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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 11:31 AM
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Monday is NOT the best day ..........
What's happening on Monday?

The Friday night Koran story dump will still be there and maybe will get some coverage.

The girl in Aruba story will still be hot ... whether she remains missing or is found.

The Jacko jury gets the case ... and maybe a verdict. Wall to wall news coverage (cuz its soooooooo important).

Tony the Poodle will be calling on idiot son.

The last three of these stories will be the dominating news for at least Monday, and probably the whole week. The Koran story needs some air, too, but may or may not get it.

What there's NO room for is Kerry bringing up the DSM.

I know .... I've been yelling for a slow down on this for a while. And I could be mistaken for someone who just wants it to go away. And if you think that, you'd be wrong.

I want this story out there in a gilt frame. All on its own. Would it not be better for Kerry to hold his fire until the right time? I'm not saying he should wait for months. But maybe for a few days? It is already out there, being trumpeted in the RW press, that 'failed presidential candidate John Kerry' (nice spin, huh?) is going to speak about a 'possibly impeachable offense' (see the mocking already happening?) by the Prayzident in the Senate on Monday.

Why not wait a day or three? Let the story just hang there. Wait for the right day (by making hour-to-hour strategic go/no-go decisions) when the media water's otherwise calm and *then* go for it? Why allow this to come out in a way that's so very easy for them to either shoot down or ignore?

Be strategic. Plan **carefully**. Don't just off and hope it gets coverage.

Do that (go off on Monday and hope for the best), and as I see it, we lose.

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tmorelli415 Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 12:29 PM
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1. Disagree
I'm a PR consultant. I've been working with reporters and managing news cycles for 12 years. The first Monday of the month is the *ideal* news day. PR 101.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 12:33 PM
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2. For the record: there's a New Moon that day at 16 Gemini
Happens at 1:56 PM Washington time.

Spread the message: Bush and his Oil Republicans carefully planned, and then followed through to betray the USA about Iraq, and send our sons and daughters to die in a far away foriegn land -- not for liberty, but for Republican corporate profits.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 12:33 PM
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3. Even when your story runs the risk of being crowded out by other
more 'pressing' issues?

I'm not saying you're wrong. I really don't know.

But what I **do** know is that this bunch of thugs have managed to control virtually everything we read or hear in the SCLM. I'm not so much calling for a specific timetable as for being more strategic in our thinking and that **we** start to manage stuff, too.

Otherwise, we'll be forever on the defensive.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 02:00 PM
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12. Usually, that would be true
Edited on Sat Jun-04-05 02:04 PM by Clark2008
I have worked in marketing/pr for four years now and was a reporter for 12, so I understand that the first Monday of the month is usually a black day - slow for news.
But, what H2S is pointing out is that there is the "entertainment media" factor going on that was not so prevalent even as short as five years ago. The media, pushed by their corporate masters, tends to go toward the easy blitz, which would be the Michael Jackson verdict, if there is one, instead of the more investigative approach.
Kerry's DSM will be drummed out on most networks and cable news shows by any verdict - it will be the top story.
I wish Kerry had brought this up sooner.

Of course, in a perfect world, the media would relegate MJ to the back burners because it's not a world-pressing issue, but that's too much to hope for until there is media reform.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:39 AM
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21. "The first Monday of the month is the *ideal* news day. PR 101."
Why?

Not in any way disputing you, but merely iggerant.

So, why?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:01 PM
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4. you got your wish and said it in your post
kerry and others will start it going in congress, and conyers. and media wont cover. so it will continue to set there and simmer as people position themselves for abttle in washington.

lets hope democrats use this time wisely
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:12 PM
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6. I pray they do use the time wisely
I've been saying for a while that I think the DSM is the biggest gift we've been given among a whole series of gifts. But we've not been able to get any of them to stick.

This one is easy to understand.

This one has the potential for delicious sound bites.

This one has the potential to give even those who voted for the IWR some serious cover (they made the vote based on a lie from the **praysident**).

This one has the potential to be a clear path to claims of 'high crimes and misdemeanors'.

This one is self explanatory. Just reading the document should piss off any sentient person.

