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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:41 PM
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Dean Was Right
"I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth."

- Revelation 3:15-16

If the leadership qualities of those in charge of the national Democratic Party could be squeezed into a shampoo bottle, the directions on the back of the bottle might read something like this: “Make tentative statement. Offer equivocation to avoid appearing adamant. Scramble for cover when colleague offers stinging critique of opposition. Stab colleague in back in public. Palpitate and fret, hem and haw. Lather, rinse, repeat.”

Quite a recipe for success, yes? Not lately.

For the last several years, the Democratic Party has been, for the most part, leaving skid marks on the street as they have retreated from confrontation after confrontation with the radicals who now control the Republican party. This retreat has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime to the utterly outrageous.

Here and there resistance has been put forth – on the Social Security issue, on the stem cell legislation, on the nomination of Bolton as UN ambassador – but all too often the most effective resistance to these and other disastrous policy initiatives has come from other Republicans, and not from the Democrats. It was the eloquence of Republican Senator Voinovich that threw sand in the gears of the Bolton nomination, and it was Republican Senator Specter’s promised override of any Bush veto of the stem cell legislation that has made that issue a problem for the White House.

And then along comes Howard Dean, chairman of the DNC, outspoken and uncompromising, swinging Willie Stark’s meat ax with a will and a purpose. He dared to say that he hates Republicans, that the leadership of that party hasn’t worked a day in their lives, that the GOP has become a radical hothouse of right-wing Christians, almost all of whom are white, and that House majority leader Tom DeLay should go back to Texas and get his looming prison sentence over with.

Insert palpitations. Suddenly, Democrats like Joe Biden and Bill Richardson start knocking over furniture and old ladies in their rush to get to a microphone so they can distance themselves from the wild man. Senate minority leader Reid offered the following tepid statement: “As all of you know, that there isn't a single person, whether it's any of us in this room or Governor Dean or (RNC chairman Ken) Mehlman, that haven't misspoken.” Translation: Anyone who speaks hard truths in public must have misspoken, because we can’t upset the majority. That would be too…edgy.

Yes, yes, lather and rinse and repeat. The problem with all the equivocation is that it obscures a simple fact that requires exposure and discussion in this country: Dean was right. Ninety nine percent of Republicans in the state legislatures in all 50 states, and in Congress in Washington DC, are white. Even in states and districts with large minority populations, the Republican representatives for those places are almost uniformly white Christians.

Of 3,643 Republicans serving in state legislatures across the country, only 44 of them are minorities, amounting to 1.2%. Texas, with a minority population of 47%, has 106 Republicans in the state legislature. There are exactly zero African Americans and exactly zero Hispanics serving in that body. In Washington, 274 of the 535 elected Senators and Representatives are Republican. Exactly five are minorities.

Of course, there are ethnic and religious minorities within the rank and file of the GOP, but every demographic analysis of the party’s makeup clearly shows the vast majority of Republicans fit exactly into the description offered by Mr. Dean. His point, by the way, was not that white Christians are bad people. His point was that, in this pluralist society made up of so much diversity, the Republican Party does not represent the true face of this country. He was also pointing out that the GOP has been taken over by that small, radical minority of white Christians who believe separation of church and state is evil, and who believe Biblical law is a better tool of governance than that pesky Constitution.

As for hating Republicans, the employment record of the GOP leadership and DeLay’s date with a Houston cellblock, there is method to the supposed madness here. Those who question the wisdom of Dean firing broadsides like this look to the old lawyer’s maxim: When you have the law on your side, pound on the law, and when you have the facts on your side, pound on the facts, and when you have neither the law nor the facts on your side, pound on the table. On so many issues facing us today, Dean and the Democrats have both the facts and the law on their side. The question becomes, then, about why Dean is pounding on the table.

The answer is straightforward, and appropriately bold after several years of ineffective limp-noodle Democratic leadership. Every time Dean fires off one of his salvos, reporters flip open their notebooks. Headlines get made, discussion begins, and a whole lot of people start debating the facts and merits of his statements. Is the Republican leadership run by right-wing yahoos? Is DeLay going to jail? Controversy begets press. Dean can see, as well as anyone else, how effective the moderate, soft-touch, treading-lightly approach has been working lately for the Democrats.

