What did Harold Ford say about Dean on Shultz today?

[chaska]

It was implied that he was inching the party toward dumping him as party chairman.

I gotta tell ya people, we'd better get on this. They dump Dean and they will split this party right in two.

Am I crazy? I thought this issue of party direction was settled when we put Dean in charge.

[Roxy66]

1. I listen to Randi.....never Schultz

[chaska]

6. Unfortunately, in Los Angeles it's Shultz (12-3) then Randi (3-7).

[Roxy66]

9. Stream it live on-line.......Air America or Randi Rhodes sites

http://www.airamericaradio.com/

http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/

[LaurenG]

2. You are correct

They break with Dean and I'm gone. He's the only hope we have. DC needs Dean, he needs to shake them all up and hard. Do they not know that we have been bullied and abused by the right? Dean speaks for me. I agree with him.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

25. you and me both

they won't do it though. they will not bite the hand that feeds them.

[Tamyrlin79]

26. You'd think they'd also want to keep some power, too

I mean, if the party splits, they're through. You'd think they'd see it as in their best interests. If that's the case, they can't see past the end of their noses.

But I agree. They pull down Dean, and that's it. I said I was leaving if they didn't elect him chair, and I stand by that now if they dare try to tear him down.

We knew we'd have to defend him, though. I think we all understood that at some level going in, because of who has run the party and because of the threat that we and Dean represent to their happy little (and now powerless...) status quo. And here we are. Wish we weren't and that the party was behind us, but they aren't. It's going to be a tougher row to hoe.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

38. ill have to see the context of those statements by Ford

nt

[FreedomAngel82]

32. If Harold Ford is looking

to get elected in the Senate (I'm hoping for Kurita) and he says to over throw Dean then he's not going to be very popular. He's already not from my understanding. Maybe we all should Email all of the people who are saying to over throw Dean and tell them we'd leave the party if they do. Dean is working with Reid though and I'm glad of that.

[jmaier]

3. Ford did make some comments along those lines

specifically distancing himself from Dean and indicating that Dean's comments of late were going to play poorly in Tennesse. On the other hand, Ford has no ability to decide matters at the DNC and a very narrow bully pulpit so no big deal.

[FreedomAngel82]

33. And this democrat from Tennessee

says bullshit to Harold Ford. There was this guy earlier in the year who made a big stink on the local networks for leaving because of Dean but if he did that it's because he's a Dixiecrat and not a real democrat. Ford can kiss my ass.

[AX10]

4. Harold Ford should "STFU!"

Dean is the party chair!

[ClintonTyree]

5. If they dump Dean....

I leave the Party. Simple as that. If the Democratic Party wants nothing more than to be Republican lite, to be owned and controlled by the very same corporations that own and control the slugs, they can do it without me and my money. Howard Dean is the only reason I haven't jumped to a third party already.

[CrispyQ]

13. Me too!

About jumping to a third party. I love Dean!

I have visions of the moderate republicans joining the DLC dems & becoming their own party. Meanwhile, the PNACers & zealtos will be left with their own (diminished) party & we progressives will form a new truly progressive party that is the voice of the people.

And I haven't even had a marg yet!!

[Mass]

7. Here are Ford and Warner's quote in the latimes today

Now, I doubt Ford or anybody in the DLC has the power of doing that.

He is just preparing his run for Frist's seat in Tennessee and he thinks his best chance of winning is to be a conservative Democrat from the South.

I wished that comments would stop from all sides.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-dean10jun10,0,6724139,print.story?coll=la-home-nation

Also Thursday, two Democrats seen as rising stars — Rep. Harold Ford of Tennessee and Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner — made a point of distancing themselves from Dean's remarks.

Ford, who plans a Senate run next year, said on the Don Imus radio show that if Dean could not "temper his comments, it may get to the point where the party may need to look elsewhere for leadership, because he does not speak for me."

Ford later told The Times that Dean was "leading us in a direction that makes it difficult to win…. His leadership right now is not serving any of us very well."

Warner, who has been mentioned as a possible 2008 presidential candidate, said Dean was using "not the kind of tone that I would use, not the kind of tone a lot of the Democratic governors in mostly Republican states are using to get elected or to govern." Warner made his comments at a luncheon at The Times' Washington bureau.

