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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:18 AM
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Whee, I'm A Democrat! I just don't vote like one. TS, I'm in the club now!
Yesterday the Senate approved William H. Pryor Jr.'s nomination to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Bush had gifted Pryor with a recess appointment to the court last year. Pryor was one of the 10 appeals court nominees that Democrats had managed to stall. But that all ended with that baffling deal that they were cowed into agreeing to because of the threat by republican leader Frist to force a vote to end the use of the filibuster with regard to judicial nominees.

Two other blocked nominees, Priscilla Owen and Janice Rogers Brown, have slunk into their appointed judgeships on the breeze that is flowing through the open door that our hapless minority abandoned with their votes on the filibuster 'compromise'. That vote amounted to nothing more than a cave-in to Frist's constitution thuggery. Now we have three more enemies of democracy, justice, and the constitution whose advancements to these high courts is another in a long line of victories for these corporatist republican legislators, and another in a long line of stunning defeats and appeasements in this Congress by the outnumbered Democrats.

All of these 10 blocked nominees are appalling in their disregard for basic civil rights, established law, and due process, but I think William H. Pryor Jr. is the largest curd in the conservative's cheese. As I watch his advancement, I'm left to wonder just where our party will stand in the way of Bush's conservative cabal's crusade to destroy our democracy. Pryor has more than enough outrageous baggage to keep him off of a local school board, but apparently that's not enough for some Democrats to oppose him, certainly not enough for our party to keep their places in the door, blocking his advancement.

One of those 'Democrats' who let Pryor pass was Bush's buddy, "Benny" Sen. Ben Nelson. He used to call him Nellie until the Senator asked him to stop. He's one of a handful of Senators who voted for the torture general, Gonzales.

Not surprisingly Nelson is one of a gang of kiss-ass democrats will give cover for Bush's assault on Social Security. Forty-three of the 44 Democrat senators however, plus Independent Sen. Jim Jeffords of Vermont, signed a letter to the president saying it was "immoral" to borrow more money to pay for the plan. Nelson of Nebraska was the only Democrat who refused to sign the letter.

Nelson has a history of siding with Bush at times when it visibly stung his own party. During Bush's previous efforts to have the controversial nominee, Pryor, appointed to the 11th U.S. District Court of Appeals, only two Democrats broke ranks to vote for him. They were Sens. Zell Miller of Georgia and Ben Nelson of Nebraska.

Pryor had spoken out against the recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling that overturned a Texas law penalizing gay sex acts between consenting adults. In a brief filed with the high court on behalf of Alabama, Pryor compared homosexuality to "prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography and even incest and pedophilia."

During the presidential campaign Karl Rove had been talking to Sen. Nelson about joining the Bush administration as Agriculture Secretary. When pressed as to whether he would consider the job if Bush offered it, Nelson said: “Any time the President talks, you listen."

Nelson apparently is more inclined to favor the the President than he does the leader of his own party. When Sen. Harry Reid was picked Nelson commented, "“When the conservative talk show hosts start saying bad things about Harry Reid,” Nelson said,” it will be like attacking Mr. Rogers.”

Nelson is just one more of those kiss-ass moderates who's enabling these republican, war-loving, Social Security killing corporatists. The sooner we can find some Democrat to replace him, the better. I know we need the guy on whatever vote he will make to keep his Dem sheep clothing on, but with the balance already hopelessly skewed against us in the Senate, I think we would not miss his bend-over politics.

Another Democrat, Sen. Ken Salazar of Colorado, also voted for Pryor. He and Nelson were directly involved, as well, in the filibuster 'compromise'. He's another question mark, looking to establish some conservative credentials like Nelson. He did vote to oppose Pricilla Owen's nomination, but I'm left to wonder how determinative these minority votes are with the deck stacked against our party. These minority votes could just be posturing or positioning rather than a true effort to change the outcome. That's why the use filibuster is so important for the minority party. It may be the only lever available to stave off a republican engineered disaster. It is their civilized form of civil disobedience.

There's a great deal of talk coming from the leaders and members of our Democratic party. Good talk, important rhetoric, but little in the way of an effective opposition. I don't mean to suggest that our goals, or our mission is flawed, but our strategy to date hasn't been effective at all in halting the momentum of the ruling oligarchy. The Iraq war, for example, rages on, opposed by an increasing number of Americans, but aided by a compliant Congress at appropriations time.

If ever there was a time for a Jimmy Stewart moment, this is it. Someone on Capitol Hill, with their fine, eloquent words of opposition needs to come down off of their white horse and bar the door. Someone who would call themselves a Democrat. Someone who has no interest in clubbing around with the cadre of the privileged few who would lord over their wealth in the offices of our government, that two-percent confederation of corporate interests who routinely divide the fruits of our labor for their own benefit and purpose.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:21 AM
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1. We NEED said "kiss ass moderate".
Without said "kiss ass moderate", we don't get a Democratic Senator from Nebraska. And without a Democratic Senator from Nebraska, that's one more seat we'd need to win somewhere else to get the majority back.

Think before you speak.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:27 AM
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3. They have a very active Young Democrats organization in Nebraska
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 09:30 AM by bigtree
I think they need to get busy finding a candidate to oppose him in the next primary. I don't think we will gain anything by appealing to conservatives. The new moderate is nothing more than a right wing tool as the landscape has shifted with the republican domination of the three branches. We need a direct opposition, not some kiss ass compromise that is more concerned with some political viability than with an active, vital defense of basic perogatives of liberty and democracy that are under attack by the republican majority.

