I'm sorry....Those are the DUMBEST jurors in the United States

[drdon326]

i'm watching them and they seemed to have a combined IQ of a bedpost.


Maybe karma will get some their relatives will get invited to Neverland Ranch.

Flame away.

[neuvocat]

1. Not as dumb as the Rodney King jurors.

Now THEY were stupid.

[Pirate Smile]

True. That was shameful.

[ls317]

156. ......

Explain please??????? Rodney king didnt get his ass beat by the LAPD

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

172. I think he's referring to the cops being acquitted. n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. The jury foreman was an engineer

I found his comments more intelligible than yours

[BlueEyedSon]

3. Are you really Michael Jackson?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. Nope..just someone who resents witchhunts with tainted evidence

proferred by DA's who will bankrupt their jurisdiction in order to seek higher office.

[jobycom]

24. Once again

We are in complete agreement.

[NoSheep]

171. Ditto.

[donheld]

45. Me too, me too

I'm ashamed of many of my fellow DUer's today.

[MzShellG]

67. Justice has been served...

I'm satisfied with the outcome. The atmoshpere here today feels like freeperville. I want my DU back...

[jobycom]

It'll return

This happens every time there's a big trial. We all call each other idiots, then we get back to beating up on Bush in a few days.

If we can't fight with our siblings, who can we fight with?

[springhill]

157. So True..............

There are many people, and some on this forum unfortunately, who only want him to be guilty because, well they just don't like him. He's kind of wierd, you know? So put him away, it doesn't eally matter whether the prosecution witness were proven to be LIARS many times over. His persona does not make him a child molester.

So, unless someone comes posts the evidence that proves he is guilty, I have no patience with your bigotry. Anyone can level charges against someone, but they have to be proven.

And if you would like me to find and post the links concerning the various lies exposed by the accusers family, I would only be very happy to do so.

It's very telling that on two of the networks that covered the verdicts, they had attorneys who said the case against Jackson was so weak that charges never should have even been filed.

Oh, I'm sure the Michael Jackson bashing will continue to go on, because a lot of people just like villifying others who aren't like themselves. So be it, but that says more about you than him.

[sendero]

169. No really..

... weird does not bother me.

A pattern of behaviour that is practically the prototype of the typical pedophile does, as does the all too true concept that if you have enough money you can buy freedom.

I haven't the slightest doubt that MJ would have been convicted if he had "average" defense.

I haven't the slightest doubt that MJ will molest again, because he has an illness.

I do not have bad feelings about the jury, I believe that they took their job seriously and rendered the verdict that would allow them to sleep, that is all anyone can ask.

I do think that the prosecutors ought to know better than to bring a weak case into court.

[Lowell]

181. Exactly my concerns

it is a sickness not a weakness. It will happen again.

It is a shame that the boys parents were such low life gold diggers. The only one who really suffers here is the victim . . . and I don't mean Michael.

[springhill]

186. You have absolutely no idea............

whether he is guilty or not. You CHOOSE to believe he is, because that is what you want. Face it, your post proves my point. You just can't stand him personally, so somehow that makes him a molester. Please explain to me the PROOF that was presented that makes you so sure that is what happened. I really would like to hear it.

[sendero]

188. I have no more proof ..

... that he is guilty than you do that he is innocent.

Let's leave it at that.

[drdon326]

5. Now THATS funny.

[CatWoman]

15. no it wasn't

it was lame at best.

[jobycom]

22. Ooooo, very snappy comeback

Stupidest jurors ever. A prolific DUer really Michael Jackson... Know what's missing? Where you drop the clever line about whether she would let her son sleep in Michael Jackson's bed. Go ahead, hit her with that one, I'll bet you'll win then.

[BlueEyedSon]

35. I don't have to, you just did... thx!

[jobycom]

54. Oooo, you've convinced me now

MJ should have been found guilty despite a lack of any consistent evidence because golly, it would sure be creepy to imagine my son sleeping in a bed with him.

[Neshanic]

48. NO finger snaps. #5 said that sealed the deal.

[jobycom]

60. I'm pretty slow today...

What are finger snaps, and what was the rest of what you just said?

[Neshanic]

83. Juror 5 did not like the mom "Snapping her finger".

She made a big point of that fact.

[jobycom]

86. Ah, thanks. I'll watch for that.

What was her angle on why it was important? Did it convince her the mother was lying?

[Neshanic]

89. It pissed her off. She said something to the effect of how dare she.

[bettyellen]

119. true, they convicted the mom.

over the tone of her voice and gestures.
and i'm guessing that's why the OP thinks they're idiots.
how many of them have book deals?

[drdon326]

136. Exactly.....theyre IDIOTS.

[Eloriel]

145. Exactly right. Heartbreaking and disgusting. I saw Juror #1 a bit ago

and he said, when asked, yes, he found the testimony of the accuser believable, and then went on to say something about having to "work on that" during jury deliberations, the clear meaning being talk himself out of it/allow himself to be talked out of it.

