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evermind Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 07:14 PM
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New UK Cabinet Paper leak, from Sunday Times today
As the Sunday Times are unlikely to own the copyright on this, no harm in posting the whole thing. I hope.

It's at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1648758_1,00.html

From information in today's ST story Ministers were told of need for Gulf war ‘excuse’ at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1650822_1,00.html it seems this briefing paper was prepared on Jul 21 2002, to inform participants of the Jul 23 2002 meeting, of which the Downing Street Memo is the minutes.


PERSONAL SECRET UK EYES ONLY

IRAQ: CONDITIONS FOR MILITARY ACTION

(A Note by Officials)

Summary

Ministers are invited to:

(1) Note the latest position on US military planning and timescales for possible action.

(2) Agree that the objective of any military action should be a stable and law-abiding Iraq, within present borders, co-operating with the international community, no longer posing a threat to its neighbours or international security, and abiding by its international obligations on WMD.

(3) Agree to engage the US on the need to set military plans within a realistic political strategy, which includes identifying the succession to Saddam Hussein and creating the conditions necessary to justify government military action, which might include an ultimatum for the return of UN weapons inspectors to Iraq. This should include a call from the Prime Minister to President Bush ahead of the briefing of US military plans to the President on 4 August.

(4) Note the potentially long lead times involved in equipping UK Armed Forces to undertake operations in the Iraqi theatre and agree that the MOD should bring forward proposals for the procurement of Urgent Operational Requirements under cover of the lessons learned from Afghanistan and the outcome of SR2002.

(5) Agree to the establishment of an ad hoc group of officials under Cabinet Office Chairmanship to consider the development of an information campaign to be agreed with the US.

Introduction

1. The US Government's military planning for action against Iraq is proceeding apace. But, as yet, it lacks a political framework. In particular, little thought has been given to creating the political conditions for military action, or the aftermath and how to shape it.

2. When the Prime Minister discussed Iraq with President Bush at Crawford in April he said that the UK would support military action to bring about regime change, provided that certain conditions were met: efforts had been made to construct a coalition/shape public opinion, the Israel-Palestine Crisis was quiescent, and the options for action to eliminate Iraq's WMD through the UN weapons inspectors had been exhausted.

3. We need now to reinforce this message and to encourage the US Government to place its military planning within a political framework, partly to forestall the risk that military action is precipitated in an unplanned way by, for example, an incident in the No Fly Zones. This is particularly important for the UK because it is necessary to create the conditions in which we could legally support military action. Otherwise we face the real danger that the US will commit themselves to a course of action which we would find very difficult to support.

4. In order to fulfil the conditions set out by the Prime Minister for UK support for military action against Iraq, certain preparations need to be made, and other considerations taken into account. This note sets them out in a form which can be adapted for use with the US Government. Depending on US intentions, a decision in principle may be needed soon on whether and in what form the UK takes part in military action.

The Goal

5. Our objective should be a stable and law-abiding Iraq, within present borders, co-operating with the international community, no longer posing a threat to its neighbours or to international security, and abiding by its international obligations on WMD. It seems unlikely that this could be achieved while the current Iraqi regime remains in power. US military planning unambiguously takes as its objective the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime, followed by elimination if Iraqi WMD. It is however, by no means certain, in the view of UK officials, that one would necessarily follow from the other. Even if regime change is a necessary condition for controlling Iraqi WMD, it is certainly not a sufficient one.

US Military Planning

6. Although no political decisions have been taken, US military planners have drafted options for the US Government to undertake an invasion of Iraq. In a 'Running Start', military action could begin as early as November of this year, with no overt military build-up. Air strikes and support for opposition groups in Iraq would lead initially to small-scale land operations, with further land forces deploying sequentially, ultimately overwhelming Iraqi forces and leading to the collapse of the Iraqi regime. A 'Generated Start' would involve a longer build-up before any military action were taken, as early as January 2003. US military plans include no specifics on the strategic context either before or after the campaign. Currently the preference appears to be for the 'Running Start'. CDS will be ready to brief Ministers in more detail.

7. US plans assume, as a minimum, the use of British bases in Cyprus and Diego Garcia. This means that legal base issues would arise virtually whatever option Ministers choose with regard to UK participation.

