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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:08 PM
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Kerry statement on the DSM? Or, another instance of Kerry bullsh*t.
Well, it's THURSDAY evening now and as far as I know Kerry has NOT made the statement on the Senate floor that he hinted at weeks ago and even suggested would happen early this week. So, what's the problem? HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO WRITE A BRIEF 15-MINUTE STATEMENT?

Hey, Kerry! It's not smart to hint or promise something important to the Democratic base (and our country in general) and then fail to deliver. But, then I guess some things are more important than calling a sitting President out for behavior approaching an impeachable offense...

I guess I wouldn't be a Democrat if I wasn't perpetually disappointed with our elected party leaders.

JB
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:11 PM
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1. Does seem odd. Maybe waiting for Michael Jackson trial to end?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:19 PM
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2. Well, aren't we STILL waiting for all the votes to be counted?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:28 PM
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5. Talk to the Republicans in Ohio
I think we're STILL waiting for them to grant a date for the K/E lawsuit that is still pending there.
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Tamyrlin79 Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:20 PM
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3. Well, just last week, really.
but it is an understandable mistake because it does seem much longer in Blogosphere Time. :-)



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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:26 PM
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4. Weeks ago? A week ago was the FIRST time he mentioned it
over the Memorial Day weekend.

Don't fall for the Right Wing spin.

He said he would address it when he got into town. He didn't say how. His staff said that he would indeed be making a statement on the floor. Didn't say when.

His staff emailed the progressive Boston newspaper, The Phoenix, to confirm that he would indeed be demanding answers about the DSM, and to stay tuned.

Think of it this way. You're out of town. Someone asks you when you're going to cut your grass. You tell them you'll deal with it when you get back. Does that mean that the minute you get back, you're out there cutting the grass. No, it means that some time after you get back you will be dealing with your grass "issues".

We jumped on Kerry's words like we were starving to death, not realizing that he never said he was going to give a floor speech on Monday. He will be addressing the memo.

Have you looked at the Senate schedule this week? It is chock full to the brim with judge nominations. What kind of a bizarre thing would it be to march down to the floor and give a speech on DSM right in the middle of the debate on Brown.

I wonder if Frist is doing this on purpose. Nah, he's just hot to test how far the Gang of 14's deal will stretch. He probably could give a shit what Kerry wants to do. But he sure is packing the Senate schedule with nominee after nominee after nominee.

One little comment in a little out of town newspaper, and everyone goes apeshit. I'm also wondering if the whole thing caught him by surprise.

Regardless, I'm waiting and seeing. Not disappointed yet. What I did love was the way the mere suggesting that he MIGHT discuss it sent the Repubs scrambling to twist what he was talking about into a call for impeachment, which he never said. And the DSM has gotten more media attention as well. That is a good thing.
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:32 PM
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8. Fine and dandy, but I'm not holding my breath.
If it were a priority, he would have made the statement by now. Frankly, I think he's waiting for more colleagues to come out about the DSM to provide political cover for any statement he makes in the Senate. Sorry, I don't want to think this way about him, but I can only go by recent prior behavior which suggests that he's slow as molasses and overly calculating.

JB
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:28 PM
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6. On a positive note...
The press did sit up and take notice when someone said Kerry was gonna make a speech.

In the long run, if the press can climb up out of the hole they are hiding in and present the facts to the sheeple, that one simple action would amount to a hundred or more Kerry speeches, eh?

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In all fairness, if you have a link to the Kerry wherein he says he's gonna do the speech, I'd like to see it. All I have seen is he said she said he said he was gonna say.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:32 PM
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7. It's always the people with the Malcolm X avatar that do this kinda junk.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:35 PM
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:38 PM
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11. There has been four statements already.
You are mistaken. That's why I think this whole thing is funny. He made a statement from the floor of the Senate and on three other occasions since Monday.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:51 PM
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13. Wait a minute... a floor statement?
What where when?
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:54 PM
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14. Yeah, where's the transcript of the floor statement you say he's made?
Who's willing to lay odds that a Senate floor statement isn't going to happen next week either?

