Wow. A Christian American Flag.

[charlyvi]

This from Pandagon:

Wingnuts are attempting to create a Christian American flag.

Marcia Thompson Eldreth sees in the United States a Christian nation, inspired by Scripture and dedicated to propositions conveyed in biblical prophesy. She asks: Why not a U.S. national Christian flag?
"Our nation was based on Judeo-Christian principles," Eldreth said. "Blessed is the country whose God is Lord."


http://www.pandagon.net/

[Goldmund]

1. Seems like all good graphic designers are liberals...

[charlyvi]

11. Yeah. Like Betsy Ross. LOL n/t

[icymist]

35. Yeah. It looks like they copied it from that NRA sticker...

With the eagle flying in the circle thing. They got fifty stars, so I think they believe all fifty states want to come along with them! When some of the wing-nut church's begin to fly this flag is when common Joe should wake up from his dream of tax cuts and war on terra to see what the fascists really have in store for him.

[fob]

49. Amen, I was expecting something based a little more closely to the

real thing, like the stars replaced with crosses.

Jeebus Aint Christ these fuckers are off the deep end.

[Warren DeMontague]

83. Is that a surprise? Look at musicians.

It usually takes brains- and some form of sensitivity- to have a deeper aesthetic sense, I think.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

2. Design looks more suited for an armband

Specifically, one to be worn over long-sleeve kaki uniforms.

[charlyvi]

12. Right under the swastika.

[mopinko]

3. treason

no?

[charlyvi]

15. It seems so.

Don't hold your breath waiting for the prosecution, though.

[Double T]

4. WE NEED ABSOLUTE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

[charlyvi]

17. And absolute separation of fundies

from normal people. You know, the ones who think.

[sniffa]

5. oooh, something eLse to burn

i can't wait to get my fLag.

[charlyvi]

14. BWAHAHAHA!!!

Good one, Sniffa.

[aquart]

6. Most unAmerican thing I have ever seen.

Don't you love a woman who's trying to start a civil war?

[charlyvi]

22. Well. They have their flag.

God knows what the uniforms will look like.

[Tux]

52. Brown shirts and pants for losers

Black outfits for the elite.

Been there, done that. We're returning to Nazism.

[charlyvi]

59. I hope not.

But I have noticed the frequent use of children and adolescents at their demonstrations and abortion protests.

[Kazak]

7. That's the Anti-American flag.

More like it.

[charlyvi]

76. It truly is.

It is against everything this country stands for; it's against everything the Bible stands for, too. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caeser's, unto God that which is God's". I am reciting from memory, so the quote may not be word perfect.

[Lucky Luciano]

8. What a bunch of clowns

Cue the clown music and the jugglers etc...

[Hobarticus]

9. Needs more blood, more evidence of suffering...

Kee-rist, talk about a blood cult.

[brainshrub]

10. If they want to march under a copyrighted flag, let them.

[FreedomAngel82]

13. No way in hell!!!

They're NOT taking that flag away. :mad:

[SteppingRazor]

16. Oh, yes, Marcia, yes!

Why, my feets are gettin' lighter already, till I could almost float away. Surely, the End Times are at hand. Oh, mama! Fetch me a rattlesnake to play with!

Hallelujah! Amen! Amen! Oh Sweet Lord, Amen!

[charlyvi]

41. LOL Sweet Jeebus! n/t

[Richard Steele]

18. I already beat them to it! Here's "Banner for a New American Century":

[charlyvi]

21. Where's Jeebus?

I son't see Jeebus.

[Warpy]

43. They pulled him off the cross and he rose again

Haven't you been reading your bible?

[charlyvi]

61. No.

I let James Dobson read it for me. BWAHAHAHAHA!

[central scrutinizer]

19. Isn't there something in the Bible about "graven images"?

Just asking.

[charlyvi]

Not their Bible.

You must be talking about OUR Bible. It's different, you know.

:sarcasm:

[FreedomAngel82]

44. Yep

Of course these people *whoops* obviously forgot about that.

[katinmn]

20. I wish they would go find a little plot of land, start their own country,

and write a new consitution for themselves.

They sure don't respect ours!

Whack jobs.

[charlyvi]

23. Yep. They already have the flag. n/t

[BrightKnight]

69. Here is the theocratic constitution:

http://reformed.org/ethics/index.html?mainframe=laws_of_new_england.html

It is very foreword looking for a document produced in 1641.

