BBV: Now You Can Search Diebold memos: RIGHT HERE - GlobalFreePress

[bpilgrim]

http://new.globalfreepress.com/mnogosearch/search.cgi

It is still indexing but you can start searching now. It will hopefully make it easier for yall to investigate.

see more discussion here...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=373068&mesg_id=373068&page=

psst... pass the word :bounce:

peace

[bpilgrim]

1. GEMS Connect to Data Base security crack

http://www.sunrise.it/s/lists/bugtrack.w3archive/200205/msg00147.html

an interesting nugget when searching 'CRACK' ;->

peace

[nostamj]

2. this could be very addictive...

thanks!

[bpilgrim]

3. dig it

and the indexer is still going, there muct be thousands of documents up there :bounce:

I will post when the indexer finishes when it does it will have every word stored in a database for easy retrivial :evilgrin:

peace

[bpilgrim]

4. Search Engine Indexer Has Finished - 14,229 docs are now fully loaded ;-)

http://new.globalfreepress.com/mnogosearch/search.cgi

psst... pass the word :bounce:

peace

[bpilgrim]

5. RE: Memory card checksum errors (was: 2000 November Election)

thats what you get when you type in 'boogie man'

[nostamj]

6. "keeping in mind that the boogie man may be reading our mail."

oh, if they only knew!

[Eloriel]

7. I haven't played with it yet, but I intend to

Thanks!

Eloriel

[BevHarris]

8. Bpilgrim, this search engine is just fantastic

I've been using it every chance I get. I posted it in two places at blackboxvoting.org, but I like it so much I may keep it right at the top of the blog.

Question: It feels pretty anonymous when you go there. Is there a way to say that it instantly searches the Diebold memos -- and I love your suggested search words.

Something like "Welcome to the Global Free Press instant search utility for the Diebold Memos!

Enter anything you like; if in doubt, try entering terms like "hack" and "workaround" and "boogie man" and "cel phone" (or "cell phone").

Anyway, I really like it. I'm going to go back to it right now and enter the search word "fake" and see what I come up with. :) (race ya!)

Bev

[BevHarris]

9. Easy to "fake" a sales demonstration

To: <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Read headers in VIBS
From: "Ken Clark" <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:42:35 -0500
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To: <009f01c00ac2$79532840$5dd5fc9e@default>

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I mean, perform the same function as the @precinct macro under VIBS.

There are places like Minnesota who seem to regard the ability to print the precinct name(s) in the header as some kind of critical feature. There was an RCR from them a while back that is still outstanding regarding printing precinct names even when using sequence numbers.

I have discussed this with a couple of people, and the consensus seems to be that since there is no (known) statutory requirements, we'll punt on this for now. There aren't enough VIBS voters (or accounts) to warrant the burden of supporting audio for the precinct name, for now at least. I'd add its pretty easy to fake in a sales demo too.

Not to let this discussion overshadow the main point of this RCR however. We can support headers notwithstanding the @precinct macro problem without difficulty.

Ken

[BevHarris]

10. It sucks to "fake" it this way:

RE: @district macro (was RE: Gems)

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To: <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: @district macro (was RE: Gems)
From: "Ken Clark" <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:00:13 -0800
Importance: Normal
In-reply-to: <000901c18bd2$ff3f5c20$6b6d0a40@globalow6zn1fu>

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Its possible (probable) that I broke it in 1.18 when I did the @district stuff. Can you live without it until Jan? You can fake it with @district by creating a district for every precinct and using @district (like with precinct committee officer races), but I agree that sucks.

Ken

[BevHarris]

12. My personal favorite: "Fake" the demonstration for Colo. Spgs

They couldn't pick up the check until they demonstrated the software that they had sold but not yet developed.

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RE: El Paso, Colorado

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To: "Jeff Hintz" <[e-mail]>, "Support Team (E-mail)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: El Paso, Colorado
From: "Ken Clark" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:42:51 -0600
Importance: Normal
In-reply-to: <[e-mail]>

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> AccuVote and AccuTouch systems yet?? There is going to be a
> demostration on March 29, 1999 for El Paso County, Colorado.

For a demonstration I suggest you fake it. Progam them both so they look the same, and then just do the upload fro the AV. That is what we did in the last AT/AV demo.

Ken

[Cheswick2.0]

31. Oh, fucking son of a bastard illegal election!!!

I can not beleive this. These people should be in jail. Who is this Ken person? He is a real piece of work.

