Shinnecock Tribes plans lawsuit, seeks most of the Hamptons

[azndndude]

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/12/nyregion/12tribe.html?

[GetTheRightVote]

1. Way to go, I hope they have the proof for it, poor wealthy people

They could be kicked out of their homes, crying for them all,
:sarcasm:

[Cleita]

5. It won't go anywhere.

An ancestor of mine found a deed in a Bible to what amounted to a third of Manhattan, when it was New Amersterdam. The story was that when the British took it over and renamed it New York, the displaced Dutch moved to Pennsylvania. After the Revolutionary War, the new American government told the disenfranchised Dutch that they could go reclaim the land the English had taken away from them.

My ancestor never did for some unkown reason but the deed got passed down generation to generation. The ancestor who filed this lawsuit in 1861 was turned down because there was a statute of limitation or some other legal excuse offered to make this go away.

Since the Dutch bought their land from the natives, although the native's concept of land ownership was different than theirs, (the natives thought the Dutch were buying rights to hunt there or so I have been told), the Dutch patroons had a better claim on the land than land that they just took away from the natives.

I'm sure the Hamptons will never be given back to the natives, even though they have a better claim, than a third of Manhattan would be given back to my ancestor.

[H2O Man]

8. They have a much older title.

It is not based on deeds.

[Cleita]

9. Still won't go anywhere. They will find some legal means

of voiding it. With all those super rich people there? You'd better believe they will have a legal team to fight them.

[H2O Man]

10. Land claims suits

are actually quite successful. They will not result in evictions, of course, but that's not the idea. A small group of Oneida's won two US Supreme Court cases against the state of New York in the 1980s. I think we could agree that the state is a larger oponent than a wealthy county. Since the Oneida case(s), which set a framework for others, land claim suits do quite well. And the Shinnecocks will have attorneys who are just as capable as their opposition. If Harriet Starleaf Gumbs helped set the groundwork, the Shinnecocks are in a good position.

[Cleita]

11. I hope they pull it off.

Good luck to them.:-)

[knowbody0]

2. this trend is spreading

the Tulalip Tribes in the pacific northwest have notified homeowners that the beach front land they've been leasing for over 30 years will no longer be renewing the leases.
it is a beautiful thing.

[shadowknows69]

4. the hamptons?

Yeah, good luck with that. I'm supportive but pessimistic.

[karlrschneider]

3. Rotsa ruck.

(I mean that literally but gotta be realistic)
:grr:

[azndndude]

6. Remember "LIBERTY and JUSTICE FOR ALL"?????

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. EXCELLENT! I hope they win!

:bounce: