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Shanty Oilish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-03 11:21 PM Original message |
What's right/wrong with centrists and centrism? |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-03 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. Perhaps you should distinguish between centrist and corporatist |
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denverbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 10:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. That's a very good point and one I hadn't considered. |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 11:48 AM Response to Reply #18 |
32. Moderate |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-03 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. If Dean's core are activist moderates...he's in good shape, I think. |
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Shanty Oilish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 12:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Thanks, Old, give me nightmares! |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-03 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
3. Jim Hightower put it best... |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-03 11:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. thats how i feel. |
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Brian Sweat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 10:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. That is a nice saying, |
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Rich Hunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 12:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. what could be more closed-minded |
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Brian Sweat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 12:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Straw man |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 08:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
54. thats how I feel too |
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Vikingking66 (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-03 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
4. it's more how you do it and why |
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Woodstock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-03 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
5. Bonus answer: because we need a centrist to beat Bush? |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-03 11:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Tell me what defines too far left? |
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Woodstock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-03 11:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. In poll after poll I'm seeing most Americans identify themselves |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-21-03 11:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Completely true |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 10:19 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. In poll after poll you're seeing most Americans identify themselves |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 10:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. They may identify as "moderates", but they support progressive policies |
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Woodstock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 10:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Also most are pro-choice |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 10:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. It's a question of framing, like anything else. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 12:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
37. Bingo! IC wins the door prize |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 01:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. It's not as simple as "standing up", Armstead -- we have to frame them |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 01:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I agree totally -- You grouch |
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Brian Sweat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 10:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. I agree. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 10:49 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. What's the deal with this bullshit, Brian??? |
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Brian Sweat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 11:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. How is my statement that |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 11:30 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Because it's the same kind of framing as I talked about above |
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Brian Sweat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 11:39 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. No it doesn't |
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Sideways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-03 06:57 AM Response to Reply #29 |
49. You Are Proving Chris's Point |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 06:57 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Brava! Right on! |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 05:43 AM Response to Original message |
11. Robert Reich quote |
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Woodstock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 09:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I agree |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 10:52 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Because you want to win again |
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Woodstock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 06:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
43. But Bush didn't do this, and has a decent chance of winning |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 05:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
41. Centrism gets you elected President |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-03 05:03 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. the limits of ideology |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 07:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Right |
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Iverson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 07:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. right indeed |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
22. I'll take a STAB at it |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 11:20 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Very well stated, as usual NSMA! |
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Shanty Oilish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 11:39 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. But what about centrism in a pres election year... |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 11:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. One word: VISION |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 11:50 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. This is where Dean's approach and the infrastucture he created |
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library_max (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 06:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
42. But they vote. |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
23. Too me centrists and moderates have always been the most realistic |
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realFedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
24. Someone needs to define the center |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
28. I disagree that Lieberman is a centrist. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
34. It represents the interests of Big Business, not of the Workers |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
38. Centraism is reactive -- It is the right-wing's center |
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MariMayans (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
44. because there is no such thing |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 06:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. You described it beautifully |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-03 11:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Ya'll got a point |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-03 06:14 AM Response to Original message |
48. Centrism is a goal, not a starting point. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-24-03 08:27 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Thankyou... |
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Liberator_Rev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-03 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
50. Everything depends on how you define the opposite poles: |
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