The Viability of the Plans

8. The Chiefs of Staff have discussed the viability of US military plans. Their initial view is that there are a number of questions which would have to be answered before they could assess whether the plans are sound. Notably these include the realism of the 'Running Start', the extent to which the plans are proof against Iraqi counter-attack using chemical or biological weapons and the robustness of US assumptions about the bases and about Iraqi (un)willingness to fight.

UK Military Contribution

9. The UK's ability to contribute forces depends on the details of the US military planning and the time available to prepare and deploy them. The MOD is examining how the UK might contribute to US-led action. The options range from deployment of a Division (ie Gulf War sized contribution plus naval and air forces) to making available bases. It is already clear that the UK could not generate a Division in time for an operation in January 2003, unless publicly visible decisions were taken very soon. Maritime and air forces could be deployed in time, provided adequate basing arrangements could be made. The lead times involved in preparing for UK military involvement include the procurement of Urgent Operational Requirements, for which there is no financial provision.

The Conditions Necessary for Military Action

10. Aside from the existence of a viable military plan we consider the following conditions necessary for military action and UK participation: justification/legal base; an international coalition; a quiescent Israel/Palestine; a positive risk/benefit assessment; and the preparation of domestic opinion.

Justification

11. US views of international law vary from that of the UK and the international community. Regime change per se is not a proper basis for military action under international law. But regime change could result from action that is otherwise lawful. We would regard the use of force against Iraq, or any other state, as lawful if exercised in the right of individual or collective self-defence, if carried out to avert an overwhelming humanitarian catastrophe, or authorised by the UN Security Council. A detailed consideration of the legal issues, prepared earlier this year, is at Annex A. The legal position would depend on the precise circumstances at the time. Legal bases for an invasion of Iraq are in principle conceivable in both the first two instances but would be difficult to establish because of, for example, the tests of immediacy and proportionality. Further legal advice would be needed on this point.

12. This leaves the route under the UNSC resolutions on weapons inspectors. Kofi Annan has held three rounds of meetings with Iraq in an attempt to persuade them to admit the UN weapons inspectors. These have made no substantive progress; the Iraqis are deliberately obfuscating. Annan has downgraded the dialogue but more pointless talks are possible. We need to persuade the UN and the international community that this situation cannot be allowed to continue ad infinitum. We need to set a deadline, leading to an ultimatum. It would be preferable to obtain backing of a UNSCR for any ultimatum and early work would be necessary to explore with Kofi Annan and the Russians, in particular, the scope for achieving this.

13. In practice, facing pressure of military action, Saddam is likely to admit weapons inspectors as a means of forestalling it. But once admitted, he would not allow them to operate freely. UNMOVIC (the successor to UNSCOM) will take at least six months after entering Iraq to establish the monitoring and verification system under Resolution 1284 necessary to assess whether Iraq is meeting its obligations. Hence, even if UN inspectors gained access today, by January 2003 they would at best only just be completing setting up. It is possible that they will encounter Iraqi obstruction during this period, but this more likely when they are fully operational.

14. It is just possible that an ultimatum could be cast in terms which Saddam would reject (because he is unwilling to accept unfettered access) and which would not be regarded as unreasonable by the international community. However, failing that (or an Iraqi attack) we would be most unlikely to achieve a legal base for military action by January 2003.

An International Coalition

15. An international coalition is necessary to provide a military platform and desirable for political purposes.

16. US military planning assumes that the US would be allowed to use bases in Kuwait (air and ground forces), Jordan, in the Gulf (air and naval forces) and UK territory (Diego Garcia and our bases in Cyprus). The plans assume that Saudi Arabia would withhold co-operation except granting military over-flights. On the assumption that military action would involve operations in the Kurdish area in the North of Iraq, the use of bases in Turkey would also be necessary.

17. In the absence of UN authorisation, there will be problems in securing the support of NATO and EU partners. Australia would be likely to participate on the same basis as the UK. France might be prepared to take part if she saw military action as inevitable. Russia and China, seeking to improve their US relations, might set aside their misgivings if sufficient attention were paid to their legal and economic concerns. Probably the best we could expect from the region would be neutrality. The US is likely to restrain Israel from taking part in military action. In practice, much of the international community would find it difficult to stand in the way of the determined course of the US hegemon. However, the greater the international support, the greater the prospects of success.