[nostamj]

33. check post #29

for another "ken" gem...

[Pobeka]

13. Snowing election officials with software is easy

That is the point I get from the memos Bev is posting here -- and why should that be a surprise? Election officials are not trained to be software forensic analysts. That would require college diplomas and/or years of experience in the software field.

[bpilgrim]

25. thanks. and good suggestions...

i will add tonight when i get home.

:hi:

peace

[Eloriel]

32. This is an absolutely incredible tool, bpilgrim

Thanks so much!

Eloriel

[Pobeka]

11. Thanks bpilgrim

Way Cool.

[BevHarris]

14. I did a search for "crap" and got this enigmatic memo

RE: Zero report not zero (RE: AVTS-3-10-10 & Gems 1-13-3)

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To: <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Zero report not zero (RE: AVTS-3-10-10 & Gems 1-13-3)
From: "Ken Clark" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:50:39 -0500
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>

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> Ok, after trying several different AVTS units with different Microsoft
> Operating Systems. Here is what I found: Windows 95 has the problem of
> not printing zeros, Windows 98 that has been converted froma
> Windows 95 has
> the problem of not printing zeros. But a system with a fresh install of
> only Windows 98 does print out the zeros report correctly. I am assuming
> that all the AVTS units in El Paso were installed fresh with Windows 98
> since they did not report any problems there.


Great work Jeff. Microsoft is really going to send me to the insane assylum
one of these days.

I have worked around the problem even when using a broken OS, but it
involved changes in the way we total the results, which is very sensitive to say the least. We'll do a release shortly, but it deserves some serious testing.

We'll try to track down exactly what is different between these upgraded machines and newly installed ones. Who knows what other crap lurks in there.

Ken

====================

(raising my hand): why is totaling 1+1+1+1+1+1... "very sensitive to say the least" -- or, if he is saying that "working around the problem using a broken operating system" involves changing the way they total the resuls is a sensitive issue, I have another question: Why would they blame Microsoft Windows 95 (or 98) for failing to add 0+0+0+0+0... and get ZERO?

Doesn't this seem like, um, more of a problem with whoever programmed the zero report?

For those who don't know, the zero report is very important -- it is supposed to add up how many votes are in the system before the election starts, to reduce the chances that someone has stuffed the electronic ballot box. I know, I must be very dense to believe that it is a simple matter on Windows 95, 98, 2000, XP, NT or even DOS to write a program that has 0+0=0.

It takes a Diebold principal engineer to explain why adding a string of zeros to get a total is "sensitive, to say the least."

Bev

[Pobeka]

16. Actually, it may be appropriate to blame microsoft

Using Microsoft Compiler, using Microsoft run-time libraries. Same source code can give you different answers for something even as trivial as adding two numbers together. I have to deal with this baloney far to often as a programmer.

But that brings me back to a larger issue, which is that certifying a system like this correctly would involve certifying *all* software on the system (including the OS, drivers, etc.) and the hardware it interacts with.

On Edit, make that "adding two numbers together."

[BevHarris]

15. HEADS UP! Another one for Memos Greatest Hits

I've started posting the goodies here, bpilgrim, because I want to attract attention to your search engine.

Well, here's a little problem: It seems this GEMS program is automatically stuffing the ballot box for George W. Bush:

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GEMS 1-15-3 - Hamilton County Database takeing Header Files and ading Votes to them

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To: "Bugtrack@Gesn. Com" <[e-mail]>
Subject: GEMS 1-15-3 - Hamilton County Database takeing Header Files and ading Votes to them
From: "Mike Brown" <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:15:08 -0600
Importance: Normal

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Sorry, I didn’t know what to say to explain this one properly in the subject field.

I noticed some curious behavior in GEMS. Load this Database into GEMS 1-15-3, open RACE > DELEGATES AT-LARGE, go directly to the Candidates TAB, and look at George W. Bush -> Type Field. The Type is Header. Go directly to the Race Tab, the Type is Candidate. Go directly to the Candidates Tab, the Type is Candidate. GEMS changed the Type from Header to Candidate.

Hamilton County is getting totals placed in the George W. Bush Header when she does test uploads. Go to GEMS -> Print Precinct Summary, sort by Precinct summary, choose DOWNTOWN, Preview it, go to page 2, you will see totals in the George W. Bush Header.

Mike
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(In the answer, Ken Clark just says his normal thing: "hmm, send me the database."

