This Skull and Bones/ Kerry thing has always bothered me...

[Viva_La_Revolution]

I'm sitting here having a conversation with a friend, and the whole Skull and Bones, Kerry thing comes up. Actually we were discussing Hillary Clinton, he heard she was a member. Google turns up the membership list, no Clintons on it. Kerry is on there of course.. and 6 Bushes. 6 members of one family (I haven't researched the names, are they all related?) compared to just 1 member for the Kerry Clan. My immediate response is relief... If there is anything to the Skull and Crossbones theory, at least Kerry isn't as deeply into it as the Shrub's family. We had some most excellent enlightening drunken conversations down at the bar tonight. The bartender who voted for Bush - "the lesser of two evils", the stranger who "was there in the 60's", and the friend of ours who threatened to kick the strangers ass, if he continued to speak condicendingly to us. Mike isn't political, says he doesn't have a clue what we're talking about, but by God, this is a America and this guy can't talk down to you like that. LOL! A true american!

Back to the point, I feel better about this Skull and Bones thing (Frat, Cult, ?). Maybe he just joined to have access to the 'elite' level? Has anyone else looked into this?

[freeplessinseattle]

1. Maybe he didn't know what it was all about

until it was too late?

[walldude]

117. C'mon, you don't really believe that do you?... n/t

[Imagevision]

144. When you read the list of members of coporate amerika who made

the list -- you'll have no problem understanding the ole saying that a handful of people control the world. Certainly the US.

[Erika]

2. Why aren't you more interested in W's membership?

since he has the power of the presidency behind him?

[Imagevision]

143. Yes but they're sworn to secrecy and vow NEVER to stab one another

in the back sort of tryte. Both refused to discuss it on talk shows however they both admitted they were members of voodoo bunch.

[bluestateguy]

3. I don't see how Hillary Clinton could be a member

She only went to law school there. S&B does not admit law students, only 15 undergraduate juniors every spring, most of whom are white, male, Protestant and from Established Anglo-American families.

[funflower]

4. Hillary did her undergrad at Wellesley. I don't think law students are in

the Skull & Bones, just undergrad seniors.

[Carolab]

5. Studied it all up and down. It's not something you can overlook.

Very, very serious stuff. Plus his mother's family, Forbes, is on the list.

This is the "who's who" in America, an exclusive club tied together by a very small group of families who are all socially, economically and politically connected, and whose main aim in life is to ensure that they are the "ruling class". That about sums it up.

And it really pisses me off, too, because my ancestors settled this country. Came from England as "political prisoners", to Plymouth, and married Lincolns and Boones.

And THESE guys are our "bluebloods"?

Only reason they think they are is that they lied, cheated and stole their way to fortune, and mostly through trading enterprises and starting up lines of credit through private banks, which eventually morphed into the PRIVATELY OWNED Federal Reserve Bank, on whose board sit these many "skull and bones" family members, from the Rothchilds to the Rockefellers, and you name it--and they control EVERYTHING.

The thing is, our banking wasn't supposed to be PRIVATE. Constitutionally, Congress is supposed to coin and dispense currency. This got distorted when the Fed was set up and that was the real beginning of the end of our "democratic experiment".

[Erika]

6. And there were 6 Bush's listed on it?

I thought they were just downhome Texans?

[Carolab]

7. Well, of course, the Bush family started it.

It's the American branch of the European masonic organization, "The Illuminati" (aka Bilderberg).

And we all know the Bush family is from Connecticut, NOT Texas.

And the Kerry-Forbes are Bush relatives, you know.

[Frederik]

42. Well, no

The "Illuminati" thing is a John Birch Society concoction. The European Illuminati, a masonic offshoot, had a short existance from 1776 to 1784, when it was dismantled by the king of Bavaria for "plotting a massive overthrow of European monarchies", or so the king alleged. Their membership list probably read like a who's who of Enlightenment figures, but was of course secret. We know of Goethe and Herder, two of the early German romanticists and proto-nationalists (but benign nationalists). The aim of the Illuminati - the enlightened - was to combat religious thinking and encourage rationalism. Certain American Evangelists see this as terribly pernicious, of course, and have constructed elaborate mythologies centred on the supposed continued existance of the Bavarian Illuminati. Personally, I would have endorsed the Illuminati and their project if I lived in late 18th century Europe.

Skull & Bones was inspired by German secret societies and masonic varieties, that is true, but there's probably no link with the Bavarian group (I can't see why brilliant minds like Goethe would have anything to do with Connecticut opium traders anyway).

There's absolutely no connection between Skull & Bones, The Bilderbergers, and the Bavarian Illuminati. The Bilderberg club was established in 1954 by Joseph H. Retinger, an agent of the Vatican and the Jesuits, and his friend, the Nazi collaborationist and major Royal Dutch Petroleum (later Shell) shareholder Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. There was from the start heavy oil interests in the Bilderberg club, the American "delegation" has been dominated by the Rockefellers and their proteges. Another key player in the early Bilderberg club was General Walter Bedell Smith, former CIA director, who would later become a UFO "enthusiast".

Financial institutions, especially investment and central banks, have also been well represented in the Bilderberg Club.

[Carolab]

47. Look at the membership crossover.

Tells you all you need to know about whether or not they are "connected".

Same players, different clubs, identical purposes.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2004/03-08-2004/bonesmen.htm

Yes, The Order boasts a membership roll that elicits oohs and ahs. Speaking of ahs, the most widely quoted so-called critic of the S&B likens the secret group to the beneficent and mysterious Wizard of Oz. In her highly praised 2002 "exposé," Secrets of the Tomb, Alexandra Robbins writes: "If the Wizard of Oz can represent Skull and Bones, then one must point out that, for a while, Oz needed its Wizard to provide balance and a constant current of reassurance." (Emphasis in the original.) You see, according to Robbins, we silly little Munchkin mortals need the paternalistic ministrations of The Order’s superior Wizards.

Alexandra Robbins has been much quoted and interviewed as a leading authority on S&B. Her book’s first chapter, "The Legend of Skull and Bones," begins with this description:

Sometime in the early 1830s, a Yale student named William H. Russell — the future valedictorian of the class of 1833 — traveled to Germany to study for a year. Russell came from an inordinately wealthy family that ran one of America’s most despicable business organizations of the nineteenth century: Russell and Company, an opium empire.... While in Germany, Russell befriended the leader of an insidious German secret society that hailed the death’s head as its logo. Russell soon became caught up in this group, itself a sinister outgrowth of the notorious eighteenth-century society the Illuminati.

According to Robbins, this is all lurid legend, much of it invented and spread by the Bonesmen themselves to enhance the sense of mystery and importance surrounding Skull and Bones. Ms. Robbins’ opening chapter combines descriptions of The Order’s bizarre initiation rituals with stories and rumors of the group’s wealth and power in a way calculated to discredit the most serious concerns about the group. Sure, it’s the ultimate "old boys network," with lots of juvenile mumbo-jumbo, but nothing to get worked up over.

