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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 03:02 PM
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DOWNING STREET DOCUMENTS -- Two Briefcases Full
veddy interrresting, have a read.

<http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/12/1547/01037>
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 03:09 PM
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1. Kicked.
n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 03:17 PM
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2. kick again
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 03:26 PM
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3. "The game's afoot, Watson!"--love it (and so right on)!!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 03:28 PM
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4. BRIEFCASE TEN:.....Cartoon File: Bush's Poodle; Bushism..te he good sense
of humor


.....BRIEFCASE TEN:Extra Strength Tylenol, Cartoon File: Bush's Poodle; Bushisms; Press Conferences: McClellan, Mehlman, Hume, McCain, Whizbang, Bush & Blair; Two pair queen size Leggs Control Top tights, off black; 10 gel ink pens; 40 cigarettes: Major, Rothmanns, Carrols, and John Player Blues; Passport; Wallet; Eyeglasses: tinted bi-focals; Love Notes from Friends; lint and crumpled notes.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 03:39 PM
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5. memo about chat with Condi.

from your post;


SECRET - STRICTLY PERSONAL
FROM: DAVID MANNING
DATE: 14 MARCH 2002
CC: JONATHAN POWELL; PRIME MINISTER

YOUR TRIP TO THE US

I had dinner with Condi on Tuesday; and talks and lunch with her and an NSC team on Wednesday (to which Christopher Meyer also came). These were good exchanges, and particularly frank when we were one-on-one at dinner. I attach the record in case you want to glance.

IRAQ: We spent a long time at dinner on IRAQ. It is clear that Bush is grateful for your support and has registered that you are getting flak. I said that you would not budge in your support for regime change but you had to manage a press, a Parliament and a public opinion that was very different than anything in the States. And you would not budge either in your insistence that, if we pursued regime change, it must be very carefully done and produce the right result. Failure was not an option... Condi`s enthusiasm for regime change is undimmed. But there were some signs, since we last spoke, of greater awareness of the practical difficulties and political risks. (See the attached piece by Seymour Hersh which Chrisopher Meyer says gives a pretty accurate picture of the uncertain state of the debate in Washington.)

From what she said, Bush has yet to find the answers to the big questions:

* how to persuade international opinion that military action against Iraq is necessary and justified;

* what value to put on the exiled Iraqi opposition

* how to coordinate a US/allied military campaign with internal opposition (assuming there is any)

* what happens on the morning after?

Bush will want to pick your brains. He will also what to hear whether he can expect coalition support. I told Condi that we realized that the Administration could go it alone if it chose. But if it wanted company, it would have to take account of the concerns of its potential coalition partners. In particular:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 03:41 PM
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6. nominated--lots of infomation here.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 03:56 PM
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7. Wow -- just wow!
And the train just keeps on rolling along...
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:00 PM
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10. Drip drip drip....
:popcorn:
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 03:58 PM
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8. Thanks for leading me to that post. Was verrry happy to see further down
in the thread that a link had been posted to zipped files of those released documents that had been posted and later removed.
I made sure to grab them while they were still available.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 03:59 PM
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9. Woops, missed this before I posted a link to 6 of the DS Docs...
http://members.ispwest.com/krs/leaks-brief.zip

6 in pdf format, feel free to d/l everybody
;-)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:17 PM
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11. YOUR VISIT TO THE RANCH
<snip>YOUR VISIT TO THE RANCH

No doubt we need to keep a sense of perspective. But my talks with Condi convinced me that Bush wants to hear your views on Iraq before taking decisions. He also wants your support. He is still smarting from the comments by other European leaders on his Iraq policy.

This gives you real influence: on th public relations strategy; on the UN and weapons insepections; and on the US planning for any military campaign. This could be critically important. I think there is a real risk that the Administration underestimates the difficulties. They may agree that failure isn't an option, but this does not mean that they will avoid it.

Will the Sunni majority really respond to an uprising led by Kurds and Shias? Will Americans really put in enough ground troops to do the job if the Kurdish/Shi'ite strategem fails? Even if they do will they be willing to take the sort of casualties that the Republican Guard may inflict on them if it turns out to be an urban war, and Iraqi troops don't conveniently collapse in a heap as Richard Perle and others confidently predict? They need to answer these and other tough questions, in a more convincing way than they have so far before concluding that they can do the business.

The talks at the ranch will also give you the chance to push Bush on the Middle East. The iraq factor means that there may never be a better opportunity to get this Administration to give sustained attention to reviving the MEPP.

DAVID MANNING

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:19 PM
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12. The House of Bush is FALLING!!!
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 04:19 PM by in_cog_ni_to
I can feel it in my bones! :bounce:
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:25 PM
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13. and I'm wondering what will happen to Blair...
If this is real...holy shit!


:kick:

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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:27 PM
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14. Oh! Goody goody!
I think our DU researchers will be into this!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:36 PM
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15. BWAHAHAHAHA!
I love the tenth suitcase!

And this:

The market for British intelligence is on an upswing.

Oh, my. No shit!!! :rofl:
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icehenge Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:58 PM
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16. Karl Rove?
So no one else thinks these new documents "YOUR TRIP TO THE US"
are a bit suspicious? They seem to read differently to me then
the dowing street minutes memo.
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icehenge Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:20 PM
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18. Kick
Anyone want to comment?:evilfrown:
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:29 PM
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17. Thanks shraby! kick!
Oodles and oodles of information to share.

*email frenzy*

:dem:

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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:32 PM
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19. Let's keep at the media--we're getting somewhere
:bounce:


Just a reminder of some very, very important links:

To sign Congressman Conyers’ letter

http://www.johnconyers.campaignoffice.com


To put and keep pressure on the Mainstream Media:

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/takeaction.html#awaken


http://www.afterdowningstreet.org


LISTEN TO THE RANDI RHODES SHOW-to keeps up daily with what’s going on with--THE DOWNING STREET MEMO:

http://www.therandirhodesshow.com


Peace
O8)

Here is my standard letter to the Media:


Dear Sir/Madam:

As you know, on May 1 of this year a document now commonly referred to as “|The Downing Street Memo” was released into the British Press. This document raises serious question about how the administration was handling intelligence related to Iraq and appears to suggest that the Bush Administration had already decided on war when publicly it was claiming that no such decision had been made. Now further documents have been released in the British media which cast even further doubts.

These documents and perhaps other documents suggest that the Bush administration was determined to “fix intelligence” around a predetermined policy. Some of these documents make it clear that the administration had no credible plan for dealing with the post-war occupation.

It is most disturbing that there has been a virtual media blackout regarding “The Downing Street Memo” and other disturbing documents.

Even more disturbing is the absence in the America media of any credible in-depth follow-up discussion or coverage regarding strong, credible and independent evidence that the Bush Administration intentionally mislead the U.S. Congress, the media and the American people.

I do hope you will accept the responsibility to address this issue and provide serious investigative journalism into this matter.

Furthermore, on Thursday June 16, 2005, Rep. John Conyers, Jr., ranking minority member of the House Judiciary Committee, and other House members will hold a hearing to consider testimony concerning the Downing Street minutes and questions of possible fixing of prewar intelligence. I do hope you will be giving full coverage to these events.

Sincerely,
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 11:52 PM
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20. WOW!! Everyone needs to mail this to Howard Dean and Harry Reid.
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