I just started Reading 'Case Closed' by Posner

[WilliamPitt]

What do I need to know about him and this book?

He has a new opening intro that really rips into conspiracy folk.

I thought I'd ask.

[tuvor]

1. Is this the same guy that was on TDS last week?

He was plugging "Secrets of the Kingdom".

[WilliamPitt]

2. Dunno

Gerald Posner is the author.

[Syrinx]

8. yes

[rooboy]

3. I seem to recall someone mentioning that his book came out...

just BEFORE a huge dump of official documents were released, which seems a little fishy for a guy who wants to declare a case 'closed'.

[lazarus]

4. iirc

he totally buys the Warren Commission report.

To my mind, that eliminates any credibility he may have right there.

[Bolo Boffin]

36. actually, he doesn't

For example, he believe the Warren Commission got the bullet sequence wrong, which gave rise to the magic bullet nonsense. Posner shows how his version gets the governor and the president in the right position to both be hit by that one bullet.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

5. Poseur is a Lying POS. Here:

http://www.assassinationweb.com/issue1.htm

[Syrinx]

6. I always had the feeling that he is "military intelligence"

I have no evidence. But that's the feeling I get.

I don't know for whom. USA, Israel, etc.

But that's the vibe I get. I guess "vibes" aren't worth much though. ;)

[TomClash]

12. I get the same vibes

nt

[BlueIris]

17. I've long been of this opinion, and I don't say that about many men.

Or women, for that matter. And I think Will and other readers should judge "Case Closed" on its merits, or lack thereof, but for the record: anyone as young as Posner claims he is who has had THAT much plastic surgery, is someone I look twice at. With squinty eyes. Doesn't necessarily scream "HIDDEN IDENTITY," but to me, it's suspicious. Also, his clipped, polished manner, so ridiculously unflappable and impenetrable, despite what some people feel are the absurd implausibility of his claims, is the mark of someone who may have had, let us say, special training (read=conditioning) to remain unbothered by the insults and attacks of those who disagree with him, no matter who they are. His attitude has also always struck me as TOO calm; he's a person who doesn't care about the questions critics have about his integrity because he doesn't HAVE to care. "Credibility" is not a term that has any meaning to him, because it doesn't matter if he comes across as credible. Lack of credibility won't hurt him in any sense--he published "Case Closed" for reasons other than making a valid, believable argument in favor of the Lone Gunman theory, selling books, or advancing his "own" reputation.

[Syrinx]

38. well said!

Thanks to you, I have a better understanding of why I feel the way I do about Posner.

[NoMoreMrNiceGuy]

7. I saw that idiot on TV defending Corporations that poisons(literally)

entire communities. He was making it out that it was just a bunch of conspiracy nuts and ambulance chasers that give corporations a bad name. That they would never harm people in the pursuit of a profit. I couldn't believe my ears...he is a shill.

[Fridays Child]

9. Posner: Clinton’s Negligence Led to 9/11

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/9/4/03534.shtml

snip

Best-selling author Gerald Posner says much of the blame for 9/11 and the U.S. government’s negligence falls squarely on the shoulders of Bill Clinton and his administration.

In a stunning revelation made in his just released “Why America Slept: the Failure to Prevent 9/11” – Posner asserts the disaster of Sept. 11 could have been prevented and that President Clinton passed on more than one opportunity to arrest or kill Osama bin Laden.

Posner describes one incident in 1996 when Clinton passed on an easy opportunity to nab bin Laden.

“When bin Laden leaves the Sudan on a chartered commercial airliner with 150 of his top aides and his family, he goes to Qatar to refuel on his way to Pakistan,” Posner recounted to Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly Wednesday night.

Posner continued: “And Qatar, being an ally of the U.S. calls up and says ‘what should we do with this guy?’

“And the word comes back from the top of the administration ‘let him land and proceed on to Pakistan.’”

[anarchy1999]

10. Disinformation. Discount. Walk away, and don't look back.

n/t

[TomClash]

11. Gerald Posner

is a professional conspiracy debunker and one of the main proponents of the JFK assassination single bullet theory.

