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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 11:08 AM
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Revelations about Racism in the Military - Witness to War Crimes



Aiden Delgado, an Army Reservist in the 320th Military Police Company, served in Iraq from April 1st, 2003 through April 1st, 2004. After spending six months in Nasiriyah in Southern Iraq, he spent six months helping to run the now-infamous Abu Ghraib prison outside of Baghdad.

The handsome 23-year-old mechanic was a witness to widespread, almost daily, U.S. war crimes in Iraq. His story contains new revelations about ongoing brutality at Abu Ghraib, information yet to be reported in national media.

I first met Delgado in a classroom at Acalanes High School in Lafayette, California, where he presented a slide show on the atrocities that he himself observed in Southern and Northern Iraq. Delgado acknowledged that the U.S. military did some good things in Iraq. “We deposed Saddam, built some schools and hospitals,” he said. But he focused his testimony on the breakdown of moral order within the U.S. military, a pattern of violence and terror that exceeds the bounds of what is legally and morally permissible in time of war.

Delgado says he observed mutilation of the dead, trophy photos of dead Iraqis, mass roundups of innocent noncombatants, positioning of prisoners in the line of fire – all violations of the Geneva conventions. His own buddies – decent, Christian men, as he describes them – shot unarmed prisoners.



In one government class for seniors, Delgado presented graphic images, his own photos of a soldier playing with a skull, the charred remains of children, kids riddled with bullets, a soldier from his unit scooping out the brains of a prisoner. Some students were squeamish, like myself, and turned their heads. Others rubbed tears from their eyes. But at the end of the question period, many expressed appreciation for opening a subject that is almost taboo. “If you are old enough to go to war,” Delgado said, “you are old enough to know what really goes on.”



It is a rare moment when American students, who play video war games more than baseball, are exposed to the realities of occupation. Delgado does not name names. Nor does he want to denigrate soldiers or undermine morale. He seeks to be a conscience for the military, and he wants Americans to take ownership of the war in all its tragic totality.

Aiden Delgado did not grow up in the United States. His father was a U.S. diplomat. Aiden lived in Thailand and Senegal, West Africa. He spent seven years in Cairo, Egypt, where he became fluent in Arabic and developed a deep appreciation of Arab culture.

On September 11th, 2001, completely unaware of the day’s fateful events, Delgado enlisted in the Army, expecting to serve two days a month in the Reserves. When he turned on the television, he realized instantly that his whole world had changed.

After he joined the Army, Delgado began to read the Sutras. He became a Buddhist, a vegetarian, and eventually became a Conscientious Objector. Delgado was honorably discharged when he returned home. Delgado earned four service medals which, he says, are standard awards. He faced criticism from the Army when he began to speak out about military conduct in Iraq. Don Schwartz, spokesman for the Army in Washington, D.C., said that Delgado should have reported any wrongdoing to Army personnel. “He should have reported first to his boss, his commander. That is the standard way the chain of command works.”

When I interviewed Delgado recently, he expressed his deep love of his country, but he also insisted that racism – a major impetus to violence in American history – is driving the occupation, infecting the entire military operation in Iraq.

Delgado’s testimony tends to confirm the message of Chris Hedges, the New York Times war correspondent who wrote prior to the invasion of Iraq: “War forms its own culture. It distorts memory, corrupts language, and infects everything around it.... War exposes the capacity for evil that lurks not far below the surface within all of us. Even as war gives meaning to sterile lives, it also promotes killers and racists.”

Here is Aiden Delgado story.

Q: When did you begin to turn against the military and the war?

DELGADO: From the very earliest time I was in Iraq, I began to see ugly strains of racism among our troops—anti-Arab, anti-Muslim sentiments.



Q: What are some examples?

DELGADO: There was a Master Sergeant. A Master Sergeant is one of the highest enlisted ranks. He whipped this group of Iraqi children with a steel Humvee antenna. He just lashed them with it because they were crowding around, bothering him, and he was tired of talking. Another time, a Marine, a Lance Corporal – a big guy about six-foot-two – planted a boot on a kid’s chest, when a kid came up to him and asked him for a soda. The First Sergeant said, “That won’t be necessary Lance Corporal.” And that was the end of that. It was a matter of routine for guys in my unit to drive by in a Humvee and shatter bottles over Iraqis heads as they went by. And these were guys I considered friends. And I told them:“ What the hell are you doing? What does that accomplish?” One said back:“ I hate being here. I hate looking at them. I hate being surrounded by all these Hajjis.

Q: They refer to Iraqis as “Hajjis”?

DELGADO: “Hajji” is the new slur, the new ethnic slur for Arabs and Muslims. It is used extensively in the military. The Arabic word refers to one who has gone on a pilgrimage to Mecca. But it is used in the military with the same kind of connotation as “gook,” “Charlie,” or the n-word. Official Army documents now use it in reference to Iraqis or Arabs. It’s real common. There was really a thick aura of racism.

Q: Were there any significant incidents besides racial slurs and casual violence against civilians?

DELGADO: The last mission I ran in the South before we were redeployed North was strange. I was told to drive way out into the desert, off the road. When we got there, we found Kuwaitis excavating a mass grave site (from the Saddam era). Kuwaiti engineers wanted to identify and repatriate the remains. It was a solemn affair. I was with the First Sergeant. He said: “Give me that skull. I want to hold the skull in my hands.” He picked up the skull, tossing it to himself. Then he turned to me and said: “Take my picture.” It was taken while he was standing by a mass grave. This was a very surreal, dark time for me in Iraq. It was tough for me to see brutality coming out of my own unit. I had lived in the Middle East. I had Egyptian friends. I spent nearly a decade in Cairo. I spoke Arabic, and I was versed in Arab culture and Islamic dress. Most of the guys in my unit were in complete culture shock most of the time. They saw the Iraqis as enemies. They lived in a state of fear. I found the Iraqis enormously friendly as a whole. One time I was walking through Nasiriyah with an armful of money, nadirs that were exchanged for dollars. I was able to walk 300 meters to my convoy – a U.S. soldier walking alone with money. And I thought: I am safer here in Iraq than in the states. I never felt threatened from people in the South.

