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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:47 AM
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Yesterday, my husband was watching "The Patriot" with Mel Gibson. I pouted
over it because I refuse to watch Mel Gibson movies or support ANYTHING the man does. His movie, "The Passion of the Christ" was the last straw for me. I sat here thinking about how Mel Gibson helped to destroy our country! He gave more fodder to the religious RW wacko nut jobs to rally their RW religious nut job base and it INFURIATES me. Is Mel Gibson even a US citizen, I asked myself ;)? I Googled to look for that info and instead I came across how anti-Semitic his father is and Mel refuses to refute anything his dad said, but does acknowledge the Holocaust did happen, but he also "minimizes" the deaths by stating that many people died in the war. :grr:. I completely missed this story when the bru-ha-ha began over his movie. Have any of you heard about his Nazi father? Mel Gibson is forever on my blackball list. Never will he get a dime of my money. Gibson was born in the US, BTW. I thought he was Australian.

Some religious RW wacko nut job wants Gibson to run for prez! See below snips. He ALSO gave his smarmy 2 cents on the Terri Schiavo case. See below.

Add Gibson to your blacklist! He's a dangerous religious RW wacko nut job with a lot of clout and $$$$$$. IMCPO Hurt him where it counts! IN HIS POCKETBOOK.



Mel Gibson's Holocaust Problem

by Dr. Rafael Medoff

Hutton Gibson, the father of actor Mel Gibson, is lying about the Holocaust again. And now it turns out that Mel, too, has some disturbing views on the subject.

The elder Gibson told the New York Times last year that the annihilation of six million Jews must be a hoax, since it would have taken too long for the Germans to cremate that many bodies. In an interview with a New York radio show this week, Gibson said the Germans did not have enough gas to murder that many people. He added that many European Jews who were reportedly murdered by the Nazis in fact "fled to countries like Australia and the United States."

Ordinarily such nonsense does not deserve to be dignified with a response. But because of the raging controversy over Mel Gibson's forthcoming movie, "The Passion of the Christ," his father's statements are gaining international attention. <snip>

<snip>But Mel Gibson's Holocaust problem extends far beyond his father's lunatic-fringe opinions. In an interview in the forthcoming March issue of Reader's Digest, Gibson had this to say about his father: "My dad taught me my faith and I believe what he taught me. The man never lied to me in his life" --a curious remark, considering his father's many lies about the Holocaust. Asked by the interviewer if he believed the Holocaust had happened, the actor replied: "Yes, of course. Atrocities happen. War is horrible. World War Two killed tens of millions of people. Some of them were Jews in concentration camps."

Mel Gibson may not have been denying the Holocaust, but he was certainly distorting and minimizing it. Instead of acknowledging that the Nazis carried out a deliberate strategy of genocide, he reduced the Jewish victims to the same kind of accidental and random casualties that take place in every war. In his view, the Jews were only "some" of the many people who died in World War Two. <snip>

http://www.wymaninstitute.org/articles/2004-02-gibson.php



From Mel's dad:

"It's all - maybe not all fiction - but most of it is," he said, adding that the gas chambers and crematoria at camps like Auschwitz would not have been capable of exterminating so many people.

"Do you know what it takes to get rid of a dead body? To cremate it?" he said. "It takes a litre of petrol and 20 minutes. Now, six million of them? They (the Germans) did not have the gas to do it. That's why they lost the war."



Gibson's father caused a furore last year when he made similar remarks in a New York Times article.

In a television interview with Diane Sawyer this week, Mel Gibson accused the Times of taking advantage of his father, and he warned Sawyer against broaching the subject again<snip>


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8727351%5E1702,00.html


Gibson also gave his 2 cents on the Terri Schiavo issue. :puke: AND some guy in Oregon wants Gibson to run for PRESIDENT in '08! :puke: Just what we need...Mel Gibson as President. :(

I know, I know...the link/article is from WND, but STILL...the guy has bought domain names for Gibson 2008. :scared:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ELECTION 2008
Mel Gibson pushed
for president
Activist inspired by actor's stand on Schiavo, says his charisma needed

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: April 6, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Ron Strom
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Inspired by Mel Gibson's strong stand against the dehydration death of Terri Schiavo, an Oregon businessman has begun a campaign to see the "Passion" director run for president as a Republican in 2008, saying he's the only potential candidate who has the star power and charisma needed to keep Democrat Hillary Clinton out of the White House. <snip>


<snip>Gibson was outspoken last week on the eve of Schiavo's death, calling it "a prolonged and cruel execution."

"It's just completely wrong to deprive this poor woman of food and water," he told radio talk-show host Sean Hannity. Brain-injured 15 years ago, Schiavo died 13 days after her feeding tube was removed by court order.

Without naming names, Gibson implicated the Bushes for not doing more to save Schiavo:

"It's nothing more than state-sanctioned murder. All the big guys, they all have their hands tied up by some tinhorn judge down there. Come on, when they want to whip a judge, they got no problem doing that. Look what they did to in a heartbeat. So they can do it if they want. They just don't want to."<snip>

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43659

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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:50 AM
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1. I don't watch Mel Gibson films anymore...
even the ones I used to like.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:52 AM
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2. Me either and he USE TO BE one of my favorite actors.
I loved his movies. I'll never watch them again.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:05 AM
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6. I started to watch "The Passion" and literally could not continue.
It was, to me, blatently anti-semitic, and it disgusted me. "The Patriot" was corny and simple, so much so that it mocked American history.

