A/P's first and only article on the DSM is DISAPPEARING!

[stickdog]

About 2 hours ago, I searched for "eight-page memo was written in advance" on google news and came up with 121 hits.

I just went back to the 41-50 results window I had up and pressed on a few links:

http://www.natchezdemocrat.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.tristate-media.com/articles/2005/06/10/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.helenair.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.bdtonline.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.pbcommercial.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.sfexaminer.com/articles/2005/06/10/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.skagitvalleyherald.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

:wtf:

[rodeodance]

1. umm..error messages showed up for me--maybe new head line?

[stickdog]

2. From results 51-60

http://www.poteaudailynews.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://myopr.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.maysville-online.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

[psychopomp]

3. Thats weird

[kliljedahl]

4. Barely shows up on Google news

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[zapp]

5. It's gone

I just checked also and cannot find it anywhere.

[stickdog]

6. From results 31-40

http://www.santamariatimes.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.journalnet.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.lodinews.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.mccurtain.com/articles/2005/06/02/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.clintonherald.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.bentoncourier.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://hjnews.townnews.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

[zapp]

7. Found it in Yahoo News

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050612/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_postwar;_ylt=AumepK4fdzn3oboiIZ6u081w24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl">Article

[Canuckistanian]

Nope. Been 404'ed too

I'd say VERY weird.

[helderheid]

11. nope

The page cannot be displayed
The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.

[Jose Diablo]

29. Well, The link message you have is incorrect

Look:

http://http//news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050612/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_postwar;_ylt=AumepK4fdzn3oboiIZ6u081w24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Notice the second http, thats not the correct link, try this:

Article


Edit: As for the rest, I don't know, I wonder if someone is messing with DNS routing tables someplace, or maybe we ARE seeing a professional news 'spiking' of a story in operation.

[stickdog]

8. From results 21-30

http://itemonline.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.durantdemocrat.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.boonvilledailynews.com/articles/2005/05/05/apindex/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.cheboygannews.com/articles/2005/06/10/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.brenhambanner.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.jg-tc.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.dhonline.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

[KLF44]

9. Don't you know yet!

They had to run the most important story about how Arubans prayed with the missing teen parent. (sarcasm)

[stickdog]

10. From result 11-20

http://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/articles/2005/06/10/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.selmatimesjournal.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ats-ap_intl16jun12,0,5679058.story

:WTF: is up with this one?

http://www.picayuneitem.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

[Dragonfli]

12. Someone just got the memo to scrub the memo (minutes)

Preemptive retraction?
Someone must have gotten fired for thinking the AP was a news agency. The problem has since been rectified I gather.
:tinfoilhat: The official Ministry of truth clean-up crew has been dispatched, the memory hole is being "stoked up" and our freedoms are thus being "preserved".
All hail our glorious leader!
war is peace!

[SpiralHawk]

13. Never fear, the BushCo Ministry of Truth (and Propaganda)

is all over this "peculiarity" and has been for some time.

So you can safely turn to the color comics page in your local Sunday advertising rag, and ignore all this DSM hullaballoo. It will just give you a headache anyway.

In other words: Move on. There is nothing to see here.

Big BushCo loves you.

[stickdog]

14. From results 61-70

http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alqiao2.txt

[enid602]

15. ??????????

Let me see if I've got this right. Stickdog googled the latest DSM minutes a couple of hours ago, and got a long list of newspaper sites which were carrying an AP story re: said minutes. When you go to each of the sites now (and I did), you get an error message saying that file cannot be found or has been pulled. Sounds like Rove has been busy on the phone this AM.

[stickdog]

16. From results 71-80

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alqiao2.txt

http://www.tahlequahdailypress.com/articles/2005/06/10/ap/headlines/d8alqiao2.txt

http://www.news-tribune.net/articles/2005/06/11/apindex/headlines/d8alqiao2.txt

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alqiao2.txt

http://www.columbiabasinherald.com/articles/2005/06/10/ap/headlines/d8alqiao2.txt

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alqiao2.txt

http://www.beloitdailynews.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alqiao2.txt

http://www.bonnercountydailybee.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alqiao2.txt

[stickdog]

17. From results 81-90

http://www.portervillerecorder.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alqiao2.txt

http://www.petoskeynews.com/articles/2005/06/10/ap/headlines/d8alqiao2.txt

http://www.dailyinterlake.com/articles/2005/06/11/ap/headlines/d8alqiao2.txt

http://www.challengernky.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

[Dragonfli]

18. Is this the article being Scrubbed?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-iraq-postwar,1,1467624.story?coll=sns-ap-world-headlines&ctrack=1&cset=true

..U.K. Memo Said to Question Postwar Plan
By Associated Press
WASHINGTON -- A staff paper prepared for British Prime Minister Tony Blair eight months before the invasion of Iraq concluded that U.S. military officials were not planning adequately for a postwar occupation, The Washington Post reported.

