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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 06:58 PM
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Note to Biden and Edwards: Howard Dean speaks for me.
When he says that DeLay belongs in jail, he speaks for me.

When he says that a lot of Republicans never made an honest living in their lives, he speaks for me.

And, when he says, "YEEAARRGH," he speaks for me.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:00 PM
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1. Joe "MBNA" Biden lost me with the Bankruptcy Bill
I'm thinking about filing bankruptcy while I can.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:45 PM
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27. Biden is the Dem's McCain = speaks out of both sides of his mouth
Likes to pretend to be independent when it's politically expedient.

They are both self-serving jerks.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:08 AM
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92. add "Whore" and Joe MBNA Biden should be his legal name
Edited on Mon Jun-06-05 10:08 AM by yurbud
Joe MBNA Whore Biden

that's truth in advertising.

Hillbilly Hitler art:



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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:01 PM
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2. I'll second that !
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:04 PM
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4. I third that.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 02:38 AM
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77. I'll quadruple that. Biden does NOT speak for me. He speaks for
the credit card companies.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:03 PM
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3. Joni Mitchell speaks for me.
Often, Paul Simon speaks for me, or Jackson Browne, or Rickie Lee Jones, or Emmylou Harris.

I'm not a cult follower of these folks, but their work just absolutely blows me away.

I feel as if I am disappeared into the sound they project and the words they use to invoke images and emotions.

I'm not staking new ground here, I realize.

But I just wanted to acknowledge their talent.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:38 PM
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60. Why don't you speak for yourself??
Why does someone else have to speak for you? Why can't you be your own leader and your own voice? What if Joni Mitchell does something that you don't like...then is she still speaking for you?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 02:09 AM
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76. Take the Buddhists' version of self, FreedomAngel82.
Edited on Mon Jun-06-05 02:10 AM by Old Crusoe
It is that there isn't one.

In truth, you missed the spirit of my post this time.

Not everybody is going to jump into this Edwards-Dean shitfight.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:10 AM
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93. We elect leaders to represent us, if they don't say and do what we want...
We don't have a real democracy.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 02:38 AM
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78. I agree with you 100%... How about Crosby, Stills & Nash!
I wish they would put a song right about now.
We could use their inspiration... maybe even
Peter, Paul & Mary too..
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 04:08 AM
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83. Hi, BigBearJohn. Your post put me in the mind of CSN&Y's
"Find the Cost of Freedom" -- and how their voices mesh and cascade.

Almost a flight, or suspension in air of some kind.

Whatever it is, it knocks me out.

Art, film, music, drama, comedy, dance etc all do a lot of "speaking" and I wish we would more often turn to those sources rather than do candidate wars.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:55 PM
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97. Oh God, I'm sitting here with goosebumps
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:37 PM
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111.  I hear ya. I am right with those four politically on songs like that --
-- and "Ohio" and so forth --

but I can never match their harmonies.

Can those people sing.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:04 PM
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5. The last time Biden criticized Dean, sent him a letter saying...
You misjudge the breadth of your political support. Because you do the bidding of banks in your home state and don't impede the GOP too much in Washington, you think you are popular, but outside the beltway you are seen as a coward at best.

Howard Dean speaks for the rest of us struggling to make a living, and if you have any advice for him contact him privately and shut the fuck up in public. You and those like you are the reason the democractic party and democracy itself is dying in America, because you sell out the people whenever the price is right.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:14 PM
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17. Whoa. I LIKE it.
I like it a lot.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #5
26. Very good message!
:thumbsup: Keep it up. It may sink in some day.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:05 AM
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68. Biden appears to have pretty broad political support
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:20 AM
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71. Biden got re-elected with 135,000 votes?! How is Delaware a state?
that's a big part of a very small pie.

Whatever his support is in his home state for bringing home the pork or serving the credit card companies there, I don't think too many people in the rest of the country are wishing he were president.

Hillbilly Hitler art:



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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 05:25 AM
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84. hey, does that mean california can...
conquer delaware by sending some spare people? :D

if we ship oakland over there alone we can double the state's population and take it over making it solidly blue. 1 congressperson (keep sheila jackson lee :D) and 2 senators in the bargain! whoopie!

heh, i forget some states are really quite low in population. maybe we can get a good portion of the angry washington d.c. folks to go register in delaware for 2006, conquer it, and then use the 2 senators to give real voting power to the people who live in d.c. :silly:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 05:44 AM
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85. There's actually sort of a precedent for that.
Before the Civil War, thousands of New England abolitionists emigrated to Kansas Territory to keep it from gaining statehood as a slaveholding state.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:01 AM
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90. good idea--would be easiest with Wyoming
Population 8 people, 2 million cows.

