Should law enforcement be allowed to Tase noncompliant but nonviolent

[Guaranteed]

suspects?

[sniffa]

1. onLy if they're not me

tasers for everyone!!!

[Guaranteed]

5. HA!

Yes. Exactly.

[wakeme2008]

2. Asking a person to get out of their car FOUR times or they will be tasered

I think is enough warning.....

[sniffa]

4. especiaLLy if they're not me

ZAP!!!

[Stinky The Clown]

18. What harm would befall society if she stayed in the car all fucking week?

This shit has to end.

Taser are great in cases where the alternative is a gun. They are NOT okay so the cop can get to the donut shop on time.

Okay, that was over the top, but this has to have limits. They waited how long for that guy on the crane in Atlanta? Tasers should ONLY be used in cases of clear and present danger to the cop or when deadly force is the only other alternative. If some 22 year old girl wants to sit in her SUV for a fucking week and refuse to get out ..... so what??????

There HAVE to be limits.

[AX10]

33. I'm adding you to my buddy list!

I see taser guns as an alternative when their is a REAL threat to the police and population. The taser was not needed in this case. McNevin needs to be fired.

I am glad to see someone being reasonable.

[bpilgrim]

23. if they are dealing with a JACKBOOTED THUG, sure...

but in a sane world, only VIOLENT offenders would be.

peace

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. Absolutely not

Where there is no threat to them, they should handcuff people.

Otherwise, we are sanctioning torture and sadism under the guise of law enforcement.

[Guaranteed]

6. Totally agreed.

Why incapacitate a suspect so violently when they aren't threatening you?

[KittyWampus]

8. How Do You Know Someone Isn't Armed?

Suppose they never get around to complying.

How do you get someone out of a car to handcuff them if they resist?

[Guaranteed]

9. You never know if a suspect is armed until after

you've fully patted them down. You going to Tase everyone before that?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. How did they get them out of the car before widespread sales of tasers?

[Xithras]

26. Pepper spray, baton, gunpoint.

Of the four methods, Tasers tend to do the least amount of damage for the shortest period of time.

[Stinky The Clown]

19. Use a very, very old, tried and true method ......... WAIT

Why the rush to get them out of the car?

Who gets harmed if we wait?

[Stinky The Clown]

37. At some point they'll have to pee or eat

Sitting in a car is NOT forever. Wait it out, What's the damned rush?

[Robb]

10. Then what's handcuffing?

The mortality numbers on handcuffed people (well, fully so -- hogtied, basically, which is what you'd do if you're really concerned about keeping someone immobile while you're looking elsewhere) are quite high.

How is that less torture and sadism? Especially when you consider positional asphyxiation is the number one common factor in custodial deaths?

[Pithlet]

12. If someone dies in the custody of the police

from a direct result of police brutality, then the police officer should be punished, regardless of the method used. You can state numbers, but nothing changes the fact that the police officers used excessive force in this case being discussed. I don't see how anyone can watch that video and not be appalled. Police brutality DOES exist, and if this wasn't an example of it, I don't know what is. The defense of this particular act, regardless of what statistics one might throw out, is disturbing, to say the least.

[Robb]

21. You're right, I fully support police brutality

:eyes:

Read my upstream posts. I'm merely pointing out (by 'throwing out statistics,' even) the attention being paid to tasers FAR outpaces their impact.

Tasers make sexy copy. Choking with a nightstick doesn't. Neither does blunt force trauma, complications related to drugs or poor health, or even CS (pepper spray) these days.

But it's not the instrument, it's the institution. Ban tasers. Great. That'll do nothing to address the problem. Probably make it worse, since no one cares to read (or write) about some schmuck who can't see anymore because he took a baton to the head in the prison lunchroom.

[Pithlet]

22. Sigh. I didn't say that you supported police brutality.

:eyes:

[Robb]

25. Then I somehow completely misinterpreted

"The defense of this particular act, regardless of what statistics one might throw out, is disturbing, to say the least."

[Pithlet]

27. I wasn't referring to you

I was referring to DU in general.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

13. Frankly, I am against all forms of excessive force

and I would like to see the figures you speak about. Handcuffing in and of itself would asphyxiate no one...the reason I question the stats is that I wonder if those stats include people that were beaten prior to handcuffing or the like.

[AX10]

14. If you have not been assaulted by the officer then handcuffing...

CANNOT kill you.

[Robb]

20. Hands and feet

...and on your belly. If it's big, you've got an excellent shot at not being able to breathe.

And if you think LE just handcuffs your wrists when they've got a concern about what you're doing and want to focus their attention elsewhere, then you haven't been arrested lately... that is, in the past sixty years. :)

[wakeme2008]

16. She hit the officer....

and was told FOUR times to get out.....

[Pithlet]

28. I'm not stomaching watching that video again.

But, I did not see her hit him. Can anyone else confirm if this happened?

[merh]

30. No she didn't hit the officer.

As a matter of fact, she was charged with NON VIOLENT resisting arrest.

Goodwin was charged with driving on a suspended license and resisting arrest without violence. She was treated at Bethesda Memorial Hospital after complaining that her arm was numb, according to the report, and then transferred to jail.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2005/05/29/a16a_taser_vig1_0529.html

[Guaranteed]

31. Damn.

Well done.

[merh]

32. The officer was lying, bold face lying when he said she was fighting

He will probably lose his job over this. First he said she was fighting him, then he realized the video was still on and he said he was fighting the other cop. The other cop wasn't going to lie for the cop, so they charged her with non-violent resisting arrest.

If you look at the video, you see her in the driver's seat. Now mind you she has the phone in one hand and she is smoking a cig. The other cop has his feet on the ground, at the passenger doorway. For her to hit him, he would have had to have been inside the vehicle or she had to have extra arms that were really long.

Go read that article and all other articles about tasers linked at that site. It would appear that this officer's inappropriate use or misuse of the taser has caused all of the chiefs of police in Florida to reevaluate their procedures regarding use of the taser, specifically to create a policy as to what resistence is sufficient resistance that necessiates the use of the taser.

[AX10]

34. I must concur. merh, you've got the facts. I commend you.

I will add you to my buddy list.

[merh]

35. ah shucks

weren't nuthin' :blush:

:hi:

[AX10]

38. Thanks!

:hi:

[AX10]

7. NO way!

[Mojambo]

15. Non compliant but non-violent?

Absolutely, unequivocally NO.

It would have a pretty chilling effect on what remains of non-violent protest in this country.

[Guaranteed]

17. Yes it would.

Many here are disregarding that, though.

[AX10]

24. And Rush says that DU is "left wing".

:eyes:

[merh]

36. Can you imagine protest marches.

Dogs and tasers, tasers and dogs

And those friggin sound devices they now have.

This scares the hell out of me! :scared:

[Guaranteed]

29. Tase the thread nt