Fight_n_back
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Wed Jun-08-05 01:58 PM
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So marriage is the most sanctified act that two people can engage in |
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even though only Catholics consider it a sacrament ...
Yet, most of the big news stories and "Trials of the Century" of the last couple of decades have to do with how marriage sucks.
Clinton's marriage OJs marriage Scott Peterson's marriage The Runaway bride That Utah guy that hid the mattress Brittany's Marriages The Hilton sister marriages Brad and Jen and Ben and the Jens and Benny and the Jetts.
Its just kinda ironical is all.
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:02 PM
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1. who gives a crap about sanctimony |
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I just want to be sure that the person I share my life with can visit me in the hospital and can continue to live in the house and drive the cars we own; and that if I say that he gets whatever I want to give him that my fifth cousin three times removed doesn't have a higher claim on my estate than he does.
I also want to be treated fairly in tax law, insurance law, property law, contract law, hotel and airline bookings, medical decisions, financial decisions, real estate law, and family law.
Sanctimony - that's for religious people to care about.
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:05 PM
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but you are probably going to have to move for any of those things to happen, regard;less of marital status.
Terry Schaivo's husband was barely allowed to make those decisions...
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:07 PM
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4. I think with that case |
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it was because Karl Rove and assholes like Frist and DeLay got their asses involved to appeal to their fundie base. Plus it was all a "he said" and "she said" type of thing. If you have a will that says what you want on it the courts have to abide by it or you can go to your lawyer etc. Plus the parents didn't help much either by recognizing they were married.
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:09 PM
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5. I couldn't disagree more. |
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We will have our right to marry -- with all its flaws -- within ten years in the United States. Marriage equal to what straight folks have.
Mark me -- ten years.
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:12 PM
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9. u go girl! I've got your back. |
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and p.s., we've been married, happy Julie Andrews spinning around like a crazy woman on the mountain married, gonna stay married, just not lawfully.
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:19 PM
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Julie Andrews-happy -- damned right.
Forever -- amen.
We're here -- we're queer -- we're married. We're just waiting for our country to catch up with what's right. Come on, now... it took the Supreme Court to do it for you in Loving v. Virginia... I wonder what our case's name will be?
:bounce:
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:41 PM
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Im feeling a bit extra cynical today.
I think you are right and very soon everyone will wonder what all the fuss was about but everytime I start feeling good about our country I read about how there were about 110,000 made up Bush votes in Ohio or see Chuck Colson on TV talking about ethics.
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Wed Jun-08-05 03:38 PM
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18. I hope you don't have to wait that long |
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because I know how grotesque it can get when one partner is in hospital and his estranged and homophobic family turns up.
(By the way Bertha Van Nation was my favorite stage name. Anita Mann was the second. I applaud your taste, even though you've changed it.)
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:11 PM
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:18 PM
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12. Then support civil unions |
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It is kind of peculiar that the liberal wing, who isn't supposed to care about all that religious stuff, insists on the sanctity of religious marriage.
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:52 PM
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17. actually I want civil marriage |
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whatever everyone else does with their marriages outside of government is their choice.
It's semantics, but we have a better chance of getting "same sex" marriage than "civil unions for everyone" to fly. Personally I don't care what you call it just so long as it is exactly equal in all regards at all times under all circumstances.
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:05 PM
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3. Marriage is the only sanctified act that two people can engage in. |
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All other sanctified acts involve only one person.
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:10 PM
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6. yes but doing sanctific acts in marriage isn't the only reason people |
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get married, in fact, probably the least of reasons in reality.
The ultimate sanctimonious marriage would be one arranged by the church for the church, like they used to back in the 15th century day.
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:11 PM
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8. Maybe Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich can tell you... |
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...they have more experience of marriage than most with three marriages each...and they're ready for more!
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:14 PM
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10. Rush has to keep getting married until |
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he figures out that he keeps sleeping with men because he is GAY not just needy.
Newt is just a misunderstood man. Why should he be expected to stick through his wife's cancer for god's sake? He had a hot young intern ready to go.
Its cases like those that prove marriage is too holy to be allowed for anyone who just happens to want to committ to each other.
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:16 PM
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11. Traditional marriage was an economic arrangement |
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that ensured a man of an unapid domestic servant, brood mare, and nanny for offspring. The day a woman married, until very recently, marked her legal death, as the marriage was considered as one person and the man was that person. Women have had rights of their own within marriage for less than a hundred years.
No wonder they had to gussy it up with hearts and flowers and a fancy dress in a church.
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:24 PM
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It also allowed women to (sometimes) order other women and children around instead of always being the commanded.
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Wed Jun-08-05 02:33 PM
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15. Ya gotta miss those days |
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now a man has to stay interesting for his WHOLE LIFE.
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