But how are we going to win those white Christian middle-America voters to our side by having Dean basically call them out? asks the ruffled Democratic leadership. The answer to this lies at the heart of what the Democratic party has been failing at for a while now. The voters who are supposedly going to be alienated by this kind of talk are the very same voters who look for guts, strength and straight talk from the leadership of this country. All too often, Democratic leaders come off sounding like they are saying seven things at once, leaving the impression that their spines are somewhat slippery. Boldness, on the other hand, begets confidence, even in disagreement.

These Dean statements also, coincidentally, whip the Democratic base into a roaring frenzy as they hear an actual Democratic leader speak their beliefs out loud and in public. One of the things Dean is working on every day is to redirect DNC fundraising away from the big-dollar donors who give equally to both parties in order to hedge their bets. Dependence on this breed of donor causes the party to crab towards the middle and avoid anything resembling true opposition.

Dean wants DNC fundraising efforts to be focused on the common citizen, the Democratic activist who has been screaming at the party to say what must be said, and Dean’s inflammatory statements spark the kind of donation avalanche that turned his Presidential campaign into a financial juggernaut. He may have lost in the end, but the manner in which he raised campaign money changed the face of electoral politics. He is porting those lessons into national DNC fundraising efforts, and statements like these go a long way towards making those efforts wildly successful.

Memo to Dean: Keep doing what you are doing. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:44 PM
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1. RADICALS
APPLAUSE :toast:

peace
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:46 PM
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You GOOO, boyfriend!
Tell 'em the TRUTH. :bounce:
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:46 PM
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2. Thank you.
Howard is kinda out there all alone right now with the shit flying....except for his grass roots base, I would venture a couple of million people.

I'm glad you are using your pen, which is very powerful, to give him a boost.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:46 PM
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3. Wow, great post.
I love the part about the shampoo bottle.

When the simple act of speaking truth about the opposing party becomes a moment for heart palpitations, you've basicly surrendered the field.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:47 PM
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4. Thanks
And "Memo to Dean: Keep doing what you are doing. Lather, rinse, repeat".

:patriot:
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:48 PM
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5. Correction to your statement on the Texas legislature...
there are no Republican African-American or Hispanics serving there. There are plenty of minority Democrats...might want to clarify what you meant.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:49 PM
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6. Fixed, thanks
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:52 PM
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8. Cool
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 04:54 PM by VelmaD
I failed to mention that I really liked this one. Helped raise my comfort level about the whole Dean kerfluffle. I gotta say...sometimes I don't agree with what he does but damnit if he isn't the most entertaining person to hold his post in a long long time. :)

BTW, your opening quote is probably my momma's favorite bible verse. Says a lot about her. :)
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:52 PM
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7. One correction:
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 04:52 PM by Carolab
"that the leadership of that party hasn’t worked a day in their lives"

He actually said A LOT of them haven't worked an HONEST day in their lives...and I think it's imperative to quote him correctly.

Also, you might help to explain this one--the obvious corruption and financial skullduggery of DeLay, et al--plus the grubbing after billions of unaccounted-for taxpayer dollars in no-bid contracts, payoffs, etc. PLUS the statements made about "poor Democrats" being shiftless, lazy loafers who do not think they can "make it on their own".
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:56 PM
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9. great.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:56 PM
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10. Beautifully said, Pitt. Rec'd. nt
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:56 PM
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11. In as much I really respect him for speaking his truth
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 04:58 PM by stellanoir
and what is really and truly the truth, at least as it is in my world, since he got roasted last year for merely expressing totally geniune enthusiasm you'd think he might consider choosing his words slightly more artfully.

Like, "this is a land of diversity that warrants equal representation," as opposed to trashing the presumed and obviously limited and totally simplistically reactionary theocracy.

Don't get me wrong. I've got tremedous respect for him and his passions and I'm very cognizant of the fact that his job is hardly very easy at all.