A Quiescent Israel-Palestine

18. The Israeli re-occupation of the West Bank has dampened Palestinian violence for the time being but is unsustainable in the long-term and stoking more trouble for the future. The Bush speech was at best a half step forward. We are using the Palestinian reform agenda to make progress, including a resumption of political negotiations. The Americans are talking of a ministerial conference in November or later. Real progress towards a viable Palestinian state is the best way to undercut Palestinian extremists and reduce Arab antipathy to military action against Saddam Hussein. However, another upsurge of Palestinian/Israeli violence is highly likely. The co-incidence of such an upsurge with the preparations for military action against Iraq cannot be ruled out. Indeed Saddam would use continuing violence in the Occupied Territories to bolster popular Arab support for his regime.

Benefits/Risks

19. Even with a legal base and a viable military plan, we would still need to ensure that the benefits of action outweigh the risks. In particular, we need to be sure that the outcome of the military action would match our objective as set out in paragraph 5 above. A post-war occupation of Iraq could lead to a protracted and costly nation-building exercise. As already made clear, the US military plans are virtually silent on this point. Washington could look to us to share a disproportionate share of the burden. Further work is required to define more precisely the means by which the desired endstate would be created, in particular what form of Government might replace Saddam Hussein's regime and the timescale within which it would be possible to identify a successor. We must also consider in greater detail the impact of military action on other UK interests in the region.

Domestic Opinion

20. Time will be required to prepare public opinion in the UK that it is necessary to take military action against Saddam Hussein. There would also need to be a substantial effort to secure the support of Parliament. An information campaign will be needed which has to be closely related to an overseas information campaign designed to influence Saddam Hussein, the Islamic World and the wider international community. This will need to give full coverage to the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, including his WMD, and the legal justification for action.

Timescales

21. Although the US military could act against Iraq as soon as November, we judge that a military campaign is unlikely to start until January 2003, if only because of the time it will take to reach consensus in Washington. That said, we judge that for climactic reasons, military action would need to start by January 2003, unless action were deferred until the following autumn.

22. As this paper makes clear, even this timescale would present problems. This means that:

(a) We need to influence US consideration of the military plans before President Bush is briefed on 4 August, through contacts betweens the Prime Minister and the President and at other levels;
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 07:27 PM
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1. A failure by their own assessment:
"The Conditions Necessary for Military Action

10. Aside from the existence of a viable military plan we consider the following conditions necessary for military action and UK participation: justification/legal base; an international coalition; a quiescent Israel/Palestine; a positive risk/benefit assessment; and the preparation of domestic opinion."

Well, aside from the snake-oil sales job on the sheeple, I'd say all of the other conditions failed to be met.

Oh, and these too:

"Justification

11. US views of international law vary from that of the UK and the international community. Regime change per se is not a proper basis for military action under international law. But regime change could result from action that is otherwise lawful. We would regard the use of force against Iraq, or any other state, as lawful if exercised in the right of individual or collective self-defence, if carried out to avert an overwhelming humanitarian catastrophe, or authorised by the UN Security Council."
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 07:33 PM
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2. The entire UK cabinet at the time of going
Edited on Sat Jun-11-05 07:34 PM by Vladimir
to war, as well as every single MP who voted for it, should be regarded as war criminals.

And that is only partly tongue-in-cheek.

edited for poor verbage...
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evermind Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 07:37 PM
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3. Well, you can't hang it on the majority of MPs voting for it
because they were duped as much as anyone - or at least they can plausibly claim that, though it seemed obvious to me, as a not even assiduous newspaper reader at the time, that the inspections process was being cynically manipulated, which is one of the most damning points in this paper.

Only the participants of that DSM meeting would have access to this paper (assuming it's genuine, of course!) I think. Members of the Joint Intelligence Committee would have probably seen the process of concocting the phoney case for war at some level, but that is a small minority of MPs.

As for the rest, they were told the same story that we were.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 08:04 PM
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8. Authenticating the genuineness would be a really good thing,...
,..right now, I believe.

*LOL* Please verify the bile that is leaking thank you very much. *LOL*

shit

:bounce:
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 08:11 PM
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10. kick nt
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 07:44 PM
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4. Thanks for posting this, evermind!
Has this just been released or is this something we have seen before?

Need to keep this kicked...
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evermind Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 07:52 PM
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5. This appeared on the Sunday Times website an hour or so ago. It's
new. But is probably (I'm guessing!) from the same source as the DSM, and possibly the other earlier leaks.

See the related story Sunday Times: Ministers were told of need for Gulf war "excuse" in LBN.