I also think they got a bit too hung up on "reasonable" doubt. The sense I got was that they interpreted that to mean without ANY doubt whatsoever -- none, zilch, nada.

As one prosecutor type said, "This wasn't about the mother..." I just couldn't believe they

Just think of how the young man feels. Tragic. I hope he'll be okay.

I also heard sometime during the day that AFTER the accuser had been on the stand, telling the most intimate and embarrassing things of his life, when he finished, the jury was laughing and joking and not very sensitive at all to what had just transpired.

I think they were all in denial. And I REALLY didn't like their haughty disdain of and case against the mother.

[drdon326]

161. Exactly........

couldnt have said it better myself.

[Horse with no Name]

148. Maybe I read too much in it but the impression I got from the mother

snapping her fingers like that was that the mother showed her manipulative side.

[SammyWinstonJack]

147. Right On! n/t

[quinnox]

6. No jury could compare to the stupidity of the OJ jurors

[Toby109]

50. Oh yeah? How about those jurors

that voted for the shrub?

[quinnox]

55. True

You make a good point.

[LisaL]

129. I don't know. I personally think Robert Durst's jury takes the cake.

One of them thought they couldn't convict Durst as long as the head of the man he killed was missing.

[kath]

144. With that jury, they made sure to pick people who never read newspapers,

or much of anything else, for that matter. One woman bragged that the only thing she read was the racing form.

illiterate jurors judging complex scientific evidence. yikes.

[oldtime dfl_er]

7. Not dumb just dazzled

Someone in the media used the phrase "celebrity besotted" to describe our current society. Judging from how dogeared the People magazine in my office lunchroom is, compared with the news magazines, I must agree.

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby.24202078

[H2O Man]

8. I only watched part of it ....

but I've encountered cows with more insight.

[drdon326]

11. What a bunch of idiots.

the defense couldnt have picked a more brain-dead jury.

[CatWoman]

16. and the prosecutors couldn't have picked more

scumbag, impeachable witnesses.

[MzShellG]

85. I so agree with you..

These statements from the op are laughable.

[CatWoman]

95. Sometimes he makes my head explode

but I still love him, anyway.

[MzShellG]

127. I find it amusing...

:rofl:

[H2O Man]

20. I only saw two ....

Juror #10 and an older woman who said that she was convinced of something when the mother clicked her fingers in the direction of the jury.

I did not keep track of the case. My normal brother told me that there were a couple things that raised reasonable doubt, and that he did not think the jury could convict Jackson on the more serious counts. That may be. However, the jurors that I saw did not make reference to anything but the mother. I do not believe that her personality should have influenced the decision on the alcohol, for example.

I also had heard a few attorneys that I thought were quite well informed say they felt the jury would return guilty verdicts; others said the jury would likely find him not guilty on the charges. Reasonable people could view things very differently. But the two jurors I saw did not appear reasonable.

[drdon326]

26. I saw those 2 also....Definite chromosomal damage.

[Neshanic]

44. Yes Grammy finger click was not all there. Looked freeper.

[H2O Man]

65. The jury system is not perfect.

I think that high profile cases are equally likely to bring out the best and the worst in jurors. I would not think that lady has the capacity to serve on a jury in these circumstances. Again, I am not commenting on if Jackson may or may not be guilty of a criminal offense. I am not interested in his case per say, because I think the celebrity reduced the ability of the public to focus on the very serious issues involved.

[northamericancitizen]

116. Indeed, celebrity "reduced the ability to focus on serious issues"

Personally I don't think MJ is guilty of anything wrong.

(There was incest in my family so I am bias about anything that has to do with pedophiles.)

The young boy is as much a victim of his mom's greed than MJ'personality disorders.

[noiretextatique]

146. why would a freeper pass on a chance to convict a black man?

especially since many DUers wouldn't? right...it doesn't make sense.

[ls317]

155. ....

She was 80 years old

[SemiCharmedQuark]

9. "Everyone who doesn't agree with my opinion is stupid"

The new attitude towards justice in America.

[Ariana Celeste]

12. Lol. Sure sounds like it, eh? n/t

[jmaier]

23. justice, politics, sports, religion, abortion, Dean, choice of beer ...

[northamericancitizen]

120. The size of the bra, the roundness of the ass,

his or her ability to keep on trying to fix whatever "they" find disturbing...

[Debi]

25. Ohana means family....I'm just sayin n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

43. Guilty until proven innocent. If found innocent, you're still guilty!

[Reptilian]

10. Why because they took away the mothers golden goose. Wake up!

[Atman]

40. Fanboys aren't good with impartiality

Jackson has a history -- an admitted history -- of very strange and "unnatural" behavior with young boys. Stuff he has looked directly into a camera and admitted. But you're willing to dismiss ALL of it, and pre-judge the accuser, because why? You have all Jackson's albums, and you think "Thriller" was awesome? You don't believe this freak-show of a man, who went through hellish plastic surgery to make himself look like a WOMAN (Diana Ross), could possibly have done something to a young boy. Oh, no, couldn't be that. It MUST be the accuser.

