Intresting Point of View

[ls317]

During the run-up to the 2004 election, hundreds, if not thousands of liberals promised to leave America for good if Bush was re-elected. Best I can tell, not one of them kept their promise. Instead, they have only become more obnoxious in their efforts to dismantle America.

America’s liberal movement isn’t what it used to be. The old live and let live, make love not war liberal who just wanted to be left alone to pursue his often drug induced euphoric consequence free utopian existence has been replaced. I liked this old liberal. He did himself all kinds of harm, but generally speaking, he didn’t hurt anyone else. He was passive by nature, spending most of his time hanging out in his marijuana patch listening to the Beatles. I miss this old liberal.

The new liberal is a horse’s ass of an entirely different color. He is a bitter hate-filled America loathing Marxist, just as determined to bring the world’s most powerful nation to its knees as any foreign enemy in history.



http://www.torontofreepress.com/2005/williams061305.htm

[brainshrub]

1. Hate to agree with you.

If you tell everyone that you're leaving the country, LEAVE THE COUNTRY!

A real patriot stays and fights when the plutocrats try to take control. There is a time when you have to give up and leave, but we aren't there yet.

IMO, a flag-burning ammendment would be the signal that the country is to far gone to be salvaged. I'm not saying I'd leave, but I'd certainly start looking.

[movonne]

2. And why are you posting this????

[ls317]

5. Because

Personally I found this point of view very intresting comming from a newspaper that is based in Canada.

[Telly Savalas]

7. See post #6.

Just because some recycling bin filler in Canada has some words printed on it doesn't mean anything.

[movonne]

8. Well there are nuts in Canada too, as there is everwhere...sure

don't make them right just because they are from Canada..

[ls317]

9. Very True

[loveable liberal]

3. Wow.... guy should come and say that to my face..... I'll show him ...

a passive liberal.

[Walt Starr]

4. Flame Bait n/t

[Telly Savalas]

6. Yup.

Furthermore, the Toronto Free Press is a right-wing neanderthal rag that's distributed for free outside grocery stores in newspaper racks that contain things like used car guides. Nobody would pay money for it when they can make their own paper with more insightful analysis simply by wiping their ass.

Edited to add: In fact, I think they have really limited circulation, since I've only seen the thing at one grocery store, unlike the free entertainment weeklies and small-scale community newspapers which can be found everywhere.

[liberalnurse]

35. Not necessarily or intentional

flame bait. Maybe we need to take a look at our "hot air" syndrome? As a a whole, we have the passion but it does not yet rise to the level of commitment as seen int the 60's and 70's. Today, I'm thinking we prefer the instant gratification to the liking of pulling up to the drive-thru window at McDonald's and getting a quick bite....we do our politics that way at present. Many of our Democratic Betway leaders have set such a pace.....God knows we have call the offenders spineless....Look at the Patriot Act, education, health care issues and voter fraud for a few issues we can't get traction. Howard Dean is currently taking flack from DLC insiders just because he has in your face commitment.

I see the point.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

51. THE ARTICLE TITLE IS "WHY IT'S TIME TO DEPORT LIBERALS" FFS!!!!

There's only ONE reason why ANYONE would find this trash worthy of any credit. But DU rules prevent me from telling it right now.

[Submariner]

10. Bush STOLE the 2000 vote, he was not "elected"

so that is why no one left (Alec Baldwin, etc.) at that time. We liberals realize he stole the vote again in 2004, in complicity with Diebold, so he was not "re-elected". That is why no one has left the U.S. We are staying to fight this AWOL little coward punk to limit the damage he is doing to the country and it's honor. He is a STAIN on the presidency of the United States.

BTW, are you old enough to enlist?

[ls317]

17. Duty Done

BTW


I just recently finished a 15 month tour in Iraq in April of 2005 with my national guard unit.
With a strong chance that I may have to go back again.16 Years military service ( 10 Active duty 6 years National Guard/Reserve)

[Submariner]

24. Stay safe and get back home unharmed

I bought LBJ's lies when I joined in 1965 and resented being lied to. I am sorry you guys are in Iraq based on the lies of the Bushista regime. Stay safe.

[ls317]

25. Home

I am currently stateside right now there is a strong chance that I will have to return late this year or early next year

[Oversea Visitor]

59. Hope you dont get kill by a Lie

Stay safe.

[alcibiades_mystery]

67. Where'd you serve and with what unit?

Curious here...

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. Right On!