Hillbilly Hitler art:



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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #90
105. where are we going to get 2 million more cows...?
:D

if i remember correctly wyoming is not too far in population from delaware. both are around 400k right?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #105
108. temp agency
I think I read deleware has 600K and Wyoming has 400K
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:05 PM
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6. Even if I didn't agree with what Dean said....
...I do, but let's be hypethetical here for a moment.

Even if I didn't and I was a dem in any kind of position of literal or figurative authority within the party, my only statement would be that there is enough room for a wide range of opinions and democrats stand with one another. Any dem who was asked about this could have turned this thing around in a second to whichever media figure was asking them about this and said "There are many more subjects of much higher importance than whether or not you guys (the media) can get us (dems) at each other's throats."

But no. Repbublicans who want to be leaders within their party or hold any higher office must cater to and defend their most extreme fringe elements, and dems must prove themselves by turning on their own in even the most innocuous of circumstances.

I expect the spinelessness from the media. I'm tired of having to expect it from dems and I'm tired of them playing right into the media's hands with this shit.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:16 PM
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19. Another most excellent post -- please write him with this
(as if that would make any difference)
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 02:42 AM
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79. Bravo! Well said!
:thumbsup:
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:12 PM
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7. that's nice
but when Dean says

"that a lot of Republicans never made an honest living in their lives,"

he doesn't speak for me

in fact, when he insults Republicans like this he hurts my efforts to convince Republicans I know to vote Democratic.

he hurts the party in it's attempts to garner votes from Republicans.

It's the DNC chair's job to bring people into the party, not drive them away.


Biden and Edwards are well within their rights to criticize Dean when he makes statements that could potentially harm the party.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:49 PM
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10. Entrenched Republicans--neocons, fr**pers, etc.--will never vote...
...Democratic, no matter what you do. Others, who might be potential Democratic voters, will only become as enflamed by Gov. Dean's comments as the right wing media tell them to. And, whenever we show our collective jugular vein--as Biden and Edwards have done, in this case--the media will sink their teeth in even further. We need to take a page from the Right's playbook, and remain unflappable.

Gov. Dean did not make a party-damaging comment. Let's not turn it into one just because the media come aroung sniffing for blood.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. Dean spoke for me with his words, and **you** speak for me in your
reply to this thread.

Thanks!

:thumbsup:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #12
21. What a nice thing to say.
Thank you! :)
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:59 PM
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30. Dean did not insult just entrenched "neocons, freepers, etc."
he insulted all Republicans. And to say that the rest "would only become inflamed if the right wing media tells them to". is a further insult. You do not win people over to your side by insulting them or making shallow charactorizations of their motives or intelligence.

Dean's mouth is rapidly making him a liability. Dean needs to watch what he says a lot more carefully - his job is to organize the party, raise money, and get more people to vote for Democrats - not become a center of attention - and especially not to say things that put other Democrats on the spot - because I'm sure there are other things Biden would rather be using his air time to talk about.

Don't spin this into a "right wing media going after Dean's blood" Dean put the blood in the water - he's a national figure - he's the chair of the DNC - and when someone of his stature says something like he did - it's newsworthy.





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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:59 PM
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43. Exactly, that's how Repukes took control of all three branches of govt!
They always watch what they say. They never, ever villify liberals. And they never, ever rally their base with any red meat. :sarcasm:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:54 PM
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52. I didn't say that. You're putting words in my mouth.
I said that, no matter how hard you try, *those* people will never vote Democratic.

And, of all the positives to come out of the "Take Back America" conference, the media has grabbed this meme and stuffed it down the country's throat. To point that out should not be insulting to anyone but the media.

And, Republicans' motives or intelligence notwithstanding, the mainstream media supplies the vast majority of their (and all Americans') information. If not for the reporting about this comment, most of the country would probably not even be aware that a conference took place.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:41 PM
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64. Thank you
I do like Dean and think he's perfect for the job, but when he paints all republicans together it's a turn-off. Why should a republican vote for a democrat when the leader of the party said that you've never worked an honest day job in your life? I think a lot of the republicans (not the freeper types) are a lot more like us then we think. We just have some disagreements on issues and we have different ways of doing something, but why should a republican vote democratic with insults coming at them? Dean should be more clear in his sentences when he says something like that and talk about the leadership and not the people in general. I believe it was Blitzer who pointed that out to him and Dean agreed.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 10:06 AM
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91. The big difference between Dean and other Dems
When he talks, he sounds like a real person, and what he says makes sense whether you agree or not, because he's not usually trying to "triangulate" between what real people want and need and what big business demands.