Truth Behind the "Legend"

Much of what Robbins disingenuously dismisses as legend is verifiable fact, and much else is very probably fact, based on what can be determined from available evidence. Skull and Bones founder William H. Russell did indeed come from a wealthy opium-empire family. He did found S&B at Yale after spending 1831-32 studying in Germany. From S&B’s own documents, it seems that The Order may be but a U.S. chapter of a German secret society. And it is quite possible that the German society was (is) directly connected to the infamous Order of the Illuminati, which was founded in Germany in 1776. The Illuminati, which played a central role in the French Revolution and in spreading subversion and revolution throughout Europe, actually sent agents to the United States to overthrow our republic while it was still in its infancy. In a 1798 letter to Rev. G. W. Snyder, President George Washington acknowledged that these agents were then active here, spreading the Illuminati’s "diabolical tenets."*

That same year, 1798, Yale President Timothy Dwight warned that the Illuminati’s conspiratorial schemes "strike at the root of all human happiness and virtue … the overthrow of religion, government, and human society civil and domestic." These conspirators, said Dwight, are so committed to their evil ends "that murder, butchery, and war, however extended and dreadful, are declared by them to be completely justifiable, if necessary for these great purposes."

A few years later, in 1805, John Wood, a prominent political writer, surveyor and cartographer, wrote an important work entitled A Full Exposition of the Clintonian Faction, Society of the Columbian Illuminati. Mr. Wood’s exposé provided evidence that a number of prominent American individuals, including New York Governor DeWitt Clinton, were members of Illuminati lodges that had been established in this country.

So, it is not at all outlandish to suppose that there could have been a direct Illuminati link with the S&B founding, especially since the Illuminati and its subsidiaries were very active in Germany at the time Mr. Russell attended school there. The initiation methods of the Order of the Skull and Bones also closely parallel those of the Order of the Illuminati. Robbins’ book records that S&B initiates must engage in self-criticism and group criticism sessions that are so harrowing that some initiates have near nervous breakdowns. Author and Bones watcher Ron Rosenbaum has written that this self-abasement includes lying in a coffin naked and revealing one’s entire sexual history.

Ultimately, this "group therapy" helps bind the Bonesmen more closely than family. Robbins notes: "Eventually a member’s self-perception is so intertwined with his secret-society identity … that if he were to betray or leave Skull and Bones, he would lose what has become a major part of the way that he identifies himself."

If one reads the Illuminati’s initiation rites and the diabolical purpose for them, as described by Illuminati founder Adam Weishaupt, the similarity to the Bonesmen’s experience is striking. The purpose, according to Weishaupt, was not only to psychologically strip each initiate and create a powerful group identity through this shared experience; it also served an equally important objective of learning the weaknesses of each individual and any crimes or deeds of which he might be ashamed, for possible blackmail use in the future, should he decide to oppose or expose The Order. These same techniques were adopted and perfected by the Communists, and are used to varying degrees by the Mafia and other criminal conspiracies to maintain ironclad control over their members.

Secret societies are always inimical to a free society. It is impossible to judge whether elected and appointed officials are truly acting as public servants or are serving an agenda of hidden confederates, if membership in secret societies is permitted or winked at. Our constitutional republic is meant to function in an atmosphere of openness and transparency; it will not long survive if we allow those who fashion policies and legislation to operate in the shadowy corridors and chambers of secret societies. Members of Skull and Bones have occupied (and do today occupy) some of the most powerful positions in American public and private institutions. We should not allow the membership in this organization to be lightly dismissed, especially when it comes to candidates for the highest office in the land.

[FreedomAngel82]

56. Interesting

So they are connected? Just different name, different people and they could do different things? But they use each other. This could explain why Blair went along with Bush. Of course I did read that Blair got some military equipment they've been wanting.

[theboss]

115. I think you just described "Yale"

I don't see why it's bizarre that because all the bluebloods go to Yale that all the bluebloods have these connections. It seems logical.
I'm rich and powerful and in New Haven....You are rich and powerful and in New Haven...let's have a drink...and someday when I'm president, I'll make you secretary of labor or something.

[FreedomAngel82]

55. You're right

The Illumanti and Skull & Bones are two different things. The Illumanti is more free mason's (Tony Blair is rumored to be one and so is the Queen of England). If you want you can go to http://www.mininova.org and in the documentary section look for the film at the very bottom of the page called "The Illumanti." (It's mainly about Bush/Blair and the history of the two different socities)

[Carolab]

57. Look at this, and the connections to Hitler's Thule Society as well.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1314.cfm

Just different versions/branches of the same "new world order" movement, really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

[blm]

80. You do know Kerry's mom was burned out of her home in France by the Nazis?

And that Kerry's grandfather was Jewish?

Or didn't that fit into your Kerry = Bush storyline?

[emcguffie]

105. they are distant cousins.

They obviously are different kinds of people, but very much old eastern elite, and both related to kings of England.

I read somewhere that the Pierces (I think that's mom's side, but I'm not sure) were the -- gee, I can't remember the name. Maybe Parnell? And one of the Parnells was in on the plot to kill James the First. And that was when they packed up, came to America and changed their name.

On edit, it was Percy, and it is Barbara Pierce Bush.

[blm]

109. True. But to even imply that Kerry's family is linked to Nazis is absurd

on many levels, while Bush's connections are real.

Those looking to link Kerry and Nazis could do it with ANY American family if you want to go back far enough or twist into being so.

[emcguffie]

135. Well, I wasn't linking Kerry to Nazism. Just facts. nt

[Frederik]

64. I dunno

Lot's of rumors in this field, little known facts. People's imagination sometimes run amok a little. So Tony Blair being "Illuminati" doesn't tell me much - maybe there is a group that call themselves Illuminati, which simply means enlightened in Greek. I don't know if there's any evidence of that. But even if it were, that could be completely innocuous. Or not. But most of this Illuminati stuff is very little evidence and whole lot speculation.

[blm]

81. The speculation that Kerry and Bush are in it together is the MOST ABSURD

and those who promote it are without any answer to how anything in Kerry's recordcomes even close to what is shown in Bush's record. They are EXACT OPPOSITES from day one.

[DrDebug]

83. I'm sorry to say it, but there's a huge overlap

Skull and Bones was the American version of German "Brotherhood of Death" and that has its roots in Bavarian Illuminati.

The American Skull and Bones is a bloodline of Scottish Royals.

The Bilderbergs consists of 3 bloodlines of 13 members (originally + guests and other important people). The bloodlines are:

1. Kings of the Franks;
2. Scottish Royals (= overlap with Skull and Bones like Rockefellers)
3. Jesuits.

See stuff like this:
http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm
http://www.hierarchypedia.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Secret_societies
http://www.bilderberg.org/

[Frederik]

86. Much of that stuff

is unsubstantiated paranoia I'm afraid. That is especially true for all the theories about the "Illumminati". Bilderber.org is enjoyable, and I like a good conspiracy as much as the next "hard leftist", but it's really in the same category as Alex Jones: quite a bit of truth mixed with some myths and legends and vast stretches of the imagination. The "Kings of the Franks" is Priory of Sion/Da Vinci Code stuff, which I don't take very seriously. The Rockefellers don't descend from Scottish royalty, but from French Calvinists (huguenots) who emigrated to Germany and later to America. The Jesuit influence on the Bilderberg club, though, I don't discount. Opus Dei has wielded significant influence too, through the Cercle de Pinay.

