There are no real Pro-Life Leaders are there?

[patrice]

Name me anyone who has been a constructive force in that whole MESS. No solutions, just Regression.

Pro-Life is such a Lie; it can't even say the simplest things in defense of 100,000 Iraqi War Dead. or 1700 UN-NECESSARY Deaths-Of-CHOICE here + 12,000 American Wounded.

Pro-Life is Dead.

[bowens43]

1. No , however there

pro-fetus leaders.

A conservative is someone who believes that life begins at conception and ends at birth.

[patrice]

10. Thanks, I'm going to quote that.

This is essentially why they can't say anything, why they are impotent, Life is Expendable, The Ends Justifies the Means/Murder; they are PRO-WAR and that is to say they are ANTI-LIFE in their own blasphemous $$$ based economy.


If you've seen Animatrix, they are the Machine Monster that declares Flesh expendable, and, ultimately the source of SLAVES.

We ARE War Slaves.

[KamaAina]

2. Besides, 90 percent of their leaders* are men

I'm shocked. Shocked! :sarcasm:

[bugslsu9]

3. John Paul II

Whether you liked his stance on abortion (I know I did not) he was always consistent on valuing life, from conception to natural death. He was vehemently opposed to the war is Iraq, and said so time and again. I do not want to get flamed, but he was a leader for the cause.

[Warpy]

4. The only lives he never valued were the 50% of the population

that is female. Other than that little oversight, yeah, he was consistent.

Anyone who values a fertilized ovum beyond the living, breathing, thinking human being in whose body it resides is kidding himself. He's not prolife. He's pro pregnancy and pro slavery, thinking nothing of exposing a living, thinking human being to unwanted risk to health, finances, family, LIFE, and sanity.

Reproductive slavery is inconsistent with any prolife position.

[bugslsu9]

5. Listen

As I said, I did not, and still do not agree with him. Please make sure you are 100% clear on that. What I took the original poster's intent was pro-life and pro-iraq war. If I misconstrued the original poster's intent, I apologize. My comment was made only, and I stress only in reference to pro-life and pro-iraq war people.

[patrice]

12. John Paul II qualifies as one leader because he was clear on this.

It's ironic that I say that, because I'm a "lapsed" Catholic, because I reject their political alliances with people, Evangelistic types, who are ANTI-Life, not real Pro-Life + they're also PHONY Conservatives, who literally enslave others.

[MountainLaurel]

7. Not to mention

The lives of all those Africans who died of AIDS because he wouldn't condone condom use.

[patrice]

11. He qualifies as one, and only one. Catholic pro-Lifers should

be held to account for their own real pro-Life responsibilities in a more honest manner.

Pro-War is NOT Pro-Life.

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. And what good did it do him? He died anyway.

And that guy had connections.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

6. There is such a thing at the "seamless pro-life ethic"

These are people who are against not only abortion but also war and capital punishment.

That position is at least consistent. They're not just "pro-birth" but truly "pro-life," even for society's rejects, such as condemned criminals.

[patrice]

13. Who represents it? Cardinal Bernardin is dead. So who

in "the church" probably a Jesuit, like what's his name, Greeley? ( who's also an author of detective novels and is associated with Notre Dame (and the University of Chicago - ?)).

[Lydia Leftcoast]

16. Not many in the leadership, but a lot of rank-and-file Catholics,

both lay and religious, as I understand.

[patrice]

17. I have met some, but some of them are the pariah of "the Church" . . .

Liberation Theologists.

I've also met some great Friends and Methodists and many, many Unitarians. There is a Culture of Life in the country, but they are often characterized as weirdos by many others.

[Peregrine]

8. C. Everet Koop

A staunch pro-lifer that didn't let it influence his job as SG. When Reagan told him to find that abortion results in medical and mental health problems, he came back saying there was no credible evidence supporting such a claim.

I saw a film of one of his appearances at a pro-life conference after he left the SG office. He told them, that unless they accept contraception, they will lose the abortion fight.

[htuttle]

9. The Dali Lama is about it

However, his effectiveness is somewhat questionable.

(he's a good spiritual leader, but a lousy king for his people, IMHO).

[patrice]

14. True.

but, by definition, he's not "aggressive" enough on this issue to be a "leader", but he is identified with true/real Pro-Life values.