:applause:

[lonestarnot]

66. 2 time selectee, once by Supremes, second by House.

[Beetwasher]

11. Hey "ls317" How About Some Commentary W/ This Load of Tripe?

Like, why you posted it and what you think about it? Or is there some reason you prefer to hit and run? Hmmm?

[ls317]

16. Sure

I found this article very interesting to me,because it was send from a good friend that lives in Canada.
With Canada being a very socialist country,it was interesting to find a different point of view who lives outside the United States.
I didn't say that I agreed with the crux of the article at all,but it is very interesting and take a peek at things from the other side.
In regards to the views and ideas various options I will at least read and attempt to digest something from it good or bad.
The person that sent this to me who I have known for the last 15 years is a EX-US re-patriot.

[Beetwasher]

21. The "Other Side"? The "Other Side" Of What?

Yes, I noticed you didn't say the you agreed w/ the crux of the article. That's my point. So, what DO you think of the article? Or are you AFRAID to state your opinion?

That you would even find this piece of crap "interesting" doesn't speak highly of you to begin with though. Not to mention what it says about your *cough* "friend". :eyes:

[ls317]

23. Ok

I have no reason to be afraid of stating my opinion,on a personal level the article was garbage as a whole.
I have tons of friends that I respect as a whole and dont agree with them on certain issues
but they are still friends regardless



I have been away from the country the last 15 months,because of a commitment I had with my national guard unit. I didn't agree with the war for various reasons, but I signed a contract and had more than 15 years invested in the military 10 years active duty last 5 years in the national guard
Personally I knew that the war was bullshit but I took and oath to serve and protect my country. I am aware that there is a good chance that I may have to return to Iraq once more time.
You see I support troops because they have a job to do,second they are sons,daughters,husbands and wives,mothers and fathers. And almost 1700 US soldiers have been killed because of bullshit and lies.
And a countless numbers of US soldiers have been crippled for life,lets not forget the numbers of innocent have lost there lives in the process because of this also/
Upon my return I have noticed a large amount of infighting within the party based on ideas and beliefs,based on the simplest of things for various reasons.
Is there a common ground within the party somewhere. Everyone has different values and beliefs within his or her own self.

Meaning if you dont agree with the extreme dems and you may should show a sign of conservatism within reason.. You are looked at like you just got off an alien spaceship and you have three heads.
I was born and raised as a democratic and still believe in the party.But there must be some common ground somewhere within our self on the what is best for the cause for the good of all.

[redqueen]

27. And all that has WHAT to do with the absolute CRAP in your OP?

Seriously... do you think we weren't aware that Canada has its share of right-wing dumbasses?

What signs of conservatism have you shown that you've been looked at funny for showing?

Lots of moderate / centrist dems here have conservative views that they're not scared to share... so what exactly are you talking about?

[ls317]

28. Points

Hmmmmm


Personally I would think that Evan Bayh would be a good choice for making a run at the white house in 2008.
Lets see some are calling him Repug-Light( because he shows basic conservative ideas and views on certain issues)
O Bama/Dean- Because he made voiced a view and spoke what he thought was right against Dean.( He is being called a sell-out,lets throw him under the bus)
Folks are calling him window dressing etc....


Those are the most recent that come to mind

[redqueen]

29. Again...

WHAT does that have to do with the spew you posted in the OP?

If you wanted to discuss your feelings of alienation due to your support for moderate / centrist Dems, why not post that, instead of a bunch of shit?

[Beetwasher]

30. A Whole Lotta Nuthin'

That's irrelevant to your original post...You thought it was garbage, yet somehow worth posting on DU? I'll come right and say it; I don't believe you.

[liberalnurse]

36. The poster has shared his clarification to your

questions.....you just don't get it still? Maybe that could be an example our the Democratic infighting. I see the poster seeking commitment form the Party members...using a reflective, nostalgic Party example of success to compare our current state of "fuge".

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

50. You misrepresent the quoted "columnist's" views.

It is a hysteric RW screed. And no, I don't have to "prove" it is. All I have to do is invite people to go to the link the OP posted, read the article and form an opinion.

I hoped to go through it all, but my stomach gave way about 2/3rd through it.

[Telly Savalas]

57. No it was balanced and insightful

The new liberal is a horse’s ass of an entirely different color. He is a bitter hate-filled America loathing Marxist, just as determined to bring the world’s most powerful nation to its knees as any foreign enemy in history.

