The revenge of Baghdad Bob

[rodeodance]

Here is one of the best lines of the article (altough good overall article)-----"It has gotten so that on the subject of Iraq, the way you can tell when Bush is lying is that his mouth is moving".

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2005/06/09/baghdad_bob/index_np.html

> The revenge of Baghdad Bob

> Bush's ludicrous statements about Iraq are increasingly reminiscent of the propaganda spouted by the former spokesman for the Iraqi regime -- except that they're not funny.

> By Juan Cole
>
> June 9, 2005 | The sheer dishonesty of the Bush administration whenever it speaks about the situation in Iraq was on display again during Bush's Tuesday press conference with visiting British Prime Minister Tony Blair. In recent weeks Bush has repeatedly expressed wild optimism, utterly unfounded in reality, about the political process in Iraq and about the ability of the new Iraqi government and army to win the guerrilla war. He has if anything been outdone in this rhetoric by Vice President Dick Cheney. This pie-in-the-sky attitude, which increasingly few believe, degrades our civic discourse, and it endangers the national security of the United States.
>
> With Blair at his side, Bush trotted out his usual talking points on Iraq, speaking of freedom and remarking, "This is the vision chosen by Iraqis in elections in January." Bush added, "We'll support Iraqis as they take the lead in providing their own security. Our strategy is clear: We're training Iraqi forces so they can take the fight to the enemy, so they can defend their country, and then our troops will come home with the honor they have earned." He again trumpeted his alleged policy of spreading democracy in the region as a way of combating the "bitterness and hatred" that "feed the ideology of terror."
>
> The two leaders were finally confronted by the press corps with the leaked Downing Street memo, which reported that Sir Richard Dearlove, the head of the British intelligence agency MI6, had returned from Washington in July 2002 convinced that Bush had already decided on war. The notes of his report to Blair and British Cabinet members say, "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."
>
> Bush dealt with the memo by denying Dearlove's observations. "My conversations with the prime minister was how could we do this peacefully, what could we do. And this meeting, evidently it took place in London, happened before we even went to the United Nations -- or I went to the United Nations."......

[mikehiggins]

1. Why do you think he's lying?

Reality is what he perceives it to be. If he thinks he met in London with somebody, and wanted to do something peacefully, its pretty obvious that that is what happened, as far as he beleives.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

[rodeodance]

6. you are so right.

[Monkie]

2. Baghdad Bob's quotes,who is the joke on now?

"My feelings - as usual - we will slaughter them all"

"Our initial assessment is that they will all die"

"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!"

"I can assure you that those villains will recognize, will discover in appropriate time in the future how stupid they are and how they are pretending things which have never taken place."

"The American press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies!"

"Now even the American command is under siege. We are hitting it from the north, east, south and west. We chase them here and they chase us there. But at the end we are the people who are laying siege to them. And it is not them who are besieging us."

"We are in control. They are in a state of hysteria. Losers, they think that by killing civilians and trying to distort the feelings of the people they will win. I think they will not win, those bastards."

“We have placed them in a quagmire from which they can never emerge except dead”

"We will pursue them as war criminals. We will work with all the free people in the world, and they are many, who want someone to bell the cat , and now we are belling the cat, according to the famous saying so as to rid the UN of those villains. After Iraq aborts the invasion that is being carried out by the American and British villains, the USA will no longer be a superpower. Its deterioration will be rapid. I say to those villains who are meeting in Europe, thinking of launching psychological war and brainwashing: wait. Do not be hasty because your disappointment will be huge. You will reap nothing from this aggressive war, which you launched on Iraq, except for disgrace and defeat. Iraq will continue to exist. Its civilization is 10,000 years old. It will not be changed by villains like the US and British villains."

"W. Bush, this man is a war criminal, and we will see
that he is brought to trial"

"The United Nations.... a place for prostitution under the feet of
Americans."

"We're going to drag the drunken junkie nose of Bush through Iraq's desert, him and his follower dog Blair...There are 26 million Saddams in Iraq"

"When we were making the law, when we were writing the literature and the mathematics the grandfathers of Blair and little Bush were scratching around in caves"

"They are lying every day. They are lying always, and mainly they are lying to their public opinion."

"We are winning!"

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

[bpilgrim]

5. powerful stuff... we are getting our a$$es kicked in iraq and the neoCONs

think we're ready to take on CHINA :eyes:

peace

[oblivious]

7. Holy crap! That is amazing reading that today. It's almost creepy.

Thanks for that, monkie.

[KharmaTrain]

3. DSM Problem...It's "Too Foreign"

I had someone actually say that to me...and this was a fellow Democrat.

There's no denying the memo is damning and is all but definitive proof (for Freepers you'd need audio/video/smellovision and foresic and semen stain experts to verify) that this invasion was premeditated. These are MINUTES of a meeting, not a memo someone jotted down in the margins of a Boys Life. This is the actual record of the meeting...what was said, who said it, where it was said and so on. It's cut and dried, no? Well not quite.

Now if this "memo" was of a meeting with Chenney, Bunnypants, Rummy and the others in this cabal (and you know we'll never get the REAL minutes of those get togethers) then there would be so much outrage from the "middle" and the media would see blood in the water (they've got it for Rummy, still...if you haven't noticed). Again, the Freepers would do all they could/can to debunk and distort things...but it would be harder since people here would have a clearer image of who said what to whom. The DSM isn't as easy for most here to see.

Also, it's incredible, but there are some in this country who think Britian is France. Yes...they think all Brits are against us like the rest of "Old Europe" and give little credibility to anything from a foreign source "since they never liked us anyway". This can be overcome, but it will take a lot of one-on-one explaining and pounding this story into the corporate media who can explain it...but feel no need to do so.

[rodeodance]

4. love your comments about what freepers need as proof-te he

There's no denying the memo is damning and is all but definitive proof (for Freepers you'd need audio/video/smellovision and foresic and semen stain experts to verify) that this invasion was premeditated