Q: What happened when you moved North, before you reached Abu Ghraib?

DELGADO: We were a company of 141 Military Police. We gave combat support, followed behind units to take and hold prisoners. I was a mechanic. I fixed Humvees. We followed behind the Third Infantry division. It was heavily mechanized with lots of tanks and scout vehicles. We could trace their path by all the burned-out vehicles and devastation they left behind. The Third pretty much annihilated the Iraqi forces. Iraqis did not have much of an organized military. They had civilian vehicles, and they resisted pretty valiantly, given how much we outclassed them. The Third Infantry slaughtered them wholesale. We took so many prisoners, we couldn’t carry them all. Large numbers of civilians were caught in the crossfire.



Q: How were the civilians killed?

DELGADO: It was common practice to set up blockades. The Third Infantry would block off a road. In advance of the assault, civilians would flee the city in a panic. As they approached us, someone would yell: “Stop, stop!” In English. Of course they couldn’t understand. Their cars were blown up with cannons, or crushed with tanks. Killing noncombatants at checkpoints happened routinely, not only with the Third Infantry, but the First Marines. And it is still going on today. If you check last week’s MSNBC, they dug out a father and mother and her six children. We were constantly getting reports of vehicles that were destroyed (with people in them) at checkpoints.

Q: Your unit, the 320th Military Police, was stationed at Abu Ghraib for six months. Who were the prisoners at Abu Ghraib? Where did they come from? Do you have any new information not yet reported in the media?

DELGADO: There were 4,000 to 6,000 prisoners at Abu Ghraib. I got to work with a lot of officers, so I got to see the paperwork. I found out that a lot of prisoners were imprisoned for no crime at all. They were not insurgents. Some were inside for petty theft or drunkenness. But the majority – over sixty percent – were not imprisoned for crimes committed against the coalition.



Q: How did so many noncombatants get imprisoned?

DELGADO: Every time our base came under attack, we sent out teams to sweep up all men between the ages of 17 and 50. There were random sweeps. The paperwork to get them out of prison took six months or a year. It was hellish inside. A lot of completely innocent civilians were in prison camp for no offense. It sounds completely outrageous. But look at the 2005 Department of Defense Report, where it talks about prisoners.

Q: When you arrived at Abu Ghraib, what did you see, beyond what we all learned from the scandal in the news? And how were you affected?

DELGADO: I was becoming disillusioned. I expected brutality from the enemy. That was a given. But to see brutality from our own side, that was really tough for me. It was hard to see the army fall so much in my esteem. The prisoners were housed outside in tents, 60 to 80 prisoners per tent. It rained a lot. The detainees lived in the mud. It was freezing cold outside, and the prisoners had no cold-weather clothing. Our soldiers lived inside in cells, with four walls that protected us from the bombardment. The Military Police used the cold weather to control the prisoners. If there was an infraction, detainees would be removed from their tents. Next, their blankets were confiscated. Then even their clothing was taken away. Almost naked, in underwear, the POWs would huddle together on a platform outside to keep warm. There was overcrowding, and almost everyone got TB. Eighteen members of our unit who worked closely with the prisoners got TB too. The food was rotten and prisoners got dysentery. The unsanitary conditions, the debris and muck everywhere, the overcrowding in cold weather, led to disease, an epidemic, pandemic conditions. The attitude of the guards was brutal. To
them Iraqis were the scum of the earth. Detainees were beaten within inches of their life.


Q: Were any detainees killed?

DELGADO: More than 50 prisoners were killed.

Q: What happened?

DELGADO: The enemy around Baghdad randomly shelled our base. Under the Geneva Conventions, an occupying power cannot place protected persons in areas exposed to the hazards of war. More than 50 detainees were killed because they were housed outside in tents, directly in the line of fire, with no protection, nowhere to run. They were hemmed in by barbed wire. They were trapped, and they had to sit and wait and hope they would survive. I know what it was like because a single mortar round would flatten a whole line of tires on the Humvees, a whole line of windshields. That’s how I thought about the damage because I was the mechanic who had to replace the windshields. So the mortar bombardments killed and wounded many prisoners.

Q: So your commanders knowingly kept your prisoners in the line of fire? How many U.S. soldiers were killed during the shellings?

DELGADO: There were two U.S. soldiers killed during my stay.



Q: Were there any other incidents?

DELGADO: The worst incident that I was privy to was in late November. The prisoners were protesting nightly because of their living conditions. They protested the cold, the lack of clothing, the rotting food that was causing dysentery. And they wanted cigarettes. They tore up pieces of clothing, made banners and signs. One demonstration became intense and got unruly. The prisoners picked up stones, pieces of wood, and threw them at the guards. One of my buddies got hit in the face. He got a bloody nose. But he wasn’t hurt. The guards asked permission to use lethal force. They got it. They opened fire on the prisoners with the machine guns. They shot twelve and killed three. I know because I talked to the guy who did the killing. He showed me these grisly photographs, and he bragged about the results. “Oh,” he said, “I shot this guy in the face. See, his head is split open.” He talked like the Terminator. ‘I shot this guy in the groin, he took three days to bleed to death.” I was shocked. This was the nicest guy you would ever want to meet. He was a family man, a really courteous guy, a devout Christian. I was stunned and said to him: “You shot an unarmed man behind barbed wire for throwing a stone.” He said, “Well, I knelt down. I said a prayer, stood up and gunned them all down.” There was a complete disconnect between what he had done and his own morality.