[TorchTheWitch]

21. OUCH!

that one was really ugly.

[Andy_Stephenson]

17. City's original vote totals flawed

City's original vote totals flawed

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To: [e-mail]
Subject: City's original vote totals flawed
From: [e-mail]
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:36:27 -0800

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This Story has been sent to you by : [e-mail]

City's original vote totals flawed
When all the vote tabulations were finally completed the morning after the Nov. 5 general election, unofficial totals from Columbus' first use of the new voting system were released for publication.
The full article will be available on the Web for a limited time:
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/enquirer/news/local/4567841.htm

(c) 2001 enquirer and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved.





City's original vote totals flawed
Consolidated count shows excess number of absentee ballots
BY JIM HOUSTON
Staff Writer

When all the vote tabulations were finally completed the morning after the Nov. 5 general election, unofficial totals from Columbus' first use of the new voting system were released for publication.

Although late in coming, the system that brought rave reviews from voters produced a clean, clear and concise summary of how Columbus had voted.

The only problem is those results were wrong.

When the totals were consolidated for certification to the Secretary of State's office, it was discovered the number of absentee ballots cast in Columbus exceeded the number that should have been voted.

[BevHarris]

18. And if you still have any confidence: This one is doubling votes

Re: jresult doubles the votes - in 1-17-7-3

From: Tari Runyan
To: Bugs
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:55 PM
Subject: jresult doubles the votes - in 1-17-7-3

started Jresult client - 0-13-3 and it has doubled all the votes in the vote centers for the races

Tari Runyan
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From: Dmitry Papushin <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: jresult doubles the votes - in 1-17-7-3

Please send the result files and i'll take a look.

Dmitry

From: Tari Runyan
To: [e-mail]
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: jresult doubles the votes - in 1-17-7-3

I tested another db and it does the same thing - do you need text files or script list or both - it also occurs in new Jresult -
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To: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: jresult doubles the votes - in 1-17-7-3
From: "Steve Knecht" <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:48:07 -0700
References: <011c01c0393e$b93b4a00$0203a8c0@GES001> <012401c0392e$894e41e0$[e-mail]>

Dmitry,

This is not in her database. This is in JRClient. We ran central count totals of 134 ballots and it shows as 268 votes on the Jview.exe.

[Andy_Stephenson]

19. voter claims they didn't vote

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To: <[e-mail]>
Subject: voter claims they didn't vote
From: "Ken Clark" <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:32:54 -0700
Importance: Normal

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I have thought about this issue a number of times in the past -- it came up again today at Virginia cert. What is the standard operating procedure if a voter comes back to the poll worker with their smart card and claims it isn't working? Well, we all know the answer to that: we burn them a new card. Problem is, the voter might be lying, and wants to vote again.

From a practical standpoint its this is really not a problem. I think everyone would agree this is a pretty ineffectual way to stuff a ballot box. I do worry a bit about having to explain this reasoning to John Stossel though.

The only practical suggestion I can think of is to timestamp the voter cards when the ballot is cast. Inserting a voted card would pop up a message saying that the card was voted and when. A poll worker would then know that the ballot was just cast.

For now I suspect we will continue to pretend the issue doesn't exist. It is worth thinking about though. Any other practical suggestions on how we might handle this are welcome.

Ken

[BevHarris]

20. GEMS fails to import the Green Party

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Coop" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 5:09 PM
Subject: VREG DFM IMPORT NOT IMPORTING GREEN PARTY TOTALS

Tab, please post to Bugtrack.

TAB,
The DFM Import VREG file looks good to me. However, the GREEN party
totals are zeroes for all precincts in GEMS after the import is complete. There are no errors on the import noted by GEMS.

I have checked the export ID field in the base precincts and the GREEN Export ID of 22. This seems to check out. But, no totals on import for GREEN party. Others are correct.
Attached are:
1. Original Import of Data defining Voter Groups.
2. .GBF of database
3. VREG Import File

===============

They end up blaming it on various things like duplicate ID numbers and minor parties, but he insists that the Libertarians and other small parties work fine, it just won't import the Greens.

[BevHarris]

22. dup, ignore me please no text

I said no text.

[BevHarris]

23. bpilgrim's search engine is addictive isn't it? more words to try:

flaw, flawed, broken, workaround, fix, "doesn't work", security, incorrect, wrong, mistake, "send me the file"

On edit: "send me the file" is always what they say when they have no explanation. However, it gets about 2,800 hits. urk.

