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Tue Jun-07-05 01:50 PM
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My take on the Kerry situation |
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He tells us he is going to bring the DSM to the Senate. Yet, he doesn't. However, magically his military records and his education records are released. Now--he has NOTHING to hide. He is 100% transparent. Suppose he is going to let the paparazzi sling it all around--let the pugs spin. Let them get it all over with. THEN when he brings the memo forth, with 100% transparency, there is NOTHING they can do to him anymore. His personal life just became a non-story. I would like to believe that now--more than ever--even during the election--he sees the importance of being a messenger of truth. I think we should stand behind him and trust him--even though he did let us down before. He doesn't want anything standing in the way of bringing those memos forth. That says alot.
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Tue Jun-07-05 01:51 PM
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1. I'll stand behind anyone who brings out the truth.... |
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Tue Jun-07-05 01:52 PM
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2. You really don't know Kerry's MO, do you? |
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Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 02:16 PM by brainshrub
Kerry will imply decisive action is immanent, but ultimately he'll do nothing.
Remember the "Big News" that we waited for, never came? Remember all the chatter about how Kerry was rallying the base? Remember the promisses that every vote would count?
I do.
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Tue Jun-07-05 01:53 PM
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He paved the way for transparency. Obviously he has something important to say and doesn't want anything in the way when he says it.
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Tue Jun-07-05 01:58 PM
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8. What exactly is he making "transparent" and why would |
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the Pravda media go along with it? It won't make any difference in the world how much Kerry has released or made public or published; the Bush Ministry of Propaganda (American Media) will skewer him, regardless.
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Tue Jun-07-05 08:21 PM
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23. Remember the lawsuit in Ohio? |
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I do. Every vote will still be counted. It's just not a fast process when the Repubs are in charge of everything.
You are the one who doesn't know his MO. Right around Xmas I saw a story where Kerry was defending the creditors who lost their money because of BCCI. There was a civil suit going on in England, you see. He stuck his nose in, even though the whole thing was years ago, even though none of those people can vote for him. That's persistence.
He continues to work for veterans, and just passed 2 amendments that will help the families of military. This he does even though it's been proven that most of them do not vote and will never vote Dem.
His M.O. is to do what will politically damage him. The fact that so many repeat the old lies about him, both from the left and the right, is a remnant of that political damage. I, for one, am here with the spackle.
He's a careful man, almost obsessively so. He is also a good man. You may have to stare a bit to "get" him, but those of us who have and do, as was said in Newsweek, end up being rather intensely loyal.
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Tue Jun-07-05 01:54 PM
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4. Are you talking about the "Downing Street Minutes" |
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that Ted Kennedy brought out in the Senate today? Maybe Kerry is just waiting for the right moment to talk about it. I'm not sure when that would be, but...
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Tue Jun-07-05 01:56 PM
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7. Kennedy did not bring them to the Senate today (except if I miss something |
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He send an email about them to his supporters.
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Tue Jun-07-05 01:59 PM
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9. Yes, Kennedy made a statement in his e-mail. I don't think any speeches |
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will be made in support of DSM until after Bolton nomination. :shrug: Steve Clemons of Washington Note says Judges and Bolton will be the top agenda this week.
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Tue Jun-07-05 02:06 PM
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10. My mistake. Kennedy's statement was in print. |
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Tue Jun-07-05 01:54 PM
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5. I dont know if this is the case, but a few remarks |
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- Kerry was the first Senator to speak about the minutes.
- He said he would do something, not what. Some people decided they knew how he would do it. They are disappointed, but this is their own fault.
- Concerning the records, the focus on the grade is a way the RWers are using to avoid the real point: Kerry did not lie. There is nothing in this records that was not already public, so he had actually released all his records as he said. As they do not want to acknowledge that, they focus on the grades.
It is a sad day when democratic and liberal blogs fall in the trap of the RWers, but I think we can see a great example today. This grade story is a non-story. The real story is that the SBVT lied and Kerry said the truth.
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Tue Jun-07-05 01:56 PM
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6. It's not Kerry's job alone to call for Investigation of DSM...It' all our |
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Dem Senators jobs to do this. I wish Kerry had waited until there was a good roll call of Dem Senators willing to stand up with him.
Right now he's made himself a target. Whether this is a good strategy by him or not, I don't know.
I applaud Conyers for fighting to get 89 Signatures of his fellow Repugs. Couldn't Kerry have done the same?
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Tue Jun-07-05 02:07 PM
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11. Conyers is a Democrat... |
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Tue Jun-07-05 02:16 PM
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14. Actually, it is not our "Senators" or or "Representatives" job! IT IS OUR |
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Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 02:17 PM by anarchy1999
JOB! Is this the US? Is this the government of, by and for the PEOPLE? It's time for the PEOPLE to make their voices be heard!