[emcguffie]

103. So call it the "fellowship". nt

[Frederik]

104. But does it exist?

[emcguffie]

136. I am afraid so. Watch that video.

It's taken me a couple of months to come to the terrifying conclusion that it is all true.

And I'm in a state of terror, and feel as if I'm in a dream. Once you accept that it might be real, everything falls into place.

[Frederik]

139. When everything falls into place

something is always wrong. Some theories see both capitalism and communism, for instance, as results of one big conspiracy, whether Jewish or Masonic or NWO or Illuminati or whatever. The various "Illuminati" theories, espoused by the John Birch Society etc. and in a modified version by populist libertarians like Alex Jones, are the most all-encompassing CTs of all: international capitalism, communism, Nazism, environmentalism, 9/11, WWI and WWII, the French revolution, the United Nations, UFOs, chemtrails, (fill in whatever phenomenon you disapprove of), everything that doesn't conform to righteous American Christianity is created by the so-called Illuminati, conceived as a Lucifer-worshipping global elite (in some extreme versions, like in modern New Age Occult Neo-Nazi litterature, the Illuminati is construed as a Jewish elite, David Icke believes they are extra-terrestrial reptiles, while Alex Jones etc simply see them as the globalist political/economic/religious elite, or at least key members of it - Kofi Annan being one of them). To the best of my knowledge, the modern Illuminati thoeries can be traced back to the John Birch Society, the American far-right group which held as a truth that president Eisenhower was a Soviet spy.

I doubt he was. They also believed the McCarthy witchhunt, which they approved of wholeheartedly, was really a hunt for the "Illuminati". Similar theories are professed by the LaRouchists, who see the drug-running British royal family as the centre of evil.

That's not to say there aren't many elements of truth in many of those theories (well, excluding the neo-Nazi anti-Semitic theories, but that's not what we're talking about here). I'm not going to discount it all as "paranoia", because there's enough weird shit going on for a certain level of paranoia to be quite healthy, and there's quite a lot we're not told about on the "News".

But, when everything is synthesized into one big, all-encompassing conspiracy, connecting dots that aren't really connected, I think they lose touch with reality. Which is why I'm happy to say that I doubt the existance of the Illuminati, or the "Fellowship", or the "New World Order", or similar global Devil-worshipping elites. I could be wrong of course. I'll check out the video when I have the time.

[Carolab]

141. I was being facetious.

The Bush family didn't start it, of course, although Erika seems to think they did, with SIX, after all, SIX family members.

It's not that old an organization here but it does have "international" ties. See below.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

74. 6

Bush Derek C. 1967
Bush George Herbert Walker 1948
Bush George Walker 1968
Bush James S. 1922
Bush Jonathan J. 1953
Bush Prescott Sheldon 1917

[Desertrose]

13. Thank you. I couldn't agree more about this banking thing

They "keep" our money for us....charge us fees, pay us shit for interest and act like they are doing us a favor when they loan us money while they are making money hand over fist??? Not to mention credit cards and their outrageous interest... :grr:

The thing is, our banking wasn't supposed to be PRIVATE. Constitutionally, Congress is supposed to coin and dispense currency. This got distorted when the Fed was set up and that was the real beginning of the end of our "democratic experiment".

SO TRUE!!!!

Also true about the whole S&B and elite thing. Most average Americans don't have the slightest clue.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

75. Maybe I have a bad list?.. no Forbes...

http://www.mabus.biz/cults/skullandbones.txt

[FreedomAngel82]

84. He is listed

Kerry John Forbes 1966

There's also a Heinz listed.

[theboss]

108. Most of the Forbes went to Princeton, I think

Forbes College was Malcolm's gift to the college though it is technically named after Steve.

[Carolab]

118. You can see Malcolm Forbes arriving at Bohemian Grove

in a photo on Alex Jones' site, from the Bohemian Grove's own book sent to Jones.

[blm]

78. You have no explanation for why Kerry's side of the family had very little

money by the turn of the 20th century.

Could it be because they were NOT so willing to cheat and steal from others?

Or that latter generations turned to SERVICE?

NOTHING in Kerry's record or that of his parents' shows any sign of privilege. He went to Yale because a childless aunt who HAD money paid for tuition while he worked through college for his living expenses. Alot like many middle-class or upper middle-class kids. He also joined the military when S&Bers could easily get out. Kerry EARNED every position he gained through his ACHIEVEMENTS. Bush was given everything and more through his connections. He earned NOTHING on his own.

Kerry also fought AGAINST every DC powerstructure that existed when he investigated and exposed IranContra, BCCI, and the illegal wars in Central America. The thugs involved were part of the most powerful alliance in the world. The wealthiest financiers who have been profitting from war and terrorism for decades.

You must not recall how viciously Kerry was attacked then or that his sanity was questioned as a crackpot conspiracy theorist. Or maybe you're just young and unaware of what was happening in the 80s and early 90s. Yet you say you have studied all about S&B, so why would Kerry be so relentless in his LONELY pusuit to expose the REAL financial powers behind most of the world's turmoil? And why didn't more Democrats line up behind him or even help?

Anyone who suspects Kerry of ANY alliance with Bush needs to sit down and read a few books about IranContra and BCCI, and ask themselves if THEY could have endured what Kerry endured to expose corruption in our government and in the most powerful banking networks of that time. Amazing that someone so connected to these secret banking cabals would work FIVE years to expose their dirtiest crimes and links to the most powerful institutions in the world.

[Carolab]

126. Oh, really? READ ABOUT THE FORBES FAMILY HERE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_family

But I like John's dad Richard Kerry (Kohn):

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/02/opinion/main603542.shtml

[blm]

133. His MOTHER'S family did NOT have the great wealth of the other Forbes. You

claim because she's a Forbes that makes her superwealthy, when the truth is she was NOT.

Not all family members are equal, and I'm sure the same true is ALL families. I'm sure you know it, too, but it wouldn't help your point that Kerry and Bush are somehow aligned.

You also don't explain WHY Kerry would spend years opening up and exposing the crimes of the wealthy, international financiers and their banks to scrutiny. Especially since that cabal was financing global terrorism and manufacturing unrest around the world for their own profit gains.

Gee....now WHY would Kerry do that, and even do so without the support of other lawmakers?

[Carolab]

140. I'm not talking about her wealth. I'm talking about the family history.

For Pete's sake, they were involved in trading with RUSSELL, who STARTED Skull and Bones.

[blm]

142. But his mother DID NOT. You say NOTHING about the side of the family that

did NOT involve themselves with international banking or profit from it. You group Kerry and Bush together as if there was no distinction because it serves YOUR preferred storyline while it ignores the TRUTH about who Kerry is and what he did to UNCOVER the corruption within these international banking institutions who are part and parcel of the whole war for profit operation.

The ONE guy who took on this issue and exposed it, and YOU do your best to tear him down every chance you get. That makes me think that you are not serious about exposing the war profiteers themselves as an issue, but, only trying to hurt Kerry using the tactic of association, no matter that the actual record ahows his involvement is the exact opposite as one who worked to shut them down and expose their method of operation.

[Carolab]

146. True.

I'm just saying the Forbes family was involved. That's all.

If Kerry is going to try to bring down Bushco, I give him major props. I know about what he did with BCCI, etc.

