ABC reports that a dozen senators refuse to sign anti lynching legislation

[charlyvi]

Reported on AmericaBlog:

http://americablog.blogspot.com/

Over a dozen US Senators refuse to sign on to anti-lynching resolution
by John in DC - 6/13/2005 06:57:00 PM

I just heard this on ABC News. They're apparently holding the vote late tonight so they won't have to have a real roll-call vote (i.e., individual Senators won't have to vote up or down). The reason? So they can hide the 12 or so Senators who apparently think it's bad politics back home to sign onto a resolution that apologizes for not passing anti-lynching legislation sooner. Apparently, southern Senators fillibustered efforts to pass such legislation for years.

I don't care if they're Democrats or Republicans, I want to know who isn't supporting this legislation. We have a right to know, and to know why anybody in either party would permit the basically-secret vote to take place this evening in order to his who these bigots really are.

[Mass]

1. Look tomorrow who refused to sponsor the bill

Allen said they had about 80 at this point.

[linazelle]

75. Maybe this will reveal how right Howard Dean really was. n/t

[Kurovski]

94. I hope Dean brings it up.

I'm sure he can craft an appropriately damning slap-down that can really give this story legs.

The Repubs are so morally retarded that they still haven't even begun to recognise that there was something not to like about lynching.

Fits in with Dean's recent comments about Dems being the party of demonstrable moral values.

Republicans: promoting deeply-held values of the deranged racist mob.

[whistle]

2. The democrats need to expose these racists....

...although there may be some Democrats among them, eh?

[charlyvi]

3. Old style dems.....

former dixiecrats maybe.

[gollygee]

10. I don't care if all 12 of them are dems

they need to be exposed.

[Mass]

18. Agreed, but as of friday, 38 dems in the Senate had sponsored the bill

including most of the Democrats from the South (Only one I did not see in the South was Rockefeller).

[Media_Lies_Daily]

55. In regards to Rockefeller, I don't think West Virginia is considered...

...to be a Southern state.

I seem to recall that WV broke away from Virginia during the Civil War, and then sent a fair amount of troops to fight for the Union cause.

[Bucky]

60. Yes, West Virginia is a southern state. No question

For years they elected reliably pro-KKK senators (including the since-reformed Robert Byrd, who'se almost certainly a cosponsor of the apology in question). In 1861 the majority of the state didn't think secession was legal or worth it, but that hardly erases the century of Jim Crowism in state that followed the Civil War.

Also, remember who they voted for last year.

[charlyvi]

61. Yep. My grandmother lived in Charleston.

As southern as they come.

[lynne]

82. WV was Union in the CW -

- but is very southern in culture.

BUT I don't think this is a north or south issue as lynching wasn't confined to the south. I read somewhere today that at least 20% of known lynchings occurred in the north.

Geography is no excuse for not signing.

[gizmo1979]

43. Here is a list of 60 co sponsors

so we can through a process of elimination figure out who the 12 are.
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SE00039:@@@P

[DFLer4edu]

84. deleted

[whistle]

72. On my car radio, I was scanning the AM dial and heard....

....Neal Boortz profess when a listener made reference to the American Civil War that, "....on my show there was no such event as The Civil War, because a civil war is between two combatants who want to take control of the same government", or words to that effect.

Then Boortz says, "...that never happened because the South did not want anything to do with the government of the north. We wanted to secede and form our own style of government. So it was not a civil war, it was The War between the states."

Good God! These people are still fighting the civil war after 140 years. It was over the issue of the Bill to Apologize for Lynchings that the caller made this remark and Boortz went ape-shit on the caller, as only Neal Boortz does so bombastically.:puke:

[Montauk6]

81. Lawd Have Mercy!!!

This is like that episode of Bullwinkle when that southern colonel would interrupt whenever someone would utter the words "civil war" and correct them with "WAW BETWEEN THE STATES!"

[Tsiyu]

88. Some go even further

It's the "Waw of Nawthen Aggression"

[AuntPatsy]

4. I can't believe that anyone, no matter the party affilation would refuse

to sign?

[indepat]

26. I can't believe what the Congress has done these past 53 months but

the reality of what they've done hits us in the face every day: I put nothing past them.

[babylonsister]

5. I read on here earlier that they've tried to pass this

200 times! (Read it recently.) Some progress, eh?:eyes:

[KittyWampus]

34. 200? Enough To Weep Until The Tears Are Gone

:(

[Sanity Claws]

6. Hey Frist --- up or down

Up or down. Maybe they should replay Frist saying that over, and over, and over...