"A post-war occupation of Iraq could lead to a protracted and costly nation-building exercise," authorities of the briefing memo wrote, according to the Post. "As already made clear, the U.S. military plans are virtually silent on this point. Washington could look to us to share a disproportionate share of the burden."

...

[stickdog]

26. Yep. It still returns 122 google news hits, but if you actually click on

all of them, at least 44 have disappeared.

Try it yourself. Search google news for "eight-page memo was written in advance" (type in the quotes).

Then press "sort by date".

The links on the first page and the last 3 pages are all still there. In the middle pages (within results 11-90), more than half of them are now gone. It's like somebody handed you a wad of cash except half of the bills in the middle are just blank green paper.

[Hissyspit]

34. Mine said "did not match any results"

[oxbow]

19. What should we do?

I'm nominating this thread and hoping we can come up with something to do together to counteract this media ops bullshit

[Spazito]

20. When I google the same phrase as you I get 122 hits

and when I check the links the articles are there:

http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&ned=ca&q=%22eight-page+memo+was+written+in+advance%22&ie=UTF-8&filter=0

for example:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-iraq-postwar,1,3680837.story?coll=chi-news-hed


I am now very confused, lol.

[stickdog]

21. Press on your hits (sorted by date) starting on page 4.

At least 44 of the 122 are now gone!

[Spazito]

23. Wow, that is very weird!

Thanks for pointing that out, I had only checked to page 3 and assumed the rest were the same!

[Dragonfli]

25. Is your ISP Canadian?

Maybe they are trying out a nifty new Chinese inspired "Internets filter" here in the US.
For our own safety of course

[helderheid]

22. Tell the Times about this!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3839506&mesg_id=3839506

[kittenpants]

24. What the hell? Not cool, big brother! n/t

[Career Prole]

27. There's a common thread, it seems...

And that's http://www.townnews.com/ which serves wire stories to all the disappeared papers I've checked.

Check the members index...
http://www.townnews.com/members/

They list the papers by state. I think that's who flushed the story...not the individual papers.

[Pirate Smile]

30. Well, I guess we need to research this site. Who are they and why

would they pull it?

[Career Prole]

31. International Newspaper Network. CEO Marc Wilson

Majority partner Lee Enterprises since 1996.

[Dragonfli]

28. Down to just 4 stories

[stickdog]

32. No, sort those by date. It says 233 total, but that's a lie.

When you go to the actually links, half of them are missing.

[Spazito]

33. Did you click on the link that says

"repeat the search with the omitted results included?

When I did that, I was able to get more links but the same ones listed above have been scrubbed.

[seafan]

35. LOOK! Right-click on any of these headlines and here's what I found!

Right-click on any of these headlines in your post, and here is what comes up in the properties info:

http ://dragonflihost.net/googlescrub.gif



Seriously, folks, this looks like a coordinated effort to scrub these news pieces. Maybe we can find out more about who is behind this. This is very ominous.

(I inserted an extra space after the http to get the text of the link to appear.)

on edit, I see your nickname in this link... What the hey is going on?

[Dragonfli]

36. I posted a screen capture to my own site

to show that only 4 sources are now left. to show they are being scrubbed
I think they will all disappear soon and i wanted to document it!\
thats all that is!

[seafan]

39. Thanks. This is very, very ominous. n/t

[icehenge]

I'm not seeing this

I right clicked on one of the four headlines and clicked
properties. How do I see what your saying?

[chalky]

38. Actually, I think that's just the name of the file of Dragonfli's

screencapture. None of the links on that screencapture are active.

[DWolper]

37. Sorry.....No Conspiracy Here

Associated Press articles appearing on newspaper/TV/Radio sites "expire" depending on the subscription arrangement with each individual news outlet. Some expire after as little as 12 hours, many after 24 hours. They automatically return an error message after expiration. Some of the larger markets will rewrite AP copy to keep an exclusively AP report longer. These AP stories are simply expiring - no conspiracy.