[alittlelark]

8. Skull and Bones doesn't take in Grad students.

Funny how she ALWAYS seems to resurface in a nefarious way..... really, it is 'funny' and interesting.

[saltpoint]

9. To be quite direct, I don't give a good goddam about Skull & Bones.

Long past that period in their histories, George W. Bush has emerged as a sniveling halfwit with no sense of public service and someone who behaves like an arrogant yahoo to our allies. A dolt.

Kerry has evolved into a man with high critical thinking skills and a very advanced sense of public service, to add to his voluntary military service and his considerable respect for other countries and cultures.

[alittlelark]

12. Skull and Bones has produced MUCH better than the idiot in the WH

I would lay odds that most members are ashamed of him.... unless it truly is a nefarious group bent on world domination.... in which case they are orgasmicly proud.

[saltpoint]

14. Dubya must have been a true anomaly at Yale.

In that he was admitted to and somehow graduate from such a fine school, all the while laboring under the disability of having no mind.

[EFerrari]

48. Ouch.

LOL! That hurt.

:rofl:

[saltpoint]

68. sfexpat! There you are again on a Sunday night.

I really enjoy running into you on DU.

I hope things are smooth your way.

Happy late springtime.

[EFerrari]

69. Back atcha. It was so nice and windy here

today, that they shut down the highway by the ocean. The wind didn't care.

[saltpoint]

70. "The wind didn't care."

That's a sentence that a poet wrote.

Say hi to that city & ocean for me.

[saltpoint]

67. Hey Old Crusoe -- make 'graduate' "graduated" -- ok?

Ok.

____________
'tried this on 'edit' but time had expired.

[pinniped]

71. LOL!...anomaly, a more suitable word will never be found.

.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. It's all about profit

If you haven't visit http://www.informationclearinghouse.info and watch these two docs: "The War Party" (it helps you get to know the neocons a little bit) and "The Carlyle Group." The second film shows how this group makes profit from war. You know they are proud. They're getting rich while the poor and middle class are getting poorer and they're setting up to install pipe lines.

[Henny Penny]

73. Perhaps we should be concerned about secret societies if

they, or similar connections, have enabled "a sniveling halfwit" to become leader of the free world.

I think secret societies are a load of nonsense, except from the point of view of giving people an unfair advantage through their connections. We rightly abhor nepotism and should abhor membership of these societies as well.

[saltpoint]

116. I hear you on that, Henny Penny, but in a constitutional republic

it would be illegal to limit individuals' or groups' rights to gather. I can't favor confronting Skull & Bones unless I also favor anti-choice protestors harrassing women at birth control centers.

Psychotherapists suggest that secrecy is a condition of identity. I'm not prepared to breach that line, whether among individuals or groups, just because I may oppose their agenda.

I don't believe Skull & Bones is the step where blame should be laid in the case of Bush or anyone else.

Instead, I blame money and lots of it, connections (mostly of the wrong kind) and manipulation of others in a larger push to divide segments of the population against each other. Nixon was not a member of Skulls & Bones and look at the breach of justice committed under his presidency.

[Erika]

10. I don't see any Dean or Edwards out there

Nor Clinton, Gore, Lieberman, Sharpton, Braun, Kucinich, etc.

Bush is out there six times? You think this is giving us a clue to who is the world corporatist king?

[lenidog]

16. The name Cheney shows up ten times from 1833 to 1985

Makes you wonder if they are related to Dick Cheney

[FreedomAngel82]

18. Probably are

I think they probably are. Has anybody looked to see if Dick himself is a member? I think he's probably connected to the group somehow with all his oil and Halliburton. Why else did Cheney get the VP when he has a gay daughter and running with a "conservative" canidate?

[lenidog]

23. Dick actually isn't but I think at last count 10 members of the

Bush Administration are. Dick got to Yale for three semesters and had to drop out because of bad grades. He ended up getting his BA at the University of Wyoming

[FreedomAngel82]

33. Ah

I knew he went to Yale and dropped out but I didn't know it was for bad grades. Heh heh. He wasn't very smart then eh? Do you know who those ten members are?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

76. 9 on this list...

Cheney Clifford Dudley 1898
Cheney Frank Dexter 1900
Cheney Howell 1892
Cheney Philip 1901
Cheney Ronald Lawton 1958
Cheney Russell 1904
Cheney Thomas Langdon 1901
Cheney Ward 1896
Cheney, Jr. Knight Dexter 1892


http://www.mabus.biz/cults/skullandbones.txt

[JerseygirlCT]

79. There are Connecticut Cheneys

who are related, so it's possible.

[FreedomAngel82]

17. Clinton has been out there

I saw the photo myself in Jones' documentary. Same with Ted Kennedy and Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon. If you play your cards right with that group big things can happen for you I suspect. I think that's why they "destroyed" Kerry in this last election. Bush was doing too much for them and Kerry wasn't their person. He talked about independent energy quite a bit and the enviornment and the people involved in this group are all about oil and profitting off of war.

[Carolab]

19. True, BUT, Edwards was a guest at Bilderberg last year.

Very suspicious.

Also, Carter was pictured at the Bohemian Grove.

[FreedomAngel82]

20. Really? Carter?

Surprise. I didn't know that about Edwards. Do you have the photo or did you see it in a doc? I saw some video that I found at http://www.mininova.org and it was called "Final Warning: History of the New World Order" by some guy who ran a program called "The Prophercy Club." I think it was mostly a "anti-democratic" film because he didn't mention any of the Bush family or Cheney or nothing with PNAC. He claimed that when Carter was running for president nobody in the party wanted him to be the nominee cause they didn't know anything about him etc. and then out of nowhere he was the nominee. Does anybody know about that? I've never heard.

[Carolab]

24. The photo is on www.infowars.com (Alex Jones) website.

Lots of photos of interest there.

He sneaked in to the Bohemian Grove a few years back and got hidden video. The other photos he has are apparently from some sort of a "yearbook" that they print.

[FreedomAngel82]

26. I have the video he shot

and am watching it now. I'll check out the photos.

[Carolab]

35. Here's the link.

http://www.infowars.com/exclusive_new_bg.htm

[FreedomAngel82]

39. Thanks

Ah. The guy I thought was Ted Kennedy is really Jon Stockdale. Has any Kennedy ever been out there? (I hope not) I'm really surprised at Carter. There's a Kevin Starr listed. Could he be related to Ken Starr from the whole Clinton ordeal?

[FreedomAngel82]

34. Where's the photo on the site?

I don't see it. I'm in the section with the exclusive Grove photo's. :shrug:

[Carolab]

62. Carter's photo

[Erika]

27. Carter was never accepted by the globalists

They fought him at every turn. Carter was just a good old Southern boy who believed in Americans and the Bible.

[FreedomAngel82]

30. So why would he be reported to be out there?

I don't think Carter was ever accepted by them either (neither was Clinton) so why would he be reported to be out there? And Clinton too? I have heard that the president's are required to go out there though. I think it was from Jones' film. I'm really not sure what to think about it yet (I haven't been very interested in this in the past cause I thought it was silly).