JB
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:57 PM
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16. I can almost guarantee it's going to happen next week.
Not on Friday, because everyone knows Friday stuff gets buried. But Kerry will see your message tonight and know he's gotta get on the scene and act soon, so it'll be Monday. Matter fact he hasn't broken his promise. When he said Monday, he meant next Monday.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:55 PM
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15. I was just messing with him.
Always fun to ratchet up someone who's just told you to "fuck off".
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:22 PM
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23. Oh okay. No worries. I thought I fell out of the loop or something
I'm still plugged in. Oh good.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:36 PM
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10. Senate floor was scheduled this week with the judicial nominations.
Edited on Thu Jun-09-05 10:42 PM by blm
Kerry said last week that he'll raise the issue in DC and attacked the media for their silence on it.

Since then, the media is actually showing some signs of allowing the story to be heard and other Senators are discussing it, now.

Kerry will make a more detailed statement. I hope it's when the nation is paying greater attention.

YOU can go ahead and heap insults at the one man who has investigated and exposed more government corruption than any lawmaker in modern history - I will continue to respect him and stand with him.

In the meantime, this statement was made on Tuesday....mainstream media didn't cover it.

HE SMOKING GUN?
Kerry, Bush, and the Downing Street memo
BY DAN KENNEDY

<snip>

In a statement e-mailed to the Phoenix on Tuesday, Kerry spokesman Setti Warren said, "Senator Kerry believes every American deserves a thorough explanation of the Downing Street memo. The Administration and the Washington Republicans who control Congress insult Americans by refusing to answer even the most basic questions raised in this memo about pre-war intelligence and planning for the aftermath of war. That’s unacceptable, especially with the lives of America’s sons and daughters on the line. John Kerry will demand answers in the Senate. Stay tuned."
>>>>>>
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:49 PM
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24. Guess you don't approve of Kerry's statement.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 10:51 PM
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12. First, Kerry doesn't utter bulls*t
Second, he did release a statement on this issue in a MA paper on Wednesday. A floor speech is still possible. However, he doesn't set the schedule- Frist does. What do you want him to do just blurt it out like an idiot? It would have to be presented at an appropriate moment. There is such a thing as protocol in the Senate. As far as impeachment, Kerry would not be able to call for that, It has to originate in the House. That is the way our government works.
lastly, I was under the impression that all the votes were counted. All that the Ohio legal system would allow to be counted anyway.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:01 PM
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17. Protocol?
Uh this guy got the second most votes of any man ever for the office of President Of The United States. You'd think he could call a press conference. Write a letter, make a statement, DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING! It doesn't need to be on the Senate floor. The only way the DSM thing will die is if the Dems let it die. I noticed "Protocol" hasn't stopped Conyers.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:02 PM
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19. Well, you're the expert.
Contact his office by phone first thing tommorow. Let them know who you are, and they'll put you right through to him.
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:15 PM
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20. Satire is the refuge of a spineless cynic.
Apparently, you think our frustration with Kerry over telegraphing that he's going to make an "important" DSM statement and then apparently failing to deliver on that promise is worthy of your derision, but not of any substantive response.

I'm not under any delusion that I have a direct line to Kerry or can expect preferential treatment, but I CAN VOTE and voice my displeasure to others WHO VOTE. Kerry is an elected official, not some Democratic demi-god deviod of error or political miscalculation.

JB
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:17 PM
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21. No it's not!
"Fuck off" is!
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:02 PM
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18. Waiting for an "appropriate moment" is such a bullshit copout.
The DSM will NOT stay fresh in the media forever. Without CONCERTED, CONTINOUS, AND LOUD statements by our Dem leaders this story WILL fade away.

Why is it that the Dems can't learn from how the Repukes manipulated the media and message prior to the Clinton impeachment try??? Did the Repukes carefully "wait for the appropriate moment" to make a statement about Clinton? Hell, no. They HAMMERED Clinton and made a manta out of their message, which was repeated over-and-over in the media.

JB
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:19 PM
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22. Maybe he's waiting for the Jackson verdict to unload.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:56 PM
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25. Yawn
:boring:
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