[tx_dem41]

40. LOL....so it appears so.

Now that's funny! Thanks for teaching me something new today.

[stickdog]

42. Wrong. Not a single one of these articles was 12 hours old when they

disappeared.

So please, try again. And cut it with the condescension next time.

I'm not saying it's a "conspiracy." I'm simply commenting on a true event, and looking for an explanation. When I first noticed the articles disappearing, they were all between 4 and 10 hours old according to google news.

[Penguin31]

41. Try without the dots in UK

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-iraq-postwar,1,1467624.story%3Fcoll%3Dsns-ap-world-headlines

[Dragonfli]

43. No, that just gives you those "related stories"

the search is, I believe, for a specific AP Story.
That Story is disappearing before our eyes
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Memo+Said+to+Question+Postwar+Plan%22&btnG=Search+News

I just don't know what to think.
The story is disappearing.
There were several pages of listings for that AP article, then super fast, only 4 sources on one page left.
but is this just a matter of natural course, or a "cleansing"?
Does anybody know for sure if this is business as usual,
or a deliberate attempt to reduce the impact and sources of an incriminating story?

[MelissaB]

44. This happened to me earlier, but the all started working again later.

I wore the tinfoil hat then.

Start at post #38 here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3837596#3838673

[tx_dem41]

45. Notice that they are all disappearing now when they hit the 11 hour mark.

Very systematically. Typical for wire stories that aren't in print editions yet, I believe.

My ruling: No conspiracy. FWIW

[stickdog]

48. Except that 44 of them disappeared long before the 12 hour mark.

Many were less than 6 hour old.

This one:

http://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/articles/2005/06/10/ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt

for example, just turned 12 hours old according to google news.

Yet I confirmed that it was missing on this thread three hours ago. Why?

[tx_dem41]

49. I google news articles everyday.

Its not uncommon for something to hit the wire and suddenly get 300+ hits. Then, if its not put into the print edition of that local paper, it disappears. I.E. I've observed this behavior numerous times.

[stickdog]

51. You are confusing the issue. 44 of these links went missing when this

story was between 4 and 9 hours old. Why?

Now that many of these are over 12 hours old, you are trying to foist the explanation that they expire after 12 hours.

But you are full of crap. I've been watching this story since I woke up this morning to see how many papers carried this story. Look at this page right now:

http://tinyurl.com/avy5l

Now that these storied have been posted for over 12 hours, you say, "See, they expired after 12 hours."

However, it's now after 7:00 PM EDT. And I posted that they were already missing right here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3841240&mesg_id=3841334&page=

almost 4 hours ago.

So are you telling me that these wire stories expired in less than 8 hours? What the hell kind of new service would that be?

I don't believe that wire stories expire in 12 hours, either, and you've offered nothing but your say so as evidence of that contention. But even if you are correct about these supposed 12 hour wire licenses (which I find highly doubtful), THAT'S DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY THESE 44 LINKS DISAPPEARED LONG BEFORE THEY'D BEEN POSTED FOR 12 HOURS.

[tx_dem41]

52. Yep...observed.

[warrior1]

46. I got 995

From Google news: The Downing Street Memo.

[ellenfl]

47. maybe each paper has archived them on their site? eom

[Catbird]

50. Something more is going on?

Search rerun exactly as originally posted by stickdog. 15 hits.
-- including yahoo, aol, and freerepublic (but not du).

Search rerun without quote marks. 774 hits.
--Many not related to the intended memo. There seem to be a lot of eight page memos on a variety of topics out there. Is there some secret guideline on memo writing that I don't know about?

Search within previous result for Blair. 251 hits.
--More newspapers show up here, including some which did not use the exact wording originally requested (e.g., Washington Post).

Search for american idol winner AP: about 193,000 hits
--I checked about 10 newspapers here. Only one story not available. (I admit this is a small sample.) Some of the AP stories were dated June 9, over 48 hours ago. A Chicago Tribune article was dated May 26. Note that even the dead link was still returned by Google.

