to these people? Nothing.

:nuke:

Here is a start:

Coalition of Scientists and Engineers look at the Evidence of 911 (Great Resource):
http://www.physics911.net

Hunt and Spot the Boeing! Test your perception (French Site):
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

"Pentagon Strike" --- a Video describing the Pentagon attack (very good):
http://www.neiu.edu/~ayjamess/hmmm.htm#Main
http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/

NYFD Firemen discuss explosions prior to WTC towers collapsing:
http://www.letsroll911.org/discussion_in_firehouse.mpg
http://www.letsroll911.org

"9-11 in Plane Site: The Director's Cut" (video/DVD):
http://www.911inplanesite.com/
Article:
http://www.911inplanesite.com/911article.htm

David Ray Griffin, author, at Madison Univ.(full speech):
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/download/griffin_madison_full_25.wmv

Google, search, read, study and learn. The 9-11 truth movement is happening . . . how long have we been sleeping?

:wow:
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:05 AM
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3. kick
:kick:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:12 AM
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13. They will make Kerry pay
for making them work on a weekend.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:06 AM
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4. Super-simple counter-spin
"John Kerry has not mentioned the "I" word, nor is he calling for impeachment. Obviously some people in the Republican Party fear the minutes of this meeting being divulged will reveal an impeachable offense committed by Mr. Cheney and Mr. Bush. They're spinning of this as a call for impeachment demonstrates the fear they have that impeachable offenses were committed."
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:09 AM
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7. That's a great way to frame it. I also like the phrase "Super-Simple
Counter-Spin". I'll have to remember that. SSCS. It should be a technical term.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:15 AM
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20. All you do is spin the spin back into line with the truth.
:evilgrin:

Super-Simple-Counter-Spin.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:08 AM
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6. Im confused. Is he going to push impeachment or not? nt
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:11 AM
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12. Read the articles....
HE HAS NEVER SAID THAT -- they're attempting to lodge in the fragile American mind that he is going to take this drastic step. Senator Kerry has NOT said that he is going to push for impeachment. He has called out the sickening truth about the MSM not reporting about the Downing Street Minutes and that he is going to bring it up on the Senate floor. No where has he said he is pushing for or going to push for impeachment.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:10 AM
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8. Why isn't EVERY Democratic senator calling for impeachment?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #8
56. You only need one of Kerry's stature to get the ball rolling.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:10 AM
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9. The repukeliKKKans own everything......
especially the media. All the kicking and screaming we can do will never be heard. We are silenced by a rightwingnut dictatorship and a rightwing loving,suck ass media.The only thing we seem to accomplish is passing information around on the internetS....and the repuke bastards go on with their criminal activities unscathed. It's frustrating beyond words,but that is the way it is. Nothing will ever happen to bu$h and his thugs because our Democrats in congress and senate don't care enough. They all seem to turn their damn heads and ignore it all. Phucking bastards....ALL of them. :grr:
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:13 AM
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15. They'll care if you quit your bitching and light a fire under their asses.
They'll care if you quit your bitching and light a fire under their asses. Enough of the naysaying -- people need to kick these SOBs in Washington in the britches and let them know we're watching.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:01 PM
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51. They do not own the internet...yet.
A critical pillar of Democracy is an informed electorate. You are almost right when you say that "they" own the news media. The internet is still a viable source of information for all who are willing to look. Current developments with the Downing Street Memo/Minutes phenomena is proof that this new form of the Democratic process is alive and working. Put into historical perspective, the internet may be our Valley Forge, there is despair aplenty in our ranks, but we still have some fight left in us. Many on this thread have pointed out that we need to work together, I AGREE! Refocus those feelings of dispair brother, Democracy needs YOU. :patriot:
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:10 AM
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10. I figured that they would try and portray Kerry as a "sore loser."
Also, I am waiting for the "how can the dems call for impeachment when this country is at war" spin. The rethugs use the war and the war on 'terra as an excuse for everything...why not this??
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:12 AM
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14. Thanks for spelling it out
for the visiting morans.

:hi:
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:14 AM
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17. I'm happy to do so... Hopefully they wake the hell up!
Stoopid morans!
:hi:
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:13 AM
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16. I'm sure I will be dizzy from the spin. It has begun!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:14 AM
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18. Impeachments occur in the House...
... you stupid, fucking media whores! Perhaps if they read the Constitution before commenting on it.