Oh, and wasn't "Bille Jean" just kick-ass, too! WOOOHOOOHOOO!

[Reptilian]

52. So you believe anyone who has plastic surgery should be sent to jail.

Wow you really got some morals to be proud of. You belong in communist china. THIS IS AMERICA land of the FREE home of the BRAVE. YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. READ THE BILL OF RIGHTS. As I said I hade that freak I hate his music but I will be damned if I dont beleive in our justice system. The mother and the kid should be charged with grand theft larceny, extortion.

[Atman]

59. Oh for Christ's sake! What an absurd deflection!

Absolute claptrap. If you believe the mother should be charged, then so be it. But YOU have already convicted HER, and are outraged at anyone who doesn't agree that Jackson was innocent. You are being totally duplicitous. It isn't "plastic surgery," for Christ's sake...HE ALTERED HIS APPEARANCE TO LOOK LIKE A WOMAN! Why would ANYONE be surprised that he like men, young men, or boys?

Did you miss that part? HE ALTERED HIS APPEARANCE -- RADICALLY -- TO LOOK LIKE A WOMAN! There are entire web sites devoted to this behavior, you know. The fact that Jackson didn't to a weekly show in Provincetown doesn't negate the fact that he altered his appearance to look like a woman.

Your favorite line tonight has been "wake up." Well, do it.

[Reptilian]

64. I think the real reason you want him prosecuted is because he is BLACK

I will state ONE MORE TIME I CANNOT STAND THAT MONKEY he belongs in a cage. HOWEVER I BELEIVE IN OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.

[drdon326]

69. You call him a "MONKEY" ??

Hes not a monkey.....just a child molester.

[AntiCoup2K4]

107. This is true. We all know who the monkey is....

[Ariana Celeste]

66. While we're at it,

let's convict all Drag Queens and transexuals! I mean damn, any man who would prefer to look like a woman HAS to be a child molester!

His appearance is not a part of the case, if you think he's guilty, good for you, but that is such a crap argument.

[Reptilian]

72. Thank You Im glad their are still people who beleive in the AMERICAN JURY

[Ariana Celeste]

75. Yes there are quite a few of us here.

Welcome to DU, by the way. :).

[Reptilian]

80. Thank you... :)

[CatWoman]

113. Welcome to DU, Reptilian

:hi:

don't let those two shout you down.

There's a lot of us here who agree with you.

[Reptilian]

124. I won't and thank you. I hate Michael but I beleive everyone is innocent

until proven guilty...

[candy331]

133. Why do you hate MJ? Did he do something to you personally?n/t

[maddiejoan]

178. Altman writes:

"HE ALTERED HIS APPEARANCE TO LOOK LIKE A WOMAN! Why would ANYONE be surprised that he like men, young men, or boys?"


That is easily one of the most vile, bigotted, transphobic things I've ever read on DU.
You have, however, hit the nail on the head as to why people pile on to assume MJ's guilt.
His gender ambiguity creeps out the unevolved.

As a transgendered woman I am deeply offended at your assumption that anyone who would alter their appearance to look like a woman would be a pedophile.

[downwitbush]

13. hmmmm....

i think the problem was the jury instructions.
I believe we should have convicted him, but of course i wasn't there.
The instructions kind of prevented a conviction with the evidence though.

[Debi]

28. Didn't the jury insturctions link this case to the original case?

and that if they found him guilty of the original case then he must be guilty of this one? Or am I going crazy?

[downwitbush]

49. i dont think so

if i remember correctly it was a case of "beyond a reasonable doubt"
this effectively killed the "he said she said" prosecution case.

[Debi]

63. Okay, sorry, I thought I saw in the paper

that one of the instructions had something about the past case.

From the Billings Gazette:

"Evidence has been introduced for the purpose of showing the defendant committed crimes other than those for which he is on trial," the approved instructions read. "This evidence, if believed, may be considered by you only for the limited purpose of deciding if it tends to show a characteristic plan or scheme to commit acts.


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

That must be what I was thinking about.

[Kraklen]

14. Then why did you vote "not guilty?"

Wait, what's that? You weren't on the jury? Then how do you know what you're talking about?

[drdon326]

17. Jesus-Juice for you.

:beer:

[LibDemAlways]

18. I watched a few minutes of it and two things

stood out. There was a fairly young guy (maybe twenty) who seemed awestruck to have been chosen. Said something about how the experience was similar to what he's seen on tv. Not the brightest bulb on the panel.

The woman who responded first when the reporter specifically asked for parents on the jury to comment clearly hated the accuser's mother and gave the impression that if Jackson had committed those acts with the boy, it was the mother's fault. Listening to follow up comments by others, it was apparent they may not have believed Jackson to be entirely innocent, but they were not going to cut that mother any slack.