My only complaint is that I, like many wish he would address the issue of election reform relentlessly, 'cause otherwise we may just be doomed to eternal losses under curious and questionable circumstances.

I know I'm not the only one who's had the impulse to no longer contribute to any poltical party until we have this reform.

Otherwise, all we have is taxation without representation. . .redux. Ughhhhhh. I hate it when that happens.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 04:58 PM
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12. Great article. CC to all the dems in Congress "try it, you'll like it!"
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:06 PM
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13. great analysis! n/t
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:07 PM
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14. I agree with you now
and I agreed with you back when we backed down on judges vote!Make them use the nuclear option.You make them look like extremists.Dean is the only MAN in the party.Well there area couple of others,but their name isn't Biden,Reid or Pelosi!
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:07 PM
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15. Your 'Handlesake' would be proud. Go baby!
Great article. Mind if I email it out to my online friends?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:14 PM
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18. Wait a bit
This will be a truthout link by tomorrow. I will post it when ready. There may be revisions between then and now, so hold off. Many thanks.
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:22 AM
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70. Cool. Will do. nt
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 12:28 PM
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73. See post #67 below
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:08 PM
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16. Thank you.
You say it so much better.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:09 PM
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17. Que bueno!
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:14 PM
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19. Great point Kicked and nominated
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:21 PM
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20. BRAVO Will
:applause:
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:22 PM
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21. Hey Sunshine...
wanta threadjack? :) Hope you're feeling well today.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:23 PM
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22. Dean Was Too Stupid To Distinguish Between Extremist Christians &
those of us who pratice what Christ actually taught.

So instead of calling every shot Dean makes golden, how about being honest?

You can admire Tiger Woods and support him without being labelled a 'basher' when pointing out his weak spots in a game.

And instead of buying into the mediawhore spin that the Democrats are "piling" on and "attacking" how about assessing the situation realistically and acknowledging they have a right to disagree with Dean's idiotic comment.

BTW, several of the Democrats included PRAISE of Dean along with their comments.

Too fucking bad you take the mediawhores' lead and ignore the praise.

Dean made numerous gaffes and stupid comments in the primaries so this is nothing new for him.

What's different is the media no longer ignores his dumbass commments. I can remember when DU'ers tried to get the Deaniacs to actually acknowledge Dean's mistakes and they'd actually say Dean had TEFLON.

Just like an overly permissive parent "not MY little Dean, he never does ANYTHING wrong."

And my post has nothing to do with MY attacking Dean, or wanting him to 'tone it down' or stop confronting the GOP.

It has everything to do with Dean's recurrent habit of making half baked statements that need to be "interpreted" as DU'ers fall all over themselves telling American what Howard Dean REALLY meant.

And there's the NONSENSE that Dean has some super secret strategy making dumbass comments. But apparently, according to this logic, the great strategist forgot to clue in the rest of the Democratic Party.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:33 PM
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26. Oh, And You Forgot To Add Russ Feingold To Your List Of Wimpy Democrats
'distancing' themselves from Dean.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:39 PM
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28. Would Christ have called Dean Stupid?
and said he makes dumbass statements?

Just curious
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:55 PM
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47. You're ignoring simple logic. Get a grip.
Republicans are mostly Christians doesn't means all Christians are Republican.

And it's not Dean's job to say who follows Christ's teachings or not. He's a politician, not a preacher.

If you want political figures who talk theology you're looking at the wrong party.
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 08:25 PM
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52. those who practice what Christ taught will know who Dean was talking about
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 09:03 PM by FizzFuzz
and those who practice what Christ taught may or may not be Christian, if I may remark in passing that Christians don't hold all the moral reins.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 08:25 PM
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53. wawawa....debbie downer
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:17 PM
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56. go pitt!
if your on cs's shit list you know you must be doing something right.

:thumbsup:

excellent column. hope dr. dean reads it.

:loveya:
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 11:05 AM
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72. Just what I've come to expect from you.
Giving aid and comfort to - the REPUKES and other critics of the Democratic Party.

Right on schedule, too, I might ad.