[FreedomAngel82]

34. Well fuck them

Warner is already seen at Bilderberg meetings so he's going to try to run in 2008 for president. I've already made up my mind I'm not voting for Ford. I'd rather have Corker then him. I'm voting for Kurita that's for sure. I don't know her voting record but I know she's more of a democrat then Ford is. And Dean told the truth. We all know the republicans can't handle the truth. Even if it's about them. "Oh no, we LOVE minority groups!" My ass. Watch an RNC convention and see for yourself.

[dweller]

8. i say Dump the DINO

Ford, that is.

dp

[Cooley Hurd]

10. ...and Ed Shultz - wasn't he a Rush wannabe until he decided...

...he wasn't talented enough (or that the repug talker field was too diluted to support a nincompoop like him)?

Sorry, but I don't trust him.:thumbsdown:

[FreedomAngel82]

35. I don't either

It's my understanding he "used to be" a republican. I sometimes think he's a republican in democratic clothing. I tried him once but he sounds too much like Rush Limbaugh and everything. No fan here. Give me Rhandi Rhodes.

[chaska]

11. Sensenbrenner saved Harold's ass today.

He should prolly hear from us anyway though.

I agree, if Howard goes then and I go. I was a Clark man in the primaries, and may be again. The point is that this is no cult of personality thing ... as some have implied.

1)Dean has balls.
2)Unity is extremely important - no second guessing - keep it behind closed doors.
and
3)Dean has balls.

[dogday]

12. Problem is Politicians want to Cover their own Ass instead of

worrying about covering ours....

[chaska]

14. yup.

'tis too true.

[Cha]

21. I just discovered this link

in another forum and it says it best..

"Thursday, June 9, 2005 Bird Count - 345


Let Dean Be Mean

Leading Democrats, including John Edwards, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and Dianne Feinstein, have felt it necessary in the last week to distance themselves from Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean. True, Dean has spoken bluntly, as is his wont, about Republicans, particularly the Republican party leadership. One wonders though where these upright Democrats find the time and energy to publicly criticize one of their own during such trying times.

Further evidence, as if any more was needed, has emerged establishing that the war in Iraq was sold under false pretenses, but Democrats are speaking out against Dean.

A major news magazine has been discredited to divert attention from confirmed instances of Koran desecration in Guantanamo Bay prison, but Democrats are speaking out against Dean.

Bush has nominated for our new U.N. Ambassador an individual who virulently opposes the very existence of the United Nations, but Democrats are speaking out against Dean."



Much more at..
http://10000birds.com/

[devilgrrl]

15. I swear, Harold Ford and Ralph Reed are the same person

[me b zola]

16. splitting the party

I think that may be what the DLC would like to do. They have already spit on traditional Democratic values, ideas, and issues. They are, to me, the mole of the rethuglican party. They assist the rethuglicans in their talking points that civil rights and every other value that we hold are "far left", and are working to marginalize us and those who would work for the common person.

I think that Dean and a few others know that the soul of the party is what is at stake, and that is why this fight is so important.



Are we running anyone against Ford for the Senate seat??

[John Q. Citizen]

24. Yeah, a Dem state senator is running for the Dem nomination against

Ford.


ROSALIND KURITA is her name. Maybe we should help organize some fund raising for her.



Here's a link to her legislative web site

http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/senate/members/s22.htm

and here is a link to another site she has with some info on her bio, etc. http://www.senatorrosalindkurita.com/contact.shtml

[me b zola]

28. thanks for the links

Neither website gave much info on her stances on the issues. It is difficult to tell if she is better than Ford or not (although I find it difficult to believe that she could be worse) I'll e-mail her and try to get some info on her stance on the issues.

If she is even slightly more progressive than Ford, I agree, we should get behind her and demand that the DNC does the same.

[FreedomAngel82]

37. She's already got my vote

I really like her. I hope she wins. I also have a chance to kick out Zach Wamp too. Oooo I hope so. It would be great to have two democratic reps for me. :loveya: Thanks for those other two sites!

[John Q. Citizen]

40. What can you tell us non-Tennessans about Rosalind Kurita?

I ask because right now with Ford publically attacking his National Party Chair, it might generate a fundraising bonanza for Kurita.

