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yebrent Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 01:45 PM
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Zappa. Once again way ahead of his time. (predicts fascist theocracy!)


Zappa on Crossfire 3/28/86

Zappa has his good moments, bad moments and brilliant moments in this Crossfire appearance. It is quite funny at times too. About halfway through is where Zappa makes his bold prediction.
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yebrent Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 01:48 PM
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1. 10:10 minute mark for the goods.
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 01:56 PM
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2. He called it
in a way that few in modern media would dare recognise publicly...

...can't say we weren't warned...

:argh:
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:10 PM
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3. It was good, love FZ
Novak was incredibly smarmy, even back then.


Keith’s Barbeque Central
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yebrent Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:13 PM
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4. When Novak questioned Zappa's claim of moving towards...

a fascist theocracy, Zappa's response was priceless. "You know we are buddy". Novak knows that this is the goal of many.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:18 PM
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5. Thanks for posting that link
That was great! Zappa was awesome. He slapped 'em down a few times and he was so right about the theocracy, etc. I miss Zappa. :cry:

You're right kliljedahl, that's just what I was thinking...Novak a worm, even back then.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:23 PM
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6. Great video
He really told Bob Novak off!! And it's so ridiculous of the censorship they were trying to do with music. Uh duh! YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY!!! Doy! :eyes: If I don't like rap music I don't have to buy it. If I don't like Marylin Manson I don't have to buy it. It's about free speech and being able to express yourself through words. Mr. Zappa kicks ass. LOL and "you're about my age" from Novak who said he was fifty-five and Zappa came back and said "I'm twenty-five." HA! Loved it. He knew Reagan was a facists.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:26 PM
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7. This is the best line
Edited on Sat Jun-11-05 02:27 PM by FreedomAngel82
"When you have a certain moral code from a certain religion that moral code turns into legislation to suit one religious point of view and if that code happens to be very very rightwing almost toward the tilt of the hun." Then the guy on his right came back and said he was a moralist and every forum of government is based on some forum of morality.
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earthboundmisfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:27 PM
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8. How I wish he was here today! He left much too soon.
Zappa was a visionary in so many ways - if he was here today I truly believe he would be in Congress, helping lead the fight with Conyers & Boxer and the others defending the Constitution.
Yeah, Frank sure hit the nail right on the head in this interview - where it was pretty much 3 against 1 (since Tom Braden wasn't much help "from the left"). And John Lofton, that porky little prick from Rev. Moon's Washington Times - sheesh! Jabbing his fucking finger in Zappa's face through the whole thing. Lofton reminds me a lot of John O'Neill when he "debated" Kerry. And sleazy Bob Novak hasn't changed a bit.
God, I miss Frank Zappa.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:28 PM
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9. What happened to Zappa??
Yep Novak hasn't changed. Funny. And they still do the same thing with people "on the left." They wouldn't dare have a hard core democrat on there.
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earthboundmisfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:31 PM
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10. Zappa died of prostate cancer
Edited on Sat Jun-11-05 02:32 PM by earthboundmisfit
December 4, 1993. A huge loss to the world when he left.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:41 PM
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13. I just put on "Billy the Mountain" in his honor
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:38 PM
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11. Striking how much Crossfire had lost over the years
The whole segment, raucus and conflicted as it was, was still a long, meaningful, and coherent debate on ONE issue.

God I miss that.

I'm glad Stewart stuck a fork in that piece of burnt crap that it had become.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:41 PM
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12. Zappa slayed those dumb bastards
2 v 1, and he repeatedly blasted them.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 02:46 PM
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14. Old Crossfire
There was a lot more comity and less screaming in the old Crossfire. The panelists actually debated the topic. They needed to cancel Crossfire because it had morphed into a political equivalent of WWF Friday Smackdown.

However, I did *love* it when Frank Zappa told Lofton to "Kiss my ass."
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yebrent Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 08:07 PM
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15. kick
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