[Sapphire Blue]

97. IMO, it seemed as if they convicted the mother.

The juror (#10) who was front & center, responding as a parent to the question whether she would approve of her own child(ren) doing such a thing (sleeping with MJ) stated, "... What mother in her right mind would allow that to happen...? When asked whether the mother was at fault rather than Mr. Jackson, #10 stated that she would like to comment, but at this time she believed that she shouldn't.

If MJ was truly 'not guilty' on all counts as the jury voted, then what's wrong with sending your child(ren) to an innocent pajama party:sarcasm: with a middle-aged man with a Peter Pan complex... what parent in their right mind wouldn't jump at the chance to send their child(ren) to this kind of an innocent pajama party :sarcasm: with such a famous, benevolent, and child-loving :sarcasm: celebrity? :sarcasm:

Was MJ guilty or not guilty? Only those present at the 'pajama parties' know the truth. The jury heard the evidence that they were permitted to hear, and their prejudice against the mother was apparent... to me, at least.

Jurors critical of accuser's mom - Video @ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3693064/

[Neshanic]

111. Thanks for that link. Excellent points.

The mother was convicted.

[Lindacooks]

151. Excellent points. And that's the crux of the matter.

I could not believe my ears when that juror said that about the accuser's mother. I also can't believe her head didn't spin around in her neck, because she directly contradicted herself in about 6 words. Whatever happened to logical reasoning and cognitive dissonance?

[Sapphire Blue]

153. Lesson learned... if one intends to molest a child, select a child whose

... parents will never be believed at trial... welfare cheats, liars, poor, gold diggers, broken homes, etc. Oh, that's a lesson that child molesters have already learned, isn't it? This trial just reinforced it.

As for juror #10, I wonder whether she later watched the jury's press conference and reflected on the disparity between her comments and the verdict.

[drdon326]

166. Juror #10 couldn't reflect on a mirror.

its amazing . I hope that moron is happy today.

[Individualist]

175. Exactly

The jury focused on her instead of MJ.

[Neshanic]

19. Agree. They had "good food" though. Group of imbeciles.

[drdon326]

38. The one to the extreme left said he made "16 new friends".

WHAT.AN.IDIOT.

[drdon326]

180. imbeciles???

nah....they werent that smart.

but the food was good.

[MoonRiver]

21. I agree, but you better take cover.

The flying debris from MJ lovers can get pretty dangerous around here. Ask me anything. :D

[Neshanic]

33. Thanks for the heads up.

[lastliberalintexas]

51. MJ lovers, eh?

How about people who believe in the Constitution, who think that the government ought to by God be held to its burden of proof before being allowed to imprison an individual? Naah, couldn't be that, could it?

[Neshanic]

58. I'm all for the Constitution. Those jurrors know what it is?

"Food was GOOD!"

[lastliberalintexas]

73. Why yes, they do

They know what the rights of the accused and the government's burdens are through the court's charge (the jury instructions). They are told very clearly by the court what they must find to determine that a defendant- ANY defendant- is guilty. And unlike some other countries of the world, our government actually accepts an adverse verdict from its citizens.

Couldn't be one of the reasons why juries are always attacked by right wing authoritarians, could it? :think:

[Neshanic]

90. Sorry, Call waiting from my Ton ton macoute guys. Ok....

Of course they were given that.

This jury was a cult of personality. Star struck, and obviously did not try to see he was just a person, with bedroom issues with children.

[karlrschneider]

122. Absolutely! I'm APALLED by some of the comments I'm seeing here.

I personally never thought Jackson had any talent...at least not the kind that ever appealed to me and that he's been a complete nutball for years but goddammit, he had his day in court. I'm reminded of the lines in "A Few Good Men" where the lawyer's defending a sailor who was accused of possessing marijuana...says "it was oregano!", prosecutor says "but he THOUGHT it was marijuana"...he replies "my client is a moron, that isn't against the law."
:eyes:

[msongs]

27. maybe he is really innocent of the charges? don't let that stop you tho

from behaving like right wing christian coalition members.

Msongs
www.msongs.com

[MoonRiver]

30. Really sucks when people don't agree with you, eh?

But you can always result to cheap shot insults. Works for Rush. :eyes:

[Debi]

32. But he's weird and he's a celebrity and he doesn't act like me or

the guys on my bowling league. He MUST be guilty.

[noiretextatique]

29. so, are you folks saying you don't agree with the jury

or you don't agree with the jury system? or...is it that you dont' agree with the jury system when it doesn't return what you think is the correct verdict? well...at least you can't blame it on the black jurors this time.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

34. Ha!

"well...at least you can't blame it on the black jurors this time"

I was thinking the same thing. On the radio they said they didn't think race had anything to do with it. I doubt the general public would have seen it that way.

[noiretextatique]

57. nope, it wasn't about race...since mike has no race anymore

:D i'm just glad there weren't any black jurors...cause recall the atomosphere here after the OJ verdict?
:scared:

and just think of how long it took to convict the birmingham bombers and medgar evers killers. too bad there wasn't this much outrage about those cases.