How can you get any more nuanced than that?

[linazelle]

52. You seem very critical of Dems, and protective of the tripe that's

been posted.

Whatsupwiththat?

I don't see how someone not "getting it" from the above "article" compares to anything within the democratic party. Nor do I see how the author of the thread can find all the negativity above to criticize dems and nothing to criticize the opposition. He's coming from a totally critical point of view.

You agree and say he's "seeking commitment." Seeking commitment to what? Democratic opposition?



P.S. And what does this mean: "...using a reflective, nostalgic Party example of success to compare our current state of "fuge".

[Beetwasher]

61. Are You Joking?

Did you read the article he posted? All he was doing was throwing a turd in the punch bowl. Give me a break. That wasn't a clarification, that was a distraction. It answered nothing about why he posted the garbage in the first place. It was a bunch of disjointed rambling about his supposedly being in the NG and how the Dems are basically fucked up.

[UdoKier]

32. Canada is a very capitalist country.

The fact that you think Canada is "socialist" is very telling. Being to the left of one of the most right-wing of all industrialized countries (the US) doesn't make a country "socialist". You must not know much about socialism. They have a semi-socialized health care system, but they are hardly "socialist". The Scandinavian nations are much more socialized and even they are not "socialist" in the strictest terms.

What do you consider the US to be?

To me, it's a corporate-run monopolistic kleptocratic oligarchy, with a new form of Christo-fascism ascending.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

33. What a conveniently neutral term, "interesting".

Unfortunately (for you), your second sentence gave you away.

[liberalnurse]

41. Did you read this reply?

snip>

have been away from the country the last 15 months,because of a commitment I had with my national guard unit. I didn't agree with the war for various reasons, but I signed a contract and had more than 15 years invested in the military 10 years active duty last 5 years in the national guard
Personally I knew that the war was bullshit but I took and oath to serve and protect my country. I am aware that there is a good chance that I may have to return to Iraq once more time.
You see I support troops because they have a job to do,second they are sons,daughters,husbands and wives,mothers and fathers. And almost 1700 US soldiers have been killed because of bullshit and lies.
And a countless numbers of US soldiers have been crippled for life,lets not forget the numbers of innocent have lost there lives in the process because of this also/
Upon my return I have noticed a large amount of infighting within the party based on ideas and beliefs,based on the simplest of things for various reasons.
Is there a common ground within the party somewhere. Everyone has different values and beliefs within his or her own self.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

46. Me, I find freudian slips more eloquent. (nt)

[redqueen]

12. You find right-wing vomitous crap "interesting"?

Do you really?

I find it interesting that someone here finds right-wing excrement "interesting".

[liberalnurse]

37. Not all right wing data is toxic.

It will be our demise if we don't take a peek at the other side. Lets be fair here.....we are comrades right?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

47. Maybe not, but THIS one IS.

Stupid childish slams against liberals that reek of Coulteresque screeds. Worth taking a peek? Yes, but only because it's useful to know the depths of bitterness the right wing can descend to.

[Telly Savalas]

58. Marginalized far-right Canadian free weeklies are "the other side"?

If one wanted to keep an eye on the other side, wouldn't it make better sense to choose more obvious candidates like FOX News and popular American rightwing pundits? The Toronto Free Press has close to zero impact on political dialogue in the city of Toronto, much less the entire nation of Canada or the United States.

[redqueen]

62. Did you read it?

Sure some conservative viewpoints are worth debating, but this?

This is just trash.

[MsTryska]

13. te irony is this guys ranting on marxists

and living in socialist canada.


actually an even bette rirnoy is all those Hard left Trotskyites are now in charge of the NeoConservative movement.

[Warpy]

14. What's interesting about that?

It's just more right wing spew.

How he characterizes the apolitical hedonists in the 60s as liberals is beyond me. I guess intelligence and a knowledge of history aren't requirements for men who write right wing hate pieces.

[Name removed]

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[downwitbush]

18. interesting...

its interesting that we are even commenting on this. theres no need to get all defensive over a bunch of conservative spew. Its one of those cases of "ignore it cuz we are just going down to their level." Let's prove we are better than this article says we are.

[Liberal In Texas]

19. You know, ls317, when you post something without " " or inside

a box or something, I think that it's you saying it. Not until the end of the post is a link, which could be a sig line. Other posters picked up it was a quote (and not you saying directly) before I did. So, I'm guessing you don't agree with it? Do you?