Q: Commanders permitted use of lethal force against unarmed detainees. What was their response to the carnage?

DELGADO: Our Command took the grisly photos and posted them up in the headquarters. It was a big, macho thing for our company to shoot more prisoners than any other unit.

Q: When did all this happen?

DELGADO: November 24th. The event was actually mentioned in the Taguba Report, under Protocol Golden Spike. And there’s more. Before our company transported the bodies, the soldiers stopped and posed with the bodies and mutilated them further. I got photos from the guy who was there, my friend. I have a photo of a member of my unit, scooping out the prisoner’s brains with an MRE (meals-ready-to-eat) spoon. Four people are looking on, two are taking photographs. If you remember the Abu Ghraib stuff that came out on CNN, this kind of stuff was common. You see guys posing with bodies, or toying with corpses. It was a real common thing in the military, all because the guys thought Arabs are terrorists, the scum of the earth. Anything we do to them is all right.

Q: So far as I know, no commanders have been held accountable for events at Abu Ghraib. Your story implicates commanders in ongoing brutality. In one of your presentations, you said: “Our command definitely knew about the prisoners being shot. They posted the photos in their headquarters. They knew all about prisoners being beaten.” Did your commanders try to prevent information from reaching the public?

DELGADO: After the Abu Ghraib scandal broke on CNN and TV, commanders came out to us and said: “We are all family here. We don’t wash our dirty linen in public. This story doesn’t need to go on CNN. Nobody needs to find out about this.” There was a sort of informal gag order.

Q: You enlisted in the Army Reserve in good faith. Now you are a conscientious objector. Once in the Army Reserve, how did you become a C.O.?

DELGADO: After advanced training, I became serious about Buddhism. I read translations of the Sutras. I became a vegetarian. Later, when I met Iraqi prisoners firsthand, I saw the people who were supposed to be our enemies. I did not feel any hatred for them. They were young, poor guys without an education, like us. They had to fight us. And our guys were the same; they had to fight them. And I said: “What am I doing here, fighting poor people?” I went to my commander, turned in my rifle, and said; “Look, I will stay in Iraq. I will finish my tour as a mechanic. I will do my job, but I am not going to kill anyone.”

Q: You still served the whole tour in Iraq. How did your command respond to your request to become a C.O.?

DELGADO: As soon as I told them, they became hostile. They first took away my hard, ballistic plates that go into my vest. They said: “You are not going to fight, so you won’t need body armor.”



Q: The plates protect you from bullets and mortars. They are needed for safety, right? Were you still vulnerable?

DELGADO: Yes I was. They also took away my home leave, saying: “You won’t come back.” I was supposed to be promoted, but they said we can’t promote you. The command tried a lot of things to get me to recant. I was ostracized. But the more they did to me, the more obstinate I became. I made trouble for my command. I didn’t shave. I threatened to get my Congressman involved. I called Buddhist organizations and the ACLU. They finally relented.

Q: I would like to review your observations. Your account does not focus on one or two bad individuals. Essentially, you are describing the brutality of a group, a collective loss of restraint, a complete breakdown of moral order within the military. I am sure that your Christian buddy, a typical American youth, would never shoot an unarmed person in private life. The theologian Reinhold Niebuhr tells us that, with the sanction of the state, driven by nationalism, moral, decent individuals become killers and torturers in groups. You attribute the breakdown of restraint to racism. When did the process of dehumanization of Arabs begin? Did basic training influence the consciousness of our soldiers?

DELGADO: I went to Fort Knox for basic training. It was known to be harsher than other bases. The training was mentally taxing, and there was already some anti-Arab sentiment.

Q: Like what?

DELGADO: In the early stages I remember Army chants. We sang in cadences. And the chants had anti-Arab themes. Like burning turbans, killing ragheads, killing the Taliban.

Q: What did the chants say?

DELGADO: It was three years ago. I can’t tell the exact words, but the sentiment was to burn turbans and kill ragheads. That was the phraseology. Our drill sergeants would give us motivational talks to pump up our fighting spirit. The theme was the need to get revenge, to go to the Middle East to fight Arabs.



Q: All this was before you even went to Iraq?

DELGADO: Yes. My own commander was infamous for anti-Arab speeches. Before we were deployed to the Middle East, he said, “Now don’t go tell the media that you’re going over there to kill some ragheads and burn some turbans.” Everybody laughed, and he laughed with them. I remember standing there in formation, having grown up in Egypt. And I was thinking: “Oh, my God, this is going to be a disaster. Our commander has this anti-Arab attitude even before we go over.” The commander would give lectures about Islam. He said that Muslims advocate a holy war against us, that Islam promotes perpetual war. I’ve been surrounded by Muslims for a decade, exposed to their culture. He is wrong.

Q: In the 1980s the U.S. military made a lot of reforms. It is widely believed that racism in the military is now a thing of the past.

DELGADO: I have two answers. First, have we overcome racism in the sense that blacks and whites are banded together in the hatred of Arabs? That’s not progress. Second, we had an incident in our unit with a black specialist. He was a nice guy, really popular in the unit. There was no physical fight, but there was a dispute over him dating this white girl, having a relationship with a white girl. Two white guys took a piece of rope, tied a noose, and put a hangman’s noose on his bed. He found out who it was and went to his black sergeant. They went to the equal opportunity representative. The issue was effectively stifled.

Q: After your long ordeal, how do you feel about your country, and what do you want from the American people?

DELGADO: I still love my country. I love the idea of America. But I became disillusioned. Now I want to let the American people know what they’re signing on for when they say they support the war in Iraq. And I want Americans to recognize the racial undertones of the occupation and to understand the human costs of war.