[charlyvi]

71. Good site.

I just wonder if they would be satisfied with stocks in the town square or would they go back to witch burning--"witch" meaning anyone who didn't believe in their religion. That Cotton Mather was a son of a bitch!

[Frederik]

95. Very forward looking...

Of Crimes. And first, of such as deserve capital punishment, or cutting off from a man's people, whether by death or banishment.
1. FIRST, blasphemy, which is a cursing of God by atheism, or the like, to be punished with death.

2. Idolatry to be punished with death.

3. Witchcraft, which is fellowship by covenant with a familiar spirit, to be punished with death.

4. Consulters with witches not to be tolerated, but either to be cut off by death or banishment.

5. Heresy, which is the maintenance of some wicked errors, overthrowing the foundation of the christian religion; which obstinacy, if it be joined with endeavour to seduce others thereunto, to be punished with death; because such an heretick, no less than an idolater, seeketh to thrust the souls of men from the Lord their God.

6. To worship God in a molten or graven image, to be punished with death.

7. Such members of the church, as do wilfully reject to walk, after due admonition and conviction, in the churches' establishment, and their christian admonition and censures, shall be cut off by banishment.

8. Whosoever shall revile the religion and worship of God, and the government of the church, as it is now established, to be cut off by banishment. Cor. 5:5.

9. Wilful perjury, whether before the judgment seat or in private conference, to be punished with death.

10. Rash perjury, whether in public or in private, to be punished with banishment. Just is it, that such a man's name should be cut off from his people who profanes so grosly the name of God before his people.

11. Profaning of the Lord's day, in a careless and scornful neglect or contempt thereof, to be punished with death.

12. To put in practice the betraying of the country, or any principal fort therein, to the hand of any foreign state, Spanish, French, Dutch, or the like, contrary to the allegiance we owe and profess to our dread sovereign, lord king Charles (replace with: George), his heirs and successors, whilst he is pleased to protect us as his loyal subjects, to be punished with death. Num. 12:14, 15.

[charlyvi]

96. This is truly scary, and I'm not kidding.

I read on some site, I don't know which one, that the Dominionists want to revive the death penalty for adultery, homosexuality, abortion--in other words, any act they define as a crime listed in the Bible. :scared:

[chalky]

24. "...and then shall the END COME"???!!???!

:nuke:


God, but these people are FREAKS. :scared:

[charlyvi]

27. Kind of makes you wish they WOULD get raptured,

doesn't it? And leave us heathens alone.

[ComerPerro]

25. Oh, please, let them get mainstream attention

So we can finally have the fanatical theorcratic minority exposed and associated with Republicans/Conservatives.


EDIT: Maybe they can add in an image of a bunch of Christians lynching a gay guy.

[charlyvi]

29. But....but....this is the red meat

thrown "under the radar" according to Gwen Ifil and Judy Woodruff, don't you know!

[NAO]

26. A few alternates from evolvefish.com

Lots more bumper stickers, pins, & etc. at Evolve Fish

http://www.evolvefish.com/

[Selatius]

28. What about non-Christians?

If they get what they want, they're going to repeat the same mistakes that were made in the last 1000 years over in Europe where you'll have second class citizens for the simple fact that they aren't the right religion. Jews, Gypsies, Pagans, Wiccans, and others learned this first hand with many losing their lives.

It is dangerous to enshrine one brand of religion into government over all others. If Christianity, what brand? The Southern Baptist version? Pentecostal? Methodist? How about Catholic?

[charlyvi]

32. My bet would be Southern Baptist.

They seem to be the most ideological. In fact, I lay most of this mess at the foot of the Southern Baptist Convention. Jimmy Carter resigned; sent them a letter saying he no longer wanted to be associated with their views on women and religion. Yay Jimmy.

[FreedomAngel82]

46. Yay Jimmy!!

Another reason to love president Carter!

[earthmama]

50. Probably evangelism ...

I get into heated debates with these people. They think that they are the only true Christians and every other form of Christianity is wrong. They've attacked Catholics for not being Christians, and JW. The suck. Ignorant and so full of themselves.


i see these people creating there own flag and wanting to rule the world.

To them the earth is still flat and the only people in the world are white and AMERICA is the only country.

I think most baptist are evangelist right?