There are a lot of Dean supporters who might like to send a message to Ford by contributing to Rosalind Kurita.

I was reading a conservative libertarian blog out of Tennesse (found it on google while trying to find info on Kurita) and his take was that Rosalind Kurita is well liked and well respected throughout the state, but that Ford would win the Dem nomination because of his large support base in Memphis.

What's your take on the situation?

[FreedomAngel82]

36. I think so too and yes on Ford

Check out Rosalind Kurita: http://www.kurita2006.com I think that's what's going on. The DLCers are too focused on power then doing what people want.

[BigBearJohn]

17. If Dean leaves -- *I* leave. For sure. Done deal.

[BigBearJohn]

18. If Dean leaves -- *I* leave. For sure. Done deal.

[Pithy Cherub]

19. Real and lasting power makes statements AFTER

an action has been taken. Those who comment on their wishes/wants/desires BEFORE an action is ever taken demonstrate a lack of real influence.

This is about creating a perception that their (DLC)words matter and influence future behavior. The REAL deal is that Dean has had a master strategy all along. He said it when he ran for DNC Chair, a party for the people and by the people. Dean is devolving power from DC and was pretty quiet while he gathered his troops.

Dean spoke from a real position of leadership of actual people and being able to prove it. (See 2005 DNC fundraising) The pink tutu Dems have to be able to say two things to their big donors - "I have influence invest in me and I will share." "I can command a large amount of votes." Proof being in the pudding and all the production of votes and money resides squarely with Dean.

The media landscape changed and the people are their own media. Notice the DLC bunnyhop/run to the mainstream established/traditional media and not to certain new alternative media...Dean in command, again... Hey, Conyers is 75 and bloggin' his heart out!

These Dean naysayers guys & molls really should get up to speed on Sun Tzu. Their bringing wet noodles to carnivore voters.

[reality based]

20. Don't like the threats to leave the Party

If they dump Dean we need to oppose them in their primaries and take over the Party apparatus at the local and state levels. Bone up on your party rules and caucus procedures. This is my Party and I'll be damned if the DINOs can have it! We admire Democrats who fight don't we? Then why do we talk about running from these pink tutu wearers? Practice what you preach and fight for the Democratic Party. People aren't going to trust us with the country if we can't fight effectively for what we believe in.

[napi21]

31. I can't say I'd leave the party, but I won't support any of these AH's

if they keep fighting Dean!

You talk about not liking people saying they'd leave the party! Well, I'm seriously thinking about leaving the damn Country! I'm sick of the shit this admin is doing, and I don't know if I WANT to stick around for another 3 1/2 years!

[realFedUp]

22. Cheer up Eddie

Dean's putting himself out as a target but
what he's saying energizes and gives hope to
liberals, gives air time for the weenie
Dems to act righteous and lets pundits fill
some air time.
The weenies should use the mic for what Dems
believe in and what Repubs aren't doing for
the country.

It's all good as long as the Doc doesn't
mind taking the arrows.

He deserves a purple heart actually.

[KittyWampus]

23. For Pete's Sake, How Much Longer Is DU Going To Allow The

Mediawhore and GOP to perpetuate this non-story?

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

27. Ford should worry more about his family HISTORY of POLITICAL CORRUPTION

Ford's another opportunistic DINO tool.

Growing up in Memphis, I became well acquainted with the multiple Ford family members found guilty or accused of criminal behavior and/or political influence peddling.

Dean ONCE AGAIN (i.e., Iraq War opposition) is right in calling out the Repukes, but the corporate-shill DINOs are threatened by any evidence of truth-telling or backbone from the grassroots.

JB

[Guaranteed]

29. *crack*

That's the sound of the Democratic Party if they even try to dump Dean.

[welshTerrier2]

30. Ford on this morning's Imus show ...

Ford was extremely critical of Dean's remarks but did not talk about dumping Dean ... can remember his specific comments ...

[yankeedem]

39. Harold Ford Jr. of Tennesee?

Mr. I voted for the bankruptcy bill despite representing one of the poorest districts in the country?

He has reason to be threatened by a progressive. He votes slightly to the left of JC Watts.