[jobycom]

70. Wow

I haven't seen you around in while. Glad to have changed that.

:yourock:

[noiretextatique]

78. hey there, jobycom

:hi: i've been around of late, after a hiatus, but...i ain't going nowheres :D

[candy331]

135. Hadn't heard much at all of the accused killer of the 3 civil rights

workers in Mississippi, we should see this much response at the end of that trial. I'll be awaiting!

[maddiejoan]

179. Of course it wasn't about race.

It was about gender.

[stickdog]

31. They're smarter than the gaped mouth fools wasting their time

watching them. Not that that's saying much.

[Neshanic]

37. Yes, watching those who sit in judgement of others is a waste.

Hope you are never in a situation to prove something happened to a loved one, and have this squad of Santa Barbara morons sit and judge your case.

"Food was GOOD!"

[Bluebear]

36. Juror: "I am so proud to live here."

And to the world: "Please know that we took this with the most seriousness of anything we have done our entire lives."

Yeah, what a bunch of dopes.

[drdon326]

41. THAT ONE needs some serious genetic counseling.

[Bluebear]

46. These are ordinary American citizens, what gives with you?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

53. Maybe they could be turned into NeoCons....

...you know, the folks that believe that anyone charged with a crime is guilty until proven innocent, if they even get a trial.

And they're the same folks that believe if someone gets a trial and are found innocent, they're guilty anyway.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

39. You forgot to call them "activist jurors"

Or is that term reserved for judges? Sorry, I'm not on the fax list.

[lastliberalintexas]

42. Well, Dr. Don, let me tell you this

if you are ever accused of a crime, indicted and tried, please let us know. I will be certain to let the court system know that you don't believe in due process, that they can save the cost of the trial and proceed straight to the sentencing phase. The DA and judge will be happy to know this I'm sure- it saves them a lot of time and effort. Though the defense attorney will be out a little money- but who cares, since they're all scumbags anyway. After all, a hanging without due process is apparently what you'd like for another American resident to endure. What's good enough for another who is accused is good enough for you. Bill of Rights and the 14th amendment? Who needs *them*?


I think I'll go rent The Oxbow Incident tonight.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

76. BUT THE JURY OVERLOOKED THIS EVIDENCE!!!!!

:evilgrin:
"P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)"

Where Did You Come From Lady
And Ooh Won't You Take Me There
Right Away Won't You Baby
Tendoroni You've Got To Be
Spark My Nature
Sugar Fly With Me
Don't You Know Now
Is The Perfect Time
We Can Make It Right
Hit The City Lights
Then Tonight Ease The Lovin' Pain
Let Me Take You To The Max

I Want To Love You (P.Y.T.)
Pretty Young Thing
You Need Some Lovin' (T.L.C.)
Tender Lovin' Care
And I'll Take You There
I Want To Love You (P.Y.T.)
Pretty Young Thing
You Need Some Lovin' (T.L.C.)
Tender Lovin' Care
I'll Shake You There


Anywhere You Wanna Go


Nothin' Can Stop This Burnin'
Desire To Be With You
Gotta Get To You Baby
Won't You Come, It's Emergency
Cool My Fire Yearnin'
Honey, Come Set Me Free
Don't You Know Now Is The Perfect Time
We Can Dim The Lights
Just To Make It Right
In The Night
Hit The Lovin' Spot
I'll Give You All That I've Got

I Want To Love You (P.Y.T.)
Pretty Young Thing
You Need Some Lovin' (T.L.C.)
Tender Lovin' Care
And I'll Take You There
I Want To Love You (P.Y.T.)
Pretty Young Thing
You Need Some Lovin' (T.L.C.)
Tender Lovin' Care
I'll Take You There

Breakdown
Pretty Young Things, Repeat After Me
I Said Na Na Na
Na Na Na
Na Na Na Na
Na Na Na Na
Na Na Na
Na Na Na
I Said Na Na Na Na Na
Na Na Na Na Na
I'll Take You There

I Want To Love You (P.Y.T.)
Pretty Young Thing
You Need Some Lovin' (T.L.C.)
Tender Lovin' Care
And I'll Take You There
I Want To Love You (P.Y.T.)
Pretty Young Thing
You Need Some Lovin' (T.L.C.)
Tender Lovin' Care
I'll Take You There

[lastliberalintexas]

81. Grab the pitchforks! Get the posse together!

It's time for a good old fashioned lynch mob. Yee haw!

Shit- You know what the worst part is? I could really give a flying fuck about Jackson or his legal problems. But for the life of me I can't understand why so many posters here get their knickers in a twist over some perceived error of the legal system. Well, he is supposed to be a DOCTOR. :)

[Neshanic]

88. Now from on high...a wagging finger. No a snapping one.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

92. I agree..I've RARELY posted about Jackson

Except, after the Dale Akiki case, I get sick of people saying "He's weird. He must have done it."

[noiretextatique]

82. dammit, nsma

you found the smoking gun :rofl: psst...perhaps "beat it" too.