[dmr]

26. Typed in 'fraud': LA republicans won't use internet voting

for their caucus ....

To: "Global Sales" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: Louisiana Reps scrap Net voting plan
From: "Steve Knecht" <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:24:10 -0700

--------------------------------------------------------

FYI
-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Alexander <[e-mail]>
To: Internet Voting Task Force <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 3:31 PM
Subject: Louisiana Reps scrap Net voting plan


>Hi everyone,
>
>In case you missed it, the news is out that Louisiana's Republican Party will not go forward with a plan to cast their caucus votes on the Internet.
>
>Below is the Benton Foundation's recap of a story on today's New York Times Cybertimes from Rebecca Fairley Raney, who you may recall also wrote a story for Cybertimes about our task force. The url for her whole story is below. See you all in San Mateo on Thursday -- Kim
>
>PLAN FOR INTERNET VOTING IN LOUISIANA FALLS APART
>Issue: Internet/Voting
>Louisiana Republicans will have to vote the old-fashioned way the next time they conduct their caucus votes for Presidential candidates early next year.

>The Louisiana Republican Party originally planned to use the Internet to cast votes, but bitter conflict within the party scrapped the plan. On June 12, the party voted against the plan. Mostly conservative Republicans opposed the plan saying the risk of voter fraud made the plan impractical. Backers of the plan wanted a good image for the state: "This is where Louisiana a chance to say, 'We're the first in history."

>
>(http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/06/cyber/articles/22vote.html)
>


This also came up under fraud, discussing thousands of errors in Fresno's water district voting, this needs a programer to review, cuz it's full of numbers: http://www.sunrise.it/s/lists/support.w3archive/200301/msg00168.html

[Andy_Stephenson]

24. RE: Touch Screen Calibration with BS Software

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To: <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Touch Screen Calibration with BS Software
From: "Ken Clark" <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:01:01 -0700
Importance: Normal
In-Reply-To: <042301c15cb5$aad61f80$3c03a8c0@obrien>

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From: [e-mail] On Behalf Of Ian S. Piper
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:00 AM


It would be interesting to know how the palm pilot handles mis-calibrations and factory setups. They might do it through software controls or they may have some interface port that allows for an alternate input device.

No; they use the proceedure I described: double entry. If you screw up twice, you are deemed too stupid to own a palm pilot. Then you remove the batteries and get factory defaults, and start over.
My understanding, from Tab's explanation of the magic PCMCIA card, is that the system would boot and operate from the image on that card. Would this magic PCMCIA card allow changes to the "Internal Flash Filesystem"?

Yes, but lets not wade too deep here, okay.

Ken

[shirlden]

27. I think we should "wade" very deep.

A rainy day here in Ohio.....just perfect for wading.

See ya in the file room.

:kick:

[nostamj]

28. We need to defuse this ASAP

From: [e-mail]
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:16 PM
To: Bugtrack@Gesn. Com
Cc: Barry Herron; Barry Herron
Subject: El Paso Run-Off Election Font Problem

We have had a complaint in El Paso, Texas. It is alleged that during the past runoff election on one particular race that the font for one candidate was some how presented in a different font or type face than the competing candidate. Since this candidate lost, she claims unfair advantage to the winner since it is alleged that his font was larger than hers, thus, enticing the voter to chose her opponent instead of her.

I have discussed this with Rodney Turner since he was the Global Support Representative for this account at the time; and he has looked in GEMS and assures me that Arial Thin 11 was used for both candidate names.

Question # 1; is it possible that during the download to the R4 units that this font may have been changed by the Ballot Station software when it was rendering the GEMS originate font or type face?

Question # 2; is there a way to make sure that what was sent as a font type was indeed what was rendered on the Ballot Station with out just by eyeball alone. Since this is what has created the dilemma in the first place by someone who has made the assumption that it is different just because that is what they perceived by looking on the screen, I would like to be in our explanation to El Paso, a bit more scientific about this. Specially that we are waiting for them to sign a county wide order for three (3) million dollars soon, (I hope).

If this goes to court we may have to prove that it is the same. I will arrive on site on Monday the 15th and I will get a copy of the GEMS data base and a copy of a ballot station disc files to send as a follow-up to this bug track.

We need to defuse this ASAP. Please respond, thanks.

http://www.sunrise.it/s/lists/support.w3archive/200204/msg00067.html

[nostamj]

29. I didn't do it, no one saw me do it, you can't prove anything

Must be election season; time for the annual BOD RCR.

