so Biden is calling for a draft

[still_one]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050612/ts_alt_afp/usiraqrecruitment

"US will 'have to face' military draft dilemma: senator

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States will "have to face" a painful dilemma on restoring the military draft as rising casualties result in persistent shortfalls in US army recruitment, a top US senator warned.

"We're going to have to face that question," Biden said on NBC's "Meet the Press" television show when asked if it was realistic to expect restoration of the draft.

"The truth of the matter is, it is going to become a subject, if, in fact, there's a 40 percent shortfall in recruitment. It's just a reality," he said."

Let's see, biden voted to give these jerks the authority to go into iraq, even though there was enough evidence to show they were NOT a threat, and we needed to take care of Afganistan.

biden and MBNA can kiss my ASS!!!

[LaurenG]

1. Oh no not Biden

He can draft his own happy ass and every one in his own family. Democratic A**hole of the year.

[seabeyond]

6. biden son is in military i believe

but i think there is another reason for dems to be suggesting draft, not to mention reality and a real problem. what bush is going to just pretend there isnt a problem? doesnt work that way. will have to watch and see. but i am not attacking biden because he and rangel and others has put this out. i think we are going to have to have a draft too. i have two sons, i dont say this easily. see how the country does with that. but as it is our military cant continue as they are. hands are going to have to be forced here

[still_one]

11. well, my kid isn't going

I remember the folly of Nam, and these jerks running the country are even more STUPID

I don't agree with biden or rangel on this. It was because of biden's and others incompentence that we are in this situation

Why should people's children suffer for their mistakes?

pull out of IRAQ now, problem solved

If we don't in 7 to 10 years from now we will realize why we cannot occupy a country in the middle of a civil war that we created

[seabeyond]

16. my boys arent going either.

i am with you on it. i will help whomever to fight going.

hence, starts the shake up

over how many percent of the american people went along with this war? how many percent voted bush?

[still_one]

20. I think that is why they will delay it until after the 2006 election

[seabeyond]

21. how can they. the military is literally dyin

will be a wait and see.

[still_one]

22. political ambitions will not stop them

[FreedomAngel82]

23. Me too

I think it'll probably be a couple months to half a year when they start talking more seriously about one. But then again a lot of fundies will be upset because Bush made a promise to them. He'll lose a lot of support from the base. I think if they do one it'll be called something else as other's have suggested or it'll be a secret thing and you won't know about it until it's too late (remember they own the media).

[Jack Rabbit]

24. They can't wait that long

The crisis is at hand now. It is caused by the occupation of Iraq and the unwillingness of young Americans to serve in it.

If the neoconservative effort in Iraq is worthwhile (and I don't think for a minute that it is), then we must have a draft to compel young Americans to serve. Otherwise, it's time to quit Iraq.

[NorCalDem]

18. I sorta agree.

I think the Dems might have power to gain by moderately suggesting, or just hinting, that a draft might need to be considered. If the Repugs ever call for it, they should all fight tooth and nail, but hinting at it might help wake the public up about the serious crisis going on in Iraq. The public might be more anti-war if the notion that they might be asked to fight soon (even if that will never happen, which it could) was brought up more often.

[Trajan]

2. I am very disappointed in ole Joe B. of late ....

He really seems to be playing on the wrong team ....

And some liberals here agree with him ! ....

Sorry: our kids LIVES should not be used as chess pieces for some macabre game .....

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

Biden talks the talk and doesn't walk the walk. I'm through with him.

BTW, I'm a huge DEVO fan. What would DEVO do? excellent!

I was horrified to hear "Beautiful World" as a Target commercial a couple of years ago. The irony of using that song to sell anything was breathtaking.

I'm waiting to hear "Through with Being Cool" on an Old Navy commercial, or something similar. Then, I'll know, the natural order has been irreparably damaged. MKJ

[Vincardog]

3. No real Democrat will support a draft to enable BUSH's War

The Republicans broke the military let them tell us their plan to fix it. The REPUBLICANS took the finest military in the world and are destroying it. LET THEM FIX IT.

[AX10]

4. Why don't we start with the Executives of Biden's "MASTER"....MBNA

Then let us draft Joe "Chickenhawk" Biden next. Why did he never serve in Vietnam? He was born in 42'.

[seabeyond]

8. doesnt show biden military, rangel was

George W. Bush - National Guard back when service there meant you did not see combat. Even so, went AWOL for a year.
Dick Cheney - did not serve.
John Ashcroft, Attorney General - did not serve.
Don Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor.
Rep. Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the House - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Rep. Tom Delay, House Majority Leader - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Rep. Roy Blunt, House Majority Whip (MO) - did not serve
Dick Armey, Former House Majority Leader - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Sen. Bill Frist , Senate Majority Leader (TN) - did not serve.
Sen. Mitch McConnell, Majority Whip, (KY) - did not serve.
Sen. Rick Santorum, (PA), third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. (1)
Trent Lott, Former Senate Majority Leader (MS) - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve.
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Newt Gingrich, Former Speaker of the House - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Bill Bennett, (author of Why We Fight), did not serve.
Antonin Scalia, Supreme Court Justice, did not serve.
Clarence Thomas, Supreme Court Justice, did not serve.
Phil Gramm, former Senator. Did not serve.
Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense, did not serve.
Spencer Abraham, Secretary of Energy, did not serve.
Rep. Henry Hyde, (IL) did not serve.
Jack Kemp, did not serve.
Sen. Don Nickles, (OK) did not serve.
J. C. Watts, Former Congressman, (OK), did not serve.
Bill Simon, did not serve.
Saxby Chambliss, did not serve.
Marc Racicot, avoided the draft despite a lottery number of 23. see http://www.billingsnews.com/story?storyid=3182&issue=98