[Carolab]

32. Bilderberg 2005--Edwards there in 2004; NOT there THIS year.

"The absence of former Sen. John Edwards (N.C.), John Kerry’s presidential running mate in 2004, indi-cates the Sun has set on his political career. Last year was Edwards’s first appearance and, like most of the “fringe” invitees, he has been cast aside like an old shoe."


http://www.bilderberg.org/2005.htm#AFP

[FreedomAngel82]

38. Interesting information

Mark Warner was there so he's probably going to run for the presidential nomination according to this. Apparently from this article they didn't like Edwards. Also this article shows others there at this meeting warned not to go to Iran. So I wonder what would happen if Bush and his people tried it. Would they be "put out" so to speak? I wonder why they're happy about Blair being gone? I think the reason why Sharon was at Bush's place in Texas not long ago was for plan's with Iran. On Yahoo they had a story telling how it's suspected they have weapons and all that crap. This also is making some sense for the neocons pro-Israel stance: <This year, Bilderberg ordered Israel to keep its prom-ise to withdraw from some settlements in the West Bank and Gaza. Also, they noted that Palestinians must be grateful for the portion of their territory they get back and not insist on pre-1967 borders. Israel seized these lands in a surprise attack in 1967.>

This also mentions how Bilderberg owns a lot of the US Media. Is there anyway to find out what companies? (My guess is he has a hold on Murdoch and Fox) They also mentioned Social Security. This is why Bush is really pushing for the "private" accounts. :mad: Something I'm wondering. Is there any way to find out if Frist or McCain have been to these meetings? I don't think McCain is their type though personally. Could Edwards being there be why Kerry choose him as his running mate? I remember reading how Kerry wasn't very fond of Edwards, for whatever reason, and he wanted someone else as his running mate but other people pressured him into having Edwards as his mate. Officials working with Kerry said that Edwards would be a good running mate because he attracts voters with his personality and all that. I think if Warner is seen still at these meetings and we don't get rid of these machines and Bush isn't impeached and Kerry/Edwards aren't placed in then he could possibly be our nominee in 2008.

[Carolab]

43. Good points, all.

I see a lot of impetus behind Warner, too.

Who we "get to vote for" isn't our choice at all. Pretty clear by now, to me.

I am not sure about McCain. I think he's pretty much on the outs, though, as the new "moderate Republican leader".

I think Edwards was invited BECAUSE he was Kerry's running mate pick. Shortly after he was at Bilderberg, it was announced, and everyone said "ah ha!"

So you are right about Warner, IMHO.

[FreedomAngel82]

53. Ah

So that's a good point about Edwards and these meetings. I have also heard Phil Bredesen of Tennessee's (my gov) name being thrown around. Have you seen him at any of these meetings? Back in January I read an article from a Jacksonville, Flordia paper about him and he had a really high raiting then (70%) and his name was being thrown around some but someone who works for him was interviewed and he said Bredesen wasn't interested. Earlier this past week I was listening to Jones' radio show and someone called in and asked about how they can get involved politically and he said just to jump in anywhere locally that you're intersted in. Locally is where everything matters. Whether it's some type of city council board or something small like that. Also that link you gave me showed how Reagan gave Nixon an easy challenge and that's how Reagan was able to become president after Nixon and he was only one term. I bet someone connected to this group killed both John and Robert Kennedy. I also am reading in that link that William Casey of the CIA is one of the more privilaged campers there. According to Jones: The most elite club, according to press reports is Mandalay, with Henry Kissinger and Paul Volcker, former Federal Reserve Chairman and other New World Order bosses. The Hillbilly Camp is the camp that the Bushes are members of, along with many other notables in American industry, banking, media and government. Donald Rumsfeld is also the same camp as the Bush family. Also Dick Cheney is listed as well who have attended. So is James Baker. I didn't see in that link anything mentioning John Kerry though. :shrug: Wouldn't they have mentioned him or is this an old account?

[FreedomAngel82]

11. I'm not sure about it myself

I'm actually watching the Alex Jones documentary "Secrets of the Boehmian Grove." I do think there's something to it (it's a big club for rich people) but I don't know enough of Kerry's involvement. In Jones film he shows pictures from the event and Clinton is there. He has visited frequently but he isn't a member. Maybe that's why he hangs out with the Bush's and seems to like them or something. I think it's all men who are members. The film of Jones also shows Ted Kennedy there so I don't know what goes on. I think because of the mystery that's why people are so fatuated with it. :shrug: But you are right that the Bush's are more then likely more involved then Kerry. After all Prescott, George HW Bush and George W Bush were all (or still are) members. I also wanted to add I think with this whole ordeal you go up there and meet and they do whatever it is they do and then you can have each other to call upon and connections and cash. Like with Bush. You need someone to rig votes for you? Call them up and they'll do it for you. You have to pay them back though with something.

[WildEyedLiberal]

15. SKULL N BONEZ!!!!

Dark Majik!!! Dungeons and Dragons!!! Wizards and Swords!!!

Yes, it's ALL TRUE. Kerry is a 45th level Lawful Evil Necromancer, casting his Black Majik on all those fool enough to oppose his insidious agenda. His Dark Tower, a fortress of Evil, is home to all manner of demons summoned from the bowels of the Underworld, and in his darkest laboratory is a blood-stained altar where he performs live sacrifices of the pure of heart, twisting and corrupting their purity until they become darkened wraiths, enslaved in his castle FOREVER.

ALL HAIL ARCHMAGE KERRY, LORD OF THE CULT OF SKULL AND BONES!!




(Do I really need to add this :sarcasm: )

[Erika]

21. And Bush had his name out there 6 times

and we know he's much friendlier to world corporatists than working U.S. citizens, don't we?

[FreedomAngel82]

25. Most definietly

Do you know of the last time he was out there? Was he out there any when he was on "vacation" that big part of his first term?

[Carolab]

31. You mean the Grove? Or Bilderberg?

He for sure was at Bilderberg, as it was timed concurrently with a visit to the Pope.

As for the Grove, the members go there every year, in July.

[FreedomAngel82]

40. Grove

Is Bilderberg the place where Bush had the whole "assisination" scare?

[Carolab]

51. Bilderberg was in Germany when Bush was visiting last month.

Latvia, etc.

So Bush was there.

As for the Grove, they meet there in July.

[WildEyedLiberal]

28. Bush is scum.

I fail to see how because they happened to be in the same Treehouse Club at Yale, it has any relevance to Kerry. Is everyone in DKE also evil like Bush?

[FreedomAngel82]

29. No

No. They aren't. Kerry has proven to be a great and empathetic person. You can usually see through when someone is being fake about it. I don't see it with Kerry. I am an empath (someone who can feel feelings from other people) and whenever I see Kerry whether through the tv or a photo I always feel this really great positive feeling. I do trust him more than I ever would Bush. I also have been following Kerry since last November and so far he hasn't disappointed me. He voted against Rice and the bankruptcy bill and various other things. I do wish he fought harder on the election ordeal but I do know that without the proof you can't go to a court room and be expected to be taken seriously. I do think S&B is real and my opinion is it's an elite group where you can get together with people and they do whatever it is they do and if they need any favors from people they have connections all over the country and have to pay them back. Of course for all I know I could be wrong about everything. :shrug: But Kerry has proven himself to be a great politician and so has Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter. Only they know why they are at this place.