> We need a print window or modification to the current print
> window for the
> BOD customers that can bring up the Reporting Precinct Name not
> number, and the Party Name not card. This way, they can select the ballots they wish to print without having to look up the information on one of our reports.


Official response:

Global has contracted with RX Laser to deliver Ballot On Demand
functionality. Requests relating to BOD should be directed to them. The GEMS Print Artwork dialog is not, and was not designed to be, a Ballot On Demand printing system. It is designed to generate postscript files to create typesetter's plates for printing.

GEMS does provide an export of the ballot artwork relationship data:
File->Export Results->Export Card Info. This text file can be parsed and, together with the a directory of postscript artwork files, used as input for a Ballot On Demand system provided by RX or CMIS or whomever. The export file contains the report precinct name and party name.


Unofficial response:

This exact same request was sent by Jeff last year, and by Sophie the year before that. Repeating the official response is getting a bit tired. It is also more than a little unfair to anyone who has to deal with BOD accounts, since they invariably end up having to make due with the GEMS Print Artwork dialog and reports.

We'll see what we can do to make the print artwork dialog a little more "BOD friendly". It is not as simple as adding report precinct name and party name, because that does not deal with multi-card ballots nor split precincts. We'll try to take care of those cases as well.

Disclaimers:

a.. This doesn't make GEMS a BOD system. Treating it as such is a mistake.
b.. This doesn't solve any of the problems associated with BOD printers
not meeting Ian's ballot artwork specification. Using ballots that do not meet spec is a mistake.
c.. Continuing to sell BOD when we do not have a workable BOD system is a mistake.
d.. I didn't do it, no one saw me do it, you can't prove anything.
Ken

http://www.sunrise.it/s/lists/rcr.w3archive/200001/msg00066.html

[Cheswick2.0]

30. Bpilgrim, you are, at least for today, my hero

I can not tell you how much I appreciate the efforts You, Bev and TIA are making. Did I leave anyone out? Eloriel too!


Now please, someone, look into putting together an activist kit for taking to the state legislatures and governors. We must convince them to scrap electronic voting machines.

Can we have a class? Can someone set up a series of meetings around the country to teach us how to present this in front of the people who create the laws? I know this is an expensive campaign we need to run here. Can we get funding from somewhere to defend voting rights?

I can go to Governor Rendell. I worked my ass off for free for 9 months to get the man elected. I have the ear of several people who are influencial with him. I ran a county campaign office and I can get a meeting with him I am almost positive. I know my local state Rep, I can get a meeting with him, no problem! I just have no idea how to present this problem to them in a way that will be convincing and understandable.

[Andy_Stephenson]

34. Me too....I can call and visit...

but it would be pointless without the information to present easily by a novice.

[seemslikeadream]

35. No Receipts Allowed

If a voter is worried that the machine may not have processed her vote correctly, why doesn't it just print a receipt? After all, when I play the lottery, I get a ticket, and it's that ticket that allows me to claim the prize.
Some candidates have figured out that it can be cheaper to pay voters directly for their votes than to spend the money campaigning and risk losing on Election Day. If you think about it, though, you might wonder how the candidate could ever know whom I voted for. What a fool he would be to pay money and never be able to verify that it had done any good. However, if the voting system printed a receipt that recorded my choices, it would violate the vote-buying prohibition of Commandment III, since I could redeem the receipt for cash from an unscrupulous canidate. (I leave it to your political imagination to determine whether any such people exist.) Without a receipt you would think he has only my word for how I voted, but even this is not true. Every card, mark-sense and electionic system can easily be used to implement vote-buying, but not on a large scale. (I won't publish how this is done, but it is absurdly simple.) Receipts would turn the practice into a virtual epicemic.
Just want to make sure that we understand the implications of such a request.
Guy



Posting more for a kick. Nothing earthshattering but look how Guy is trying to protect our vote, not giving us a receipt so we can sell it.

[Eloriel]

37. That argument, btw, is a huge red herring

Even tho it gets tossed out by Secretaries of State and others, ESP. vendors.

With a voter-verified paper ballot, there's no reason to ALLOW the voter to take a "receipt" home with them. In fact, if you do that (unless it's an extra copy, as from NCR paper), you don't have a mechanism for a recount should that be needed. You have the voter verify their paper ballot post-electronic voting, then drop it in a locked box, just as they used to do with regular non-computerized paper ballots.