Many, many patriots, founding fathers and great presidents have said it, along with many activists. IT IS UP TO US!
THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION! Or at least what is left of it.
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Tue Jun-07-05 02:09 PM
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12. Wake me up when all this is over... |
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Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 02:17 PM by IrateCitizen
Another DU post placing hopes and aspirations with professional politicians, predicting that an elected official is not speaking out because "they're giving the Repubs enough rope to hang themselves" or "they're waiting until the time is right," as if every single thing they do is part of some great, grand strategy that is just above all of us commoners.
:boring:
Someone please wake me when all of this has passed and the inevitable and familiar feeling of complete disappointment has begun to set in....
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Tue Jun-07-05 02:39 PM
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17. Well......I have to say that there's been a string of disappointments in |
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the last four and over years.....
Maybe one day we will catch the "brass ring."
It does get tedious though. There's always "a plan, a strategy...just be patient...caution is better than speaking out...don't want to jump the gun...the media has destroyed our message once again...blah, blah, blah.
But, gotta keep on trying and hoping. What else do we have to do these days except work and worry.
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Tue Jun-07-05 02:50 PM
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18. We've got plenty to do these days besides work and worry... |
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IMHO, when we start jumping on political bandwagons like this over and over again, it falls into the "worry" department. And when we start to "worry", we're not doing anything productive.
Personally, I've dedicated myself to learning how to effectively maintain a garden this year. Then, in the near future, I can step it up to a full-fledged organic garden -- hopefully one where I can save seeds from one year to the next. That way, when all of this other BS is out of the way and we're really facing peak oil and all its attendant disasters, I might be ready to make it through to the other side.
To be quite honest, I've pretty much stopped caring what this band of nitwits (and I include both parties in this) in Washington, DC is doing. If I start caring too much again, I'll only be disappointed. Rather, I'll just continue plugging along, speaking out on the ISSUES that matter to me, and allowing those nincompoops to continue their Beltway circus.
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Tue Jun-07-05 08:11 PM
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19. I hear ya'. Given where i live I can't grow much but I have two tomato |
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plants in pots on my deck which is the only place that get's light and where I can control the soil.
I figure if I get a few then life is good. I've begun the push back against "Agri-Business."
I know what you say...just can't give it all up..and leave it be..for now.
Thanks...understand.
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Tue Jun-07-05 02:12 PM
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13. no doubt these fuckers are all bought and paid for |
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with a few exceptions; dont hold your breath
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Tue Jun-07-05 02:25 PM
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15. I don't know about you |
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but I am beginning to feel like Linus waiting for the "Great Pumpkin" :(
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Tue Jun-07-05 02:30 PM
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16. Your hunch seems plausible. |
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I think you are right. We will see what unfolds in the near future.
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Tue Jun-07-05 08:14 PM
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that Sen. Kerry got wind of blair/bush speech today and wanted to wait till after spoke about memo? Seems like he's waiting for the best time.
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Tue Jun-07-05 08:16 PM
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21. HwnN, I'm with you. I cannot live my life being so damn |
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negative. Today was a good day for us, RE: the wicked MSM reporting on the DSM, I refuse to let anyone convince me to think otherwise. I also think Kerry and Kennedy will eventually address the issue, and hope others jump on board.
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Tue Jun-07-05 08:18 PM
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Kerry in the past is known for making intellectually layered statements about issues that the general populace often cannot parse. It's not his fault that he can grasp sentence structure better than the shrub. Kennedy is the point man, clearing the room with a grenade before Kerry 'splains it all to them.
This also levels the field for Kerry to ask why the Admin. won't release documents relative to Bolton.
Got my fingers crossed that this is their strategy. Few realized in advance what was happening with the gang-of-fourteen play that seems to have chalked as a win for us even though it's generally seen as a compromise. We don't have the sheer force of their numbers on the field, so luckily we got people who know how to build a horse.
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Tue Jun-07-05 08:35 PM
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24. Keep Twisting, I'm Sure We Can Make Kerry A Hero Regardless What He Does |
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or doesn't do.
"I think we should stand behind him and trust him--even though he did let us down before. He doesn't want anything standing in the way of bringing those memos forth. That says alot."
Conjecture to fact just like that?
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Tue Jun-07-05 09:06 PM
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25. He let us down how?. Because he lost? I'm not |
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convinced. Because he wasn't more decisive? I'll argue he had inept people helping him. Because he has more presidential integrity and knowledge than the blivet ever thought about? That's a no-brainer. He let us down because of his concession speech? What were his options? It hasn't been proved definitively to this day that fraud was involved, though I believe it did.
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