Search for "jury instructions were too broad": 3,730 hits
Search for "jury instructions were too broad" Enron: 3,720 hits
--This was a search for the AP article on the Supreme Court decision overturning the conviction of Arthur Andersen. The AP version of this news is still available at many newspapers, some of which explicitly state that archives are available for 14 days. For example, the Casper Star Tribune, which was on stickdog's original post and apparently does not currently have the eight-page memo story, does have the earlier Enron story and many other AP stories available.

Since many other AP stories are available from the newspapers in question, it appears that something more is going on here than simple expiration. However, I do not have a background in journalism and would appreciate it if someone who does would expand upon the comment by DWolper.

[evermind]

53. Dunno - 122 results on "eight page memo was written"

try it here

What do you get?

[Catbird]

55. Google News vs. Google Web

You get 122 hits when doing this search on Google News and 15 on Google Web. It's the same whether or not quotes or hyphens are used.

Even with the 122 hits, there still seem to be a lot of 404's or equivalent.

[stickdog]

57. Yes. Now go to the bottom of the second page of results

and start clicking on the actual links.

About half of the links in results 11-90 bring up an error page.

[spanone]

54. Kick!!!!!!!!!!!1

[muriel_volestrangler]

56. Note that nearly all the links you give have the same form

ending in 'ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt' . I think this means that all the newspapers use the same set of headline stories from AP - so if the AP editor removes it, it automatically gets removed from all 44 (or however many are affected) at once. For instance, compare the story list at http://www.natchezdemocrat.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines and http://www.tribstar.com/articles/2005/06/12/ap/headlines - they're identical.

[stickdog]

58. Yep. I think it got yanked at the "home office" so to speak.

All of the links without that format are there. And all of the links with that 'ap/headlines/d8alv5ro1.txt' format all LONG gone.

[snot]

59. C.f. DU post at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=104&topic_id=3841410&mesg_id=3841410

If you go to the Minneapolis Star Tribune article referred to, you'll find the discussion concerns how the StarTrib learned about the DSM from e-mails from readers, then waited around for a wire service to break the story . . .

""We were frustrated the wires weren't providing stories on this," McGrath said. Finally, he gave up waiting for the wires and assigned reporter Sharon Schmickle to write about it -- despite the geographic disadvantage of reporting from Minneapolis on a story breaking in London."

[redacted]

60. KIck! Needs more investigation.

[goclark]

61. kick for answers

[fooj]

62. You bet! Kick is right!

:kick:

[0rganism]

63. I get 154 hits now, can't say for sure how many are the same article

It still isn't in google's headlines, though.

[Douglas Carpenter]

64. Even though-Let's still keep it up on the media--there is progress

:bounce:





Just a reminder of some very, very important links:



To sign Congressman Conyers’ letter



http://www.johnconyers.campaignoffice.com





To put and keep pressure on the Mainstream Media:



http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/takeaction.html#awaken





http://www.afterdowningstreet.org





C-SPAN Ask--them to cover the Hearing on Thursday, 16 June:



[e-mail]





Peace

O8)



Here is my standard letter to the Media:





Dear Sir/Madam:



As you know, on May 1 of this year a document now commonly referred to as “|The Downing Street Memo” was released into the British Press. This document raises serious question about how the administration was handling intelligence related to Iraq and appears to suggest that the Bush Administration had already decided on war when publicly it was claiming that no such decision had been made. Now further documents have been released in the British media which cast even further doubts.



These documents and other documents suggest that the Bush administration was determined to “fix intelligence” around a predetermined policy. Some of these documents make it clear that the administration had no credible plan for dealing with the post-war occupation.



It is most disturbing that there has been a virtual media blackout regarding “The Downing Street Minutes” and other disturbing documents.



Even more disturbing is the absence in the America media of any credible in-depth follow-up discussion or coverage regarding strong, credible and independent evidence that the Bush Administration intentionally mislead the U.S. Congress, the media and the American people.



I do hope you will accept the responsibility to address this issue and provide serious investigative journalism into this matter.



Furthermore, on Thursday June 16, 2005, Rep. John Conyers, Jr., ranking minority member of the House Judiciary Committee, and other House members will hold a hearing to consider testimony concerning the Downing Street minutes and questions of possible fixing of prewar intelligence. I do hope you will be giving full coverage to these events.



Sincerely,

[DS1]

65. Oh, I see your insisting that a small snippet of the document is

the search criteria in order to further your hysteria.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[goclark]

66. This deserves a kick until we get answers