[WildEyedLiberal]

37. I also get great vibes from Kerry

He's just a really genuine man. I think for some people S&B is the ultimate insider's ticket; for others, it doesn't mean a whole lot. Kerry is one of the latter. Plus, I just like making fun of the whole D&D angle of it, because some people act like he's practically a cult priest. :P

[Frederik]

44. High Priest of the Silver Star John Alzathoth Kerry

John Kerry plotting nefarious plot

I've actually seen a picture of John Kerry from the early 80s with Anton LaVey, leader of the Church of Satan... Connect the dots ;-)

[WildEyedLiberal]

46. IT'S A CULT, I tell you!

Awesome caption btw.

[fujiyama]

54. He's conspiring!

Conspiring I tell you!

Kerry is Eeeeeviiil!

:P

[Carolab]

36. Wow, hierarchypedia.com has a fantastic entry about the Grove

http://www.hierarchypedia.com/wiki/index.php/Bohemian_Grove

[FreedomAngel82]

41. Thanks

I'm always interested in learning about this stuff. I always say "better safe then sorry." Question: what if someone goes to the meetings and all that but doesn't participate in anything else? Are they just shunned upon and all that? :shrug:

[Frederik]

50. They don't look so scary, do they?

But then again, there's the giant owl and the mock human sacrifices later in the evening... Totally weird stuff, and it's been going on for a hundred and thirty years.

[FreedomAngel82]

58. Not from the photo

But I do get very high weird (which isn't good) vibes from it. Makes me very uncomfortable (I'm a pretty high sensitive person).

[theearthisround]

65. Check out this Video: Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove... for Free!!!

Check out this video: Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove
http://www.archive.org/details/DSIBG

Some of the folks there don't seem to understand what theyre taking part in. I believe theyre only told what they need to know to do their job. I'de imagine if I was working for these thugs I would not want to know the full implications of what I was taking part of...:evilfrown: I would probably hide from myself and just drown my guilt in booze and drugs... :cry:

[FreedomAngel82]

45. Very interesting time line

I didn't know Larry King (is it the talk show host?) was involved. When reading or watching anything about this I always get these weird vibes. This is interesting: < San Francisco media reports on the Grove: "From what we've heard, the Republican hierarchy--especially those close to former Gov. Pete Wilson--would favor Schwarzenegger. At least that's the word that came out of the Bohemian Grove this past weekend, where a number of state and national GOPers, including presidential adviser Karl Rove, happened to have gathered at a club getaway."> And it explains how a rightwing neocon Nazi like him got elected in California which has always been democratic. It also mentions Dick Cheney was there in 1991 and spoke at the event. This is why George Bush choose Dick Cheney as his VP instead of Chuck Hagel who was once considered to be the pick since he was a long-time friend of the Bush family. I always thought it was strange how Bush would choose Cheney as his VP running on a "Christian family values" republican ticket and Cheney has a gay daughter. I know I could give a damn and probably some moderates could give a damn but what about the fundie base? It also mentions Tom Warner, the president of CNN, has been at the Grove. This also tells Walter Cronkite has also been at events and even voices for the infamous owl. It says they have a lot of journalists as members and you have to wait ten to fifteen years. I wonder if Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh are members or just everybody on fox. It says in 1945 at the Muir Woods, named after John Muir (a conservatist), that Franklin D. Roosevelt met with delegets from all over the world to draft and sign the Charter of the United Nations. He died shortly before the conference and they have a statue of him there in his honour. It says that Schwazengeer has been a guest in 2003 and he's positioning himself to be the nominee in 2008 but they have to change the laws of the land. I don't know if they'd be willing to risk that though. :\ Carter has his ties to this from his navy days. In 1984, Alan Greenspan was appointed Chairman of the Federal Reserve, immediately after his first visit to the Bohemian Grove. All this stuff is really weird and mind bogling. I get very weird and creepy vibes with all this stuff (like how I do with Crop Circles).

[theearthisround]

49. Skull and Bones is Christian Conservative... Nothing to see here folks...

America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones
by Antony C. Sutton

Book Description
For 170 years they have met in secret. From out of their initiates come presidents, senators, judges, cabinet secretaries, and plenty of spooks. They are the titans of finance and industry and have now installed a third member as United States President George W. Bush. This intriguing behind-the-scenes look documents Yale's secretive society, the Order of the Skull and Bones, and its prominent members, numbering among them Tafts, Rockefellers, Pillsburys, and Bushes. Far from being a campus fraternity, the society is more concerned with the success of its members in the post-collegiate world. Included are a verified membership list, rare reprints of original Order materials revealing the interlocking power centers dominated by Bonesmen, and a peek inside the Tomb, their 140-year-old private clubhouse.

GET THE BOOK FOR FREE HERE:
http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/Americas%20Secret%20Establishment%20An%20Introduction%20to%20Skull%20and%20Bones%20-%20By%20Antony%20Sutton.pdf



First result from a simple google search... "Skull and Bones"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=skull+and+bones&btnG=Google+Search

www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtml

Robbins says the cast of the initiation ritual is right out of Harry Potter meets Dracula: “There is a devil, a Don Quixote and a Pope who has one foot sheathed in a white monogrammed slipper resting on a stone skull. The initiates are led into the room one at a time. And once an initiate is inside, the Bonesmen shriek at him. Finally, the Bonesman is shoved to his knees in front of Don Quixote as the shrieking crowd falls silent. And Don Quixote lifts his sword and taps the Bonesman on his left shoulder and says, ‘By order of our order, I dub thee knight of Euloga.’"

As Jesus would have!!!

[Frederik]

61. A couple of documentaries

Scroll down to the bottom, and you will find a couple of short documentaries on Skull & Bones. One of them has video footage from a ceremony, it's pretty sick stuff, simulated human sacrifice and so on.

Edited to add the link: http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_elitesecretsocieties.htm

[Carolab]

119. According to Paul Bonacci (from the Franklin Cover-Up) it's real

he said (under oath) that he was forced to have sex with a young boy at the Grove and that boy was actually sacrified there.

[LightningFlash]

52. I'm not so sure anymore.....

I hope Kerry has left this corruption behind.....I hope he honestly wants to stop them and end extremist policies, because if he doesn't, then Dean better take the reins and run like hell before anymore corrupt democrats or republicans are born instead.

[FreedomAngel82]

59. I'm really confused with Kerry myself

I like him and admire him and want to hope he's not involved with them. On the site mentioned earlier dealing with a timeline and all that they list people who are there and Kerry's name isn't mentioned. I don't know how old that is though or if when they made that page they didn't know about Kerry and he wasn't really of any importance at the time like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld for example.

[LightningFlash]

60. But he knows so much.....He's in the relations committee

That Council on relations committee has so many secrets....I want to believe he hasn't joined them, but I keep getting this twisting sense that he was paid off. If only he would come out from behind the curtain with whatever he's got....I think he knows by now the election was stolen, and Iraq was based on lies that at this point the country deserves no more pain.