[gizmo1979]

7. They must be forced to vote in the light of

day so the world will know who the bigots are.Maybe we'll just paint the whole party bigots since they are willing to hide the dirtballs!

[BlueJazz]

8. Even though I was raised in the South (Florida) I can fully.....

..understand why some folks (even on this board) make Fun of the "Redneck South"

Let me tell Y'all....The Redneck South deserves it...

[charlyvi]

9. Yep.

I'm in Alabama and I hate to say that racism can sometimes be a vote getter down here. Not as much as it used to be, though.

[yurbud]

11. HOWARD! Woo hoo! We got another job for you.

Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:

[charlyvi]

12. LOL!

And I bet all 12 Senators are as Christian as they come.

[chalky]

28. Well, Christian, yeah, but surely not all of them are white?

:sarcasm:

[yurbud]

59. "We turn the other cheek--to look for a rope."

Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:

[tavalon]

78. By Christian,

do you mean "Christian", because anybody who won't vote yes on this is not a real Christian.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

13. How do you know they're Southerners? Or is that just another....

...DU knee-jerk reaction toward the South?

[Fla4kerry]

14. Lynching and legislation

Cspan has the Senate speaking on this right now. Sen Kerry just spoke, now Sen B.Oboma is speaking.

[Terran]

16. He didn't say they were southerners

The reference to southerners in the article refers to Senators from southern states who fillibustered this bill continually back in the 1920's. But let's be real here...most if not all of therm are probably southerners.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

54. Right. Whatever you say.

[Terran]

73. Um, try reading the post more carefully.

I'm not "saying" anything, I'm just relaying what you can see for yourself if you want to see it. Your sarcasm is unwarranted.

[charlyvi]

17. Well, technically we don't.

But the sentence "Apparently, southern Senators fillibustered efforts to pass such legislation for years." seems to offer a clue. But, technically we don't know. And by the way, I live in Alabama. I don't Southern bash.

[monobrau]

67. I'm from the south

And I'd be surprised to find that they aren't from the south.
The only knee jerk reaction I see is your defense of the redneck scum that continue infect the south.

[iwantmycountryback]

87. Take a look at my post and see for yourself

At least 6 or 7 of the 12 are probably Southern.

[katinmn]

15. The cats out of the bag now!!. Everybody save this thread.

Those 12 racist assholes can stand before the whole country tomorrow.

[Generic Other]

19. Cowards

Pretty pathetic.

[Old and In the Way]

20. This is unbelievable.

Did I just wake up in the wrong century?

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. Let's list them! Who do you think would refuse to sign? ALL repukes!

I say>>>>>>>>

Trent Lott.........Mississippi

Jeff Sessions.........Alabama

Kay Bailey Hutchinson........Texas

John Cornyn.......Texas

Thad Cochran....Mississippi


Jim Bunning......Kentucky

Mitch McConnell...Kentucky

Saxby Chambliss...Georgia

Isakson, Johnny...... Georgia

Richard Shelby......Alabama


Bill Frist......Tennessee

James Inhofe.......Oklahoma

James Talent......MO

[charlyvi]

23. Read post 10

Apparently, most of the Southerners sponsored the bill. Sponsoring and passing are two different things though.

[bobbieinok]

36. is this list accurate????? source/link????? ...... Inhofe no surprise

[charlyvi]

39. Here's a list from another thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3851625

[bvar22]

52. Read the post:

#21 was GUESSING who the 12 would be.

[AntiCoup2K4]

49. Frist & Talent are both on record as supporters

...otherwise your list looks accurate so far.

And Dr. Mengele is probably only volunteering because he's majority leader and potentially a presidential candidate.

[AirAmFan]

65. The list of 39 holdouts (6D, 33R) as of last Thursday is at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3851625&mesg_id=3851948 .

Your list has some mistakes that others should not spread.

The Senate's own list of sponsors and cosponsors (numbering 61 as of Thursday and still at 61 tonight) is at http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SE00039:@@@P .

All but six still not on board are Republicans, mainly from the deep South and from Western states with relatively few African-Americans. The shockers: Neither of Ohio's Republican Senators had cosponsored, nor had Chafee, Grassley, Warner, Wyden, or Reed.

Thus the Republicans have passed up a golden opportunity to give "left cover" to their campaign against the filibuster.

[Ms. Clio]

74. Of course--all the Southern states that lynched the most people

Texas, Mississippi, and Georgia being the top three.