Here's a good place to start:

Nebraska Young Democrats-
http://www.nebraskayoungdemocrats.org/

The Nebraska Young Democrats is the youth caucus of the Nebraska Democratic Party, and is chartered with the Young Democrats of America. Membership is open to Nebraska Democrats under the age of 36.

Their mission is to reach out to youth and empower them to be active members of the Democratic Party.

If you would like to join, sign up on their website, and they'll contact you. http://www.nebraskayoungdemocrats.org/join.htm
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:32 AM
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4. I'm not a Nebraskan.
And there is nothing about the state that indicates to me that we could get a true liberal in a state-wide office in Nebraska. It's as conservative a place as there exists this side of Utah.
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:43 AM
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7. I really dislike Utah...and think it's a Conservative Hellbed...but
having escaped from there a decade ago I have to say...as extreme as it is, it's also, in many respects one of the last places that's actually CONSERVATIVE rather than neoconservative.

Doesn't mean I agree with it...but when I judge the threats comeing from RW centers...I don't judge Utah on the same scale as places like OK and TX. Those have become Neocon launchpads...Utah actually seems to be truly conservative enough to have some issues with the neocons (see No Child Left Behind).

Doesn't mean I'd suggest anyone from DU live there...unless you have enough money to insulate yourself in Park City, and absolutely love skiing.

Still, I think it's still valuable to draw such distinctions...because our opposition does have divisions in it.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:45 AM
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9. I think you're absolutely right to make such distinctions.
More importantly than Utah is Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, Montana, and the Dakotas. Those are more true conservative regions that have vast potential for our party if we just cater our message (while not changing our core principles) to those areas. I don't think we could ever get Utah, but we can get enough of those Southwestern/Midwestern states to make a supermajority.
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:48 AM
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10. I'm not sure how we can appeal to them...because...
there isn't much that I see us compromising with conservatives on in a healthy way that would still preserve our core values...HOWEVER...there are some things. Moreover there are some issues that can (and will regardless) simply wait.

ANd the most powerful thought here...the Neocons are such a threat to both Liberals and traditional conservatives that we need to join against THEM regardless of OUR differences.

Common Enemy and all. Put our differences on hold while we kick their ass.

Then we can go back to figuring out how to kick the snot out of each other.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:53 AM
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13. We don't have to compromise anything.
We can pitch issues we're not strong on in these states as being states' rights concerns - a big true conservative issue. We can pitch fiscal responsibility and a balanced budget, which is no compromise at all for us. It's all about catering the MESSAGE, not the policy.
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:08 AM
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14. well said
nt
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:44 AM
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8. What is the logic behind the view that we need a conservative to appeal
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 09:45 AM by bigtree
to voters in these red states? It's like we are saying that our argument is not strong enough to carry the day. That's not leadership, that's appeasement, especially when you are dealing with issues that address core rights and values. This middle of the road approach that folks advocate is a recipe for appeasement with this republican crowd. Voters are more apt to follow someone with conviction. In recent history, the political life has not been great for these Democratic 'moderates'. Unrepentant liberals have enjoyed lasting support. I don't understand the calculation that has us compromising on our basic values to appeal to folks who would never support us anyway. We need to broaden our base of support, but not with conservatives. We need to encourage more liberals and like-minded to show up at the polls. They need a reason. We need to present them with a determined opposition to republican meddling to rally them to the polls.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:51 AM
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12. For our official, national party policy? You're absolutely right.
But here are some figures for you:

32.7
33
35
29.4
39

Those are the percentages that Democratic Presidential candidates have gotten in Nebraska since 1988. There is NOTHING to indicate we have the potential to put a true liberal into office in Nebraska.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:18 AM
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15. Ya never know
Seriously. A leader can influence, transform a nation. Nelson's definitely not that man. Not worth protecting, preserving. Time to look elsewhere.

INTO the blue river hills
The red sun runners go
And the long sand changes
And to-day is a goner
And to-day is not worth haggling over.

Here in Omaha
The gloaming is bitter
As in Chicago
Or Kenosha.

The long sand changes.
To-day is a goner.
Time knocks in another brass nail.
Another yellow plunger shoots the dark.

Constellations
Wheeling over Omaha
As in Chicago
Or Kenosha.

The long sand is gone
and all the talk is stars.
They circle in a dome over Nebraska.

Carl Sandburg- Cornhuskers
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:32 AM
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16. I have no problem with supporting a primary challenger.
But keeping the seat should be priority #1. It's the Nelsons and Landrieus that let the Boxers and Kennedys have power again.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:38 AM
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17. I agree that a dead dog would be better than any republican challenger
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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:21 AM
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2. Of course, judges like Pryor aren't "activists" though, right?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:34 AM
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5. These blocked ones are the bottom of the barrel
We held them back for years. I'll bet none of them really expected that Democrats would be knuckled under and they would breeze through on a simple majority vote.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:38 AM
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6. I'd like to know more about what these jokers said during the negotiation.
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 09:38 AM by BurtWorm
"We'll give you Owen, Pryor, Brown. We'll give you the Patriot Act. We'll give you Bolton. We'll give you an energy bill, a tax relief bill, and use of the filibuster, to be reserved only in case of actual nuclear atttack on the US by aliens from other galaxies."

"Thanks. You don't want anything do you?"

"We just want you to like us."

"Whatever."
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:51 AM
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11. They're in the club now
It's no longer about saving the world, as they may have thought of their efforts in their headier days of campaigning, it's now a narrow political calculation that intends to do whatever it takes to preserve their position of privilege.

And they will be defeated if they continue to appease the republican nonsense machine.
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