Sad, really.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:24 PM
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23. All true! Time to switch to FIGHT mode.
The party of decency simply doesn't work against tyrants. We have to stand up and fight with every ounce of our strength and courage.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:29 PM
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24. One Point I'd make though
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 05:31 PM by Gore1FL
The GOP is the party of white pharisees.

The Dean remark could offend good white Christians, of which there are many.

The Delays, Frists, Falwells, and Bushes of this world are Pharisees.

On Edit: BTW I'm not really back to posting --- still have a bunch of things higher on the agenda, but was in the neighborhood -- hope all of my old friends are doing well, and someday I'll be active agina and make a few more...

Until then!
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:35 PM
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43. Being white and Christian
I could not be happier with what Dean is doing. It is way past time someone got about it.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:11 PM
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64. Dean has been using that word "Pharisees"
And I think Christian in print should always be used in "parenthesis", when discussing white republicans.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:30 PM
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25. Of course Dean was right!
Jesus... the business of "politics as usual" was usurped long ago BY THE REPUGS THEMSELVES! I, for one, have NO DESIRE to try to work with repugs and their ilk, since they've shown they have NO DESIRE to compromise on ANYTHING! It's war, and THEY DECLARED it, not me! I'm ready to play by THEIR RULES - which is COMPLETE AND TOTAL ANNIHILATION of the opposition. Bring it ON, FUCKTARDS!!!!

Governor Dean speaks for me!:thumbsup:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:35 PM
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27. sublime should be dabbed behind my ears, not used in that sentence.....
unless you're saying the retreat was at times wonderful.
besides, the piece is already a bit toiletry heavy, even for me.

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La Coliniere Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 05:42 PM
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29. Right on Brother!
Shedding some common sense and thoughtful insight as usual, Mr. Pitt.

I've always agreed with telling the truth and a hard line, pugnacious approach to fighting the repugs. I like Howard's style. Kowtowing and apologizing has been a losing strategy for sooooo long. When will Dems wake up to this?
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 06:01 PM
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30. Well, what to think of this?
Quote:

"And then along comes Howard Dean, chairman of the DNC, outspoken and uncompromising..."

End quote.

What happened to the need to "compromise" during cloture on those appellate nominations Bu$h just forced down our throats, with our own Dino's helping? And any on the left refusing to compromise, well they are "leftist radicals". Was that the term, or was it left extremists?

Oh, I remember, the big bad Republicans threatened the Democrats with the....NUCLEAR OPTION.

How much damage you think those judges will do to progressive causes during their career? Lets see, one was in Texas, hmmm, I see an aquittal coming Enron's way.

Quoting scripture too. Strange. A 'moment of clarity' maybe?

It is now fashionable to be "uncompromising".

I'll keep that in mind.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:12 PM
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37. I interpreted that quote to mean that Howard Dean himself
is outspoken and uncompromising.

I'm interpreting your post as a reference to recent activity in the Senate. Gov. Dean would not have had a vote on the nuclear option or a choice on whether to compromise.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 06:07 PM
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31. Your "other post" got a kick....and I did you a favor
saying you had "recanted" your doctrine....

I don't ask for thanks...but I did try to "clarify" the matter for you.

... to allow that you have the "wisdom" to see when you have "erred." (did I spell that correctly? what the hell)

Glad to see you "clarify."

:-)'s to you...:evilgrin:
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klebean Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 06:08 PM
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32. most salient aspect
here:
"But how are we going to win those white Christian middle-America voters to our side by having Dean basically call them out? asks the ruffled Democratic leadership. The answer to this lies at the heart of what the Democratic party has been failing at for a while now. The voters who are supposedly going to be alienated by this kind of talk are the very same voters who look for guts, strength and straight talk from the leadership of this country. All too often, Democratic leaders come off sounding like they are saying seven things at once, leaving the impression that their spines are somewhat slippery. Boldness, on the other hand, begets confidence, even in disagreement."

Had the dems (Kerry) done the above, i.e., bold, gutsy, straight talk, my right wing
leaning extended family - wavering and unhappy w/Bush - would have voted Kerry.
No doubt in my mind.