[FreedomAngel82]

63. Right

I think it was weird how he concieded so fast. On the one hand I'm sure he knows it was stolen but he couldn't prove it. What's he going to say? My secret cult group stole it from me? Heh heh. How nuts would that sound? Plus, he's a prosecutor and he knew he couldn't go in court without any proof and there was no proof at the time. I wonder why he's talking about the DSM now though. :shrug: It'll be intersting to see what happens later this afternoon. He will be up against a lot of powerful people if he does go up against them. The republicans are in control and the real person running the show will just have to go to Karl Rove and do his attack machine out on the republicans who would side with Kerry without influence.

[LightningFlash]

66. Yeah....

Kerry is the strongest one and that's why I fear if he is under influence of them. Kerry should hammer them to death, bring Voinovich on his side, and press for a full frontal investigation.

That's what I'm praying anyway.......This has been nothing but bad news since the minutes first came out.

And they will try to ram Bolton through.....Plus there is now alot more proof of the stolen election with the machines being audited, and Thomas Noe and his corrupt friends being held in court. If they could just nail Rove for knowing about everything, that would be enough to prosecute.

Oh what a sight that would be! Right in the middle of DSM, the whole congress gets hit with two counter-attacks. Stolen elections and stolen wars.....Now that's what I really would pay to hear.

[pinniped]

72. Just wait until the logging people come for their redwoods.

Where will they play at?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

77. Trust your gut about Skull and Bones. n/t

[emcguffie]

82. Well, here goes -- I live in a tinfoil hat these days.

I'm just goin to suggest that, when you have the time, you go to
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles2005/rabbit.shtml, scroll down and watch the two-part interview with Kay Griggs, the second wife of a -- I can't remember, I think a Colonel in the Marine Corps.

She found his diary, and she's talking about it. The forced homosexual orgies at the higher levels that guarantee a rapid rise to the top. Then they have that to blackmail you with.

Her husband was in Cap and Gown at Princeton. Same thing, starts there. She insists it is pervasive.

I watched this last night, and I am completely blown away. Please, please watch it.

[FreedomAngel82]

85. Yes about Griggs

Her husband was a high profiled Colonel. I haven't seen all of the video (the shorter version) but it's very interesting. I'm still wondering personally where the hell Jeff Gannon came from. I have read at Bohemian Grove they go around town and get prostitutes for whatever it is they do. I think Gannon probably came from McClellan since it was rumored when he was in Texas he was seen at gay bars and Gannon lived in Texas for a while.

[emcguffie]

87. watch the rest of it.

If what she says is true, then the "Illuminati" are real....

I'm afraid, very afraid.

[DrDebug]

88. They are very real

And they have had enormous power for centuries. That's why the Pope tried to get rid off them. There was the Anti-Masonic Party formed in 1828 because a lot of people already thought that they had too much power and did too many weird things.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h271.html

The KKK is a masonic organisation as well. At least in the beginning of their existence. That group was founded from the Illuminati as well.

[emcguffie]

91. Well, I'm scared sh*tless.

They're about to finalize their dreams! Thanks to one shrub.

[DrDebug]

93. Nay, they won't. Have some faith

Even Hitler failed in the end and he made it much worse. Still we need to stop this secret club shit, because if it is secret then it's not accountable. Let's revive the Anti-Masonic Party!

[FreedomAngel82]

121. I think so too

If Hitler failed then Bush certainly will. It seems sometimes, like now, that Bush is unstoppable but something will happen. I think if things get too out of control then "management" will have to take them out someway. I was watching a film on the Bilderberg group and when Nixon was president and everything with him and Watergate was going on they wanted to get rid of him but didn't want to through assisination so they put pressure on him to resign so they don't have to go through another killing of a president. Thank God for the minutes report so we can try to stop this.

[FreedomAngel82]

120. That's on my to do list

I've been working on downloading the whole eight hours for a while now. It's getting there.

[Carolab]

127. I think it was more likely from the DC scene.

Gannon came from the PA/DE area--and Rove was reported seen in some gay club there from time to time.

[theboss]

90. Cap and Gown? You have got to be kidding me?

As a Princetonian, I have to address this. Cap is a selective eating club. You get into it by being on the swim team or lacrosse team.

I was in a non-selective eating club; the computer puts you there.

[emcguffie]

92. Watch this video. Then address it.

There are two parts, it's an interview with -- a wife of a Marine colonel, I think her name is Riggs.

Take a look at it, when you have a chunk of time.


http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles2005/rabbit.shtml

[theboss]

96. I can't watch it now.....

But on the eating club pecking order, it might be number 3 if Tiger Inn is having a bad day...and it's most famous alum is Brooke Shields.

If the club in question was Ivy or even Cottage, you might have something. Ivy is for rich kids from the northeast and Cottage is for rich kids from the South.

But Cap is sort of a joke these days. If you are six-foot-two, muscular, and wear a varsity pull-over, you are in Cap.

[emcguffie]

102. sounds about right.

Hunkey guys to have sex with.

But this was going back a ways. She said they groomed young men for this stuff. And that Cap and Gown was a source for intelligence officers.

So, get those intelligence officers all under your thumb...

[theboss]

107. Actually, I have heard that about the 50s and 60s....

But I don't think that was because Cap was an insidious institution. I think it's because that's where those types of students chose to congregate. I know that Cap used to be big with ROTC but ROTC is practically dead in the Ivies now.

Princeton is strange when compared to Harvard and Yale in that we don't produce a lot of Senators and Presidents but we produce a ton Secretaries of State, ambassadors, spies, and such. If George H.W. Bush is a good representation of the classic Yale man and John F. Kennedy is the Harvard man....James Baker, George Schultz, and Donald Rumsfeld are the classic Princeton men. We don't produce the "man" so much as the "man behind the man." And spies are a good part of that.

But again, I think it's more a product of the school then of any sinister plot. For some reason, the oligarchs like sending their sons to Yale. So, Yale has Skull and Bones, which is basically "The Sons of the Oligarhcy" fraternity. Career government men and New York Bankers send their sons to Princeton. So we end up with a lot of career government men and "chief financial officers." Harvard gets a little of everything. And drunken black sheep middle children of the rich and powerful go to Dartmouth.

But I don't see what's sinister about rich young American aristocrats like George W. Bush and John F. Kerry ending up in the same organization as young men.

[Carolab]

128. Skull and Bones has an extreme focus on sex.

And death.

[theboss]

131. So do the Cure

Maybe Robert Smith is the Illuminati.

[emcguffie]

137. Have you viewed that video yet?

Tell me what you think after you see that.

[theboss]

89. Only Undergrads can be members

Hillary was a law student at Yale. I think Yale was all-male during her undergrad years.

[LittleClarkie]

94. Also, don't you have to get an invitation?

Seemed to me that you did.

[theboss]

97. My understanding of the societies is this:

A member has to select you. Then that member and another one come and "tap" you. Once you are tapped, you have to attend some sort of party where you meet everyone. Then they vote on you. Then you are initiated.

I might have the blackballing and tapping out of order.

Clubs are Princeton are different. They are more like frats. You choose the one you want to join. Then, you "bicker," which is a week-long process that varies from club-to-club. At Ivy, it involves a lot of bullshitting. At TI, involves a lot of vomiting. At Cap....it might involve a tug-o-war. Then the club votes and I think three blackballs keep you out.

I'm not sure how the Finals Clubs at Harvard work.