As far as being a failed candidate, don't blame me, my vote wasn't counted!
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #18
37. Incredible how they gloss over the facts, huh? n/t
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:15 AM
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21. They should be hammered!!!!
LIARS!!!! :grr:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:16 AM
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22. to bad kerry didn`t call the "bait and switch" on
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 11:18 AM by madrchsod
the ohio vote count. but he did not do anything "for the good of the country" ya thanks big john. maybe some of those lawyers that were supposed to go into ohio could have found out alot more than voter fraud , maybe all those coins that were "lost".untraceable pay off money for fixing election? no that couldn`t happen now could it.sorry john you had your chance and now you are just another failed democrat.....
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:21 AM
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27. Focus, focus... Stop the damn senseless Kerry bashing for once!
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 11:32 AM by Stand and Fight
Jesus, your pettiness is sickening. Enough already. I cannot believe how long people hold grudges here sometimes and yet style themselves as progressives! How the hell are you progressing if you're continually focused on the past? Get over it -- we have work to do now! 2006 is right around the corner and the Downing Street Minutes will only fade if we don't keep our eyes on the prize. Stay focused.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:29 AM
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32. Here! here!
Hey-I've read every sickening horrid word about John Kerry there is. It's not exactly original. I think I can quote them all verbatim. It's tired. It's going to be 2006 and 2007 and 2008 and we have one moment to TRY and change history. It's not 2004 anymore.

John Kerry, Conyers, Dean, Boxer these are what we've got. They are the last stand for democracy. THEM and US.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #27
41. Amen amen amen
Thank you Stand and Fight.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #27
52. Well put
:patriot: and keep on fighting the good fight.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 02:13 PM
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38. Just another person to ignore.
Thanks.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:18 AM
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24. Well, let's help the pResident clear his good name by thoroughly
airing out the exact content of the minutes. :evilgrin:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:19 AM
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25. Having suffered a minor setback with their Impeachment overreach...
they're trying to preempt Impeachment by setting up an 'overreach' talking point.

Kind of like any questioner of the official 9-11 story is immediately met with "So are you accusing the President of attacking his own country?".
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:19 AM
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26. He shouldn't have given advance notice. They're defusing his bomb. nt
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:25 AM
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29. I was saying that yesterday...
He should have just has a press conference set up after presenting it on the Senate floor. He will only fail in this if we fail to counter the spin. We must be the FORCE, we must be the FORCE.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:21 AM
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28. John Kerry is too smart
To say impeachment now. Ralph Nader has nothing to lose. John Kerry is going to work to build forces to get the most out of what there is. The fact that he isn't saying impeachment-hah! I just had a smile. It's like putting out an article "there is no God."

Then why are you even discussing it?

It's out there folks. Mark the date- June 3rd, 2005. It's in the consciousness.

May 1st it was just a known thing on the internets and of course, in the rest of the world that has a true fee media.

Let's pray it's just the first ripple in the pond.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 04:35 PM
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50. JK will have all of his ducks in a row before calling for impeachment.
There will be those who question his strategy but they are just spinning their wheels.

He's a proven leader.:patriot:
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:27 AM
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30. Kerry's, timing was EVERYTHING
Republicans start running articles in the Conservative papers,I think we will get more support from the Honest Republicans , now that they know there is a way out of the mess in the White House.

These people in the White House do not compare to any Republicans I've ever met.

I hope their articles, backfire on them.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:29 AM
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31. You and me both, kster, you and me both. n/t
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:37 AM
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33. It really concerns me what the * administration and the
Edited on Fri Jun-03-05 11:39 AM by tex-wyo-dem
powers that be might be willing to do to diffuse this situation, for if GWB gets impeached or even just highly damaged by the DSM then the PNACers can probably kiss away --

President Cheney
- or -
President Pickles
- or -
President Jeb
- or -
President anyone else closely associated with this criminal administration.

They will be fighting very, very hard -- just how hard and what they will be forced to do is the scary part.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:37 AM
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34. kick
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 11:45 AM
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35. Kick and nominated. n/t
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 05:57 PM
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39. I think their flub is going to give wings to national media attention
Impeach? Impeach for what? Downing St. Memo? What's that?
No shit! There's a memo?! Ooops!
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:13 AM
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42. Expected. As Ghandi would say. . .
"First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --
M Gandhi

We are no longer being ignored (completely). That's a step forward.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:16 AM
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43. The right and Kerry with the DSM is...
making them a tad nervous, huh? He hung in with Iran-Contra like a bulldog, hope he holds this memo like a pit bull. Hang in there Kerry, go for it. This administration and their corruption stinks to high heaven. Somebody needs to make a move, ignore the spin.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:24 AM
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44. Kerry's got Bush by the neck and will turn him "every which way but loose"
:patriot: :woohoo: :patriot: John Kerry reporting for duty.
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:07 PM
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55. I've been waiting six months...
for John Kerry to report for duty. If an unjust war and a stolen election isn't enough, I will consider him permanently AWOL.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:04 AM
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46. This is GREAT!
Let 'em spin!
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 08:37 AM
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48. .
:kick:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 03:59 PM
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49. kick
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 08:25 PM
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53. Kick into Monday
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 08:47 PM
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54. Amerika is NOT at War.
The Bush Regime is occupying two countries. If the Occupation ended there would be no more U.S. troops killed &/or maimed in these two countries.

The invasions were not necessary nor are the Occupations. The Iraq Invasion was illegal and so is the Occupation.
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