He is talking WITH us, not down TO us after figuring out how to fool us back in the smoke-filled room.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:33 PM
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22. It's the notion tht speaking the truth "hurts the party" that has hurt
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 08:35 PM by Eloriel
the party most of all.

Here is a list of just a few "conversion" threads I've accumulated over the last couple of weeks -- -- no! I KNOW -- that principled Repubicans and conservatives still appreciate honesty. And when people are in personal "it looks to me like the emperor has no clothes" mode, anyone speaking THEIR truths (validating them) will most certainly attract them.

We HAVE to get over our collective and individual codependence.

Ooops -- forgot the list:

Pa. GOP honcho blasts right wing, switches parties
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1825375
Link: http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-06022005-497208.html

Republican says his party has been taken over by "a bunch of kooks"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1811231

Are we witnessing the collapse of the Republican Party?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3732175

The Good Republicans (Plaid Adder)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3729680#3733287

Post in this thread:
Voinovich is in tears on Senate floor!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1809081&mesg_id=1809207

A Voter Switches Party Affiliation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1803102&mesg_id=1803102

Something in the air? Lots of converted Repubs....
(links to the following three threads)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3654563

New to DU by reformedrepub (14 posts at the time)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1780575

OMG - my parents LEAVE the Republican Party!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3652906

Hi, my name is Stacy, and I'm a recovering Republican...................
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3651186&mesg_id=3651186&page=
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #7
23. If you have to "convince" Repubs to vote Democratic
I wish you lots of luck. They're already too far gone. Dean isn't the issue, anyway. bush and his cronies and the self-serving GOP is.

Dean speaks for me.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #23
32. three Republicans I know voted for Kerry in 2004
due in no small part to my efforts.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #32
44. Kerry seems to have lost. Just like Gore. Perhaps it's time to fight back?
Ya think?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #44
66. Wrong stickdog
The election in 2000 was stolen. Al Gore won and it was going to be shown on September 12th, 2001 but we know what happened. There is no proof to prove that George Bush "won" this last election with no paper trails and so many problems with the machine's. So Kerry, in my opinion, didn't win or lose and neither did George Bush even though he is in the House (illegally).
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #66
67. Even more reason to stop pulling our punches. Wouldn't you agree?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #32
58. At least three Repubs I know voted for Kerry, too,
Repubs who were already disgusted with their party and its so-called leaders. They didn't need convincing.

I commend your efforts, but I'm disgusted with Repubs who can't wrap their minds around the reality of what is happening to our country. I blame them, I blame them for their ignorance, their arrogance, and their stubbornness.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #32
65. Same here
My grandparents are republicans and have been since they could vote and they voted for Kerry. My mother voted for Kerry as a republican but she is no longer one and all because I filled her in on issues and whatnot. I don't know if she's a democrat but this next election term for the first time she's going to vote straight democratic. We want to open our doors to people and reach out. Not turn them off by insults.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #7
41. So your strategy is to look for Dem votes among Repuke policy makers?
I think non-voters and independent voters would be a better place to start. Don't y'all?
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #7
74. Agree paulk! n/t
Dean realized his error and corrected himself. Apparently, there are some here who disagree with Dean's clarification.

I think Dean did the right thing by clearing up his broad stroke statement. Good move Dean!
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:43 PM
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8. Dean speaks for me too
Most of the Rethug leadership is so out of touch with the working person, it's pathetic so many blindly support them.

Dean's got a spine and proves it every day. If only all the others would catch on!

Julie
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. Exactly. And, even though his preceding comment was...
...about voters, it is abundantly clear to me that the shot was aimed at Republican party leadership.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 07:47 PM
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9. That scream perfectly captured how I feel about everything these days.
Howard Dean has my everlasting respect for that -- and for everything he's said since.

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:06 PM
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13. It's obvious that he scares beltway Dems...
...and that's just what they need to be! Fear can make a person fight - that's what Biden should be doing - FIGHTING!