[Ravy]

47. You obviously haven't been the target of a zealous prosecutor.

I have. I can't see where the government proved its case, but it doesn't take much for me to arrive at resonable doubt when the government fudges on the facts.

[drdon326]

56. If i'm ever accused of a crime, I will DEMAND that jury.

[Neshanic]

61. In certain parts of the US and on a moon of Saturn, you will get it.

[Ravy]

62. If you are accused of a crime you didn't commit...

I hope you get one JUST LIKE IT.

[Neshanic]

74. If the jurors make new friends laugh and eat well, I will be happy...

That's of course if I do not farm out my child for a person with a history of, well bad sleeping situations.

That mom was not a saint, that's a fact. But if I was on a jury, I would not base my decisions on finger snapping and staring.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

68. And I hope you get them. They deliberated for days and even reheard

a great deal of testimony to arrive at their conclusions...


OK..Now I shall put my headphones back on and continue listening to Pretty Young Thing

[lastliberalintexas]

79. Why?

From what you've written they wouldn't do what you agree with. Why should you get a jury that will listen to evidence, deliberate for DAYS, and make a very tough decision under normal circumstances (mush less these), when, from everything you've written, you don't believe in such a thing?

Sounds like the gang in The Oxbow Incident would be more to your liking.

What's that you say? Oh, your anti-due process beliefs only apply to *other people*? I see...

[Cocoa]

71. diagnosing IQ's long distance isn't smart

my guess is you're just mad because you have something invested in this coming out the way you GUESSED it should.

[Neshanic]

77. Long distance? The magic of television. Try it sometime.

They wanted the press conference, they got it. They are morons.

[Cocoa]

91. you don't like the verdict

that has nothing to do with the jurors or their intelligence, that's about you.

[ck4829]

84. See the MJ story at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3851070

[bpilgrim]

87. were you sitting on the jury?

do you know any of those people?

peace

[drdon326]

93. You again ??

I saw them on tv....they were freightening.

[bpilgrim]

96. wtf is that supposed to mean?

"you saw them on the teeVee" ic :eyes:

peace

[drdon326]

98. It figures your a big MJ supporter

hope you never have to know about child molesters.


P E A C E

[lastliberalintexas]

99. He hasn't said anything about "supporting" Jackson

And I hope you are never put into a position of having to prove your innocence. It's certainly not as much fun as it looks on TV.

[bpilgrim]

100. thank you. this person sure jumps to lots of conclusions

the sad part is lots of folks do these days.

:hi:

peace

[drdon326]

104. Truth 2 Power ,bp.

like i said , i hope you never have to deal with it.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

110. MJ is a molester, Rachel Corrie is pancake girl..anyone see a pattern?

[lastliberalintexas]

114. And Terri Schiavo was alive, dammit

Why yes, yes I do.

[lindsayg]

126. noticed that awhile ago

.

[not systems]

140. And frontpage.com is a creditable news source. n/t

[not systems]

102. Maybe get a job doing remote diagnosis for Frist.

Since you have the skill set.

[Neshanic]

94. Yes, Did you see "Being John Malkovich?" I was juror 5, and...

sometimes 1. Depended on my mood.

[Old and In the Way]

101. No Michael Jackson Fan here.

Didn't like him in the 70's.
Didn't like him in the 80's.
Didn't like him in the 90's.
Don't particularly like him in the 21st century.

He's weird.
He's got lots of money.
He likes little kids.
He's an easy mark.

I am distinctly uninformed about all things MJ when it comes to this case. I'll leave it in the hands of the jury who had to endure that circus, evaluate the case and evidence, and reach a verdict.

He was found not guilty...fine with me. If they had found him guilty...that'd also have been fine with me.

The only real problem I have here: How will the corporate media fill the huuuuge gaps in their news programming cycles?

And that's all I have to say about this.

[candy331]

137. Useless media is scrounging for the next victim right now, of course

they have several ready and waiting in the WH, which could save them much time searching.

[msmcghee]

103. The Oxbow Incident . . .

OK I just added that one to my Blockbuster queue. B&W 1943, Henry Fonda. Can't wait. I get some of my best movie suggestions here at DU. Thanks.

Any more good ones in this vein?

[lastliberalintexas]

112. To Kill a Mockingbird of course

And 12 Angry Men, also with Fonda. Anatomy of a Murder and Witness for the Prosecution are a couple of other older movies worth watching. Philadelphia and The Verdict are good courtroom dramas, though they are about the civil system instead.

I'm certain I'm missing some very obvious ones, so hopefully someone will add to my list!

[msmcghee]

117. Thanks Last Lib . .

I've seen some of those but I think they're all worth re-watching. I think I always have a different take on a movie after I watch it again. I also notice things that I completely missed the first time around. I don't think I've seen The Verdict though.

[GreenArrow]

Runaway Jury

that's a recent one.

[Catherine Vincent]

105. No flames.

Although that's what you really want.

