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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 08:34 PM
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Who gave Dean the idea to put Repuke bigots on the defensive about
their lack of diversity?

What made him feel confident that there wasn't any right answer for the Repukes when it comes to calling the a monolithic bunch of insular white Christians?


From the Dem & Dean hating Nation Review, Jan 2004: http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200401120838.asp

But on Sunday night, at the minority-oriented debate sponsored by the Iowa Brown and Black Presidential Forum, Dean himself came in for a little educating. His teacher was the Rev. Al Sharpton, who came to Iowa ready to scold Dean for not showing up last Friday at a candidates' debate for the Washington, D.C. primary. absence gave Sharpton an opening.

Sharpton began, "You keep talking about talking about race. In the state of Vermont where you were governor '97, '99, 2001 not one black or brown held a senior policy position, not one. You yourself said we must do something about it. Nothing was done. Can you explain since now you want to convene everyone and talk about race, it seems as though you have discovered blacks and browns during this campaign."

The audience began to laugh and applaud, and Sharpton asked again: "How you can explain not one black or brown working for your administration as governor?"



Sharpton's final charge was, of course, a ludicrous and unfounded overstatement. Furthermore, the lack of "black or brown" minorities in Dean's top cabinet positions (a charge that was true) was almost certainly a reflection of the fact that Vermont's population is less than 2% black or brown. However, how was Dean supposed to answer this charge? He wasn't about to trumpet the fact that the only state he'd ever governed has basically zero diversity, so all he could do was back off and take the hit -- much like the Repukes are doing this week.

The only difference was that Dean was careful to phrase his statement in such a way that it couldn't be considered a "gotcha" low blow unless you contend that calling someone a "white Christian" is an insult. So even the Repukes and closet Repukes screaming "how could he say that?" look like imbeciles. How could he say what? The obvious and indisputable truth?

Dean poked the Repukes in one of their sorest spots. As our country becomes more and more diverse, Repukes look more and more the same. They use xenophobia, jingoism, bigotry and pastor pressure to keep a bunch of bamboozled poor white Christians voting for the economic benefit of huge corporations, defense contractors and the hyperweathy in general. And Repukes can't diversify their base without risking alienating the poor ignorant xenophobic nutcases they've cultivated by bashing gays, blacks, Muslims, immigrants and anybody else who doesn't mount a born again fish on the car.

But even irredeemable bigots don't like being called on their bigotry. And that's why Dean's newest little piece of corporate media jujitsu is so delicious. When the corporate media sharks circled him smelling blood, he tossed them what seemed like a few pounds of his flesh and, like clockwork, their ever predictable "gotcha gaffe" feeding frenzy ensued.

But this time it was Dean who did the getting, because he'd framed the "controversy" in such a way that his "charge" (otherwise known as the truth) simply couldn't be answered without making Republicans look like bigots -- and even further, like bigots who are so out of touch that they're actually proud of their bigotry.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 08:38 PM
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1. Check this visual aid out from
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 08:47 PM
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2. Like your quote
paraphrasing Mark Twain is a winner with me.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 08:59 PM
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3. Hell this is something for RepuKKKes to reach out to middle America with
Ironically, they'll be standing around pickup trucks with Rebel flag bumper stickers in a church parking lot while they condemn Dr. Dean for being racist against white Christians.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:06 PM
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5. The irony
cannot help but escape them.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:45 PM
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12. And a segregated church at that...
Interesting, churches appear to be the most segregated places in America- why is that? Ain't America grand?
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:53 PM
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21. You're onto something there--what attracts the GOP to the fundies
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 12:12 AM by AirAmFan
may be PRECISELY their lack of diversity. It's certainly not any kind of genuine religiosity among those hypocrites. A party that preaches HATE for and SCAPEGOATING of so many groups of people can only feel at home among groups that exclude all of "them". This situation is leading some TRUE Christians to go after the blatant racism within fundamentalist "Christian" churches, just as Martin Luther King did:

From http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/004/22.33.html :

"Christianity Today, April 2005
All Churches Should Be Multiracial: The biblical case.

...(Michael O.) Emerson teamed with fellow sociologists Karen Chai Kim and George Yancey and with theologian Curtiss Paul DeYoung to write a sequel, United by Faith: The Multiracial Congregation as an Answer to the Problem of Race (Oxford, 2003). The teamwho define a multiracial church as "a congregation in which no one racial group accounts for 80 percent or more of the membership"did an intensive, three-year study that included 2,500 phone interviews, written surveys taken by 500 congregations, and firsthand observations of churches in four diverse metropolitan areas."

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From "Remaining Awake through a Great Revolution", a sermon Martin Luther King delivered at the National Cathedral, Washington, D.C., on 31 March 1968; online at http://www.africanamericans.com/MLKJRAKnockatMidnight.htm

"I can see nothing more urgent than for America to work passionately and unrelentinglyto get rid of the disease of racism.

Something positive must be done. Everyone must share in the guilt as individuals and as institutions. The government must certainly share the guilt; individuals must share the guilt; even the church must share the guilt. We must face the sad fact that at eleven oclock on Sunday morning when we stand to sing 'In Christ there is no East or West,' we stand in the most segregated hour of America.