[Selatius]

109. You don't need to be any denomination to be fundamentalist

Religion or philosophy is something that is up to each individual. Some are very extremist in ideology, and I don't have a problem with odd views per se or views far out of the mainstream, but what I do have a problem with is intolerance for differing views.

Take me for example: My views align fairly close with that of Deism. Some people call me "out there," but the difference between me and a militant fundamentalist is that I don't advocate killing Catholics or Protestants or everyone else who isn't a Deist or using less violent forms of coercion and intimidation on everyone else to advance my own philosophy above theirs.

When I say "coercion and intimidation," I mean using the fear of damnation to hell or some other mechanism to try to convert people. I don't claim to know what God's will is, so I have no grounds to judge others. I only use what was given to me: The light and gift of reason. I was given that gift for a purpose, and I don't believe throwing it away on dogma and superstition is what was originally intended.

There are good reasons against murdering and raping and inflicting all sorts of misery upon a fellow human being, and it isn't necessarily because a book says so but because it hurts us all in the end. I am not against murder because, for instance, the Bible says so. I am against murder because of reason and humanity.

[earthmama]

120. Well

The reason I said Baptist is here in the south you usually hear all that hoiler then thou crap from baptist. You are right there are other denomination that are fundamentalist and peole with no denomination that are also fundamentalist .

[central scrutinizer]

30. Ezekial 23:20 and an appropriate graphic would make it very popular

Ezekial 23:20
"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."

[charlyvi]

34. Well now I'm hot. LOL n/t

[tnlefty]

39. Ah ha! so this explains Bush**'s fondness for milking horses.

and all this time i thought he didn't read.

[DBoon]

31. Eagles carry dead rodents in their talons

I think the Lord should have a word with this woman about blasphemy....

[Todd B]

33. Which Constitution are THEY reading?

Mmmm, can someone please ask these wingnuts to point out exactly WHERE in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that states that America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles?

[charlyvi]

36. I think they've taken the "Under God" phrase in the

Declaration of Independence and run amok with it. They seem to conflate the two documents all the time.

[Doodlesweaver]

37. Kookier every day

These kooks get kookier every day!!!

[devilgrrl]

38. It goes good with this flag

[charlyvi]

106. I think they're using the rulebook.

Islamofascist, Christofascist. Tomato, Tomahto.

[immoderate]

40. What is a Judeo-Christian principle?

The only one I know of is that Christians kill Jews.:shrug:

--IMM

[charlyvi]

42. It always struck me as odd,

the way these fundies look to the Old Testament for their beliefs--the "Jewish" book, rather than the New Testament, the
"Christian" book. Didn't Jesus try to show a way other than the fire and brimstone, revenge sodden, plagueish, way? It's wierd.

[immoderate]

45. And what's with the 10 Commandments?

Seems to me there is nothing more Jewish. It pretty much forbids the worship of Jesus.

--IMM

[charlyvi]

48. Well, I went to a Catholic university--Loyola.

Though I'm not a Catholic, but anyways, they have a way around that. Something with the Spirit and Holy Ghost (sorry my Catholic brothers/sisters, I must be mangling this) and Jesus becoming one with God after his crucifixion. I never understood it myself.

[immoderate]

57. Not to insult anyone.

I'm a Jewish atheist. So I don't have to pretend that the Trinity makes sense. It doesn't if you profess to be monotheistic.

What I usually boil it down to is my definition of faith. (Which I will attest is slightly tounge in cheek.)

Faith is the capacity to believe something that you know is false.

--IMM

[charlyvi]

66. I'm not offended.

And I'm sure I explained the Trinity very badly, not being Catholic. But I agree with your definition of faith. That's why it's not amenable to logic or persuasion. Which can make it dangerous, as well.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. It is weird

So since they don't follow Christ and any of his teachings why do they call thesmelves Christians? Since they follow the old testament shouldn't they becalled Jews?

[AlienGirl]

75. Don't mistake these people for real Jews

Jews follow the Hebrew Bible, but there are centuries and centuries of rabbinic interpretation involved that these people don't have the benefit of.

Tucker

[charlyvi]

90. Yes. But then again....

these people aren't real Christians either.

[Telly Savalas]

85. Play the board, not the man

Keep your stick on the ice.

Don't wear white before Memorial Day.

That sort of thing.