Yesterday, a DUer poster (Nancy Waterman) posted an excellent letter to Reid about how to use Dean's rhetoric for staying on message.
Today's LATimes had me fuming.
It quoted a political scientist with regard to Dean's comments: "So instead of talking about their best issues, they're talking about their loose cannon. He's throwing them off message."

No. Dean. is. not. Dems are not being disciplined! and merely reacting.
As Nancy said, he is giving dems ample opportunity to stay on message with the very issues his comments address. In her own words:

"You must stay on message, stay with the issues he has brought up. Dean is essentially giving you the microphone, the ear of the public, by making news. It is a wonderful opportunity if you all work together."

Perhaps you might want to also give a memo to Dean's critics, that while in their rush to get to a microphone they might take a few deep breaths, muster some discipline and courage, and employ their supposedly brilliant minds.

IOWs, shame the bastards.

here's the link to her letter if you haven't seen it.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1843523
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 06:09 PM
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33. one of my favorites of yours so far!!
:yourock: :hi:
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 06:09 PM
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34. Dean has brought out the best in DU lately.
I have seen some of the most well articulated, well-put, passionate, and superb posts in the last few days on this subject as I have ever seen here.

This discussion cannot be over-emphasized. It can not be repeated enough. It cannot be laid to rest until the point finally and clearly gets through the thick skulls of the Democratic party leaders.

Nominated.

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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 06:13 PM
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35. Thank You, Will.
Although I was not a Deanic, I sure am now. This man has my full support.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:09 PM
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36. How can Dean be the man when you're the man? (nt)
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:19 PM
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38. Hooray Will!
Great post!
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:24 PM
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39. Excellent article.
"Keep doing what you are doing."
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:25 PM
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40. the republicans can spout off junk on a regular basis--dean says some
things below the outrageous comments they make on a regular basis and they crucify him.

It's just like election 2000, bush could say anything he wanted to,, but as soon as gore would respond with ONE thing similer they would jump all over him.

It's media bias, period.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:26 PM
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41. Rock on Howard--screw all of them n/t
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:33 PM
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42. Thank you.
Well said. This is the lesson the good Governor has been trying to teach us for about 3 years now.

I wish we had gotten it a year or so ago.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:35 PM
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44. Again, Will Pitt "Tells it Like It Is" and so does "Gov. Dean!"
Thank you Will... and thank you Dr. Dean.

I might not have much, but what little I can give is going straight to Dean... now and from here out. Thanks for putting it into words, Will as always, for us.

Note: Where I live it is just as Dean called it. Mind you, not all "whites" but more and more I have known personally fall under the "White," "Christian" ideals. Dean is right. And finally, someone had "SPINE" in a leadership position to "say it like it is." And I am half White, half Native American but appear White. I am also a Christian but practice this to myself... and would never shove it down anyone else's throats.

Conservative: I am a Conservative because I believe that -
We should uphold the laws of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
We should conserve the air, water and environment for future generations.
I believe we should conserve all the hard-work and sufferings of those that strived to give all Americans their god-given freedoms, and civil liberties because "all men and women were created equally."

Next time someone claims to be a "Conservative," tell them you are too, and tell them what you believe needs to be "conserved" like "rationality," "respect for one another's difference."

Lord, I could be here all night adding to this in my :rant: but would good will it do us less we grass-root for honest government with paper-proof voting.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:47 PM
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46. On Note:
Systematically, using 4 female Repuks I know that are lost in la-la land under the Bush ideals they all have the same traits in common:

(None live in the same area of state. All are white. 3 of 4 claim to be born-again Christians).

1. All had horrible relationships w/their mothers. All of their fathers reported abused them.
2. Not 1 of the 4 have ever worked a real job in their life-ever! They do under-the-table type jobs, so is it any wonder they don't care about Social Security, and Pensions going down the tubes.
3. 3 of the 4 are in long-term Majorly abusive mate-relationships! The 1 of the 4 had so many boyfriends that we had a name for her kind, ya know. She has run out of men to date in her small community.
4. Their men hate Blacks, Hispanics, you name it - hatred is what they thrive on during cookouts.
5. 2 of the 4 make money buying on-line products from China/Taiwan and resell stuff out here to Americans making $$$, or so they (brag) say.