[FreedomAngel82]

123. That's basically what I've read/heard as well

It might seem corney but in the early 2000's there was a film out called "The Skulls." It was about secret societies and I now highly believe it was based on "Skull & Bones." It stars Joshua Jackson most known from "Dawson's Creek". In this film Jackson's character is chosen to be apart of the group. He's on some rowing team and is very good at it and he has brought attention to higher members. He ends up joining and he changes a lot with his two closests friends. One friend is a reporter for the school paper and he sneaks in and starts really snooping around.
The story is really good and you should totally check it out. I'm not going to give away the rest of course.

[theboss]

98. My understanding of the societies is this:

A member has to select you. Then that member and another one come and "tap" you. Once you are tapped, you have to attend some sort of party where you meet everyone. Then they vote on you. Then you are initiated.

I might have the blackballing and tapping out of order.

Clubs are Princeton are different. They are more like frats. You choose the one you want to join. Then, you "bicker," which is a week-long process that varies from club-to-club. At Ivy, it involves a lot of bullshitting. At TI, involves a lot of vomiting. At Cap....it might involve a tug-o-war. Then the club votes and I think three blackballs keep you out.

I'm not sure how the Finals Clubs at Harvard work.

[LittleClarkie]

99. Someone once described it as a bunch of kids

playing fort. Not all that damn serious really. I suppose some classes might have been different than others and may be giving the org as a whole a bad name, but I have trouble taking most of this stuff seriously. It always seems like such flights of fancy to me.

[theboss]

100. I was in the Ivy League and I don't get the paranoia

Skull 'n Bones to me is a little weirder than the rest of the organizations, but it's older and these types of things start to get more eccentric with age. I mean, the Triangle Club at Princeton is really bizarre at this point and it's just a musical comedy club.

Anything involving rich, Ivy League kids is bound to look a little siniser because the people involved are going to hold positions of power simply by being rich, Ivy League kids. I mean, Nixon knew that much.

If Skull and Bones never existed, the Bushes were still going to be a powerful New England with connections all over the world. Anyplace that money and power intersect is going to be a little frightening. Hell, Joe Kennedy was a bootlegger who turned his family into an elite society simply through money and connections.

Like I said, at Princeton, Ivy Club is probably the closest thing we have to Skull and Bones (the idea that Cap and Gown is powerful is rather laughable). And I spent many a night drinking in their tap room, listening to "Come on Eileen."

[FreedomAngel82]

124. Oh there is

a lot of weird shit with S&B. I'm a pretty empathetic person and I get VERY weird and high vibes of this stuff. I can't read or look at anything very long with S&B. :\ That's what is worrysome.

[theboss]

129. So...you use the Force?

That's hardly a strong piece of evidence against Skull and Bones.

[FreedomAngel82]

122. And S&B

is all male anyways. I doubt they'd let a woman join.

[theboss]

138. They may be co-ed now

I don't know a lot about them, but I think they let in women in the 90s.

[LittleClarkie]

95. Not joined, invited

The thing is, I haven't seen much of any S & B resources that didn't scream "Art Bell" to me. You have to have quite the imagination. I've not seen a ton of facts, just alot of speculation. People like to talk about such things, but I don't put much stock in it.

Plus it seems that many who subscribe to some sort of Kerry/Bush conspiracy never took much of a look at our candidate. I see more evidence that Bush pisses him off all to hell than evidence that they're in on something.

Plus, if they were going to go by some kind of S & B pecking order, shouldn't the one who was a Senior when Bush was a freshman have gotten to be president then?

S & B = B & S

[theboss]

101. I think "The Machine" at Alabama is scarier

Skull and Bones just seems like a really rich, really exclusive frat to me.

[FreedomAngel82]

125. The Machine??

I've never heard of this.

[theboss]

130. It's an organization within the fraternities

It's used to choose the school government and pick the Homecoming Queen and few other things. It sounds pedestrian but it excludes black students and I believe that until the early 90s every governor in Alabama since Reconstruction with the exception of George Wallace was a product of the "Machine."

There was a controversy a few years ago where the black frats managed to elect a black homecoming queen which was one of the first major challenges to the Machine.

I haven't read about it in a while, but there was a huge Rolling Stone article on it a few years ago. It's interesting.

What's most interesting is like most things in the South, there is not a lot of effort to hide it.

[democracyindanger]

106. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb

Did nobody learn anything from that seventhson jackass? Crimony.

[OKNancy]

111. Obviously not

:crazy:

[theboss]

110. One question about Skull and Bones.....

Why are there never any paranoid fantasies about secret institutions at Princeton and Harvard? Harvards been around over 300 years; Princeton for over 250. Harvard is arguably more powerful than Yale and Princeton is arguably richer than Yale. Both produce as many of the "elite." And the same families send their kids to the three schools.

Why do the Yalies get all the fun? Is it because New Haven is so scary?

[LittleClarkie]

112. Maybe because Skull and Bones is so much cooler sounding

Are the societies at those other colleges secret as well?

Also, there is the current "Bush" factor related to Yale.

[theboss]

113. The Finals Clubs and some of the eating clubs can be secretive

None of them have the cool "tomb" thing going for them.

But you would think that some spooking legend would creep up about Harvard. I think it's because Yale is so scary-looking. It's in a burned out ghetto. The school looks haunted. It's always raining.

You see a picture of Harvard and Princeton and you imagine Tad and Muffy going out for a canoe ride with a uekelele. At Yale, you think Tad is going to sacrfice Muffy to some pagan god.

[LittleClarkie]

114. LOL!

Your last line cracked me up no end.

[theboss]

132. Ever been to Yale?

It's terrifying. I wouldn't drop my eighteen year child off in New Haven if the school was free. Since most Yalies visited Harvard and Princeton at some point, I really don't understand how they get any applicants at all. I can go to the suburban country club....the beautiful urban campus in America in one of the country's coolest neighborhoods....or the school bordered by crack houses.... How do you make that decision?

[bunny planet]

134. I think its simple really. K. joined in college and then went to Vietnam.

Vietnam changed his whole perspective on the world, Skull and Bones had no meaning for him after that. When you have to kill or be killed, and watch you buddies and civilians die in combat it kind of changes you for life, just my guess. I think it's ridiculous to look at the man's record over decades and assume he still has some loyalty to S and B. Your experiences in life, out in the world, and not in the insulated microcosm of an elite university, are the ones that shape you most. I suspect Kerry regrets ever having been involved in S and B, especially considering how often it is brought up by his detractors as some way of explaining his actions.

[dzika]

145. From CNN 6/7

(notice the crawl line)

[extropianDreams]

147. I TOTALLY AGREE!!

wish I knew how to cross-post 'cause I just commented on this on another thread.

I think Kerry was a complete ringer. I mean, c'mon, he sounded like some elitist Roman orator. even Gore can speak much more passionately about the truth than Kerry. I haven't seen Kerry speak at any MoveOn gatherings, have u? it's like he was part of the plan to fix the election again. it's fairly well known due to scientific exit poll analysis that even the 2004 election was manipulated but due to the bungling of Kerry/Edwards (interesting how they look like a May/December gay couple) people accepted the results. of course, Kerry was jonzin' to concede immediately. I think the fact that he was a bonesman and a 35 year status quo career politician made him a perfect choice as the de facto loser.