[seabeyond]

22. pryor....wow, i am so glad they are talking about this

gotta be recognized. and where our country is going today, everyone should listen

[evolvenow]

24. HOW the $%#@%^!! can anyone be PRO_lynching? Unbelievable, and yet it is.

[charlyvi]

25. It's hard to believe, isn't it.

Maybe there's some sort of state's rights problem. Who knows.

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. I WANT A LIST OF WHO DIDN'T SUPPORT THIS SO WE CAN

EXPOSE THEIR ASSES!! It's 2005 for CRYING OUT LOUD!!!! EVERYONE should have supported this! How DISGRACEFUL!! What, do those fuckers believe linching human beings is OK? I'm just so damn disgusted with those repuke bastards! I truly do hate them. They repulse me! :grr:

[randr]

48. I want a list of all who support it.

Anyone not on the list will be considered as against it.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

29. Nominated..as I feel this will most probably vindicate Dean's statements

[charlyvi]

30. Yep.

Dean is usually ahead of the curve--they'll all be agreeing with him eventually.

[slor]

31. You people seem to hate freedom...

the freedom of bigots to kill.

[charlyvi]

32. You know, once someone said to me....

When I told her we were a free people, that we weren't really free. I asked her what she meant and she said, "We aren't free to be bigots". Honest.

[slor]

37. When I was in my younger years...

I used to ask white people (some friends, some strangers) at parties/social events, if they ever disliked or hated blacks at anytime in their lives. Now I cannot say whether they answered the way they did, because I seemed so earnest in my questions, or if it was due to the fact that, at the parties I attended, the booze flowed freely. But I was always amazed that many people answered "yes". Some of them were good friends, and I should mention that I am a black person. Those were some profound conversations for those of us involved, and while I did appreciate their honesty, I was always shocked by how rampant such bigotry was.

[charlyvi]

45. That must have made you feel awful.

So sorry. :hug:

[slor]

62. No...just the opposite...

it showed that they could evolve and unlearn the hate. It could have been their contact with different cultures (most came from all-white neighborhoods) as well as the effects of attending college, and becoming more wise. In any event, I was shocked, but it all ended in a good place.

[charlyvi]

64. Good.

I guess we all feel safer in our little worlds, and it's a shock when we find out how little they are! I think that's called growing.

[The Pro From Dover]

33. Helpless

I was watching ABC news when the reporter said that a dozen or so senators were going to vote against this bill and my jaw just about hit the floor. I think this story needs some serious press to expose this outrage, but other than in the report, DU and America Blog I haven't seen this mentioned. Atrios linked to John's blog, but he has since taken it down. I can't find a transcript either. I think Janet Cohen made a statement but I can't find it anywhere :(

Bah, I feel so helpless sometimes.

[charlyvi]

35. The votes will be listed on the Senate website after the vote

No? Then we can find out.

[yankeedem]

38. They're trying to pull a voice vote

So that the racists won't have to be on the record.
Dems have to stick around to call for the recorded vote.

[katinmn]

68. well, you've come to the right place!

Just kidding.

If you don't feel helpless and a little depressed these days there's something wrong with ya. :)

Welcome to DU. Bookmark this thread and check back tomorrow.

We'll get the word out on those 12 sorry excuses for senators.

[newyawker99]

90. Hi The Pro From Dover!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Rainscents]

40. Can someone please explain this bill to me?I don't know this bill is about

[charlyvi]

42. It's a formal apology for the lynchings of the past.

And some Senators won't sign on to it.

Here's more from MSNBC about the nature of the bill:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8206697/

[Rainscents]

Thanks!

[Rainscents]

50. Who ever don't support this bill, Dean must come out and swing at

the basters! I hope Randi will bring this up too!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

76. More accurately, it's an apology for failing to outlaw lynching. (nt)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

41. Lemme guess? Red or Blue state senators?

RED!! I love sure things.

[charlyvi]

47. My first guess was Southern.

But after thinking about it, Western is just as likely. But we won't know exactly who voted for it; someone said it's a voice vote.

[Inland]

44. It sets a dangerous precedent to stand up for trials these days.

Next thing you know, Jose Padilla will want one. Best not open up a can of worms by bitching about lynching.

[charlyvi]

46. Yep.

And God help us if those Guantanamo criminals ever come to shore.

:sarcasm:

[Mnemosyne]

56. Jose Padilla

Jose Padilla : U.S. Citizen Imprisoned Without Trial or Charges for 3 Years and 36 Days

Pass it on.:puke: :bounce: :wtf:

We must not forget.

[Catherine Vincent]

51. I want to know which 12 right now!!!!

[charlyvi]

53. So does everyone here.

My guess is they will go ahead with the voice vote to cover their asses.