Paul Rockwell is a columnist for In Motion Magazine. He can be reached via e-Mail at rockyspad@earthlink.net.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/133/133_think_racism_military.html

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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 11:13 AM
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1. I assume this guy can document his allegations !
Pretty serious stuff if it is true.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 11:29 AM
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2. I have no doubt
because this has been corraborated by so many military people of good conscience, reporters, military investigations leaked to the public (Taguba) and Iraqis. Plus he has pictures he's showing students. If he had no back-up, the military would have locked him up.

What an effing mess this war is.
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Hapameli Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:48 PM
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12. Aiden Delgado is solid. Check out his interviews on Democracy Now or NION
I have a lot of hope for him and the other Conscientious Objectors who are coming forward with the truth about our war crimes. These guys are the true heroes.

And he's definitely handsome too.

These troops are NOT to blame and are being ordered to commit war crimes. We need to fight this war against the Bush adminitstration for THEM. I've seen the pictures and there's no way they'll get away with what they've done. NO WAY.

http://www.notinourname.net/troops/witness-10jan05.htm
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candy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:45 PM
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24. Thank you for the link.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:57 PM
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27. Handsome yes & thanks for the link!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 07:24 PM
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31. Wow, a hero AND a looker.
Great combo.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:43 PM
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44. Yes
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 07:44 PM by FreedomAngel82
If anybody deserves punishments it's their commanders and especially Rumsfeld. You can always tell about what someone is saying in their eyes. From his eyes he does look sincere and worn out emotionally. I do feel bad for them all. For the military and the Iraqi's who go through this. He is brave for going forward and speaking out (and he is cute).
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Allenberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 11:31 AM
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3. This and other terrible doing of the military is why
I'm a veteran, and not on active duty any more. :)
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 11:32 AM
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4. I'm Sure It Is The Tip Of The Iceberg. Kick and Nominating!
Edited on Sat Jun-04-05 11:34 AM by DistressedAmerican
Just wait until MORE photos and some of the video is realeased (Go ACLU!!!)! There will be more chaos but, those truly responsible will most likely still not be punished!

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 11:34 AM
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5. I second that nomination.
:thumbsup:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 12:54 PM
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6. Lowell O'Bannion, a French horn player from Texas
hipped me to this "game" while we attended conservatory 35 years ago. Difference was they got themselves a radio antennae and called it "NIGGER WHOPPING." Just good clean fun...

"It was a matter of routine for guys in my unit to drive by in a Humvee and shatter bottles over Iraqis heads as they went by. And these were guys I considered friends. And I told them:“ What the hell are you doing? What does that accomplish?” One said back:“ I hate being here. I hate looking at them. I hate being surrounded by all these Hajjis.”

Q: They refer to Iraqis as “Hajjis”?

DELGADO: “Hajji” is the new slur, the new ethnic slur for Arabs and Muslims. It is used extensively in the military. The Arabic word refers to one who has gone on a pilgrimage to Mecca. But it is used in the military with the same kind of connotation as “gook,” “Charlie,” or the n-word. Official Army documents now use it in reference to Iraqis or Arabs. It’s real common. There was really a thick aura of racism."
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:14 PM
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17. That came to my mind too...
I actually thought of Byrd being chained to the back of a pcik-up and dragged down the road until his skin came off


Just good ole boys having fun huh? I can not for the life of me sympathize with those soldiers but the the people I blame are the war-supporters/enablers.

They have turned a basically decent group of people, young and impressionable, into Nazis.

"... George `Nuke 'Em All' Bush and Dick 'Lon' Cheney, the American Warwolf who was in London this week." (George Galloway - news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1872495.stm)

What makes me sudder the most is young Blacks using these terms, acting like this, and not realizing that years ago, this is the same group mindset that staged lynchings for appreciative audiences.

Karenina... how much longer can we put our heads into our hands and weep?

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:48 AM
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36. I don't know.
I simply don't know.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 12:58 PM
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7. If You Have Not Taken Time To Read This Whole Post, Please Do!
I read every word twice and I am still reeling an hour later. I knew it was ugly. But, multiply this guy's experiences by 140,000 and you see we have infliced a disaster on the Iraqi people. You will also see how we will NEVER win this war.

How many times have you heard about winning hearts and minds of the only way we will ever defeat islamic terrorism?

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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 03:28 PM
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37. Deserves a kick back to 1st page and DistressedAmerican I love your
heart graphic! Very impressive!

Reading this also affected me in the same way and I've sent it out onto my message boards. It is an incredibly harsh read!
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:06 PM
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8. "War...promotes killers and racists."
Chris Hedges, the New York Times war correspondent who wrote prior to the invasion of Iraq: “War forms its own culture. It distorts memory, corrupts language, and infects everything around it.... War exposes the capacity for evil that lurks not far below the surface within all of us. Even as war gives meaning to sterile lives, it also promotes killers and racists.”
:cry:

We should NOT have gone into Iraq and we should:

GET OUT OF IRAQ NOW

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:19 PM
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18. We're doomed if we don't
After WWII Germans were forced to face their crimes and undergo a massive, shock "rehabilitation" so they could rejoin a civilized international society.

Who is going to force all our young people tainted by this racist war to undergo a "rehabilitation"?

They're never going to be the same again. Those who participated and have a conscience are going to be tormented for life. The rest, I truly fear upon their return.

Out of Iraq now!
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:11 PM
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9. Tinoire
Thank you for posting this.
This should be spread far and wide, I will help.
hiley


"This so-called ill treatment and torture in detention centers, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners who were freed … were not, as some assumed,inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual prison guards, their deputies, and men who laid violent hands on the detainees."