[progressivebydesign]

106. You deserve a flame. You're right. You're being mean.

For the record, my Brother in Law was in the selection for the juror process for that trial. He is not stupid. Those jurors are not stupid. Just because you made up YOUR mind as to MJ's guilt or innocence, doesn't make the jurors stupid. Why are people being such jerks tonight about this?

[Geek_Girl]

109. I agree

It's like they bought into the whole hyper media bullshit of MJ guilt.
I don't know if MJ is a child molester or not but the parents of this child do not seem credible at all and that may very well have been enough for a reasonable doubt.

[Avalux]

132. The PARENTS were not on trial -

you've bought in to the defense's line of bullshit.

[Geek_Girl]

134. Their credibility and their child's credibility

were pertinent to this case. They weren't credible. This gave the jury reasonable doubt. Under our laws the jury did the right thing.

[Geek_Girl]

108. I watched and Listened to the Jury

They left me with the impression that they were very thoughtful and deliberate in this case. The jurors were asked specific questions and one said she didn't like the mother snapping her fingers at them. But they did not give me the impression that they based this whole case on whether the mother snapped her fingers.

[Avalux]

130. They were preoccupied with the mother

the defense succeeded in their objective. Would the verdict have been different if the jury had liked the mother and found her believable? You bet. The jurors were dumb.

[Generator]

115. My exact thoughts: they look like Bush voters

But I could be wrong.

[ChiciB1]

118. Personally I Think Jackson Has Gotten Very Weird, BUT

I also think the perhaps there was a LOT of piling on going on here.

Jackson has done a lot for many many kids, and I think he himself has some unresolved issues. But I don't actually think he ever molested anyone. The circumstances look bizarre, but then again I have a grand-daughter who sleeps with me when she visits.

As we all know the MEDIA has it's own little way of hyping far too much, and perhaps the facts being reported weren't exactly what the jury heard.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, even though I've never been a Jackson fan, nor have I ever bought any of his recordings. In a lot of ways I think he's simply a very lonely person who never has been able to cope with so much in his life. To me, he's almost like a kid himself and that is really sad. I hope he can begin to recognize just how different he looks to most of us.

Call me a bleeding heart, but I think Snedden stepped over the line by going after him in such a fierce fashion.

Things happen for a reason, I guess. I'm not too upset about the verdict though.

[B Calm]

121. What kind of parent would send their kid over to Michael Jackson

to spend the night in the first place? He has already had a history(though not proven) of child molesting. The word GOLD DIGGER ring a bell?

[Reptilian]

125. She lost her golden goose..wonder what she will do now.

[Lindacooks]

152. Hopefully sue Jackson in a civil trial.

And force him onto the stand.

[candy331]

138. Better stop that letting granddaughter sleep with you before you are

called weird/possibly a molester. A sick society sees evil in even normal relations.

[ChiciB1]

139. Geeezzzz, Don't I KNOW It!!!

How can I defend myself??? Truth be known, I really love our relationship, but now that she's 9 years old.... well just what will they say???

And the worst thing is... she has a very BAD habit of sleeping ALL OVER the bed. Most of the time I'm having to remove a foot from my face!!

Hush, hush, let's not let this one out!!

Oh, and just to make it even more interesting.... we're BOTH FEMALES! OOOOHHHHH, the "L" word!!!

Help me before I do something TERRIBLE!

[Alacon]

158. Interesting

It would make it more pertinent and on topic if you were sleeping with children not related to you 365 days in a row in one case. So are you sleeping with girls not related to you on an ongoing basis?

[ChiciB1]

173. I DUUUUn'T SinK SO!!!

My husband might have a problem with that!

[ChiciB1]

174. Better Add One More Thought To This,,,

She Only gets to sleep in "Our" bed when he's out of town.

Didn't want to turn this into something even MORE incriminating! HA!

[shadowknows69]

123. the prosecutors put on a pitiful case

everything that could go wrong pretty much did.

[LisaL]

128. I have no doubt, they will be at Neverland parties.

Just hope they don't bring their kids.

[jayfish]

131. Why Do You Hate America?

Oh, and to wish harm on people who have just done their civic duty is one of the DUMBEST things I have ever read. ...and your a doctor?

Jay

[beyurslf]

141. Reasonable doubt seemed pretty easy to come by considering the star

witnesses for the Da were liars and cheats. I might think he is weird and maybe even guilty, but beyond a reasonable doubt? Come on...

[barb162]

176. Yep, "not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" doesn't mean

Jackson was innocent. One woman in the jury made an interesting comment to the effect she thought he was a child molester but the prosecution didn't prove it. The witnesses lacked credibility. If he is a pedophile, he will probably do it again.

[SOS]

142. Maybe you'd be happier

if the jury consisted of 12 men, in their 50s, with undergrad degrees from Yale and MBA's from Harvard. We all know how smart and handsome they are.

Condemning a group of average Americans by their physical appearance and their words in a 5-minute TV interview would indicate the IQ of a bedpost.

