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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:43 AM
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NY dodges a bullet - West Side Stadium and Olympic bid seem dead


You folks got lucky.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:46 AM
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1. Well, we still have Pataki and Bloomberg as our guv and mayor
We're not THAT lucky.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:48 AM
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3. Pataki only until 2006, Bloomberg until 2005...
Pataki won't run again, and we'll likely have Spitzer as our governor. I'm not optimistic that Bloomberg will win either this year.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:50 AM
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5. Next year we will have Gov. Spitzer and Mayor Anthony Weiner
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 08:52 AM by Stephanie

Crossing fingers. Just had a rant about Bloomberg last night with a girl who was imprisoned during the RNC for WALKING DOWN THE STREET. She was not doing anything, she was going HOME. In Guantanamo on the Hudson for 52 HOURS. Bloomberg is an autocratic bully who's using NYC as his personal playground to host his Republican fiestas - they treated NYC like a theme park they had rented out for the week and trampled on the residents who had the audacity to stay. The stadium is the same deal - it only benefits rich team owners and ticket holders. Regular folks are not getting Jets tickets, you can count on that. And the Olympics? Paint a big bullseye on New York and get it over with. Frank Rich had a great op-ed on this last week. Bloomberg was actually CRYING on the radio this morning about his rejected bid for state $$ for the stadium - a whiny CHILD denied his TOY. How I LOATHE him. Can you tell?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:04 AM
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7. I just hope the Dems nominate someone better than Mark "Asshole" Green
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 09:06 AM by geek tragedy
to run against Bloomberg. Ferrer or Weiner would be just fine.

But yeah, this stadium is just one giant vanity project for him.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:25 AM
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10. Ferrer, please no. n/t
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:05 AM
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12. We need the footage of him crying, literally crying, about it
I don't know when he made the statement - heard it on the radio today. CRYING because he didn't get his toy stadium. Spoiled, wilful bully, Richie Rich. Hate his GUTS for the abuse he's heaped on us, by which I mostly mean that outrageous convention.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:47 AM
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2. Good riddance!
I don't live in Manhattan, but I work there, and I have thought this stadium deal was one of the most hare-brained schemes ever conceived. While the city is laying off cops, closing firehouses and failing to address its physically crumbling schools -- Bloomberg wanted to spend some $1 billion tax dollars on a stadium that would provide only temporary living wage jobs for the most part along with a windfall for the owners of the NY Jets.

I'm glad this thing was shot down, even though as a civil engineer it could have meant a lot of work being thrown my company's way. There are better ways to invest public funds.
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:49 AM
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4. Thank you Sheldon Silver
The biggest boondoggle the city could have is finally shut down. He was absolutely right that they were doing this instead of rebuilding downtown. Screw the Jets and screw Bloomberg and Pataki.
We weren't getting the Olympics and we didn't want the friggin games in the first place.
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:52 AM
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6. As far as the Olympics go yes
Still I suspect that the stadium idea will rise from the grave like Tor Johnson in Plan Nine from Outer Space - there is nothing harder to kill than a bad idea that will spend tons of public money and make a small group of well connected insiders rich. Add to that Blomberg's ego factor (my legacy my precious legacy) you can rest assured we haven't heard the last of this Turkey.

Still not having to see those horrible ads with Ed Koch or those bloody print ads all over will be a relief.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:07 AM
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8. The worst was that ad with the bald firefighter. Oy. eom
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:14 AM
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9. Good!
I agree with the Assemblyman--they need to get lower Manhattan taken care of first before embarking on a new project that will make the already horrible traffic problem even worse. If they want to spend some taxpayer money, how about expanding I-278 to 3 or more lanes from the Verrazano Bridge to LaGuardia. It makes no sense for a city the size of NY to have antiquated interstate roadways--crumbling concrete so bad you can see the rebar. Spend some ducats on that first. NY doesn't need the Olympics--it needs to get its roads together.
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aeolian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:27 AM
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11. Well, no, let's not spend more upstate toll money on free roads around NYC
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 09:31 AM by aeolian
We're getting sick of subsidising everything downstate. We need the money up here.

But that's a matter for the state forums. :)
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:30 AM
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14. Wrong...
...we're the ones subsidizing you, the way the "Blue States" subsidize the "Red" ones.



May 2, 2003
Notion of a 51st State Comes Around Again
By NICHOLE M. CHRISTIAN

Message to Albany: Get your act together or you may be looking at the 51st state.

That would be the city formerly known as New York, N.Y.

City Councilman Peter F. Vallone Jr. has introduced a bill to explore the city's secession from the state. He says it offers the city a way to become less dependent on a state that takes $3.5 billion more each year from taxpayers than it returns.

The quixotic notion got a hearing before a City Council committee yesterday. Several speakers addressed Mr. Vallone's bill, which would create a commission that would examine secession and decide whether to hold a referendum on the matter.

"Every day Albany gives us another reason to just go our way," Mr. Vallone said. The latest example, he said, is the budget being drafted in Albany, which he called "another sham."

"They're giving us the ability to increase taxes on New York City residents at a time when we already pay too much in taxes."

The bill calls for the commission to study the idea for two years, then pass it on to voters. From there, state legislators would have to vote on passing it on to Washington.

Not that it has much of a shot at even getting through the City Council. "I don't think anyone takes it as a serious effort or solution," said Councilman Bill Perkins of Manhattan, chairman of the Governmental Operations Committee, where the bill was introduced.

Still, for years there has been a certain allure to the idea of going it alone. The writers Norman Mailer and Jimmy Breslin based a campaign for mayor around it 34 years ago. And a threat of secession by Staten Island residents in 1993 caused such a political stir that it played a key role in the election of Rudolph W. Giuliani as mayor, the closure of the Fresh Kills landfill, the elimination of fares on the Staten Island Ferry and the construction of a minor-league stadium in the borough.

"It's not surprising that the notion of secession from the state has surfaced again," said Ronnie Lowenstein of the Independent Budget Office. "There is a fundamental mismatch between the city's fiscal structure and our level of fiscal autonomy."

MariSol Rodriguez, director of New York City affairs for the Partnership for New York City, said the city subsidizes the state on transit financing alone by $325 million.

Joseph Conway, a spokesman for Gov. George E. Pataki, stopped short of calling Mr. Vallone's effort a waste of time. "We should be serious about our response to this crisis," Mr. Conway said, "and we ought to be working as partners."

Mr. Vallone insists that he is quite serious. "It's a long, difficult road and it's not the safest political idea," he said, "but there are a lot who are frustrated enough to make this happen." And what would this new state be called? Gotham surfaced as one idea. "I kind of like keeping the old name New York State and making the other state change its name," Mr. Vallone said. "We have a bigger police force."


Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-2945.html
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:18 AM
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13. So long as we're talking about better things to spend taxpayer money on...
...how about, after rebuilding downtown, getting a Second Avenue subway?

Hell, howzabout just getting some of all that money city residents have to pay in state tax to subsidize the rest of the state's not paying its fair share back where it belongs?
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