Rudolf Hoess,

the SS commandant at Auschwitz.



One thing is for certain: There won't be any more mass graves and torture rooms and rape rooms."—Bush, press availability in Monterrey,

Mexico, Jan. 12, 2004

http://www.newyorker.com/online/slideshows/pop/?040510onslpo_prison



U.S. forces may have beaten Iraqi general

By Robert Weller, Associated Press Writer

FORT CARSON, Colo. — Previously secret court testimony indicates an Iraqi general imprisoned by U.S. forces was badly bruised and may have been severely beaten two days before he died of suffocation during interrogation.

References to the alleged beating appear in a transcript, released under court order, from a military preliminary hearing for three soldiers charged with murder and dereliction of duty in the death of Maj. Gen. Abed Mowhoush on Nov. 26, 2003. A fourth soldier faces the same charges but waived a hearing.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-04-02-iraqi-general-beaten_x.htm

Depleted Uranium Weapons use has to be stopped immediately, the use of these weapons is a War Crime.
Look at the pictures on this link I provide and know this is happening to American children as well, just not in as great of numbers as Iraqi children.

These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."

http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html



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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:29 PM
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20. Extreme deformities... War Crimes.... Crime Against Humanity
I've been using that site for the last 8 years and everytime, it's heartbreaking. All those wasted lives, deformed for war crimes while people of no conscience go about saying that depleted uranium is fine and safe.

This site is excellent also. It's not graphic but it can help people understand that magnimity of our bipartisan crime against Iraq for the last 14 consecutive years: http://www.casi.org.uk/

Thanks Hiley. Thanks for fighting against what the UN clearly called "weapons of mass destruction" and fighting the genocide we're responsible for- yet another genocide!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:51 PM
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26. "Saddam has been and is still, trying to manufacture WMD!"
"Saddam Even Used These Weapons Of Mass Destruction On His Own People"

Go and read some of the horror(war)stories on this webpage!

Dugway Proving Grounds

Rats = Registry of Atmospheric Testing Survivors

http://www.dugway.net/



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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Harrowing
Edited on Sat Jun-04-05 07:11 PM by Tinoire
I'm looking at that site now, thanks... But we already know what those reptilians think of other people's lives.

”Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.”-- Henry Kissinger, quoted by Bob Woodward in “The Final Days” (1976)
---

“When I spoke out within the military about how bad depleted uranium was, my life ended, my career ended. I received threats, warnings, sent to the reserve from full active duty."-- Dr. Doug Rokke, former Army Major, who was in charge of the military's environmental clean-up following the first Gulf War, ABC News, 5/5/03 (Thirty members of Rokke’s cleanup team have already died, and he has 5,000 times the acceptable level of radiation in his body, resulting in damage to his lungs and kidneys, brain lesions, skin pustules, chronic fatigue, continual wheezing and painful fibromyalgia. After the Gulf War, Rokke was assigned to make a training video to teach soldiers how to handle depleted uranium. It was a never shown to the troops.)
---

“The leukemia rate in Sarajevo, pummeled by American bombs in 1996, has tripled in the last five years. But it's not just the Serbs who are ill and dying. NATO and UN peacekeepers in the region are also coming down with cancer.”-- Baltimore Chronicle, 12/5/01

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“Drought-stricken Afghanistan's underground water supply is now contaminated by these nuclear weapons. Experts with the Uranium Medical Research Center report that urine samples of Afghanis show the highest level of uranium ever recorded in a civilian population.”-- Amy Worthington, Idaho Observer, April 2003

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”By now, half of all the 697,000 U.S. soldiers involved in the 1991 war have reported serious illnesses. According to the American Gulf War Veterans Association, more than 30 percent of these soldiers are chronically ill and are receiving disability benefits from the Veterans Administration.”-- Sara Flounders and John Catalinotto, Swans Commentary, 2/2/04

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“Gulf War Syndrome not only killed, maimed, and made soldiers sick, they brought it home. In a study of 251 Gulf War veterans' families in Mississippi, 67 percent of their children were born without eyes, ears or a brain, had fused fingers, blood infections, respiratory problems or thyroid and other organ malformations.”-- Leuren Moret, environmental geologist, San Francisco Bay View, 11/7/01

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=720
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 05:10 PM
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39. Thank you for the link Tinoire I love finding your post, for the 411
Some links here however you may have already seen them.
The threads and posts you make are always so informative and I rob them for more links, thank you ...
Amnesty International Video Outlines Human Rights Concerns in Iraq
A new video from Amnesty International, which includes footage from a recent mission, outlines the history of human rights abuse in Iraq and Amnesty International's ongoing concerns.
See the video (17 min.):
http://www.amnestyusa.org/countries/iraq/index.do
Iraq
Iraqi Special Tribunal-Fair trials not guaranteed
http://www.amnestyusa.org/countries/iraq/document.do?id=82AFEE4B414DC6D180256FE90052E0E1

A Message From The "Iraq Resistance" (Video)
Islamic Jihad Army - A message in English

"We are simple people who chose principles over fear."

Iraqi Resistance speech on videotape December 13 2004
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7468.htm

“Falluja-The day After”

“Falluja-The day After” shows the total devastation of the Iraqi town, the corpses of the victims, the mass graves, the exhumation of many corpses by local rescue teams in order to try to recognize some of the victims. The last corpse shown in this video belongs to a 14 year old girl.

The video lasts 18 minutes and 20 seconds. Posted 06/02/05 snip--
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9010.htm

Torture: The Dirty Business

Torture is a multinational industry – but its headquarters is in the USA.