[Rainscents]

If they do, I hope someone will leak the names out to public!

[katinmn]

69. well, it will have to be us, AGAIN.

Don't you feel like you have to put in a lot of time just bird-dogging these jerks?

[acmejack]

58. I am willing to bet both of our Texas senators

will be on the list. If Hutchinson is on the list we will have a big stick for the race coming up in 2006!

[Bridget Burke]

83. Kay Bailey Hutchison might NOT be on the list.

She's long had a reputation as the Less-Insane Senator from Texas. It started when the hideous Phil Gram was her colleague.

And if she's going for the Governorship, she might be marketed as Less-Insane than Governor Goodhair.

[Chauga]

57. Disgusting

[Bluebear]

63. Senator Frist! We want a fair UP OR DOWN VOTE!!!!!

Come on, Senator!

[katinmn]

70. ooooh, I love your walking puppy!

he's so cute.:)

[Bluebear]

71. arf :)

[Carla in Ca]

66. This is a good thing, but

Tell me, who is worse?

The conservatives who don't vote for it or the conservatives who are, but only for that 'big tent' image?

[fortyfeetunder]

77. Lack of courage....

How in the hell do they think they can maintain credibility with the American public with shenanigans like this? They want to be known as sleazebags.

Come on you 12 ball-less wonders. Show some courage. We want to know who you are....

[Skidmore]

79. I heard on Morning Sedition that Trent Lott was one of them.

[entanglement]

80. Fuck them! I want to know who these bastards are! n/t

[DFLer4edu]

85. Senate rules: It only takes one senator to call for and up and down vote

I don't know if that is actually true or if my memory is failing me, but if I remember correctly all it takes is one senator to call for a real vote and we get one. Could anybody confirm this? If that's so all it would take is to convince one senator and we've got a real up or down vote.

[iwantmycountryback]

86. They have info on this at swingstateproject

http://www.swingstateproject.com/

Signatures Missing From Anti-Lynching Bill

By a voice vote last night, the U.S. Senate finally passed "S.Res. 39, Official Title: A resolution apologizing to the victims of lynching and the descendants of those victims for the failure of the Senate to enact anti-lynching legislation."

Nevermind the fact that even Senator George Allen (R-VA) a co-sponsor of the bill is man who proudly hung a noose in his law office and confederate flag in his home. The problem is that 20 Senators did not co-sponsor the bill and it gets worse. Twelve Senators would not support the bill, that's why there was a voice vote as opposed to an actual roll-call vote where Senators would be forced on the record. We must find those 12.

80 Senators co-sponsored the bill in total. Right now, Thomas has 60 of the names up, and will add the rest within a day or two. From those 80, leaves 20 who did not sponsor (a sad statement in itself), 12 of which were spared from going on the record because no Senator stood up and called for a roll-call vote.

The names of the 100 U.S. Senators and their office phone numbers are in the extended entry. co-sponsors are crossed off. John's advice, call your Senators:

There is a list of Senators and the co-sponsors have their names crossed out. You should definitely take a look at this site, they think this group of 16 contains the Senators who oppose it:
Lamar Alexander R-TN(reelection2008)
Robert Bennett R-UT
Thad Cochran R-MS(reelection 2008)
John Cornyn R-TX(reelection 2008)
Michael CRAPO (R-ID)
Michael ENZI (R-WY) (reelection 2008)
Chuck GRASSLEY (R-IA)
Judd GREGG (R-NH)
Orrin HATCH (R-UT) (*reelection 2006*)
Kay HUTCHINSON (R-TX) (*vacant seat, 2006*)
Jon KYL (R-AZ) (*reelection 2006*)
Trent LOTT (R-MS) (*reelection 2006*)
Lisa MURKOWSKI (R-AK)
Richard SHELBY (R-AL)
Gordon SMITH (R-OR) (reelection 2008)
Craig THOMAS (R-WY) (*reelection 2006*)

[maxrandb]

89. This is 2005 Isn't It??

[dave123williams]

91. Who would have thought more than 10% of the Senate was pro-lynching?

....only anybody who'd paid a modicum of attention to the way they've been legislating.

[The Great Escape]

92. Lynchings By State 1882-1968 (link)...

http://www.berea.edu/faculty/browners/chesnutt/classroom/lynchings_table_state.html

[Horse with no Name]

93. In all fairness though....

These are probably the Senators who believe that the Holocaust never happened.
The reason they can do these kinds of things is because they believe the lynchings were necessary--therefore they can justify it.
A good thing I don't believe in an eye for an eye....jus saying...