You might like to have a look at my post #24 in that thread for a little interpretation and links with other leaks I posted.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 07:54 PM
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6. Thanks! Conyers definitely needs to be made aware of this...
It's just another piece to the puzzle.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 07:55 PM
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7. kick nt
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 08:10 PM
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9. Smoking Gun anyone?
"US views of international law vary from that of the UK and the international community. But regime change could result from action that is otherwise lawful. We would regard the use of force against Iraq, or any other state, as lawful if exercised in the right of individual or collective self-defence, if carried out to avert an overwhelming humanitarian catastrophe, or authorised by the UN Security Council.
<snip>
Legal bases for an invasion of Iraq are in principle conceivable in both the first two instances but would be difficult to establish because of, for example, the tests of immediacy and proportionality."

Sounds like they are looking for justification of an action already decided upon to me...

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 08:19 PM
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12. In September of 2002, the intentional propaganda should be noted.
Did I ever say that I hate these bastards?

If not, let me formerly state that, I hate these bastards!!!

These bastards set up an unnecessary war with profiteering scams tied into the whole blood-spending plot!!!

:grr: They are traitors, plotting against their countries in such a way!!! :grr:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:23 AM
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27. "They are traitors, plotting against their countries in such a way!!! "
No, not just you, Just Me. I'd be fine with the moniker 'traitor' applied to the lot of them!
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evermind Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:36 AM
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28. As Juan Cole noted today, this may be a reference to
the "Rockingham Cell".



Operation Rockingham is an intelligence unit whose existence was revealed in June 2003 by the Scottish Sunday Herald. Based mainly on an interview with former US military intelligence officer and chief UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter, investigative journalist Neil Mackay describes the function of Operation Rockingham as producing misleading intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, which could be used as justification for action against Iraq. The article claimed that the Rockingham cell was at the center of various British and US intelligence organisations collecting information on Iraq's WMD, and that the unit dealt with intelligence obtained from a variety of sources, including Iraqi defectors and the UN arms inspections organisation in Iraq UNSCOM, which Rockingham had penetrated. According to Scott Ritter the unit amassed evidence selectively, with government backing, for political goals:

"Operation Rockingham cherry-picked intelligence. It received hard data, but had a preordained outcome in mind. It only put forward a small percentage of the facts when most were ambiguous or noted no WMD... It became part of an effort to maintain a public mindset that Iraq was not in compliance with the inspections. They had to sustain the allegation that Iraq had WMD Unscom was showing the opposite."

For example, Rockingham would leak false information to weapons inspectors but then use the inspections as evidence for WMD: "Rockingham was the source of some very controversial information which led to inspections of a suspected ballistic missile site. We ... found nothing. However, our act of searching allowed the US and UK to say that the missiles existed."

The intelligence unit is thought to include military officers, intelligence services representatives as well as civilian Ministry of Defence personnel. The British weapons expert David Kelly, played an important role in Operation Rockingham. Ritter describes him as "Rockingham's go-to person for translating the data that came out of Unscom into concise reporting"

The day before he died, Kelly described his role in Operation Rockingham to the parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee : "Within the defence intelligence services I liaise with the Rockingham cell." Although this evidence was given in secret, a transcript was released to the Hutton Inquiry. (1) (http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/isc/isc_1_0003to0035.pdf)

The only other public mention of "Operation Rockingham" prior to Ritter's interview was by Brigadier Richard Holmes while giving evidence to the defence select committee in June 1998. (2) (http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199798/cmselect/cmdfence/868/8070107.htm)

It has been alleged that "Operation Rockingham" assumed a central role within the UK intelligence system in building the case that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities constituted a threat to the UK and the US. In the US, the Office of Special Plans, a Pentagon unit created by Donald Rumsfeld, worked towards a similar purpose.

However John Morrison, the founder and manager of the Rockingham cell, has comprehensively denied Ritter's allegations as wholly unfounded. In a letter to the "Guardian" newspaper<1> (http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,,1090757,00.html)he stated:

"Rockingham was a tiny cell which drew on and coordinated all the resources of the DIS; its only aim was to provide leads for Unscom teams, which it did very successfully despite the problems of sanitising sensitive intelligence. Inevitably it was most effective in its earliest years, when Iraq's main WMD facilities, nuclear programme and stocks of chemical and biological weapons were destroyed."

