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LilKim Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:43 PM
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Dean Haters FUCK OFF!!!
Why are the Democrats such weenies? Howard Dean makes the unremarkable statement that the GOP is the party of white Christians, and other Democrats run and flee and say, "Oh no, oh no!" And a Republican yahoo accuses Dean of "political hate speech." Neither "white" nor "Christian" is an epithet. A glance at the videotape from last year's Republican convention indicates that both characterizations are entirely fair.

And yet some Democrats think Dean is being too confrontational. We should be nice to the lying liars or people will think we're, gasp, partisan. "Partisan" is a good thing; it's what the Founding Fathers had in mind. The problem comes when one party stays very partisan and the other party starts modifying and mollifying and trying to find some mythical friendly center. I loved Mister Rogers, but I never thought he'd make a good chairman of the Democratic Party.

So maybe lunatic liberals should keep a few things in mind. First, the Bush administration is increasingly unpopular. The latest ABC/Washington Post poll reveals that 52 percent of the American people disapprove of the way Bush is running the country. Ask specifically about Iraq, and the numbers climb -- 58 percent disapprove of his handling of the war.

Which means, according to Eric Alterman, "George W. Bush's approval rating is now a full twenty points lower than Bill Clinton's was on the day he was impeached." I believe the American people want a party that will express their displeasure at the elitist and corrupt Bush administration in strong and vigorous terms.

People should stop believing the bullfluff that Fox News represents some significant percentage of the populace. The latest Nielsen ratings show that the Fox News Channel has 1,758,000 viewers in prime time, with only 416,000 falling into the 25-54 demographic. This is in a nation of 300 million people. However much noise it makes and however much room it takes up in the brains of media people, Fox is a very small muffin in a very large bakery -- a small, wizened, bitter muffin. Ignore it; everyone else does.

Elitist? Since February, the U.S. Army has missed its recruiting goals every month, sometimes by as much as 40 percent. People do not like the war, and they do not want their sons and daughters dying in the cause of ... whatever the cause is. You'd think that Bushies would support the beleaguered military by enrolling high-profile Republican scions in the Army -- both Bush daughters are eligible to sign up -- but it's not happening. Sacrifice does not play well in the "go back to sleep" Bush propaganda parameters. Nah, they make the wars -- let someone else fight them.

Corrupt? You bet. I think we have scandal fatigue, because some of the newer ones are just not getting any play at all. A senior Air Force procurement officer, Darleen Druyun, made a deal to lease Boeing refueling tankers for $23 billion, despite Pentagon studies showing that the tankers were unnecessary. Then Druyun quit the government and joined Boeing. Such a coincidence. Two years later, she pleaded guilty to conspiracy to defraud and was sentenced to nine months in the federal pen.

Meanwhile, the Bush administration has ignited a trade war with Europe over "illegal subsidies" to Airbus because the alleged subsidies hurt the trade position of, yes, Boeing. We'd never give illegal subsidies to Boeing, oh my no.

This is just one example of the malign effects of the revolving door between big business and the Bush administration. There's the case of Philip Cooney, a former American Petroleum Institute lobbyist who signed on as the chief of staff for the White House Council on Environmental Quality (!!). According to documents obtained by the New York Times, Cooney "repeatedly" edited official documents to eliminate or downplay the now widely accepted links between greenhouse gases and global warming.

The White House is still taking the position that global warming is a liberal conspiracy. The liberals' ability to cause a drought in Australia has amazed many.

This is merely the latest in a long series of incidents, from "abstinence only" sex education campaigns to downplayed links between smoking and heart disease, in which the administration has adjusted the facts to fit its conclusions -- and to please its corporate donors and its ultraconservative base.

Most Americans are neither ultraconservative nor superrich, and they are interested in hearing the truth. The Democrats should be interested in telling the truth, and telling it in a strong and convincing manner. They cannot flinch when the White House does one of its "gay marriage booga booga" dances. Be not afraid, Democrats. This is not an occasion in which the meek will inherit the earth. Speak for the people, because the people need you to end the madness.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/06/13/DDGM7C8B5I1.DTL
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:44 PM
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1. wow, that's the actuaL titLe of the articLe
?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:48 PM
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6. Dainty, huh?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:51 PM
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10. nah, sexy
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:55 PM
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13. :)
:D
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:45 PM
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2. You know ...........
......not agreeing with everything Howard Dean does or how he says it does not make one a "Dean Hater."

Unless, of course, you're a narrow-minded, intolerant dickwad wearing blinders and not able to see the whole picture.
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Very very sad Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:46 PM
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5. Exactly.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:58 PM
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15. whats a dickwad
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:59 PM
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16. Uh
I can't tell you here. I'll get in trouble.

But, when you see one, you know.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:35 PM
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33. Sensenbrenner would be one,...one very big, bloated one.
Hope that helps. :7
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:45 PM
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3. hear hear!
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:45 PM
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4. Damn ...
I like you ....
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:49 PM
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7. You've been hanging around Tom Cruise, haven't you.
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 09:50 PM by tjdee
"Americans are interested in hearing the truth"?