He's a lawyer by training, but didn't really practice. He did the Harvard, Harvard Law, Cravath thing and then left the law to write books.

If you read the books you get the distinct impression he's in hte employ of the CIA.

[jimshoes]

13. The book

makes a really good door stop.

[burythehatchet]

14. reading his shit

is akin to begging for a glass of kool-aid

[KlatooBNikto]

15. I have seen Gerald Posner on a few TV shows.He comes across as a person

who wants you to think he is privy to information that you and I have no access to.To ensure his superior status as an Insider he releases tidbits that assure our compliance.And he then drops the bombshell that we have been harboring Conspiracy Theories.

I think he contaminates our political discourse and that may very well be his function.

[lawladyprof]

16. Related to federal circuit court (6th?) Posner? eom

N/T

[orwell]

18. Personal Background

I went to St. Ignatius High School with this shit in San Francisco. We both graduated in 1972.

He was president of the debate club and widely viewed as a simpering twit - a classic nerd. When I saw him years later on TV pushing some book I was stunned at the transformation. He was now a "made-over" big time author trying to project an air of suave authority.

I will always remember him as the guy most likely to get a wedgie in the hallways. I guess he's getting the last laugh.

[ultraist]

24. LOL! He's laughing all the way to the bank. ;)

[TomClash]

25. He's still a dork nt

[truebrit71]

19. He is a Warren Commission apologist...

...his "book" is not worth the paper it is printed on...

[bpilgrim]

20. Posner is working for da man

it was interesting him spin on 911 and is when i first became aware of him... after doing casual research on-line my suspicions were confirmed.

i.e. he BUYS the single bullet theory

peace

[moof]

21. So , there would be no need to think conspiracy if he was found dead?

Say with a .22 cal pistol at his feet and a pair of rubber gloves draped over the weapon?

Oh ! Right , .... the gloves explain the lack of powder residue on his hands from the self inflicted wound.

[ChickMagic]

22. He does make some good points

And he does apologize for the Warren Commission. After I read it, I just thought, "Meh". It wasn't very enlightening. I work with a couple of docs here at Parkland who were working in the ER when Kennedy was here. Neither of them think there was a conspiracy judging by what they saw. That's strictly their medical opinion. I'm squarely in the "I don't know" camp.

I was completely in the anti-conspiracy camp until I heard Bush I say that he had no idea where he was or what he was doing when Kennedy was shot. That's when I perked up. Now, I don't know.

[Zen Democrat]

33. Interestingly, the doctors in the trauma room that worked on Kennedy

ALL testified to a large, gaping, EXIT wound in the occipital-parietal area (back of the head). The autopsy doctors didn't report this. But, the autopsy doctors had never performed an autopsy before. Strange, huh?

Exceedingly strange that Kennedy's body was hustled off to Washington DC so that three Navy doctors at Bethesda with NO experience in forensic pathology could autopsy the murdered President of the United States in a room full of top brass.

Kennedy's body was illegally removed from Parkland with guns drawn and with the casket being pushed and pulled between the Secret Secret and Dr. Rose at Parkland, who by law should have done the autopsy on the President.

[H2O Man]

23. He distorts the truth.

And does it consciously. His works are disinformation.

[H2O Man]

42. "Man of the House"

I think Tip O'Neill was an honest man. People might not have agreed with everything he stood for, but he was a good and decent man. His book is one of the most important political memoirs from the 1900s.

On page 211, O'Neill notes he never "had doubts or suspicions about the Warren Commission's report.." Until 1968 (the year is important) when he shared a meal with two of JFK'd closest friends, Kenny O'Donnell and Dave Powers. Both men were in Dallas, a few cars back from the president. Both heard shots coming from the grassy knoll. Both were 100% sure that at least some of the shots came from that knoll, and told the FBI so. Both were told to lie to the Warren Commission.

Theories like the Warren Commission's and Posner's depend upon the FBI's pressuring people to lie. "I used to think the only people who doubted the Warren Commission were crackpots," O'Neill wrote. "Now, however, I'm not so sure."