Broadcast Channel 4 on Tuesday 1 March at 11.10pm

In this programme Andrew Gilligan examines the CIA’s practice of abducting terrorist suspects and transferring them to states such as Egypt and Syria, where torture is routine. The programme also exposes the British government’s refusal to condemn the use of torture by the government of Uzbekistan, for the sake of the ‘evidence’ it produces: 'selling our souls for dross', in the words of the former British ambassador

snip--
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8580.htm

These Pages Depict The Horror And Reality Of

"OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM"

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2604.htm
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:45 PM
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25. kick
My uncle recently forwarded me an email on how the pictures shown publicly from Abu Ghraib just showed "frat pranks". Apparently he thought I would appreciate it as an army wife. Boy, was he wrong. I think my husband is even more sickened by what happened at Abu Ghraib than I simply because it reflects on him and the many other decent soldiers. He is glad he was on his way out of Iraq when that story broke. My uncle is a moderate democrat, hates Bush, is against the Iraq War -- yet somehow he has come to believe the same thing Rush Limbaugh says about Abu Ghraib.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 08:00 PM
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32. The "Frat Prank" excuse is extremely disturbing
an acceptance along the lines of "the banality of evil"...

I'm sorry to you that just because you're an Army wife, they thought you'd appreciate it. It seems that's the common thinking- drag the entire family into laughing at the crime to make us all complicit in it. Thankfully enough good people of conscience said no and blew the whistle. I'm with your husband because I'm a retired vet and no way in hell do I want this associated with me- not after everything I did to denounce this evil. And I don't want good soldiers associated with it either.

Did you read Seymour Hersh's account of how he got a hold of the Abu Ghraib photos? A soldier's mother phoned him up and turned them over- she could simply not believe the pictures she found on her MP daughter's computer. If you haven't read it, I'll dig it up for you because it was really interesting.

It's mind-boggling how they want to make us all complicit. But no, I won't be. Come the hopeful day when we'll be dragged in front of the ICC, it will be wonderful for us to be able to loudly say "J'ACCUSE".

----


The Banality of Evil
from the book Triumph of the Market
by Edward S. Herman
published by South End Press, 1995

The concept of the banality of evil came into prominence following the publication of Hannah Arendt's 1963 book Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil, which was based on the trial of Adolph Eichmann in Jerusalem. Arendt's thesis was that people who carry out unspeakable crimes, like Eichmann, a top administrator in the machinery of the Nazi death camps, may not be crazy fanatics at all, but rather ordinary individuals who simply accept the premises of their state and participate in any ongoing enterprise with the energy of good bureaucrats.

Normalizing the Unthinkable

Doing terrible things in an organized and systematic way rests on "normalization." This is the process whereby ugly, degrading, murderous, and unspeakable acts become routine and are accepted as "the way things are done." There is usually a division of labor in doing and rationalizing the unthinkable, with the direct brutalizing and killing done by one set of individuals; others keeping the machinery of death (sanitation, food supply) in order; still others producing the implements of killing, or working on improving technology (a better crematory gas, a longer burning and more adhesive napalm, bomb fragments that penetrate flesh in hard-to-trace patterns). It is the function of defense intellectuals and other experts, and the mainstream media, to normalize the unthinkable for the general public. The late Herman Kahn spent a lifetime making nuclear war palatable (On Thermonuclear War, Thinking About the Unthinkable), and this strangelovian phoney got very good press. ~

(snip)

Slavery and Racism as Routine
When I was a boy, and an ardent baseball fan, I never questioned, or even noticed, that there were no Black baseball players in the big leagues. That was the way it was; racism was so routine that it took years of incidents, movement actions, reading, and real-world traumas to overturn my own deeply imbedded bias. Historically, this was a country in which human slavery was firmly institutionalized and routinized, with abolitionists in the pre-civil war years looked upon as violent extremists by the dominant elites and masses alike in the North.

The rationalizations for slavery were remarkable. A set of intellectuals arose in the South before 1860 that not only defended slavery, but argued its moral superiority on the grounds of its service to the slaves, to the disadvantage of the enslaving Whites! Stephen Jay Gould's The Mismeasure of Man, ... is a superb account of how U.S. science at the highest levels constructed and maintained a "scientific" case for racism over many decades by mainly innocent and not consciously contrived scientific charlataury. The ability to put aside cultural blinders is rare. And it appears that what money and power demand, science and technology will provide, however outrageous the end.

Mainstream history has also successfully put Black slavery and oppression in a tolerable light. A powerful article by the late Nathan I. Huggins, "The Deforming Mirror of Truth: Slavery and the Master Narrative of American History", in the Winter 1991 issue of the Radical History Review, shows well how the "master narrative" in historiography has normalized Black slavery and post-1865 racism. Slavery was a "tragic error" (like the Vietnam War), rather than a rational and institutional choice; it has been marginalized as an aside or tangent, rather than recognized as a central and integral feature of U.S. history; and it has been portrayed as an error in process of rectification in a progressive evolution, rather than a terrible permanent scar that helps explain the Southern Strategy, the current attack on affirmative action, and the enlarging Black ghetto disaster of today.

(snip)

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman%20/BanalityEvil_Herman.html
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:26 PM
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34. No, I haven't read Hersh's article on that
How disturbing to be a mother and find that on your daughter or son's computer. I often point out articles to my husband about how "well" this war is going or about war crimes. He goes through phases where he just doesn't want to know and can't bring himself to read anything about Iraq.

Now he is in Korea with a bunch of soldiers "hiding" from service in Iraq. They are at a non-deployable duty station and continue to extend to stay there. I completely understand why but my husband is tired of them talking about how the war is being fought all wrong. Not that they are necessarily wrong about that point, but to him it is just like the chickenhawks who sit back here in the U.S. and are so pro-war but won't enlist to fight it.

