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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 07:48 PM
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Some EXTREMELY salient quotes from newly released docs supporting DSM
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 07:54 PM by BigBearJohn
(we dismissed assassination of Saddam Hussein as an option because it would be illegal)

(Note from BBJ: killing over 1700 American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of citizens of Iraq is ok though)

29 In the judgement of the JIC there is no recent evidence of Iraq
complicity with international terrorism. There is therefore no justification
for action against Iraq based on action in self-defense (Article 51)
to combat imminent threats of terrorism as in Afghanistan.


32 For the P5 and the majority of the Council to take the view that
Iraq was in breach of 687;

* they would need to be convinced that Iraq was in breach of its
obligations regarding WMD, and ballistic missiles. Such proof would
need to be incontrovertible and of large-scale activity. Current
intelligence is insufficiently robus to meet this criterion
. (Emphasis added)


SOURCE: http://rawstory.com/aexternal/pdfstemp/ods020308.pdf
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 07:52 PM
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1. So many dead
because of those monsters. I hope we see some justice.
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BayouBengal07 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 07:57 PM
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2. Ohhh.
Burn.

MORE PEOPLE NEED TO SEE THIS.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:05 PM
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3. Oh BigBear..
How can we break through the hypnotism machine and get people to open their eyes?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:08 PM
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4. Is that 08 March 2003 or 2002?
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:13 PM
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6. I just typed what I saw in the PDF on Rawstory. You'll have to check there
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:24 PM
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8. I did
It says 08 Marc, but no year.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:38 PM
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11. The pdf link itself includes "020308", so I'm guessing 2002. n/t
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:09 PM
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5. Biding our time...
It keeps getting better, doesn't it? :hi:

Am I right to believe that almost any answer that * gives now, there is evidence to prove he is lying?

Is this getting as good as I think I'm seeing BBJ? Everyone?

Oh what a tangled web the morans wove!!! :party:

:kick:

V
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 08:09 AM
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23. For the informed
it is as good as it gets. The big problem now is that this will have to heat up in the media to get to mom and pop land. It's warming but it isn't as hot as it should be.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:59 PM
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27. It is hard to be patient.
but over the years I've found that many idjuts will hang themselves if given enough rope and time.

Hope for a heatwave soon!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:17 PM
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7. Thank you for providing these segments. How many more Iraqi citizens...
...and Americans and others will die before Bush's illegal war is halted?

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Please, everyone, don't stop at 500,000 signatures; don't stop at 10,000,000 signatures; don't stop until Bush and the neoconsters are indicted and prosecuted for their heinous crimes against humanity and our Constitution.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:26 PM
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9. Damn! How did I miss the part about assassination of Saddam Hussein?
Thanks for putting this together.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:47 AM
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20. I know, I still shake my head in disbelief.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:35 PM
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10. Oh the tangled web we weave....................
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 08:36 PM by Rebellious Republica
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:55 PM
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12. Talk about "bullet points"!
Thanks, BBJ.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:17 PM
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13. Great Post!
:kick:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:12 AM
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14. Very good. Also look at May 1 Guardian (UK) article on how 5 top
Bushie lawyers lied and bullied until Lord Goldsmith, the UK Attorney General, stopped worrying about how the Iraq War seemed to be illegal.

Amazing stuff, largely overlooked so far. Names are named, and they point to extensive complicity:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3847225
thread title: This May 1 EXPOSÉ ABOUT THE U.K. ATT'Y GENERAL complements the DSM:
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:13 AM
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15. push the media nonstop
:bounce:


Just a reminder of some very, very important links:

To sign Congressman Conyers’ letter

http://www.johnconyers.campaignoffice.com


To put and keep pressure on the Mainstream Media:

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/takeaction.html#awaken


http://www.afterdowningstreet.org


C-SPAN Ask--them to cover the Hearing on Thursday, 16 June:

events@c-span.org


Peace
O8)

Here is my standard letter to the Media:


Dear Sir/Madam:

As you know, on May 1 of this year a document now commonly referred to as “|The Downing Street Memo” was released into the British Press. This document raises serious question about how the administration was handling intelligence related to Iraq and appears to suggest that the Bush Administration had already decided on war when publicly it was claiming that no such decision had been made. Now further documents have been released in the British media which cast even further doubts.

These documents and other documents suggest that the Bush administration was determined to “fix intelligence” around a predetermined policy. Some of these documents make it clear that the administration had no credible plan for dealing with the post-war occupation.

It is most disturbing that there has been a virtual media blackout regarding “The Downing Street Minutes” and other disturbing documents.

Even more disturbing is the absence in the America media of any credible in-depth follow-up discussion or coverage regarding strong, credible and independent evidence that the Bush Administration intentionally mislead the U.S. Congress, the media and the American people.

I do hope you will accept the responsibility to address this issue and provide serious investigative journalism into this matter.

Furthermore, on Thursday June 16, 2005, Rep. John Conyers, Jr., ranking minority member of the House Judiciary Committee, and other House members will hold a hearing to consider testimony concerning the Downing Street minutes and questions of possible fixing of prewar intelligence. I do hope you will be giving full coverage to these events.

Sincerely,
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:36 AM
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18. Good letter
may copy and modify a bit!
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:47 AM
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22. thank you

I hope it can give people some ideas and then use some of their own word--thanks
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:19 AM
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16. Bush sold our kids down the river for his buds profits
I'm sickened.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:33 AM
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17. It's not like we had not suspected this all along...but to see it in print
I too am sickened. The arrogance of these people to feel they can get away with this...and they nearly did. (positive thoughts) I too am saddened because of the unnecessary carnage this has caused. So many ...so many.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:38 AM
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19. Bush lied Our kids died
See www.icasualties.org
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 01:48 AM
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21. kick
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 08:10 AM
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24. Kick for the morning crew
:kick:
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:56 AM
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25. kick
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:09 PM
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26. I called Air America this A.M. and got on the air. I talked about how we
would not assasinate Saddam because it was "illegal" -- but
we would throw America into an illegal war and kill over 1700
of our own and HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of Iraq civilians without
blinking an eye. How ironic. Ooops. Meant to say MORONIC.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:10 PM
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28. .
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:12 PM
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29. as the criminal Rummy said ---- "democracy is untidy"
note that it's NOT his son or daughters blood.
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:50 PM
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30. Have you met the enemy yet??
(yes, he is us....):scared: :cry:
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