If O'Donnell and Powers were correct, then Posner can't be. O'Neill included the details of his 1968 meal because he recognized the full implications. 1968 did that to people.

[H2O Man]

43. One more suggestion:

If you want to learn more about how Posner twists the truth, I would strongly suggest you get two books, and compare them as you read both. The first, by Posner, is "Killing the Dream: the Assassination of Martin Luther King,Jr." The second, by William Pepper, is "Orders to Kill: The Truth behind the Murder of Martin Luther King, Jr."

Should you buy and read these books, Mr. Pitt, and conclude that it was not worthwhile, I will send you a check that doubles your investment in the two books.

[Enraged_Ape]

26. I actually liked that book, and I agreed with Posner

(putting on my flame-retardant underwear: hold it, just a second, gotta get that leg in; now that one; okay!)

I wouldn't say that he agrees 100% with the Warren Commission, but he does buy the single-bullet theory and makes a case why it might not be so far-fetched.

Basically, the take-home message that I got from his book is that Oswald acted alone, but he most likely WAS involved with the CIA in some fashion, and THAT is why the Warren Commission tried to cover some things up.

[maveric]

27. And do you buy the "Magic Bullet Theory"?

That alone disproves ANYTHING Posner or any other anti-conspiracy theorist!

[bpilgrim]

28. or Oswald acted alone?

or that he wasn't shot from the front?

Posner was front'n for the neoCONs right after 911, too and continues to this very day.

peace

[Enraged_Ape]

29. Based on Posner's account, yeah, it's possible

Probable? I don't know about that. Though the bullet was never quite as "pristine" as we are often led to believe.

Here's my take on it: I don't think there was a huge conspiracy to kill JFK that saw its plans realized in Dallas. But at the same time, there is a whole lot about JFK's assassination that we AREN'T being told and that is actively being covered up. I don't think Posner's book completely discounts that.

[maveric]

34. How does a bullet stop in mid-air and change direction?

C'mon!!

[Zen Democrat]

35. Did you ever see that "Single Bullet"?

There are fewer grains of metal missing from that bullet than were removed from John Connally's thigh. And some bullet fragments were never removed from Connally's wrist and were buried with him.

[Awsi Dooger]

41. I would wager every wordly cent Oswald acted alone

And the single bullet theory is correct.

I've seen at least three re-enactments that demonstrate the angles line up perfectly.

But the most hysterical aspect the conspiracy loons don't seem to comprehend is the more variables you establish, the LESS likely or simple it is to successfully execute or cover up your scheme. Of course, on internet newgroups the one guy who is always cleared of guilt immediately is the guy standing over the body with the gun in his hand. Every other wacko theory is not only possible, they all happened simultaneously.

[blm]

30. I always felt he was a BFEE disinformation specialist. He claims to be a

lefty which is LAUGHABLE since all his writings end up dumping on the left and Democrats.

I think he's used to form conventional thinking, like when he blamed Clinton from the get-go on 9-11 when you had Bush refusing to read the Hart-Rudman Report on Global Terror that was handed to him on Jan 30, 2001, after an exhaustive TWO and HALF YEAR study on terror around the world COURTESY OF CLINTON'S FOCUS ON TERROR.

[Al-CIAda]

31. I concour with the majority sentiment above. n/t

[Zen Democrat]

32. This is what you should know about Posner ....

His book is basically lifted from the ABA mock trial of Lee Harvey Oswald. Failure Analysis provided information to the prosecution and to the defense. The book Case Closed comprises the prosecution case and the information provided by Failure Analysis to the prosecution team.

The defense case and the information provided to the defense team by Failure Analysis is completely ignored in the book.

Posner is widely believed to be a CIA asset. Before writing the so-called (by the Controlled Media) "definitive" book about the JFK assassination, Posner was called a "reputable Wall Street lawyer." That has always reminded me of the FBI Memorandum of November 22, 1963, calling George H.W. Bush a "reputable Houston businessman."