Really?

The writer of that article fails to explain how the Republican party continues to be a political party at all, considering how much their leadership relies on half-truths and flat out lies.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:16 PM
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28. Actually it was the Jack Nicholson character
in A Few Good Men that said "you can't handle the truth!!"
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:03 PM
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37. Yes, LOL, but Tom has been telling people to fuck off lately.
:)
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:49 PM
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8. The petty bickering and self-serving crap really hurts us all.
Just stop it.

Focus on the bile in the executive and in the Republican party.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:50 PM
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9. I love Dean!
I am totally interested in hearing the truth! Dean :yourock: So I am reminded of a Dem who said this, "We'll stop telling the truth about republicans when they stop telling lies about us." Who was that?
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:32 PM
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31. Your quote is attributed to Adlai Stevenson
one of the all-time great Democrats
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:34 PM
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32. Thank you! n/t
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:52 PM
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11. This is a kick ass article
:kick:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:54 PM
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12. Jon Carrol writes an intensely
chock full of information article..and funny, too.

"The White House is still taking the position that global warming is a liberal conspiracy. The liberals' ability to cause a drought in Australia has amazed many."


"Most Americans are neither ultraconservative nor superrich, and they are interested in hearing the truth. The Democrats should be interested in telling the truth, and telling it in a strong and convincing manner. They cannot flinch when the White House does one of its "gay marriage booga booga" dances. Be not afraid, Democrats. This is not an occasion in which the meek will inherit the earth. Speak for the people, because the people need you to end the madness."


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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:57 PM
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14. gay marriage booga booga" dances
:rofl:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:02 PM
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19. I know..I thought that was
Grrrrrrrrrrrrreat!
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whatgives Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:00 PM
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17. Dean is awesome!
Keep it up good Doctor:headbang:
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:01 PM
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18. I agree with the main idea
but I don't think I'd phrase the disapproval of the Dean bashers quite that way. I agree with Dr. Dean and think the time to tell the truth is NOW! and that's what he is doing. But I think we also need to try to work together to unite ourselves. We need to OVERWHELM the neo-cons and that means in a united front. Tell the truth but let's not be 'Dick Cheneyish or John Boltonish' about it.
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LilKim Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:09 PM
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25. Except
"I think we need to try to work together to unite ourselves" is SO namby-pamby boring that many fewer people would bother to even read the thread.

You also sound like a weenie.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:13 PM
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26. Really? "Weenie" this, Kimmy
If we don't get our shit TOGETHER, we're dead meat. How's that for a clarification for your presumptious self?:sarcasm:
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LilKim Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:16 PM
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27. Works great with your cat avatar
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:24 PM
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30. Do you want to discuss the issues
or just be 'catty?' I've no time for trolls, 'hon.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:47 PM
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35. Well, we could be "Joe Liebermanish" about it.
But then you would never hear the truth.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:28 PM
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41. I think we need to be "Deanish"
and give a united "yeeeeaaaaaarrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!" :kick:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:03 PM
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20. Hear hear!
I don't get why people are running from Dean either. He's telling the truth and the polls are obviously agreeing with him. So what's the matter? No more playing nice with republicans. They don't us so why should we? As Harry Truman said: "I don't give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Oh and also Dean has raised MORE money then McAullife ever did! So obviously other democrats like what he says.
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:04 PM
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21. I Agree Wholeheartedly!!
Howard Dean: :yourock:
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La Coliniere Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:07 PM
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22. The DLC needs to be marginalized..
they're the real problem. The DLC associates despise Dean and they'll go to any lengths to discredit him. The corporatists are all repugs at heart and need to be purged from the party once and for all.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:08 PM
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23. I ilke Dean
but just want to say fuck off cuz I just don't say it enough.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:09 PM
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24. Dr Dean speaks for me
Joe Biden never did, nor does Diaanne Feinstein, Harold Ford, Barack Obama, or Jomentum. So Hillary as you promote "we cant leave now" remember, the pukes will do it first, and blame the whoe thing on weekling,spineless,pink tutu, DLC dems - I'll remember Gov Richardson in the primaries, too
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:18 PM
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29. and GALLOWAY haters, too!
:evilgrin:

peace
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:41 PM
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34. Just had to get that
in there, eh? :evilgrin:
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 10:50 PM
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36. D'oh!
busted ;->

:hi:

peace
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:16 PM
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39. LOL!
:hi:
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Skypilot 18 Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:10 PM
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38. Wait a minute here.
You know Dr, Dean is doing his job when VP Darth Boogar has to crawl out of his bunker and spit venom his way on Fucks News

I think Dean is only dishing out what's being dished out at him.

Dr. Dean----you have my total respect
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 11:17 PM
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40. Same argument over and over again from Dean apologists...
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 11:19 PM by LoZoccolo
...based on the same made-up motivations you people put in the critic's heads...ignoring the same points we make over and over...it's all boring...maybe I should just fuck off, even though I don't hate Dean...
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