Just so everyone knows. ;-)

Eloriel

[seemslikeadream]

38. Thanks Eloriel

for clarifying

[seemslikeadream]

36. Is it just me

or has Italy been shut down?

[spotbird]

39. It's gone to me also.

How did they do that?

[Andy_Stephenson]

40. I am having trouble with Pilgrims now...

did they take him down?

[nostamj]

41. i believe that bpilgrim's search engine

was searching an index of the Italian files. so if that's down, you'd get the search results from his index but not be able to connect.

he did mention another set in Canada though.

[leftchick]

42. uh, oooh....I can't access it!

did they shut you down bpilgrim?!? :(

[BevHarris]

43. I have a question: Non-DMCA countries

Yes, there are some. I keep seeing references to them, but no listing of who they are. For example, an article about how non-DMCA countries can't get access to a music program; lots of articles that say most countries are signed on (they had to or they would lose financial aid from the U.S., I guess). But not ALL are signed on.

Specifically: Is Brazil signed on? Is Venezuela? Iran? China? What about Tahiti? Pakistan? Korea? Thailand? African nations? Nigeria sends us all those stupid spams, obviously they have Internet access.

It would be very informative to have a complete list of non-DMCA compliant countries, as many people do get around nowadays, and all these countries may suffer if a presidential election goes crooked in the USA.

Impractical pipe dream of the day People say Diebold may just get hit with fines, if they ever get sued. But imagine this: Suppose the Global Election machines, which Diebold bought, liabilities and all, are found to have thrown the presidential election. Now if we really had one of those old fashioned feisty lawyers, what about including in the damages the $15 trillion the U.S. has lost due to the decisions of a certain president, if his election is shown to be wrongfully ascertained due to flawed voting machine results. Wanted: One old fashioned feisty lawyer.

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

44. When the laws in YOUR country won't do...

Good call on looking to places like Iran or Korea to illegally host the stolen file archive. Clearly your strategy of relying on friendly law-abiding countries isn't really working out. Although it does seem just a little hypocritical to trash diebold for having an office in Canada ("beyond the reach of the fbi") while simultaneously advocating hosting the set of stolen files in a charter member of the "Axis of Evil" (tm).

Good luck on your search for a sanity-impaired lawyer who'll take your hilarious multi-trillion dollar "case" for free.

JC

[ParanoidPat]

45. Wassamatta Tinfoil?

Someone post some of YOUR e-mail? LOL! :evilgrin:

BTW, do you have a link to where the quote "beyond the reach of the fbi"?
IIRC, the statement was, 'It makes it harder for the F.B.I. to kick in their front door!', or something to that effect. :)

Oh! And thanks for the :kick:

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

46. sticks and stones

Your juvenile (and amusingly speculative, lol) taunting doesn't really address the point, which was the hypocritical advocacy of circumventing the law by hosting stolen material in foreign, unfriendly countries that might be willing to violate accepted international copyright law. :thumbsup:

You're welcome for the kick, I'm happy to kick anything that exposes all this shady hypocrisy.
:kick:

JC

[BevHarris]

47. In honor of the concept of civil disobedience, new thread.

The truth is, it is Diebold Election Systems who has been "circumventing the law" and in a matter as critically important as our vote, both civil disobedience and workarounds are entirely appropriate and yes, I'll do my part by researching which countries are non-DMCA, mainly so the typical 3-day period where the memos are posted can be extended, in order to allow the press to get a good look at them. I'll launch a thread to this effect.

Bev Harris

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

48. kickity kick

"No, Bev, the truth is that Diebold Election Systems is only allegedly "circumventing the law". You, on the other hand, are advocating breaking it (or, advocating other people break it -- I don't see you volunteering to host the stolen files yourself) so that you can generate more publicity for your unpublished book.

JC

[Cocoa]

49. maybe Gandhi can write a blurb for the back cover

Which reminds me, remember that thread where you had everyone brainstorming names of people to endorse your book? Whatever happened to that, did any of those people get advance copies, any responses?

There were some mighty impressive names on that list. Jimmy Carter, I think, MLK III, Mother Theresa, etc. etc. Made me think, wow, if those people might endorse the book, it must be one fantastic book.

[TinfoilHatProgrammer]

50. Gandhi may be unavailable

Maybe Bev can dedicate her book to Kim Jong Il or Mohammed Khatami and all the other brave defenders of democracy and freedom.