[NoSheep]

20. Re-post with a question mark after your subject and we might let

you live! :smoke:

[liberalnurse]

43. I love it when we mentor our

young.O8)

[progressivejazz]

22. Your post has no redeeming social value.

[Vladimir]

26. If only the "new liberal" *was* a Marxist... n/t

[stickdog]

31. Get ready for The New Liberalz.

"I've taken all I can takes and I can't takes no more!"

[kiraboo]

34. Actually, I think the value of the post is clear enough, i.e.

democrats may disagree vehemently on a lot of issues, but there's one thing we all unite in horror against: neocon, repuke rhetoric. I personally believe that no matter how we look at the issues of abortion, women's rights, religion etc. etc. we all remain firmly antagonistic toward GWB and everything he represents. Maybe, at this time in history, that's enough.

[Spazito]

38. This is a piece of crap

It is NOT a news source in any way, I had never heard of it before this and will promptly forget it exists. Unfortunately we, too, have creeps here who spew their vomit and are particularly nasty when they can't have their way.

ROFLMAO at the title, the fastest growing independent news source! That must mean, by posting it here, you have increased it's hits from one to the few of us who actually clicked on it.

[Telly Savalas]

60. If you ever visit Toronto...

go to the Loblaw's grocery store south of the Dundas West subway station. You can find a copy of the Toronto Free Press in the free newspaper racks by the shopping carts. I've lived here 4 years and have never seen this paper anywhere else.

I'm not sure who they're trying to target with the rag, since the grocery store is in a riding where the Conservative Party has the Greens breathing down its neck for third place.

[Spazito]

63. I figured it had to be something like that...

I knew it was some 'leaflet' rag that had no credibility, thanks for confirming that. Screeds like this only marginalize the faux Cons even more and that can only be good!

[Name removed]

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[liberalnurse]

42. Enough of your

abuse. :spank:

[kentuck]

40. hundreds, if not thousands???

Best I recall was two or three at the most???

[ConservativeDemocrat]

44. JB Williams isn't Canadian. He's an American neo-con

And a particularly inane one at that. You can see his site here, if you really want to. It's filled with ranting with a degree of stupidity above and beyond that of the normal GOP freeper. The guy is actually proud that he has no education.

Ug. And this is what's called "conservative" these days.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

48. HAHAHAHAHA! What a perfect IDIOT!!!!

The lamest of all are his attempts to look "independent". Yeah. RIGHT. "Interesting" indeed. :sarcasm:

[redqueen]

65. Nice.

Isn't it great that we still have concerned DUers around to post meaningful "articles" like this?

[Freedomfried]

49. I left the country in 2000, Dude

Sold my stocks and packed the bags, and I have NEVER regretted the move.

Freedomfried,
Negros

[NMMNG]

53. This guy is an imbecile

He believes that all religions are deserving of equal status, including the not so peaceful religion of Islam, the always entertaining satanic cult, and the religion of no religion, atheism. To the modern day liberal, there is no real difference between religions.

As if fundamentalist Christianity could be called peaceful with people like Phelps, Falwell, Robertson, Dobson and their ilk! Conservatives just want to play the same old game of "we want it our way and the rest of you can flake off".

They have already replaced our right to life endowed by our Creator with a government sanctioned right to murder our unborn and our physically or mentally challenged no longer of use to society.

Actually, it is the Conservatives' hero, Chimpy, who is taking all of the steps to ensure that the physically and mentally challenged will be killed off-by working towards cutting off their disability funding. If they have no funds on which to live they have no choice but to die.

They have already replaced our right to free religious expression with a non-existent separation of church and state clause that effectively outlaws religious expression.

Bull excrement! Religous expression has not been outlawed. Can people not go to church/synagogue/temple/other place of worship whenever they want? Can they not pray whenever and wherever they want, the only restriction being that in some instances they must do it silently? Can they not read their religious texts with freedom? The only thing that is being restricted is peoples rights to force their religion upon other people--well boo hoo!



People like this make my brain hurt.

[asthmaticeog]

54. Hippies are old-school liberals now?

If FDR or Tip O'Neill heard that, they'd bust a gut laughing.

[StopTheMorans]

55. thanks for posting this

:eyes:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

56. Yes, it gives us some much-needed catharsis

Troll hunting is FUN!

[ProfessorGAC]

64. There's Nothing The Least Bit Interesting About That Tripe

Utter nonsense from a blithering idiot.
The Professor