Which would you rather happen if you resisted arrest?

[Floogeldy]

What would be your preference?

[UdoKier]

1. Why would I resist arrest?

What's the point?

[Floogeldy]

5. I have no idea!

I'm just saying "if" you did.

B-)

[mermaid]

2. How About This?

I'd prefer the cop to go the fuck back to Dunkin' donuts where he belongs, and stop trying to make common citizens into criminals, while REAL crooks get away with everything!

[Floogeldy]

14. You need to start lobbying your state legislature . . .

. . . to repeal all of the stupid laws that cops are charged with enforcing. Heck, I'll join you!

B-)

[BlueEyedSon]

3. Nice guitar!

[Floogeldy]

30. Did you know that used to be Clapton's guitar?

Todd Rundgren bought it from him a long time ago, and then put it up for auction years ago. I don't know who owns it now.

B-)

[SteppingRazor]

4. I'll take the beating...

Best chances of a successful lawsuit :evilgrin:

[Floogeldy]

7. LOL

B-)

[Walt Starr]

6. So far, 70% of DUers are unreasonable about this, IMO n/t

[Pithlet]

8. Of course you think that.

Big surprise.

[Walt Starr]

9. If a cop has to wait until a perp is damn good and ready to be arrested

there would never be any arrests.

[Pithlet]

13. And if everyone

formulated their opinions about a group of people based on several votes... Well, DU would be a happy place, for sure!

Also, there's no such thing as sarcasm. The option that cops should wait until the perp is ready was totally serious.

[Walt Starr]

17. I qualified my statement

I guess you missed that fact.

[Pithlet]

21. Where did you qualify it?

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Pithlet]

40. You didn't. That's what I thought. n/t

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

52. Damn boy, did you run out of Prozac? Or did the bottle say "Do Not

Refill?"

Your hostility in these threads is simply dripping. Chill.

[wtmusic]

11. I know -- they think cops can tase anyone whenever they want to

Gotcha!

(Payback for your George W. Bush is the Best thread) :P

[Walt Starr]

12. Oh yeah?

:P


I thought I'd get some people with that one.

[tx_dem41]

10. I would prefer that I have the wits about me to understand the situation..

I was in, and act rationally in response.

[Walt Starr]

15. DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING!!!

When confronted by a cop, go along. Do not resist. Everything will out in court.

When questioned by a cop, the answer to any question is simple, "I want my attorney." You never need to say anything more than "Yes sir/ma'am", "No sir/ma'am", and "I want my attorney" when dealing with a cop.

[Pithlet]

19. No one has been arguing otherwise

You're on board somewhere in the alternate universe today, Walt. We at DU are not a bunch of anarchists who hate cops.

The argument isn't that people should be able to resist arrest. The arguement is that the penalty for it should not be getting tasered. That simply not getting out of your car right away is an excuse to repeatedly taser someone while they're writhing in agony. The only reason a cop should be able to whack us, shock us, shoot us, spit on us, is if we are a physical danger to the cop or anyone else. And simply refusing to get out of the car because we were pulled over for a suspended liscence does NOT meet that requirement. If she were a suspect leaving the scene of a violent crime, then it would be different. Driving on a suspended liscence is not a violent crime. She was not a suspect of a violent crime.

[Walt Starr]

22. Well, I've seen posts here supporting people refusing to comply

with lawful orders during arrests. That is arguing against using common sense when dealing with a cop.

[Pithlet]

25. Where?

And, even if that were so, what does that have to do with whether or not cops should get to taser the hell out of us during a traffic stop for a nonviolent crime?

I simply have seen no posts stating that we should only have to follow a cops orders when we feel like it.

[Walt Starr]

28. you've been posting in those threads all day. n/t

[Pithlet]

34. Yep. I have. And I haven't seen those posts you allude to. n/t

n/t with emphasis.

[Walt Starr]

35. Refer to my post regarding reading comprehension. n/t

[Pithlet]

38. Oh, Walt, you're so smart!

You got me!

N/T

[tx_dem41]

29. "Damned good and ready"...

I believe 68% of the people so far in this poll, have stated that we "should only have to follow a cops orders when we feel like it".

[Pithlet]

That is factuall evidence for you.

A poll that anyone who's registered to DU, regardless of political offiliation or intentions as to membership of this board, can respond to.

[tx_dem41]

42. I was simply responding to your statement that you had "seen no...

...post". Now, poll responses might not qualify as "posts", but I think by the responses that its quite clear that a majority of DU "posters" do hold the opinion that you claim you have not seen.

[Pithlet]

43. No, it says nothing of the sort

And poll results are nothing like posts. Anyone who has taken two seconds to register can post their answer. Not to mention those who don't take these polls seriously, and there are many, who would answer in a sarcastic tone. Polls are an amusement and nothing more. Anyone who takes the results seriously and thinks they're scientific in anyway is probably a little naive.

I stand by what I said. I just don't see these posts by anarchic DUers who think we should flaunt the police at every turn.

Edited for clarity.

[tx_dem41]

45. Anyone who has taken two seconds to register can post a "post"...

..as well. So, I don't see why that matters.

If I was making a judgement about DU as a "group", then your criticism of poll results would be germaine. But, (again I state), I was responding to your statement that you had seen no such posts (implying not one single post).

[Pithlet]

48. Well, I haven't!

Where are those posts? I stated I hadn't seen any. There IS a difference between posting a worded response, and clicking a poll. You can take someone at face value when they actually put words together and form sentences. It's easier to determine where they stand on an issue when they actually TELL you. You can't know why someone clicked option 2. For crying out loud.