I'm still waiting on the free copy I was promised.

JC

[DWright]

52. sad

This little troll tag-teaming is truly a sad display.

Oh, and kick.

[PATRICK]

51. typed in "tweak"

and instead of the 9 GEMS subject memos listed I got a liberal humor page. I would suggest vocabiulary that is neutral but connected to possible illegal activity.

[LanternWaste]

53. This is really good stuff!

This is good stuff. This is really good stuff. I'd better be readng about this in my daily paper pretty damn soon...

[Cocoa]

54. are you able to get to the memos?

when you say it's good stuff, it sounds like you're basing that on reading the memos.

[LanternWaste]

55. No. Just reading portions of the memo's previously copied

No. Just reading portions of the memo's previously copied onto this thread. By the time I had tried, the cord had laready been pulled.

[bpilgrim]

56. who has a back-up of these files so i can put them online

i started to but i only got two directories...

DU me if you have an url, thanks :toast:

peace

[Ani Yun Wiya]

57. About a back-up.

I saw indications that there were about 14,000 files.
Do you how many were .jpg, .doc, .bin and other types besides .html?

In other words, what was the total of messages as opposed to other types of files?

[BevHarris]

58. These are all html files

there were many others in the memo file, though, which included a whole bunch of vote databases. But the memos are just html, usually one page.

I'm behind the times, I guess; Someone called me and I guess they have gone up again at a new address, but quietly this time, until two more mirrors are also up, at which time I guess the Diebold whack-a-mole will begin again.

[Ani Yun Wiya]

59. If the messages were html.

I may have all of them.
That is if the total of the message was about 8200 files.

[BevHarris]

60. Hmm... I think bpilgrims search logged 14,000

and there is another directory, bugzilla, that is only up some places.

By the way, bpilgrim is re-indexing them with a search going to a new site, I do believe. That new address, unindexed, is now available at http://www.blackboxvoting.org

[BevHarris]

61. Oh, and Ani Yun Wiya -- I am very interested in your take on

the Volusia County memo series (Support directory, Jan. 2001) which deals with discrepancies, the minus 16,022 votes for Gore. I know you've done groundbreaking work auditing the Florida vote counts.

Love to hear your comments on this.

Bev

[DEMActivist]

62. Bev, you need to call me.

It's important.

[Ani Yun Wiya]

63. Do you mean this one?

-----Original Message-----
From: Lana Hires
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:07 AM
To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]
Cc: Deanie Lowe
Subject: 2000 November Election

Hi Nel, Sophie & Guy (you to John),
I need some answers! Our department is being audited by the County. I have been waiting for someone to give me an explanation as to why Precinct 216 gave Al Gore a minus 16022 when it was uploaded. Will someone please explain this so that I have the information to give the auditor instead of standing here "looking dumb". I would appreciate an explanation on why the memory cards start giving check sum messages. We had this happen in several
precincts and one of these precincts managed to get her memory card out of election mode and then back in it, continued to read ballots, not realizing that the 300+ ballots she had read earlier were no longer stored in her memory card . Needless to say when we did our hand count this was discovered.
Any explantations you all can give me will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks bunches,
Lana

This and subsequent responses in no way indicated at what point the "negative number" turned up.
When Lana "uploaded" the mystery memory card is a mystery to me.
Was she in "audit mode" after the fact of 11/7? (ie:1/17/01)
Was she duplicating what occurred on 11/7?

The documents from the canvassing board hand count that I have show sheets dated 11/12/00 and a final determination on 11/14/00.

The numbers below indicate a difference of about about 80,000 between those registered and those who voted.

I have no way to tell if 16,022 somehow disappeared on the whole for that county.

I also have no way of knowing why there is a difference between what the county certified for itself and what the State DOE certified for the same county.


1.Total registered voters 265,797 (As of August 2003)

2.Total ballots cast 2000 Presidential Race-184,064(per county SOE)
3.Total ballots cast 2000 Presidential Race-184,153(per DOE)

Precinct 216 is also a very small one, where -16,022 for any candidate should have gotten some kind of notice.

[althecat]

64. Dana Milbank Wash Post wrote about this at the time....

for the Wash Post... someone should email her/him and tell him about the latest development. In the story from the time the WashPost accepted the corrupted memory card line.... the memo now clearly states that this is not possible (Tab says that a memory card cannot be partially fuxored.. which makes sense). Strikes me that the WashPost ought to do a follow up on this