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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 12:08 PM
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This May 1 EXPOSÉ ABOUT THE U.K. ATT'Y GENERAL complements the DSM:
Published May 1, 2005 in the The Guardian (U.K.), it tells how the top lawyers of the Bush Administration strongarmed the UK attorney general and, in a series of high-pressure meetings, bullied him into agreeing that an Iraq invasion would be legal. These meetings took place in February 2003, the same month as Colin Powell's fraudulent speech before the UN. By that time, the top Bush Admin lawyers had long perfected their arguments for the war's legality and they subjected Lord Goldsmith to a bullying barrage in a series of "gruelling" meetings with five powerful lawyers of the Bush Administration. He had been sent to Washington by Jack Straw to "put some steel in his spine." The decision had already been made to invade - not that they told HIM that - and they and Blair wanted his statement as the top UK lawyer as an additional gloss on their cover story that the invasion was both legal and justified.

To me, the story of what happened to Lord Goldsmith is not only a step in crafting this whole mountain of lies and moral corruption. Here is a man who had doubts about the legality of the invasion even after all the pressure that was brought to bear on him in the UK - and the US bullies brought him to his knees. Even people who mean well, who aren't criminals, can have their consciences overwhelmed by the massed attack of these criminal bullies.

The story also reveals the special usefulness of Bush's pet torture-justifier, Mr. "The Geneva Conventions are quaint" Gonzales. How shameful that he is the top lawyer in our corrupted government. We must REMEMBER who voted for him and hold them accountable.

To put all this into context, here's a site with an excellent timeline for the unfolding of the Iraq War:
http://www.iraqtimeline.com

What the DSM and newly leaked documents reveal suggests that the Administration lawyers who bullied Goldsmith as well as their bosses are complicit.

Here is the thread where this was posted at DU on May 1:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1755978

Here are excerpts from the article:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1474190,00.html

Iraq, the secret US visit, and an angry military chief


The legality of the Iraq war exploded on to the agenda last week, causing chaos to Labour strategy. Here we reveal the key US officials who persuaded Britain that invasion was legal - and the astonishing reaction from our military chiefs
Antony Barnett, Gaby Hinsliff and Martin Bright
Sunday May 1, 2005
The Observer

(snip)

… The Observer can reveal that this great-grandson of a former Republican president {William Taft IV, U.S. State Dept.} played a critical role in persuading Goldsmith {Lord Goldsmith, the UK Attorney General} that the war against Iraq was legal. Taft was one of five powerful lawyers in the Bush administration who met the Attorney General in Washington in February 2003 to push their view that a second UN resolution was superfluous.

Goldsmith, who had been expressing doubts about the legality of any proposed war, was sent to Washington by the Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, to 'put some steel in his spine', as one official has said.

On 11 February, Goldsmith met Taft, a former US ambassador to NATO who was then chief legal adviser to the Secretary of State, Colin Powell. After a gruelling 90-minute meeting in Taft's conference room 6419, Goldsmith then met the US Attorney General, John Ashcroft, followed by a formidable triumvirate including Judge Al Gonzales, Bush's chief lawyer at the White House.

Goldsmith also met William 'Jim' Haynes, who is Defence Secretary's Donald Rumsfeld's chief legal adviser, and John Bellinger, legal adviser to Condoleezza Rice, then the National Security Adviser. This group of lawyers is as renowned for fearsome intellect as it is for hard-line conservative politics. Bellinger is alleged to have said: 'We had trouble with your Attorney; we got there eventually.' From copies of Goldsmith's legal advice to the Prime Minister published last week, it is clear that these meetings had a pivotal role in shaping Goldsmith's view that there was a 'reasonable case' for war.

(snip)


I find myself pitying Lord Goldsmith in a way. His moral compass was functioning, but first the people in his own government and then those in the Bush administration focused all their powers of lying and logic-twisting on him. For them, the end they desired justified any means they chose. For him, an ethical sense was there, was initially troubled, and was finally snuffed out by sheer bullying and lies and force of personality as he was confronted by one aggressive neocon lawyer after another. These people were fully prepared with a battery of deceptions and twists for any ethical doubts. They knew that what they were doing flouted all law and morality, and they had arguments and falsified documentation ready for people who still might harbor such quaint notions. Such bullies are so very useful to the Bush administration; it's a major reason why they want Bolton in the UN.

To me this incident is a microcosm of what must happen again and again in the subverting of moral people in the government and elsewhere to the service of the neocons. It is ugly, perverse, and tragic. And in the case of Lord Goldsmith, who was acting in a sense as the legal conscience of the UK in this, it had consequences that are still unfolding.

I don't imagine Lord Goldsmith sleeps very comfortably these days. But human maggots like Gonzales - and of course his leash-holder, Bush - do.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 12:27 PM
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1. kick for important link in timeline for 'rush to war'
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 12:50 PM
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2. Kick - this is significant. n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 01:56 PM
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3. kick n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:48 PM
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4. kick n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 04:36 PM
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5. kick - this is signficant - they LIED to the UK attorney general n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 04:41 PM
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6. Had not seen this. Thank you for posting it! Suggestion.
With all the activity, I'd suggest you not assume Congressman Conyers or the folk at downingstreetmemo.com or David Swanson at afterdowingstreet.org have this information. You should just send it to them to be sure its in their DSM portfolios.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 04:57 PM
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9. Thanks, UL. Will do. I'll also repost after the excitement over the
new documents quiets a bit.