And, I really wasn't responding to you, anyway. You're not the person I really have a problem with.

[tx_dem41]

26. One problem is that this particular poll doesn't really give me that..

..option. "Damned good and ready to be arrested". Hmmm...what if I'm never "damned good and ready"? In fact, who the heck would be "damned good and ready to be arrested"?

So, how long should the police wait for the lady to be "damned good and ready"? And, what if she never got to that state?

[Pithlet]

33. He could have pulled her out of that car

pushed her to the ground and handcuffed her. I know cops do that, I've seen it many times. No one was tasered, no one was clubbed, no one was hurt in any of those events. Even when 200 lb men were involved. Now, if at any time during that transaction, she started hitting him, pushing him, then I would concede that there was need for use of extra force, even if I don't agree with the method. But, that isn't what happened, here. He didn't even try that. The instant it became clear she wasn't going to exit the car, he resorted to extreme measures, without trying less painful and forceful ones. If she were a suspect of a violent crime that just occurred, say a robbery, I would understand that unusually forceful methods might be required. But, this was a routine traffic stop.

Really. I don't want to live in a country where I could get stopped for having an expired tag, say, and if the cop doesn't feel in his opinion that I was deferential enough, he could pull out a taser and shock me, and that there would be people who defend this.

[qanda]

51. Yeah, that worked for Amadu and Johnny Gammage

:eyes:

[cestpaspossible]

16. Your preference? The cop will decide whether you resisted arrest --

that charge is pretty much at the officers discretion.


Amazingly enough, you can be tried for resisting arrest even without an underlying criminal act.

[Floogeldy]

23. Did you know . . .

. . . that at common law, a person can can use non-deadly force to resist arrest if they sincerely and reasonably believe the arrest is unlawful?

However, in a lot of states now, it is illegal to resist even if you believe the arrest to be unlawful.

But also, citizens do retain the ability to defend themselves if the arresting officer greatly exceeds the limit of necessary force.

B-)

[mermaid]

32. If You Are Pulled Over

And you feel it is in an unsafe area, or an area that is not well-lighted, with plenty of witnesses...or if you feel the one pulling you over may not be a legitimate cop (there have been cop impersonators that have raped and killed women after pulling them over) you have a RIGHT to not fucking pull over.

What you do in such a situation is to put your hazards on, indicating to the cop that you see his lights on and that you are acknowledging them. Then, continue to drive at your current speed, neither slowing or speeding up...until you arrive at a location you feel safe, and then pull over.

Any real cop will appreciate exactly what you are trying to do. Any bad cop, or an impersonator, will likely either find another victim...or will begin to attempt to assault you or your vehicle in an attempt to force you to pull over in an unsafe area, because their intentions are NOT good. This is why you should also have a fully-charged cellphone at all times on your person. Because if you're being pulled over, and are suspicious, your very first call should be to 911.

[cestpaspossible]

36. You are talking about the law as written, not as practiced.

[Ron Green]

18. Anyone resisting arrest would naturally prefer to avoid accountability,

so it's no surprise that few resisters would want to suffer any immediate consequences.

[MisterP]

24. but the cops aren't walking away, they're just waiting

[pocket]

20. I've been tasered and maced

Mace is waaaaaay worse, and it doesn't just turn off like a taser.

I'd like that last option, but I live in the real world.

[tx_dem41]

31. If you've been maced AND tasered...

you definitely qualify for living in an all-too-real world. Yowza.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

37. Why all the justification for excessive use of force?

This poll is a crock of shit. The woman was small, there were two cops on the scene. That is enough to restrain and cuff her which no one would have argued against.

First he tasered her...then when she was down he tasered her again.

So for all the macho brutality defenders...if a member of YOUR family were in that video and NOT a black woman..would it STILL have been jusitified?

[cestpaspossible]

39. You know why. Lord Acton said it.

[Misunderestimator]

41. Thanks for saving me the trouble of responding...

sheesh... next they'll be tasering babies in car seats.

[Pithlet]

44. Well, then babies should show the proper respect

due the authorities. Why, to suggest otherwise is total anarchy!

[Misunderestimator]

46. I agree... and the high-pitched screaming...

that alone is cause for use of force.

[Pithlet]

50. lol

For sure.

[wtmusic]

47. no shit

Common sense. She had a major 'tude on, but dealing with bad attitudes goes with the job.

The cop has serious power/control issues. I'd bet my bottom dollar he's Republican.

[Pithlet]

49. Exactly. Whatever happened to pulling them out of the car

and handcuffing them? All of these blustery "Well, what would you have done?" responses are ridiclous.

[pocket]

53. IMHO, she is better off

getting tasered than wrestled down by 2 big cops. Much more chance of serious injury if they pulled her out and sat on her.

[redqueen]

54. The results of this poll are flippin hilarious.

Completely detached from reality as well.

[dogday]

55. Who are the 4 who wanted to be tazered?

[tx_dem41]

56. I chose the option that was a combination of least pain, least..

chance of serious injury, and least chance of getting hit with more than a speeding ticket. Being an Electrical Engineer, it was an easy choice.

[Moderator]

57. Locking.

This seems to be intentional flamebait.

Thanks for your consideration.
DU Mod

[Moderator]

58. Poll question: Which would you rather happen if you resisted arrest?

Seems to be intentional flamebait, continuing an earlier thread on the incident.