This one allows us to call idiot son a liar. In just one delicious word: LIAR.

I am really fearful that if it is played wrong we could well lose what might be our last best chance.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:13 PM
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7. also, prior to was, there were many that contradict bushco
a lot of evidence to support dsm. it does not need to stand on its own
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:16 PM
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8. Oh, I agree completely.
The DSM, in many ways, is a the red ribbon with which we can tie all the other crap together.

If nothing else, it will cause people to think. Even in the face of spin, it will still open a few formerly closed minds.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:07 PM
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5. It's difficult to know when.
However I see no reason to hold on anything at this point. Things are heating up. A perfect confluence of events is working in our favor. We now know that the pressure cooker is going to blow.

It's just like it was in 1973-1974. These people just aren't that smart. The time to act is now. We're going to win this.

Kerry should do what he planned, it's perfect timing.

Keep stoking the fire.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:17 PM
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9. Come on... poopybutt ... where's your optimism?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:45 PM
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10. I think its on Spring Break
I usually **am** optimistic and am criticised for being overly optimistic far more often than for being a pessimist!

But I'm really worried about us losing our shot with this.

Our side has a history of being able to screw up a one car funeral .... yanno?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 01:55 PM
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11. You are a funny one Husb2Sparkly!
I don't see HOW we could screw up this one car funeral. They are actual minutes from the meeting. No getting around under or in between this is possible!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 02:18 PM
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13. Oh .... once the facts are out there its easy
The hard part is not the facts in the DSM .... and the bazillion other stories and facts that the DSM facts relate to. Once it is out there and its content become known, the facts speak for themselves. All anyone has to do is just read it and they'll understand. They may not **want** to understand ... but they will.

No, the hard part is getting the story out in a way that it **stays** out there and on everyone's radar screen.

We all know damned well the cabal's power to get things buried. We need to be very smart about *strategically* planning for this story's cotillion debut.

When it comes out in a serious way, it has to not just be on page one, but have the ability to **stay** on page one.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 02:25 PM
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14. The latest "Bolton" link might extend it's coverage..
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 02:56 PM
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16. This gets more and more delicious!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:07 AM
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20. It's not going away!
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 02:42 PM
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15. The way I see it..
There will always be a celeberty trial, a missing pretty young girl, or some such story to avoid printing/airing the news.

But check this out:

Bolton Said to Orchestrate Unlawful Firing


http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-bolton-un-firing,0,7826877.story?page=2&coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

<snip>

The Iraq connection to the OPCW affair comes as fresh evidence surfaces that the Bush administration was intent from early on to pursue military and not diplomatic action against Saddam Hussein's regime.

An official British document, disclosed last month, said Prime Minister Tony Blair agreed in April 2002 to join in an eventual U.S. attack on Iraq. Two weeks later, Bustani was ousted, with British help.


<more at link>

With the Bolton nomination on the front burner, Dems are going to have plenty of access to microphones, and this gives them every oportunity to speek about the memo. Any Dem worth their salt is going to connect the dots for the media.

It is simmering, and will soon come to a boil.


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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 02:57 PM
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17. Johnny Mathis said it best ........ in song .......
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 03:14 PM
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18. turd in the punchbowl time:
Edited on Sat Jun-04-05 03:14 PM by Gabi Hayes
how many stories about the BFEE have been out there forever, and come to naught?

EVERY single one, otherwise, any of the bigger ones (too many from which to choose) should , of its own weight, have sunk them

the constant factor that militates against this, or any other story, having any effect on the usurpers, of course, is the very media of which you speak

they will simply NOT cover it.

all one has to do is compare what they did during the WJC years to what they've done since

how much plainer does it have to get

Bizarro world media rules are in effect, ever since Reagan took over.

Carter, actually. Read ''Liberty Under Seige,'' by Walter Karp, for a discussion of what happened WRT media coverage, as well as Dem Party perfidy/acquiesence under Carter/Reagan

re: DSM, for example, why does it take so long for Dem "leaders" to do anything? just for starters....
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 03:28 PM
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19. If I read you right, you seem to be agreeing with my OP
or at least the reason why I am calling for strategic restraint.

Am I correct in that ssusmption?
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