[Bluebear]

143. With "folksy accents"! Don't forget folksy accents!

[NMMNG]

149. Yeah,

Apparently if you are a huge superstar accused of multiple crimes in this country they might as well not even waste the time and taxpayer dollars on a trial. :shrug:

[EFerrari]

150. Agree. And the idiot press made it about MJ. not about the kids.

:puke:

[jam_gov911]

154. WHY?

what comments or opinions of the jurors led you to belive they were so dumb? or unqulified to rule the verdict?

[Alacon]

159. A couple of points

On why I think this jury, while not dumb, was not too bright.

They spoke after the trial so strangely, like group think. They made it very clear that at the beginning of deliberations there would be no rancor. If you are debating your strong beliefs, there are going to be flare ups. Then that one juror, who said "I made 19 new friends". Um, is this what you came here to do? Silly me, I thought you were judging a trial, not going to a social gathering.

I am not going to say whether they came to the right conclusion or not. Perhaps they did. But one of the jurors really had it out for the mom, and that is not what this trial was about. Oh yeah, but they did have good food!!!! WTH?

[NVMojo]

160. sending someone to prison based on hearsay, especially when we are

dealing with a con artist family, is laughable. How can you ever be sure people are lying or telling the truth?

[Ronnie]

162. Well, One of them said

she could tell what the witnesses were thinking by the looks on their faces. Wow.

[DavidFL]

163. Things like a witnesses' facial expressions and body language...

are also what a judge would look at, in addition to considering the witness' testimony, during a bench trial. These things are pretty good indicia of whether a witness is, or is not, being candid, perhaps omitting something, or even perjuring themselves. In other words, it does play some part in whether a witness and their testimony is judged credible or not. So it would not be unusual for jurors to do the same. As a matter of fact, the presiding judge at this trial was probably doing the same, as well as watching the jurors' reactions to the witnesses.

[Malikshah]

164. Why am I not surprised

n/t

[ProfessorGAC]

165. Repeating From Another Thread

I think the idiots are the prosecutors.

By bundling the charges, some of which they had very little substantial proof, they ran the risk of having enough charges be unproven as to cast doubt on any of the charges. They blasted away with a shotgun HOPING to hit something, rather than taking dead aim and succeeding.

Once 2 or 3 or 5 of the charges were shredded by lack of substative proof, the jury was going to become suspicious of the other evidence and charges. When the standard is "beyond reasonable doubt" creating any situation which casts doubt on any of the charges or evidence is an awfully foolish game.

The idiots were those that work for the county or state. The jurors just behaved like human beings. That's their job.
The Professor

[underpants]

167. I was very impressed by them.

The interview with them told me everything I needed to know about a case I largely ignored-bad case, bad witnesses, no time line what so ever, not a hard decision.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

168. I think it was

Jeffrey Tubin who was on CNN said something about the time line of the case. When the alleged victim appeared on the Bashir Interview with Jacko they had been friends for almost two years. It was 19 days after that the molestation charges came up.

And the jurors accusing the mother of not being credible was another way of saying that the accuser wasn't credible either.--IMHO

[earth mom]

170. Jacksons' lawyer gets the big bucks

because He's smart enough to find people as dumb as rocks. I watched a little bit of the Michael Jackson fest last night before total disgust kicked in after hearing some of the obviously low I.Q. jurors dog the mom the way they did! Jeez, it's not about them or their personal likes or dislikes of someone! It's about serving justice which they did NOT do in this case. Instead, they were swept away by idolization of Michael and hatred of the mom. What complete and utter stupidity! :eyes:

[izzybeans]

177. Dumb people like the jury foreman get things like Master's Degrees

Yep dumb. That guy, shooweee was he dumb.:sarcasm:

[drdon326]

182. Oh please.....

you can have a Ph.D and be a social/common sense idiot.

[ComerPerro]

183. So you were privy to all the testimony and evidence?

Too bad you weren't on the jury.

[RedCloud]

184. Smart people get out of jury duty!

Stop your whining. Maybe all dumb people should hear the candidates speak and then get sequestered for weeks before voting only after they prove to have sound reasoning.

In your face repugs!

[drdon326]

185. Did you see the interviews of the jurors ??

theyre idiots.

[leftofthedial]

187. all our systems are busted

[chieftain]

189. I'm sorry, that is the dumbest prosecuting attorney in the US.

By expanding the charges to include the conspiracy theory, he was required to call the mother. No one would convict based upon her past history and her behavior on the stand. This case should never have been brought.

[ElectroPrincess]

190. I'm sorry ...

You have confused me WITH SOMEONE WHO CARES. As I hope, a somewhat intelligent American, I don't give a shit about ANYTHING - repeat = *ANYTHING* having to do with celebrity trials.

Damn! Stick a fork in the MJ case, IT'S WELL DONE!!!

On Edit: I'm sorry (only to DU folks). It's just that I'm getting tired of it being National News day in and day out. :(