But I loved Braveheart and still do, and I'm currently wondering about Gibson the actor versus Gibson the director. He seems to have a lack of balance as a director. Could this be? Or did something happen to him? What happened?
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:15 AM
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8. Nor I.
"The Patriot" was the last movie of his I enjoyed, even though it was "Braveheart" with pants and muskets.

He came off his spool with that fucked-up "Signs" flick.

I did NOT even want to watch "The Passion of The Mel".

And didn't I read that one of the reasons his dad moved the family to 'Styrlia was that there were too many of "THOSE" people (non-white, non-Catholic) in the US for his tastes?

Gibson is a fucking Fundy RW whack-job and he'll not get another nickel from me.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:54 AM
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3. Gibson- a true Fucknut
His kind are always popular with Fascist Regimes. May he rot in his own perceived hell, with his evil old man right beside him.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:58 AM
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4. Plus, the Patriot sucked.
Though, I don't understand this whole ooga booga Mel is so bad thing that goes on at DU. Trust me, no one's successfully proselytizing with the Passion film, it's not that good of a movie.

Mel's not said he voted for Bush, ever, even though he's obviously conservative. That goes a way with me.

Do I care what he thinks about the Terri Schiavo thing? Not really. We all here had differing opinions.

I don't think Mel deserves any grief from his kooky dad--plenty of DUers and liberals have cuckoobananas parents. Mel's quote in the story is kind of picked apart, and what would have been preferable would be if the reporter, instead of editorializing, would have pressed him for a better/in depth quote.

He movied to Australia when he was very young. That's why he's reported to be Australian.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:15 AM
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7. Just because he hasn't said who he voted for
makes him OK? That's an interesting take on a religious RW wacko nut job. You have to know he voted for the idiot.

I CARE about him sticking his nose in the Schiavo case. The woman suffered enough. He should have kept his big mouth shut. All he was trying to do was help his religious RW wacko nut jobs who were EXPLOITING the woman for their own political agenda. They're trying to take over our country...just in case you haven't noticed.

As for his kooky dad. Me thinks Mel agrees with his kooky dad which makes him just as kooky. If he didn't agree with his dad, he'd refute what he said. Most people would, but Mel didn't. I don't trust that man as far as I can throw him.

Mel Gibson = Nazi connection

George Bush = Nazi connection

Arnold Schwarzenegger = Nazi connection

Why are they all RWers?????
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:26 AM
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10. His films' history suck
OK so it is standard Hollywood treatment, but one has to wonder at his extreme committment to historical views when facts are twisted like pretzels around the romaticization of the Mel Hero. At least he didn't actually play the Christ role, presumably because the temptation to go ballistic with the cleansing of the Temple might have carried over to a full revolt in the streets.

The lead hero actors who take themselves too seriously usually get to point of confusing reality with the role and churning out one self-ingratiating turkey after another. He needs a long stint in not making his own films.
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sled Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:00 AM
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5. What would Jesus film?
Looks like you've got your supporters...yes indeedy...

http://www.musicforamerica.org/node/70793

Excerpt:

If you want a real laugh- go over to nutcase central FreeRepublic and
read those simple minded cretons rip Mel a new one. I mean didn't that
wacky ass liberal read the part of the bible where it says "thou shalt
support the president of the united states, even though he's dumb as a
pet goat, and created the biggest foreign blunder in US history"? Mel
just bought himself a one way ticket to hell (where he'll meet all the
Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Agnostics, Queers, and Shriners).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1317840/posts
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:18 AM
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9. Gibson formula...
man with superior fighting abilities who doesn't want to fight - man falls in love/loves his family - man avoids current conflict to focus on building life without violence - man's love interest/family members is murdered by the "bad" politicos - man becomes one-man death machine in the name of justice.

Seen one, seen 'em all.
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La Coliniere Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:46 AM
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11. One of the great films of the 80s was...
"The Year of Living Dangerously" IMHO. But it really wasn't because of Gibson. Just about any young actor of the time could've played that role. It's one of the few Gibson films where the story isn't driven by his narcissistic ego. Linda Hunt steals every scene she's in. I highly recommend this film if you'haven't seen it. It's a "romance" that takes place during the last years of the corrupt dictator Sukarno's rule over Indonesia.
I considered both "Braveheart" and "The Patriot" simpleton cinema. I too couldn't believe how he riled up the Christian masses with his "The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre" . Scary indeed. Why did he use such anglo actors if his aim was authenticity? The number of people I know and respect really felt they were watching reality!!!!!!!!!!! Yikes.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:09 AM
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12. Too bad Mel is in that movie. I won't watch it, but
it sounds good. Darn it. I have never seen Braveheart or The Patriot, but I really liked his Leathal Weapons movies.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:32 AM
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13. gallipoli was a fabulous movie....
gibson really believes, but his christ seems harsh and better suited to military wolfpack hazing then the christ who was moved at sight of suffering, or who felt anger at hypocrisy and greed hiding in churches....the passion of thee christ somehow avoided one of the biggest problems depicting the crucifixion has had through history (this is something never even mentioned in reagards gibson's movie) jesus was naked upon the cross; how did the xian artists portray that? They simply put a tiny loincloth on the statues and in the pictures; figleafs....but still i've never heard (i have never watched 'passion otc) how gibson dealt with the nakedness issue...
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