[Beware the Beast Man]

51. Funny- that's one of the most sacreligious images I've ever seen.

[BrightKnight]

53. Theocratic Dominionism is on the march - n/t

[blueheeler]

54. quote from the creator.....

"Phones were ringing steadily on six lines, Eldreth said, when a thunderstorm rolled in over the house.

"I turned on the prayer and worship music because it started to feel like a spiritual attack," Eldreth said. She recalled stepping to the front door in time to see lightning strike a utility pole across the road: "I saw a ball of blue fire come off that telephone pole."

The bolt knocked out the phones until the next morning. Eldreth understood it as a sign.

"I took it as spiritual warfare," Eldreth said. "I grinned when the fire come off the pole." She said she thought, "Thanks for the affirmation, Satan."

[charlyvi]

58. Wow. This sounds like the diaries written by

the Puritans on their way here from England. Everything was a sign, and every outcome was constructed as foretold by the sign. But that was THREE HUNDRED YEARS AGO!

[Democracy White]

70. Woman sounds like she belongs

in a mental institution. Perferabbly in a strait jacket. IMHO

Dee

[charlyvi]

73. And repubs have told her

she's a "mainstream" American. At least they used to keep their lunacy to themselves or others like them. Now they act like they have permission to enslave us all.

[Democracy White]

123. Right

Kinda like the Christian phone company that called that one comedian.
I think that if they called me I would have fun with them too.

Crazy people

dee

[geniph]

98. That lightning bolt knocked out more than the phones

I think she was maybe a little closer than she admits!

[Gemini Cat]

113. What a smug moron.

She took it as spiritual warfare, indeed!
I'd take it as an inconvenience.

[mr blur]

55. "Blessed is the country whose God is Lord."?

Like...Iraq?

[janx]

56. This is horrifying and depressing. It looks like a quilt! n/t

[jazzjunkysue]

60. Judeo-Christian? Where's the minorah?

[charlyvi]

64. There is no minorah.

This is Judeo-Christian with heavy emphasis on the Christian.

[Pachamama]

110. You mean, "Where is the Star of David?"(Menorrah represents Hannukah)

But hey, its ok you made a mistake...but your right...if its based on "Judeo-Christian" principles they seemed to have forgotten it...maybe the Eagle can wear it like a "crown of thorns"? :shrug:

[UdoKier]

62. Actially, that is an UN-American, Christofascist flag.

Our country was based on democratic principles, not mumbo-jumbo. Damned is the country that puts one religion above all others.

[Zenlitened]

63. Man, they're just LUSTING after armageddon, aren't they?

They're gonna wave it around on a flag, now?

Sickos.

[charlyvi]

65. Yep. And I'm lusting after it for them.

Then I can go back to my America.

[GeorgeGist]

67. Benjamin Franklin's Letter Comparing the Eagle and the Turkey

"For my own part I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen the Representative of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly. You may have seen him perched on some dead Tree near the River, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the Labour of the Fishing Hawk; and when that diligent Bird has at length taken a Fish, and is bearing it to his Nest for the Support of his Mate and young Ones, the Bald Eagle pursues him and takes it from him.

"With all this Injustice, he is never in good Case but like those among Men who live by Sharping & Robbing he is generally poor and often very lousy. Besides he is a rank Coward: The little King Bird not bigger than a Sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the District. He is therefore by no means a proper Emblem for the brave and honest Cincinnati of America who have driven all the King birds from our Country . . .

"I am on this account not displeased that the Figure is not known as a Bald Eagle, but looks more like a Turkey. For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America . . . He is besides, though a little vain & silly, a Bird of Courage, and would not hesitate to attack a Grenadier of the British Guards who should presume to invade his Farm Yard with a red Coat on."

http://www.greatseal.com/symbols/turkey.html

[charlyvi]

68. Okay. You left yourself open for it.

THIS FLAG IS A REAL TURKEY. LOL. GET IT? SORRY.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

72. I bet they think the "Don't Tread On Me" flags

from the Revolutionary Era are satanic.


Morans.... everywhere I look. :banghead:

[charlyvi]

74. If they know about them.

I don't give them too much credit on the history knowledge. Unless the "Don't Tread on Me" flags were in the Bible.