He loves the army (I don't see the appeal but I couldn't call anyone sir or take orders :D ) and has served 10 years so far but that doesn't mean he likes war. Now he cannot wait until he gets out because he hates what the army has become and how it is being run.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 09:54 PM
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35. Seymour Hersh link
I couldn't find the specific article I was thinking of but he talks about it here also:
Seymour Hersh: Iraq "Moving Towards Open Civil War
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/11/142250

Wow. I feel for your husband. Korea is miserable duty.... To think that soldiers are "hiding out" there tells us how bad it is! May he stay safe!
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:18 PM
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10. What sickens me even more than these war crimes
Edited on Sat Jun-04-05 01:20 PM by LibertyorDeath
are people who refuse to believe they are taking place on a regular basis.

They start with the fucking excuses

isolated incident

a few bad apples

it's a war what do you expect.

NO FUCK NO A MILLION FUCKING TIMES NO

It's an occupation and these are War crimes it's SOP

They are WAR CRIMES

"DELGADO: Our Command took the grisly photos and posted them up in the headquarters. It was a big, macho thing for our company to shoot more prisoners than any other unit."

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 03:52 PM
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15. SOP= Standard Operating Procedure.
STANDARD.OPERATING.PROCEDURE.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 07:13 PM
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29. "killing terrorists is not our mission. It’s to kill innocent civilians."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1453780

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1351884

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1309843

....video cameras are lightweight and digital technology has cut out the need for processing. Having captured a firefight on video, a soldier can create a movie and distribute it via e-mail, uncensored by the military. With editing software such as Avid and access to Internet connections on military bases here, U.S. soldiers are creating fast-paced, MTV-style music videos using images from actual firefights and killings....

***

The result: an abundance of photographs and video footage depicting mutilation, death and destruction that soldiers collect and trade like baseball cards....


“We kill innocent Iraqi civilians all the time. That’s the way it is. I believe they need to withdraw all foreign military troops in Iraq right away. And I say this about other soldiers: to avoid punishment or reprisals by the military, they don’t want to talk and admit that killing terrorists is not our mission. It’s to kill innocent civilians.”

That’s the way the Il Manifesto interview with Jimmy Massey went. He’s from the little town of Waynesville, North Carolina. He has decided to draw back the veil of silence from the “noble mission” in Iraq. Discharged from the Marine Corps for medical reasons, he has written a diary, “Cowboys from Hell,” which will be published at the end of the summer.

“What was your rank in Iraq?”

“I was a sergeant with the Third Marine Battalion during the invasion, in the spring of 2003.”

http://www.sfbayview.com/030905/amarine030905.shtml

"Does that mean every single person in the military does that?"

No but way to many are.

what they did to the Civillians in Fallujah.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/NIM411A.html

The convention also regulates the treatment of civilians in occupied territories and forbids “grave breaches,” including the “willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment” of civilians,” but this is precisely what happened in Falluja last April. “All of the Middle East and indeed the whole world is now extremely suspicious that US Marine forces slaughtered civilians in Fallujah indiscriminately,” Joseph Arrieta wrote at the time

( http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/05/20_... ).

“Not only that, it appears Marine snipers did a lot of killing. This is not some errant bomb or missile that created ‘collateral damage,’ it’s the alleged deliberate, careful sighting of civilian targets with spotters targeting men, women, children and ambulances,” all war crimes. “According to the relatively few media reports of what took place there, some 600 Iraqis were killed during these two weeks, among them some 450 elderly people, women and children,”

Orit Shohat reported for Haaretz on April 28th ( http://www.uruknet.info/?colonna=m&p=2261 ).

The sight of decapitated children, the rows of dead women and the shocking pictures of the soccer stadium that was turned into a temporary grave for hundreds of the slain—all were broadcast to the world only by the Al Jazeera network. During the operation in Falluja, according to the organization Doctors Without Borders, U.S. Marines even occupied the hospitals and prevented hundreds of the wounded from receiving medical treatment. Snipers fired from the rooftops at anyone who tried to approach.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=44792

by Raul Mahajan
April 11, 2004

What type of individual shoots Ambulance drivers.?
& what does it say about the Military they belong to.?
Are these Merceneries doing this?
Are Iraqis doing this?
Who the fuck is Evil enough to be doing this?
Special Forces?

This is getting very sick and very twisted.

Start

I had heard these claims at third-hand before coming into Fallujah, but was skeptical. It's very difficult to find the real story here. But this I saw for myself. An ambulance with two neat, precise bullet-holes in the windshield on the driver's side, pointing down at an angle that indicated they would have hit the driver's chest (the snipers were on rooftops, and are trained to aim for the chest). Another ambulance again with a single, neat bullet-hole in the windshield. There's no way this was due to panicked spraying of fire. These were deliberate shots to kill people in driving the ambulances.

The ambulances go around with red, blue, or green lights flashing and sirens blaring; in the pitch-dark of a blacked-out city there is no way they can be missed or mistaken for something else). An ambulance that some of our compatriots were going around in, trading on their whiteness to get the snipers to let them through to pick up the wounded was also shot at while we were there.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3485189


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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 08:13 PM
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33. G-E-N-O-C-I-D-E

"The chick got in the way..."


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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #10
22. yes.. the fucking RW freeps, freaks and fundie enablers....
They keep excusing this fucking bullshit behavior. I hear it every day on C-Span and it continues to freak me out. What a country.
:(
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:42 PM
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11. WTF have we become?
from the article:

<<DELGADO: There were 4,000 to 6,000 prisoners at Abu Ghraib. I got to work with a lot of officers, so I got to see the paperwork. I found out that a lot of prisoners were imprisoned for no crime at all. They were not insurgents. Some were inside for petty theft or drunkenness. But the majority – over sixty percent – were not imprisoned for crimes committed against the coalition.