Dean speaks for me 100%!:thumbsup:

Nominated!
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #13
18. They should all be fighting.
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 08:40 PM by Rhiannon12866
But they should save their energy to fight the corporate thieves, the polluters, the liars, this illegal administration and the Republican majority in Congress, not each other.:grr:
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 06:19 AM
Response to Reply #18
87. That's what being in a bubble does to you...
...you feel safe and therefore feel no urge to fight. The Democratic Party needs to, for the sake of the Country, focus its efforts like a laser beam.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. And I would suggest that any Dems scared by Gov. Dean's words...
...ought to step outside the beltway and take a fresh look at who actually elected them. Whenever Democrats start pandering, I begin to wonder if their chains are just as easily yanked by corporations and "special interests" as the Republican's are.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:41 PM
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24. Oh, you can cease wondering
You've correctly identified one of THE biggest problems that our fine elected Dems have. :puke:

And I agree that stepping outside the beltway and actually TALKING to people (like Dean does) -- and by "talking" I really mean doing a LOT of mostly listening, while asking questions otherwise -- they'd find out a lot. Dean does that unceasingly and in the process gets his finger on the very pulse of America -- just like a good doctor would.

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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:20 PM
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35. I agree, there's been a lot of politeness
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 09:22 PM by MissWaverly
The dems in the Senate are so worried about being polite, I wish they were more worried about the people being tortured in GITMO right now this minute and all the people being tortured in Iraq and all those who have been rendered to countries to be tortured and all those who have died in Iraq. We are talking about being innocent civilians being killed in a trumped up war and people being tortured w/o a trial, and people get upset because some Republicans might have had their feelings HURT over a remark by the DNC chair. What is wrong with this picture.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:09 PM
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14. I agree with those sentiments, exactly
GO, Howard, GO!!!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:11 PM
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15. Biden speaks for credit card companies, NOT me.
Sorry Joe, used to respect you a lot too.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #15
72. I have so much trouble contributing to the DNC, even with Gov. Dean...
...at the helm. I gave regularly to Dean for America because it supported a candidate with integrity who wasn't in the thrall of special interests.

Now, though, I can't help thinking that my money would be supporting Democratic candidates who are happy with the status quo and no more eager to buck their corporate puppetmasters than are their Republican counterparts.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:13 PM
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16. AMEN!!! AMEN!!! And thanks for saying it.
How 'bout we:

1) Put that very statement (or similar) on the DNC blog and

2) write Biden and Edwards and tell THEM the same thing.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:43 PM
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25. Whenever the RW Media tries this crap, the official Dem answer...
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 08:43 PM by Fridays Child
...should always be, "More than (fill in the blank) American soldiers have died for the lies of the Bush administration, and you want to talk about THIS?"
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:01 PM
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31. Hell of an idea! I wish they would.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:22 PM
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55. It should be the only response.
In my opinion. :)
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ImADeanDem Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:41 PM
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63. Standing ovation for this suggestion!!
You are so right. Now if only they'd pay attention to this brilliant idea!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:49 PM
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28. I just hope Dean addresses: "The U.S. is maintaining an archipelago of ...
.... prisons around the world, many of them secret prisons, into which people are being literally disappeared, held in indefinite, incommunicado detention without access to lawyers or a judicial system or to their families," Schulz said.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/05/amnesty.detainee/index.html

HEY EVERYONE, THAT'S CNN REPORTING SCHULZ'S STATEMENTS -- write them and thank them for doing so.


Dr. Dean, please, continue to be cogent and forceful. "We The People...." are ready for some real Democratic Party leadership. You seem to have a clue what that means. Just make it stick, 24/7.

And, Dr. Dean, please note:
We have all the evidence of mendacity and illegal war-making we need to indict and prosecute Bush, Blair and every other neoconster scum-bag on the planet having any involvement in the Bush's illegal war on Iraq and all the torture and other atrocities that have been committed since August 2002.




Emad Hajjaj, Al-Ghad Newspaper, Amman, Jordan

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq, and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."


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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 08:51 PM
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29. Note to Joe BIDEN & JoeMentum: Become Democrats, Then Get Back to Me n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:04 PM
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33. Tell it to them:
Joe Biden:
http://biden.senate.gov/contact/emailjoe.cfm

Dr. Howard Dean, Chairman DNC
http://www.democrats.org/contact/

I don't have a current address for John Edwards. If you have it, post it.