[Pachamama]

111. I love those flags! Especially the "Culpepper" Flag!

http://store1.yimg.com/I/united-states-flag_1847_27948605

History
This flag represented a group of about one hundred minutemen form Culpeper, Virginia. The group formed part of Colonel Patrick Henry's First Virginia Regiment of 1775. In October - November 1775 three hundred such minutemen, led by Colonel Stevens, assembled at Culpeper Court House and marched for Williamsburg. Their unusual dress alarmed the people as they marched through the country. The word "Liberty Or Death" were in large white letters on the breast of their hunting shirts. They had bucks' tails in their hats and in their belts, tomahawks and scalping knives.

I want a Culpepper flag...I want to dress and alarm the Christian Whack Jobs wanting to take over this country.... :patriot:

[Bluebear]

77. It's so beautiful!!!! Crying here . . .

What is this, an honorable mention quilt from the Iowa State Fair or something?

[charlyvi]

78. LOL

It was first prize in the bread baking contest!

[Stirk]

79. Sounds fantastic to me. I'll show it to everybody I can.

People are getting sick of these God freaks. It'll be nice to show people how serious these loons are about destroying the United States and replacing it with a theocracy.

[Vickers]

80. Is that a humongous eagle, or was Jesus like 3 feet tall?

:shrug:

[charlyvi]

81. You dern Heretic!

BWAHAHAHAHA!

[Bluebear]

82. It's John Ashcroft's fantasy eagle

He is soaring after mutating to 15 times normal size as a result of George W. Bush's environmental policies.

[charlyvi]

88. He glows during the night. n/t

[DBoon]

100. IT'S EAGLEZILLA!

n/t

[charlyvi]

103. Quick....get the kids and the old folks off the streets!

EAGLEZILLA is coming! LOL

[Bluebear]

105. hehehehe

[Warren DeMontague]

84. Hey, what font is that... "Times New Nazi"? nt

[Bluebear]

87. It IS rather Germanic idn't it? n/t

[name not needed]

86. Maybe they should go for something a little simpler

[charlyvi]

89. Nah. Been done.

n/t

[Taxloss]

91. Good. The more ambitious and wacky they get,

the fewer supporters they will carry with them. Forward to Gilead!

[charlyvi]

93. Hopefully the more scary they are...

the more people will take them seriously. I hope.

[Taxloss]

94. Quite.

It will mean fewer people thinking "these are people of faith wanting simple morality and a fair deal", and more people thinking "these are nutbags out to take over the country".

[NoPasaran]

92. Clip art

[geniph]

97. Oh good, let's desecrate both the flag and Christianity

If they're going to quote Matthew, they might want to take a look at Matthew 6:5 and 6:6.

<5> And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
<6> But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

[charlyvi]

99. Agreed.

In a previous post I mentioned the "Render unto Caeser that which is Caeser's" quote. Apparently, fundamentilist Christians don't read their Bible well enough. Jesus, in my opinion, was definitely in favor of separating church and state. I'm a godless heathen and at least I know that much. Scary times. :scared:

[zeemike]

101. Satanic symbol?

I wonder if they know that the cross displayed in that fashion is called the fallen cross and is a satanic symbol?

[charlyvi]

102. I didn't know that.

But I'm not clued in to all things religious.

[aeolian]

121. Are you kidding? They barely know the most superficial symbolism

of their own religion!

[ISUGRADIA]

104. god that flag is UGGGGGGLY

[GreenPartyVoter]

107. Will never happen

[aeolian]

108. It looks like the eagle just ate Jesus, and is bringing the crucifix home

for nesting material.

:hide:

[Bluebear]

115. :BURP:

[6000eliot]

112. I think it's a nice flag

For me to wipe my ass with!

[Gemini Cat]

114. This woman needs a nice long vacation.

A quiet place where she can't bother others.

[charlyvi]

118. And where she can commune with her Lord!

and get lots and lots of therapy

[Solly Mack]

116. Stick her in a padded room

It would be kinder to her and better for America.

[Swamp Rat]

117. Here ya go:

[DemBones DemBones]

119. She ought to Google "Christian flag" -- she'd learn it already exists!

I was somewhat horrified to learn this myself a few years back. It's been flying under the radar for years now.

Chances are fairly good you've seen it yourself, draped on a flagpole next to a stage or altar, along with the U.S. flag and possibly your state flag. Did you ever investigate what the other flags up there with the Stars and Stripes were/are?

[Deep13]

122. Kingdom?

So it's pretty much official. Fundies hate democracy.
Judeo-Christian principles? More like Psudeo-Christian.