Morrison's rebuttal of Ritter's allegatons was confirmed in the report published by the Butler Review in July 2004, which dedicates a page to Operation Rockingham (p.104). After its creation 1991 within the DIS, "Rockingham was responsible for briefing some of the personnel who formed part of UNSCOM and IAEA inspection teams. It processed information received as a result of the inspections,and acted as a central source of advice on continuing inspection activity. Rockingham also advised FCO and MOD policy branches on the provision of UK experts from government and industry to work with UNSCOM and the IAEA as members of inspection teams. Rockingham included an officer detached to Bahrain to staff an organisation known as GATEWAY to co-ordinate briefings to,and debriefings of, inspection team members as they deployed to,and returned from,Iraq."

After being reduced to one member of staff in 1998, it was again expanded to "provide UK support to UNMOVIC". "No official feedback from UNMOVIC was offered, nor expected. Rockingham did not brief or debrief individual inspectors. It did, however, continue to provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA with all-source UK intelligence assessments of the extent of Iraq's nuclear,biological, chemical and ballistic missile programmes, and information about sites of potential significance. It acted as the focus for the work tasked by the JIC on the analysis of the Iraqi declaration of 7 December 2002" (i.e. the 12,000-page weapons declaration handed over by Iraq as required by UN resolution). After the 2003 Iraq war, Rockingham worked with the Iraq Survey Group.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rockingham (that page has plenty of links to press stories.)


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I'm not sure how much credibility to place on the idea here that Rockingham was "at the center" of producing bogus intel on Iraq. The way I remember it from stories at the time was that it was a mainly UK op focussed on planting bogus, but damning, stories on Saddam, WMD, etc. in the foreign press.

It's a bit of a tangled and thorny issue, really! ;-)

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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 08:13 PM
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11. Watch for planted forgeries. Don't get Rathered!
The US can make case after case for war based upon lies and forged documents, but Rather gets screwed for using one document that is essentially true, but not genuine. Not an even playing field, eh? Now if something came out on the pre-war deception that the Dems embraced but turned out to be forged, the whole DSM thing would be dismissed in a heartbeat. So we ought to dust all damning documents for Rove's fingerprints.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 08:22 PM
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13. DSM is real enough. Whether this additional "plant" is real or not,...
,...doesn't really matter.

The bastards PLANNED a war of profit. They can't escape it. It's on the books.
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evermind Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 08:31 PM
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15. Yeah, but don't cut off your nose to spite your face, either.
The UK Govt will have to respond to this soon enough. Just a matter of waiting.

The Sunday Times probably used the same source as for the DSM. They obviously have their own "Deep Throat" somewhere in the UK Gov.

Blairco haven't denied the DSM, or the earlier leaks from last September. I think it's a safe bet that this is real.
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:03 PM
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25. Deep Throat
And a sense of timing for the media?

Surely they have all the documents they need; they probably realize that if they released them all at once, the media would be able to ignore it, or cover it in one short article on page A-36.

If they keep dribbling it out in pieces, it makes more news every day, and builds up momemtum in between releases.

It's stupid that our press (and its readers) should have to be manipulated this way before they'll pay attention to a sitting president planning massive war crimes, but that seems to be the way it is.
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evermind Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 11:29 PM
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26. Washington Post: "the material was confirmed as authentic"
"[This] memo and other internal British government documents were originally obtained by Michael Smith, who writes for the London Sunday Times. Excerpts were made available to The Washington Post, and the material was confirmed as authentic by British sources who sought anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the matter."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/11/AR2005061100723.html

Incidentally, the "other internal British government documents", from the context in the story, are the earlier leaks from the story (by the same Michael Smith) in the Daily Telegraph, which were also suspected as Rove plants by some here, when I posted them a couple of days ago..
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:44 AM
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29. So, is this material in addition to the original minutes or,...
,...is this PART of the original Downing Street Minutes?

I am a bit confused.
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evermind Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:04 AM
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32. This was a briefing paper, prepared Jul 21st 2002 before a meeting
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 11:21 AM by evermind
on Jul 23rd 2002.

The Downing Street Memo is the minutes or notes from that meeting - ie what was said by the participants.

This new one is the information they were given as a "briefing", to make sure they were up to speed with the topics they would be discussing.