I'm sending a personal message of support to the Dr. plus a link to this thread and the thread in LBN.
I'm sending Biden links to these threads also.


Let DEAN know that he does SPEAK FOR US!!!



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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:29 PM
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38. Thanks for that.
I sent Biden a note at your link. :thumbsup:
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:08 PM
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34. Dean has more cajones than Edwards & Biden will ever have
"YEEAAAAAAARRGH"
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:27 PM
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36. Dean speaks for me - that's why I sent $40 to the DNC
The first time I have ever CONSIDERED donating to them. Dean speaks for me - finally someone does.
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rainman99 Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:29 PM
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37. What did Edwards say about Dean?
Hadn't heard about this.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:11 PM
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46. Something to the effect that Dean doesn't speak for the party.
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 10:13 PM by Fridays Child
If I can find the exact quote, I'll edit this post to add it.

Edit: Responding to Dean's initial remark, Edwards said Dean ''is not the spokesman for the party.''

From http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Democrats-Dean.html?
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:46 PM
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50. That's odd then who is or should be the spokesman for the party?
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:56 PM
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53. Yeah, it was a dumb comment.
I like Edwards but he blew it on this one.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:25 PM
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102. Way to take it out of context and misquote!
JUST like the MSM! Good job.

Edwards stated, that Dean is ONE VOICE and that he disagreed with that ONE COMMENT of Dean's.



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AmericanDream Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 03:14 AM
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81. He said that Dean is one of the many voices in the party
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:37 PM
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39. I wrote to Dr.Dean earlier today and told him the same thing
I thanked him for speaking out on my behalf, and let him know that I am sick of hearing rethugs (I used better language)everyday spew hideous things about both elected Dems & Democratic voters. I told Dr.Dean that those Democratic 'leaders' who say that he does not speak for him cannot serve two masters; they cannot serve corporate interest & the peoples interest at the same time. I then went on to say that the DLC is ripping apart our party, and that this is the sole reason that we are not winning elections with landslides.


I know that I need to write to Biden, but I'm still too pissed.


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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:48 PM
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40. Dean speaks for me
I probably wouldn't be so interested in politics if it wasn't for Dean.

Call me a Deaniac, but please don't call me a Bideniac.
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Yellow_Dog Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:58 PM
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42. with the infighting I see here
it is not for the democrats to win in 2008, or even 06, but for the repugs to loose.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:06 PM
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45. The infighting that matters ain't here.
The infighting that matters -- you know, that allows the the AP & NY Times to write Repuke attack ads in the guise of news -- is between the top down corporate and trial lawyer lobbyists and real, grassroots Democrats.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:12 PM
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47. John Edwards?
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:42 PM
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48. every week to ten days....
....now and into the forseeable future, Dean will say something 'brash'....and everytime he say something 'brash', he will speak for me....get used to it Biden and get with the game-plan....
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:52 PM
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51. At least Dean says something.
I am tired of Democrats remaining silent or like Biden slamming other Democrats who do speak up. As far as Biden and Leiberman are concerned Bipartisanship is dead and they are DINO's. They need to go join Zell Miller.

Will Rogers had it right Democrats are not an organized party.
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:44 PM
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49. Dean doesn't speak for me...
I like where his heart is at, but he's a bad, bad politician.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:05 AM
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69. So, who do you think is a GOOD politician? Because the only reason Dean's
getting hammered by the corpocracy is because he is a very effective politician.
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:58 PM
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54. I wrote Biden and Edwards. nt
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:31 PM
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56. Howard Dean speaks for me
Fuck the republicans! And fuck the brainless deluded idiots who vote for those fucks!
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:31 PM
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57. Howard Dean speaks for me. Pass it on.. (and kick) n/t
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:37 PM
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59. What Dean says
is true but does that mean he speaks for me? How do you know I don't disagree with what he says? I think this whole "Edwards and Dean need to shut up" ordeal is really immature. And here I thought democrats were for free speech. Huh I guess we're more like the republicans then I thought.
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:39 PM
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61. ME TOO!
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 11:39 PM
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62. count me in!!!!!
he DEFINITELY speaks for ME!
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:12 AM
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70. can i get an amen!
:woohoo:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:00 AM
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73. add another to the list
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lwin Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 02:03 AM
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75. John Edwards speaks for me
Will you pass it on as a fellow Dem?
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 03:12 AM
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80. Howard Dean speaks for me...
...and I hope he's reading this thread!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 03:26 AM
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82. The reported Dean/Biden/Edwards incident may be a LIE - see this thread:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 05:57 AM
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86. What I'd like to read or hear are Biden and Edwards' responses.
But I've yet to find a transcript or a recording of them. Biden made his alleged comments on This Week with Stephanopoulos and Edwards made his at a Nashville party fundraiser.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 12:44 PM
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96. Yes, so would I. The press has been running with this and we have been
responding to it like trained puppies - and there is no documentation at all. Like the notoriious "Dean scream" incident, I suspect that this has been blown up into something ugly-looking when it actually isn't that at all. The old divide-and-suppress neocon trick, courtesy of their compliant Poodle Press.