In the meantime, we really need to be paying attention to THIS too - another thing I'll have to repost on:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1847357

This is what I call the Fat-Cat bill, HR 1316, which is now out of committee and would be utterly disastrous to any hope of recovering democracy if it is passed. It seems to be off most people's radar for some reason. (I know you've seen it, UL, but a lot of people are not paying attention to this horrible, blatant bill, which would open the door to unprecedented levels of "legal" corruption in campaign finance and election rules.)
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 07:37 PM
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12. Contacted my Rep
Thanks.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 04:47 PM
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7. kick
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 04:57 PM
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8. bookmarked
paint by numbers...
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 05:13 PM
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10. kick! n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 07:24 PM
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11. Kick - I hope this makes the Greatest page - It's an important part of the
timeline and shows the complicity of multiple Bush admin people.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 07:54 PM
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13. kick n/t
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 07:56 PM
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14. Let's keep this going!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:11 PM
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15. Thank you! But it's not yet on the Greatest page, so many will not see it
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:28 PM
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17. It is now!!
Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Please, everyone, don't stop at 500,000 signatures; don't stop at 10,000,000 signatures; don't stop until Bush and the neoconsters are indicted and prosecuted for their heinous crimes against humanity and our Constitution.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:13 PM
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16. This rocks!
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:51 PM
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18. Kickedy kick kick, and nominated.
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jn2375 Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:52 PM
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19. kick
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:57 PM
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20. Thanks
:hi:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:02 PM
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21. It seems all the pieces of the puzzle are pullling together.
The puzzle of truth is taking shape!!!

This should go down as the most egregious scam by an administration in US History.

Gawd!!! When I think everything tens of millions of people tried to do via non-violent protest to stop this fraudulent scheme for an illegal war,...I wanna' cry.

May justice, be done.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:14 PM
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22. This is a subject for new round letters to the editors.
Ask them what they are going to investigate about the high paid liars. I can see it now...all of them before the court...saying, but but but we were lied to, also.

William Taft - Chief Legal Advisor to Colin Powell
Al Gonzales - Chief Legal Advisor to George Bush
William 'Jim' Haynes - Chief Legal Advisor to Donald Rumsfeld
John Bellinger - Legal Advisor to Condaleeza Rice
John Ashcroft - U.S. Attorney General

LIARS....just plain LIARS. LYING LIARS.

Talk to those editiors. The newspapers must lead this. The right wing corporate tv is a lost cause.

All those dead. All those limbs, organs, immune systems, sleepless nights, tormented souls, ruined families and futures. That poor, poor country. All that wealth below the surface of the country and they are nearly destitute. We are barbarians.

All those players are killers.

Our country is EVIL.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:17 PM
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24. Our country isn't evil, the cartel that has stolen its government and
bullied and lied its populace into submission is evil. We can't bring back the dead or heal the traumatized, but we can stop this horror and bring those accountable for these unspeakable crimes to justice before all the world.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:26 PM
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25. They conspired to defraud.
THEY are the barbarians.
THEY are evil.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:28 PM
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26. By the way, while you're writing LTTEs, here is something VITAL: HR 1316
HR 1316, a bill that would amend the existing election laws, just left committee and has gone to the full house. It is a GOP bill and Tom DeLay really likes it. Of course.

It is corrupt and blatant beyond belief. Come to this thread and read its provisions. You won't believe it - and have you heard anything about it? No. This is a stealth bill and if it passes, bye-bye non-bought elections forever:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1847357
Thread title: Email your Reps to STOP H.R. 1316, the "Make Congress More Corrupt" Bill
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:14 PM
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23. Yes - and here are two timelines. This Goldsmith piece needs to be added
to both of them.

Here's the first timeline, a whole site on it:
http://www.iraqtimeline.com

And here's another one, just put up tonight at Raw Story to complement the additional documents also put up there today:
http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/muriel/path_of_war_timeline_613.htm
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:49 PM
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27. kick n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:05 PM
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28. kick n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:36 PM
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29. kick n/t
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:00 AM
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30. Kick and nominated
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 07:01 AM
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31. Thank you Nothing without Hope n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 07:17 AM
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32. I bet the murder of David Kelly
in July, 2003 'put some steel in his spine' too.

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:03 PM
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34. Yes, I would like to see David Kelly's murder investigation reopened.
And I do believe, like you, that it WAS murder. I wonder if it's being called for in the UK?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 04:16 PM
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36. David Kelly must fit into this scheme somehow
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 08:00 AM
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33. Thanks
:kick:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 04:12 PM
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35. THe NAMES AND CONNECTIONS of the Bush lawyers involved in this
are key - this reveals the widespread complicity in the deliberate fraud.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 06:04 PM
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37. kick
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 07:23 PM
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38. Thank you for this find
Seems the "usual suspects" are supporting this post.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 09:03 PM
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39. Thanks for being one of them, Paine. It's frustrating that more people
don't look into this, but I'm glad to have some usual suspects! :)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:31 AM
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40. kick n/t
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