Additionally, six UK Cabinet papers were leaked last September. Those date from earlier in 2002, and include reports by British diplomatic staff on their meetings on 13th and 17th March with Condoleeza Rice and Paul Wolfowitz, as well as discussions of the practicality and legality of war by UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw and others. For those papers, see http://cryptome.org/leaks-brief.htm and a thread on here at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3809302#3823156

So that's 8 documents in all:

(1) Downing Street Memo:
minutes of Jul 23rd meeting

(2) Briefing Paper (start of this thread)
document prepared to inform participants of above meeting beforehand

Earlier leaks:

(3) Iraq: Options Paper, prepared by the Overseas & Defence Secretariat in the Cabinet Office, dated 8 March

(4) Iraq: Legal Background, prepared by the Foreign & Commonwealth Office Legal Department, dated 8 March

(5) Memo from Sir David Manning to the Prime Minister, dated 14 March

(6) Memo from Sir Christopher Meyer to Sir David Manning, dated 28 March

(7) Memo from Peter Ricketts, Political Director, Foreign & Commonwealth Office, to the Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, dated 22 March

(8) Memo from Jack Straw to the Prime Minister, dated 25 March

All 8 of these documents first appeared in stories by Michael Smith, the earlier six in the Telegraph and the latest two in the Sunday Times.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 08:25 PM
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14. Clearly Bush had Iraq on his brain before he was "elected"....
Avenge Poppy, overthrow Hussein, grab that oil. America and Britain were out and out lied to and the paper trail is catching up with Dim Son.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 08:32 PM
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16. A rather interesting "media weather pattern" forming.
Along with this report in the Sunday Times, we have at least two harsh items appearing in the New York Times in the past few hours:

Frank RICH "Don't Follow the Money" which contains the stunningly correct assessment of Bush and his neoconster regime; to wit "a second-term imperial presidency that outstrips Nixon's in hubris":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3836428&mesg_id=3836428

Joseph LELYVELD "Interrogating Ourselves":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3836947#3837061

Let us all express gratitude to these folk for what they are doing.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Please don't stop at 500,000 signatures; don't stop at 10,000,000 signatures; don't stop until Bush and the neoconsters are indicted and prosecuted for their heinous crimes against humanity and our Constitution.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 08:36 PM
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17. It's interesting that clause 5, "The Goal", does NOT include the word
"democratic" or the word "democracy". Very interesting indeed.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 08:44 PM
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18. Oh,...how perceptive of you.
Process of elimination at work against the bastards of smoke-n-mirrors!!!!
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 09:00 PM
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19. To be honest, I'm genuinely surprised.
I thought that at least lip service would be paid to democracy. This is DYNAMITE.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 09:31 PM
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20. *LOL* Obviously the "democracy" part was an afterthought,...
,...to make the whole scheme "taste" better.

Think about it. These powerful people, who supposedly represent our people, sat down and planned how to exploit their countrymen.

They conspired to exploit their own people AND to destroy completely innocent foreigners for purposes of power and profit to themselves.

Isn't that evil?

Tell me. Isn't that as evil as any human can be evil?
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 09:45 PM
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21. They're plainly orking in a manner that we wouldn't recognise.
I wonder what they talk about, how they talk, in those private, cold rooms away from the cameras. I wonder what words drop easily from their lips.

:scared:
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 09:48 PM
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22. "Drop" Like Diahrea, I'm Sure (nt)
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 09:54 PM
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23. All those means of "controlling" us.
There are days when I feel ambivalent, days when I feel angry, days when I feel angry, days when I fear their capacity to destroy.

Mostly, I feel passionate about revealing these corrupt assholes who exploit anything in their path. They are a disease, an awful deadly human disease.

Let's stop them, shall we?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:01 PM
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24. Astute & Damning Observation.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:55 AM
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30. by January 2003 they would at best only just be completing setting up.
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 09:56 AM by Toots
I guess the war was first planned for January and not March. I wonder why they had to wait the extra couple of months. This is a damning indictment of Abuse of Power and violating International Law. The war was on and they could not give the inspectors a chance to even get set up. It was already decided upon and they were doing everything in their power to come up with justification. This document is much more damning than the DSM. It actually goes into specifics.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:12 AM
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31. local groups send press releases!
This is terrific - thank you! I am part of an organization locally that will be issuing a press release tomorrow about our concern over the DSM - hope to get some local media attention on it. If you belong to a local political group or caucus, I suggest you do the same. Also, here's a tip - always fax press releases - the others get deleted.

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