Yes, I'd like to see a joint statement by Dean, Edwards and Biden that clarify this and quote some of the distortions for what they are - smears. The distrust and distaste resulting from this described incident need to be cleared away. More importantly, people need to be reminded that you can't believe everything you read in the paper - and that some of the distortions and "errors" are deliberate parts of divisive strategies.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:04 PM
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99. Nobody distorted what Biden said
I heard the pig myself. He trashed Dean, right off a script that Al From wrote for him.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 09:25 AM
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89. Dean speaks for me, as well.
Rock on, Governor ! Keep handing them their asses.

The party machinery may desert you, but the working folks like me who have HAD IT with being sold out to the GOP WILL NOT desert you.


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SeattleRob Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:02 AM
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94. Go Howard!
I am sick of the Beltway Democrats continually caving in to the Thugs in the republican party. Our party is continually accomodating to the repugs -"Yes sir, May I have another!" - and look where we (our party and our country) are now. How much lower do we have to sink until people like Biden decide to grow a spine?

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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 11:08 AM
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95. Dean speaks for me. Go get 'em, Howard!
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:00 PM
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98. HOWARD DEAN SPEAKS FOR ME
If he offends the Republicans -- MORE POWER TO HIM!!!!!
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:07 PM
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100. Howard Dean speaks for me as well
Credit card companies do not speak for me. PNAC doesn't speak for me. The Likud party does not speak for me. Hair Club for men does not speak for me. Joe Biden does not speak for me, he speaks for them.
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:12 PM
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101. Dean speaks for me also, Edwards had his moment to speak up
and didnt, Biden is just another establishment DINO.

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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:29 PM
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103. Dean and Edwards will be appearing TOGETHER, AGAIN
at a DNC fundraiser next week. So to those of you who are buying into the MSM media meme, "The Democratic Party is broken," THE JOKE IS ON YOU!

:rofl:

Dean and Edwards are fighting, SIDE BY SIDE, for our party.

But, if you want to drink the MSM koolaid and believe the yappers, go right ahead. BWHAHAHAHA!!! Gee, I thought most DUers were more savvy than that. Apparently, some are not.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 01:33 PM
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104. Dean speaks for me very very loudly and clearly
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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 07:27 PM
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106. Nail Biden's ass to the wall. Here's his email address:
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 07:35 PM
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107. He speaks for me too
I listened to the whole address and he was spot on, and so was Arianna Huffington. Edwards came in a distant 3rd place next to the likes of those too.

I guess I'm a radical leftist. I believe that corporations have taken over the country. I believe that the republiccan party will lie steal cheat and kill for political power and money. I think they are as corrupt as the day is long. I think that many democrats in office are panderers including Hillary and Biden and Leiberman. I think that the working class in this country are getting screwed royally and we are the MORAL MAJORITY. I think that abortion and gay marriage are strawman arguments meant to obscure the devastating effects that current policies will have on us our children and out grandchildren.

I hate the republican party and everything they stand for. They are the real haters of America.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:15 PM
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109. No one says Yeeeaaargh like Dean
There will be many false prophets fall by the wayside if Dean stays sharp.
Biden has had too much Koolaid. I don't know about Edwards?

Dean speaks for me! :yourock: Howard

If the Dinos and righties don't like it, so be it.
They don't like most of the honest and truthful things.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-06-05 08:22 PM
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110. Dean speaks for me. So does Edwards. So does Clark. So does Kerry...
Ditto for Boxer, Kucinich, et al. Biden -- well, I've had a problem with him for some time, from his various Rose Garden photo-ops with The Chimp, to his Delaware-incorporated special interests, distancing himself from his party when expedient, etc.

But as for all good Democrats: Many voices, many styles, but one shared goal. :thumbsup:
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