Right-wing preachers and pundits

P. J. O'Rourke (author of Give War a Chance), did not serve.
Bill Kristol, editor The Weekly Standard, did not serve.
Bill O'Reilly, Fox News celebrity, did not serve.
Sean Hannity, Fox News celebrity, did not serve.
Wolf Blitzer, CNN Newsman. Did not serve.
David Horowitz, Right Wing media hit man. Did not serve.
Mike Savage, Right Wing media hit man, did not serve.
George Will, columnist, did not serve.
Pat Robertson, politician/preacher, His US Senator daddy got him out of Korea when war began.
Ralph Reed, did not serve.
Jerry Falwell, preacher/politician, did not serve.
Ken Starr, did not serve.
Gary Bauer, politician/preacher, did not serve.
Alan Keyes, did not serve.
Roger Ailes, Fox News President, did not serve.
Rush Limbaugh, did not serve

Democrat military history
House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt - Served his country in uniform, 1965-71
House Minority Whip David Bonior - Served his country in uniform, 1968-72
Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle - Served his country in uniform, 1969-72
Former Vice President Al Gore - Served his country in uniform, 1969-71; recipient of Vietnam Service Medal
Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Congressional Medal of Honor, Vietnam
Daniel Inouye... Democrat... Congressional Medal of Honor, World War Two
John Kerry... Democrat...Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam
Charles Rangel...Democrat... Bronze Star, Korea
Max Cleland... Democrat... Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam
Howell Heflin... Democrat... Silver Star
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953.
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.


Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal. http://www.afji.com/mags/1997/Jan/VietVets.html
Ambassador "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Democratic congressman, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit http://www.af.mil/news/Apr1997/n19970414_970430.html
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: served in combat with the U.S. Army as a staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade; was wounded and received a Purple Heart. http://www.house.gov/mthompson/bio.html

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

5. "Condi, I'm going to vote for you, but first I'm going to admonish you."

That Joe Biden. He's such a frikkin' TEASE.



...oh, and a whore. He's a whore, too.

:grr:

[pacalo]

7. Seems like he's on one or more of these Sunday talk shows every week.

Why is he such a sought-after Democrat voice by the corporate media, I wonder.

[99Pancakes]

9. As soon as you reinstate the draft

All those RW Thugs will "suddenly" pull their support for the war. Right now, everybody else's kids are dying, so Repukes are LOVIN' Shrubby's war.

[demnan]

10. This is a guy who voted for the bankrupcy bill

to lick the asses of the Visa, Master and Discover cards. He is a pink tutu Democrat and I distain his membership in our party.

[MaryBear]

12. As I read the link provided, Biden did not call for a draft.

He said it will become a subject.

[Jack Rabbit]

13. How is he calling for draft?

EDITED for typing

He is merely saying that it's going to be discussed in the wake of a serious and sustained shortfall in military recruitments. That shouldn't surprise anyone. Biden's personal position on the draft itself cannot be divined from these remarks.

I would be disappointed if somebody doesn't suggest that the reason that recruiters are not meeting needed goals is that few young people want to die for a failed cause in Iraq, the reasons for which had nothing to with those stated at the onset of the invasion and occupation.

[still_one]

14. i would bet that he would be one of the first to vote for it

[Jack Rabbit]

17. I won't disagree with that bit of speculation

We can rip him up one side and down the other when he does.

Nevertheless, as a matter of fact, he did not call for one today; thus I must assert that the headline of this thread in inaccurate.

[still_one]

19. you have a point

[BeTheChange]

15. Isnt June 15, 2005...

the date which the SSS was supposed to be ready to roll out the draft if needed? Does anyone know what the status was of the report they made to the president in march?

http://www.alternet.org/story/18225/

[Just Me]

25. It's true. A draft will be necessary to support the neoCONs' wars.

Why Biden would be taking this politically suicidal stand,...I just can NOT comprehend or understand unless he is attempting to impose political pressure on the Republican party.

I take the position, both with Biden and Rangel, that pushing the draft is NOT politically savvy, at this time. That's just my position which is worth na da in the scheme of things.

[left is right]

26. the draft will be political suicide for democrats

within a year after reinstatement, it will be spun by the media as our fault and our plan. It will be democrats blamed for the massive increase in the death of inexperienced American youths, who wouldn't have been put in harm's way if not for the draft. Any democratic congress critter who votes for the draft is a fool.

[seabeyond]

27. not to be repetitive, but he isnt taking a position

from what i understand. higher up on the thread someone said biden brought up the draft as something that was going to have to be talked about? not that he was saying he is for the draft. title isnt accurate

[Kansas Wyatt]

28. So this is how BushCo. gets away with instituting a draft.

BushCo. gets the few operative Democrats (who are really Republicans) to drum up bipartisan support and scare everyone into a draft. BushCo. stands back until everyone is terrified into thinking that we must have a draft to protect and save the country, and then he will announce that he will issue the Executive Order to implement the draft due to the DEMOCRATS demands for it.

Shrub stands back, accepts no responsibility for what the Democrats wanted and shows the country how he accepts recommendations from the Democrats, but will take charge as Commander In Chief for the troops' sake. Then BushCo. and the Republicans turn around and blame the Democrats for the draft in the next election, and the Republicans will need the support of the people to keep the troops safe from the uncaring Democrats who sent them there.:puke:

It's Rove's wet dream.