After Nov. 3, 2004 all 4 changed on me, overnight. Rude, arrogant I was in shock, and saddened. 3 of the 4 have tried calling me, here and there acting like their sorry (only the fear of a possible draft brought them out to call me, the one they trust, yawning...). Now, I have drawn lines. I use Lauren Bacall's line w/them now, "don't go there..."

So, they no longer call me now. And I no longer care. They're lost.

Me. Thanks to all of this, I am now found.

:rant: Nuff said. Sorry. Rough day hearing about those Repuks walking out in that conference. I need to begin my own blog site.

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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:43 PM
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45. Or as I've said before: Dean is the best thing to happen to the Dems in
forty years or so. And Dean made it something new with his campaign-something Kerry/Conyers/Boxer et all have learned-hey the people can have a big part in this Democracy biz afterall.

Dean is some scarey shit to those that want the same ol' same ol'.

Change is a coming I say..the appeasment train doesn't stop at the promised land.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:56 PM
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 08:18 PM
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49. I thought that the reason Dean took on the job he's doing now...
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 08:31 PM by Hubert Flottz
was, because we were tired of the mealy mouthed and meek rose garden democrats leading the party downhill. The meek inherited four more years of bush*t on top of the four sorry years we'd just barely survived. I'll bet the swing voters and the undecided can at least tell Howard Dean from a damned republican!

What I mean is, if we'd wanted Timid Terry, we'd have kept him. I'm sure that if we'd have begged Terry to stay he would have stayed.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 08:23 PM
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50. Memo to Dean: Keep doing what you are doing. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Great article Will. I second that memo to Dean...repeat as often as needed= PRN, Doctor, PRN
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 08:25 PM
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51. Oh you have said a mouthful and all of it is truth! Kick ASS DEAN!
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 08:35 PM
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54. You are good.
I have stated elsewhere that Dean is right. And I think when he talks about white Christians, he is talking about racists. Racism is so out of fashion, it is veiled in religion, hence your "white Christians" instead of Christians, like those you'll find around here. OK, I'll admit I'm white, but I don't make a career out of it, like those Republicans do.

Good job, Will.

--IMM
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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 08:59 PM
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55. Sadly, Will, I don't think they're afraid of upsetting the people; they're
afraid of upsetting the corporations who own them. They are no more fighting for us than are the republicans. If they were in power or in the White House they would be trying to "handle" us to keep our feathers down while handing out the goodies to the corporations just like Bush and the republicans. For too many of our boys and girls, the shit we see going on in D.C. is just fine with them because it's just fine with the corporations. Will, I honestly think a whole bunch of these sons of bitches really have no desire for us to be in the majority because then they would have nothing to hide behind as they handed the wealthy and the corporations more of this country on a silver platter. I'm becoming very disgusted. Dean is making them sweat because the big boys are not happy with Dean's mouth. They are afraid he might stir up enough in this country to dump the republicans.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:32 PM
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58. Your post delights me as much as Wills
You have nailed it ! :toast:
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:31 PM
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57. Probably would be good to get VERY loud about the RW hijack of religion
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 09:44 PM by FizzFuzz
and the destruction of separation between church and state. Also, attacking the deceitful rewriting of history they use to "prove" the founding fathers intended a theocracy would be a very very good thing. Many people think this, but need leaders to give them the voice.

The religion angle works so well for the GOP because its easy for people to have a strong opinion about--because its emotional and does not require critical thought. FINE. USE THAT.

Make TRUTH the crux of the problem and link it to religion. ALL Religious traditions have denounced liars. Get louder about accusing them of their LIES. They LIE. People don't need a 175 IQ to get that LIES ARE BAD.

When speaking up against evil, you don't use your polite voice. The GOP loves to whine about liberals and overly PC speech, as an excuse to spew their bigotry. We need to quit the PC politeness and call a lie a lie. They will bloviate about us being non-PC. Good, call them on it. Out loud.

Yes, we need a media to act on it. But there are some here and there, that's the start.