<snip>

DELGADO: Every time our base came under attack, we sent out teams to sweep up all men between the ages of 17 and 50. There were random sweeps. The paperwork to get them out of prison took six months or a year. It was hellish inside. A lot of completely innocent civilians were in prison camp for no offense. It sounds completely outrageous. But look at the 2005 Department of Defense Report, where it talks about prisoners.

<snip>

DELGADO: I was becoming disillusioned. I expected brutality from the enemy. That was a given. But to see brutality from our own side, that was really tough for me. It was hard to see the army fall so much in my esteem. The prisoners were housed outside in tents, 60 to 80 prisoners per tent. It rained a lot. The detainees lived in the mud. It was freezing cold outside, and the prisoners had no cold-weather clothing. Our soldiers lived inside in cells, with four walls that protected us from the bombardment. The Military Police used the cold weather to control the prisoners. If there was an infraction, detainees would be removed from their tents. Next, their blankets were confiscated. Then even their clothing was taken away. Almost naked, in underwear, the POWs would huddle together on a platform outside to keep warm. There was overcrowding, and almost everyone got TB. Eighteen members of our unit who worked closely with the prisoners got TB too. The food was rotten and prisoners got dysentery. The unsanitary conditions, the debris and muck everywhere, the overcrowding in cold weather, led to disease, an epidemic, pandemic conditions. The attitude of the guards was brutal. To
them Iraqis were the scum of the earth. Detainees were beaten within inches of their life.>>



For people who say that this isn't like Vietnam, I say it is far worse.

Heartbreaking


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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:22 PM
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19. Random sweeps of all men "between the ages of 17 and 50"

Just like the Nazis...

And yes, I agree, far, far worse than Vietnam :scared:
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:54 PM
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13. .
:kick:
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 02:07 PM
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14. Kicked and nomitated!!! MUST READ!
The allegations made by this young man are horrifying, but have the ring of truth. As a social psychology professor, I know the strong tendency of humans (ALL OF US) to engage in stereotyping and the power of "ingroup vs outgroup" superiority assumptions.

Have managed to have classrooms of white middle-class Americans, when broken into identified groups, distort their perceptions of their group as contrasted with their perceptions of "the other" groups .

IF people do this when they're in a classroom of their peers - and unaware of what outcome the experiment seeks to yield - it is no stretch to see them doing far worse to people who look, sound and even smell different. And add a dash of nationalism, a bit of macho bravado, and some "demonizing" of the enemy by military leadership -- things like Abu Gharaib are no surprise at all.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:30 PM
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21. Sadly
no real surprise at all :(

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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 03:57 PM
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16. nothing new actually
Edited on Sat Jun-04-05 03:58 PM by KG
occupation forces throughout history have behaved similarly.

america has become the kind of country we were all taught to despise as kids.

edit - nominated. and hi cass! :hi:
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:41 PM
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23. Interesting call on Springer last week from this black guy
He was in the military and had been in Iraq. He said that Iraqis had their own pet name for black GI's, which was "slave."

Anyone else know/hear about this???
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 07:23 PM
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30. Fuck. Not surprised, but DAMN.
Oh, but remember, we're SO not the new Nazis.

:eyes:

My dad was a Master Sergeant. This hits close to home.

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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 03:48 PM
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38. We sure haven't overcome
Not by a long shot. We have given the Iraqis and the insurgents every day new reasons to hate us and turn against us. What have we created?

I worry for my kids and their friends' future because the * administration is creating a legacy of hatred and animosity by these actions....

:cry:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:16 PM
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40. What have we created?
HELL on earth.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:18 PM
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45. You got that right. this is worse than the 60's
I was kind of surprised the Vietnam incident didn't breed any animosity that spilled over, but then the US had "lost" so to say.

But this time, makes one wonder if the US is better off conceding and not proclaiming victory, else continue to be slapped down by insurgents and their sympathizers until the US cries "uncle".

Any perceived win by the US means someone in the Middle East, and I don't think the ME world is going to take kindly to that.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:33 PM
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41. You and I are "raceless".
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 07:35 PM by Just Me
We are a member of one race, the human race: my skinny white "trash" butt that got "highly educated" outside the elite circle and has ALWAYS LOVED ALL HUMANITY,...and your brown-skinned hands-on advocacy against oppression against that humanity which has been exploited.

We're all being exploited now, my sister and friend. We are ALL being exploited.

I suppose that exploitation is a good thing because NOW our fight crosses all human lines. NOW, whatever boundaries were invented on behalf of those who exploited,....are disappearing.

:hug: I love you, Tinoire, my sister.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:36 PM
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42. I find this paragraph particularly telling
DELGADO: Yes. My own commander was infamous for anti-Arab speeches. Before we were deployed to the Middle East, he said, “Now don’t go tell the media that you’re going over there to kill some ragheads and burn some turbans.” Everybody laughed, and he laughed with them. I remember standing there in formation, having grown up in Egypt. And I was thinking: “Oh, my God, this is going to be a disaster. Our commander has this anti-Arab attitude even before we go over.” The commander would give lectures about Islam. He said that Muslims advocate a holy war against us, that Islam promotes perpetual war. I’ve been surrounded by Muslims for a decade, exposed to their culture. He is wrong.

Kill some ragheads indeed - new century, plus ca change.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:42 PM
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43. How horrible
This part really disgusted me:

< Our Command took the grisly photos and posted them up in the headquarters. It was a big, macho thing for our company to shoot more prisoners than any other unit.>

You better believe his ass that people deserve to know. Especially if these people were innocent and are innocent. This is so disgusting. :mad: Of course they're "good Christian men." God is waiting for them.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:08 PM
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46. Peace kick.
:dem::kick:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:25 AM
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47. Kick!
:kick:
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