Anyway, Posner has to be present whenever the Kennedy Assassination is discussed on TV - network or cable. Whenever there is new information, or an anniversary, or any discussion whatsoever, on the Today show, Good Morning America, on the History Channel, The Discovery Channel, the Biography Channel or assassination specials on PBS, ABC, CBS and NBC -- Posner is there. He had no research background that can be determined prior to writing Case Closed.

Posner does cute little things like taking various tidbits of disinformation and disproving them, ergo disproving conspiracy. However, most of the things he "disproves" come out of left field and weren't a part of any of the serious research I had previous read.

Posner wrote a book about H. Ross Perot that was widely panned as inaccurate. Then he wrote a book about Motown, which was laughed at by everyone in the know about the Detroit music scene in the 60's.

Now he's got a book out about Saudi Arabia -- and he was described on a talk show recently as an "expert on Saudi Arabia."

The fact that this guy has the imprimatur of The Powers That Be, I'd take him with a grain of salt -- or perhaps the whole shaker. His recent Saudi writings lead me to believe that he represents the faction of the CIA that opposes some of the international policy of the Bushes.

That there was a conspiracy to kill JFK is a given. It's not even debatable anymore.

Posner probably isn't even this guy's real name. It's probably Poseur.


Edited to add that the AMA's mock trial of Lee Harvey Oswald ended in a hung jury. Hardly "case closed."

[gordianot]

37. Posner is an interesting subject in himself. Don't believe his books.

I would love however to find out who funds and what motivates him. Posner is a living repository of disinformation of a magnitude greater than any conspiracy theorist.

By the way there were numerous parties working in tandem to kill President Kennedy guess that makes me a conspiracy theorist. I do not pretend to have any definitive answers like Posner. Case is not closed nor will it be in our lifetime.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. Wow. I knew there was a reason I had that guy filed under "doofus".

Yep. That was it.

Because clearly only a major conspiracy nut would doubt that air-tight case presented by the Warren Commission, what with its magic bullets and superhuman shooting done by Oswald with a cheap mailorder rifle. Oh, and lets not forget the reams of weirdness upon weirdness upon mysterious deaths upon creepy facts upon vanished CIA files upon weird intelligence connections upon inexplicable coincidences upon plainly doctored evidence upon.. etc.

I think of all the strange possible realities that took place on Nov. 22, 1963, the one outlined in the Warren Rept. is quite possibly the LEAST plausible version out there. I don't know who Posner was shilling for when he wrote that book, or why, but I do know the case is hardly "closed". If that makes me "conspiracy folk", so be it.

[eridani]

40. Establishment anti-conspiracy street cred all the better then--

--when he's talking about US-Saudi connections. The other two fellows mentioned by Zubaydah also met untimely demises when they were in their 40s.


http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/072804C.shtml

Moreover, the report makes no effort to determine whether the question of the special repatriation of high-ranking Saudis from the United States was discussed on the same day as the first flight in a private meeting - no aides permitted - between President Bush and the Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar bin Sultan. The ambassador has denied that the subject was discussed in his conversation with the president. But did the commission ask the president about it when it had the opportunity to question him? If so, there is no indication in the report.

The report makes no mention that one of the Saudis on the flight that left Kentucky for Saudi Arabia was Prince Ahmed bin Salman. Nephew to King Fahd, Prince Ahmed was later mentioned to American interrogators in March 2002 by none other than Abu Zubaydah, a top Qaeda official captured that same month. The connection, if any, between a top operative of Al Qaeda and a leading member of the royal family has remained unresolved despite Saudi denials. Prince Ahmed cannot be asked: he died in 2002, at the age of 43, from complications from stomach surgery in a Riyadh hospital.

Not only does the 9/11 report fail to resolve the matter of whether Mr. Zubaydah - who featured prominently in the now infamous Presidential Daily Briefing of Aug. 6, 2001 - was telling the truth when he named Prince Ahmed and several other princes as his contacts, but they do not even mention the prince in the entire report. The report does have seven references to Mr. Zubaydah's interrogations, yet not a single one is from March, the month of his capture, and the time he made his startling and still unproven accusations about high-ranking Saudi royals.