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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:59 PM
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60. Oh but about the knocking over old ladies joke......
"Furniture and old ladies" ? Are we equating women of advanced years with furniture? Look, I'll be old someday and I dislike the custom of envisioning old ladies as so dehumanized as to be equivalent to furniture. I will never understand why this culture thinks harming elderly women is funny.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 07:09 PM
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78. So true
I will never understand why this culture thinks harming elderly women is funny.

Or talk about harming ANY women is acceptable rhetoric. Old women must not be fully human, more like cartoon characters, if we can talk about their being harmed as something humorous.

Shame on Pitt for using such imagery. I feel certain he can do better, and I imagine, since he considers himself progressive AND pro-woman (maybe even feminist himself?), he'll want to.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 09:50 PM
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59. Nominated for Greatest.
Good Job.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:02 PM
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61. Dean will only be vindicated in the end
If we make sure that his approach to fundraising succeeds.

In other words, make a donation to the DNC today.

I've sent in mine.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:06 PM
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63. $50.01
to show support for Chair Dean!
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 12:24 AM
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66. Donated last night
I didn't add the .01...why is that significant? I wanted to make some kind of comment to go with it, but there isn't any way to do that when you donate online.
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Old_Fart Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:05 PM
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62. Someone needs to post a link for donations to Dean
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 10:10 PM by Old_Fart
We all need to give money and put our money where Deans mouth is. He is our hero right now and the democratic party needs to know that he is what we want.

If we all gave donations to Dean right now and made sure that it was noticeable then the democratic party might hear us SHOUTING that we need people like Dean in our party.

Let's set a goal and start giving.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:03 PM
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65. Ever notice how Consecrative talking heads speak of Democrats as
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 11:04 PM by Maraya1969
if they were using the "n" word? Yea, they have been nasty fucks for too long and we've been too nice.

Anne the man Coulter's title of her book was "How to speak to a liberal - if you HAVE to.

Fuck her and the fucking banana crate she rode in on.

And Dean is rocking!

EDIT: grammer


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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 01:21 AM
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67. LINK TO FINAL
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 01:27 AM
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68. Agreed...
"The voters who are supposedly going to be alienated by this kind of talk are the very same voters who look for guts, strength and straight talk from the leadership of this country."

--Seems crystal clear we're not winning them over with candy...might as well try a dose of bitter truth. They might find it as rejuvenating as some of us around here do.
If "White Christians" is NOT a neutral term these days...WHOSE fault is that?!?

Sending a small donation to the DNC. :kick:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 01:51 AM
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69. "Lather, rinse, repeat." Several times a day, please Dr. Dean. Bush ....
.... and the neoconster vermin are going to require numerous disinfection cycles.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:35 AM
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71. Dean is right, the Republican Party has been dominated by extremist
Christian Zionists, RW fascist whackjobs in the US party that real Nazis and Nazi partisans found a home in.

Old Nazi Networks in US (Russ Bellant's work)
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/political-science/fascism/bellant/bellant.pt1
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Reptilian Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 12:33 PM
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74. Dean chose his words carefully. I would have said the white neo nazi
christian republicans..
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 03:01 PM
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75. You nailed it. Dr Dean's got a plan and it's a brilliant one.
Good job, Will!
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 03:35 PM
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76. this is a good one. nt
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 03:56 PM
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77. Excellent Post Will !
I hope this has been sent out far and wide.

To Dean naturally, but also to Biden, Richardson et al, to Ford of Tennessee, to Chris Matthews, Aaron Brown et al and to those on Air America, like Schultz who do not get it but desperately need to.

Btw, it was nice to meet and talk with you and Kevin Spidel in Santa Rosa last week.


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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 07:30 PM
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79. Well Said Will !!!
:yourock:
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 07:38 PM
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80. Thanks, Will. This was excellent.
I read this last night, on Truthout, and thought that it really needed to be posted on DU. I'm so glad that you already did. Keep up the great work and continue speaking out! Dean was not my candidate, Dennis Kucinich was, but I'm proud to say I agree with you. Howard Dean speaks for me!
:kick:
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