The hour has come for everybody, for all institutions of the public sector and the private sector to work to get rid of racism."
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:03 PM
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4. If You Think Dean Put The GOP On The Defensive You Are Mistaken
Let's see:

Mehlman-Jewish.
Justice Brown- AfroAmerican.


You give Dean WAY too much credit.

And if his clumsy statements were really 'strategy' then why the fuck didn't he let the REST of the Democratic Party in on it?

BTW, I consider myself a WHITE CHRISTIAN and I am NOT Republican.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:08 PM
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6. 53% of dems are white christian - 80something % republicans
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 09:09 PM by DireStrike
Of course you can choose the examples of exceptions, sellouts and oddities that they've elevated to show their "diversity". It's exactly what they do, and the reason such people are accepted in their party.

I hope you don't think Dean is doing anything wrong, though. This past election cycle should have shown everyone that nobody cares about negative campaigning or outrageous comments. We might as well stop pulling our punches if we want to win.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:17 PM
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8. See Post 7. The GOP Is Smart Enough To Nominate Blacks, Hispanics
etc. into prominent positions.

So you want to call them sellouts.

Doesn't change the fact they are there and happy to play whatever role they're told to.

And pastors in many black & hispanic churches would LOVE some of that Faith Based Initiative Money.

And same pastors and their flock aren't keen on gays or abortion either.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:25 PM
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9. ah yes many christians will turn judas for a price as you said:

"And pastors in many black & hispanic churches would LOVE some of that Faith Based Initiative Money." - now that is a core church value.

Msongs
www.msongs.com

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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:58 PM
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15. And Dean is smart enough to call then on their high profile quotas.
They've tried to astroturf their party's diversity for years, and it's been a long while since any Democratic leader has called them on it.

They lack representative diversity EVERYWHERE except when it comes to a few high profile appointments.

And the dirty secret is they can't open their doors to actual diversity without alienating millions of bamboozled bigots.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:23 PM
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11. You mean the DINOs who are afraid to say anything bad about Repukes
even if it's a simple, 100% verifiable statement of demographic reality?

I'm a white Christian and Dean's also a white Christian. So what's your point?


Here are two statements:

A. Republicans are pretty much white Christians.

B. White Christians are pretty much Republican.

Are these statements equivalent to you? Because statement A doesn't even imply statement B.


Consider these two statements

A. My closest neighboors are pretty much white Christians.

B. White Christians are pretty much my closest neighbors.

Get it? A <> B

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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:41 PM
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20. Irrelevant. He didn't say all or most white Christians were Republicans.
He said most Republicans were white Christians. And that is true, even if Mehlman is not a white CHristian.

There is a real difference between the two statements, and if basic logic were taught in our schools, everyone would be able to see that.

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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:11 PM
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7. You know, they can push back on this issue
Condi Rice, Colon Powell, Rod Page, Alberto Gonzalez? Even heard of these people? some of those radical judges were black. Admittedly I don't remember the Clinton cabinet all that well. I do remember Jocelyn Elders who is pretty much a joke whether deservedly or not but no one else comes to mind.

I'm not taking a side. I'm just saying they are not as defenseless as you want to believe on this issue.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:40 PM
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10. Clinton appointed minorities to the
judiciary also. He had more blacks in his administration than any other president. Some of his appointees: Mike Espy, Sec. of Agriculture,Hazel O'Leary, Energy Sec.,Ron Brown,Sec. of Commerce, Alexis Herman,Labor Sec.,Rodney Slater, Transportation Sec., Jocelyn Elders and David Sacher, Surgeon General, Susan Rice, Asst. Sec. of African Affairs. Clinton really believed in diversity.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:50 PM
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13. It doesn't change the cold hard facts that those folks are all tokens.
Furthermore, Repukes are using their own quotas when they appoint the likes of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

What percentage of self-identified Republicans are black or brown? I'm guessing the number is less than 5%. And, since the Repukes are afraid to address this issue, I'm betting that I'm right.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:03 PM
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16. they addressing it by lying...what a surprise!!!!
they claim, with the help of the media, that they have more support from people of color than they actually do. their response to a simple demographic truth, as with any truth, is obfuscation or outright denial....with the support of some of the supposed opposition. this is the simple truth of the matter, a truth some of the supposed opposition still fail to comprehend.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:57 PM
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14. yes, they are
all their tokens are an anathema to the interests of the majority of the people in the sub-cultures they represent.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:04 PM
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17. Where it counts
is in the politics. Do they do ANYTHING to help the minority races in this country? Anything at all? Name one thing that George Bush has done for minority groups. Sure Bush can appoint people of different race all he wants but it doesn't mean shit. Watch sometime an RNC convention and then watch a DNC convention. Anybody with two eyes and a brain can see the difference and the truth.
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Jersey Ginny Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:22 PM
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19. It puts the Repukes on the defensive
They have to RESPOND and DEFEND the diversity of their party. They have to say that Diversity is GOOD also. Then they have to defend the policies. Dean has allowed the Dems to lead the discussion. It is no longer "are liberals really elitists?" It's now "are Republicans really mostly white christians and therefore out of touch with most americans?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:05 PM
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18. Not a damn soul! Dean can THINK for himself!
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