Liberals were right... AGAIN.

[Zenlitened]

How many times, throughout history, have progressives been shown to be the ones who know what's-what, the ones with the right ideas on where we are and where to go next? Seems to me we are virtually always vindicated, despite the conservatives' tiresome efforts to keep the human species mired down.

The debate's over: Globe is warming

By Dan Vergano, USA TODAY

Don't look now, but the ground has shifted on global warming. After decades of debate over whether the planet is heating and, if so, whose fault it is, divergent groups are joining hands with little fanfare to deal with a problem they say people can no longer avoid.

General Electric is the latest big corporate convert; politicians at the state and national level are looking for solutions; and religious groups are taking philosophical and financial stands to slow the progression of climate change.

They agree that the problem is real. A recent study led by James Hansen of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies confirms that, because of carbon dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gases, Earth is trapping more energy from the sun than it is releasing back into space.

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And high-profile politicians from both parties are getting into the act. For example, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has called for a reduction of more than 80% over the next five decades in his state's emission of greenhouse gases that heat in the atmosphere.

Source:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-06-12-global-warming-cover_x.htm

[Inland]

1. It's already five minutes past midnight.

This environmental stuff is scaring the shit out of me.

[Deep13]

5. Easy to be an alarmist ...

... when the evidence is so alarming!

[Deep13]

2. And for 20 years we have done exactly nothing.

Actually with increasing numbers of cars, worse fuel consumption per vehicle and no progress on alternative energy, it amounts to considerably less than nothing.

[peace4all]

8. absolutely

we never survived Reagan's gutting of Carter's energy policies.
I don't remember cafe standards improving under Clinton either.
Carter had the last decent energy policy and it was immediately dismantled.

[Deep13]

9. Clinton said on the radio ...

... that even when he had a D Congress there was still no chance of getting the cafe standards improved.

[Tsiyu]

3. They hate us for our superior braincells!

baby, we will ALWAYS be right. ;)

[Lerkfish]

4. FWIW, I don't consider global warming a liberal vs. republican issue.

I consider it a science vs. fascism issue.

In other words, the only people making it political are the republicans, in trying to lie about it/suppress information about it.

one has to ask oneself why?

[Zenlitened]

7. Well, didn't you just contradict yourself, though?

I don't consider global warming a liberal vs. republican issue....

(snip)
... the only people making it political are the republicans.

Call 'em republicans, call 'em conservatives, call 'em robber-barons, rapists and pillagers -- they are virtually always on the wrong side of history. The wrongs side of the right thing to do.

[Lerkfish]

10. not really....

I said *I* don't consider it a political issue, but that republicans are *making it* a political issue. those two statements do not conflict.

[Zenlitened]

11. Alrighty then.

[Lerkfish]

13. in thinking about this over lunch...

maybe I was unclear.

I meant the question of whether global warming is true or impactful on the earth is apolitical, it just IS, borne out by science data.

In changing the data, or supressing it, the republicans have made the reality of global warming a political issue, because the control of the information has political repercussions/advantages in their opinion. Therefore, what should just be a black and white scientific fact, gets embroiled in a political tempest.

So, in MY opinion, science should be apolitical, but in the republican's opinion, they seem to need to make it political for some reason, by messing with the data and whatnot.

sorry for any confusion.

[AX10]

12. kick

[shadowknows69]

14. I consider it a survival of our species issue

and everyone else should too.

[Lerkfish]

15. exactly.

[swag]

6. Paging John Stossel, Michael Crighton. White courtesy clue-phone, please.