Wow, The DSM's got the Right trying to pull a Clinton...

[The Doctor.]

(I may still have fans from over there, so be civil. (not nice)

But I couldn't help having a look-see at some 'Conservative' sites and I came across several wingnuts trying to spin the minutes.

The best I've seen so far is how they're trying to redefine the word "fixed".

This is beautiful;

CherylynK Yesterday, 09:37 AM Post #3
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QUOTE(pepperonikkid @ Jun 13 2005, 09:21 AM)
'Downing Street' Memo Has Left Wingers Drooling
gopusa.com
Copyright © 2000-2005, GOPUSA.com, Inc.
By Bobby Eberle
June 13, 2005
Excerpt:
"Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

>> Continued -- Page 1 2 3

Full Story"

Am I the only one that reads that "fixed" as in "about a fixed point?" Which renders the whole memo pretty SOP and innocuous.

Noclevermoniker Yesterday, 10:18 AM Post #4

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QUOTE(CherylynK @ Jun 13 2005, 09:37 AM)
"Am I the only one that reads that "fixed" as in "about a fixed point?" Which renders the whole memo pretty SOP and innocuous."


Exactly my thoughts. Or, another way "anchored", "arranged", etc. I'm thinking that in Brit-English they'd have chosen another word for "doctored" rather than "fixed". The context seems pretty clear for me, but then, I'm not drooling...

It keeps getting better too, It'll be interesting to see if any of these people wake the fuck up.

[tallahasseedem]

1. It depends what you believe the meaning is of "is".

Just wait, the excuse and spin train hasnt even left the station. Im fairly confident the wordsmiths are holding meetings as we speak.

[democrat in Tallahassee]

3. Hi tallahasseedem!

[tallahasseedem]

7. Hi!

:hi:

[democrat in Tallahassee]

2. Yeah, those English have a different word for everything; it's like

a different language! "Arranged," "around a fixed point," "anchored" what the hell is the different. It was all "anchored, arranged around a fixed point" i.e., it was a lie.

[fob]

4. Does anyone know if the cover on the DSMinutes is BLUE?

[BlueStateGirl]

5. They are idiots. If it meant fixed point the memo would not have been

big deal to the Brits. They would have read it as backing up Tony Blair.

The memo would support his POV and don't you think he would be shouting that to the masses, if it did in fact support the case for war???

It means the same thing in Britain as it means here or it wouldn't have been such an explosive story in Britain.

They are all freaking morons.

[The Revolution]

6. I've seen this excuse before

Trying to claim that "fixed around" means something different in British English (or English English :)). The problem with that is, if it really means something completely innocent, then why was it an issue in recent British elections?

Besides, even if you took that out, this part: "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action", is still pretty damning, considering he was telling (and continues to tell us) that they only wanted to go to war as a last resort.

[tallahasseedem]

10. Yeah, kind of like wanting a fag.

We cant let them get away with this logic. Removing Sadaam and fixing the facts means the same damn thing in any language. Trying to redefine is because your trying to lie about getting a job is one thing, redefining fix because you started an illegal war in which you planned a few years ahead is another.

[gratuitous]

8. It depends on what the meaning of "is" is, right?

Yeah, Condi and a couple of others suddenly are bereft of English language skills, and their sycophants in the media and on line are more than happy to accommodate Dr. Rice's inability to decipher what it could possibly mean when someone says about them that they were fixing the facts and the intelligence in furtherance of their policy, rather than vice versa.

Also lost down the memory hole seems to be the reports out of the intelligence communities that unsatisfactory reports were being returned ("wrong answer, try again") and Powell and Cheney personally went down to Foggy Bottom to be sure that the right "facts" were being developed in furtherance of making the case for invasion.

Odd that the British memos seem aware of the fact that "regime change," one of the ever-shifting rationales promulgated by Chimpy, is actually illegal under international law. The corrupt Bush administration seems to make no such concession anywhere at any time. But as many criminals have found out, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

[The Doctor.]

11. It's a shame these people have so little information...

I wonder if their heads would explode if we finger painted a picture of the timeline of the Office of Special plans relative to the type of intel we were getting.

Think they would try and find a way to explain that one?

[donkeyotay]

18. The office created special to stovepipe the intelligence

You mean the OFFICE OF SPECIAL PLANS created to review all the raw intelligence to see if they could come to the right conclusion???

That office? The special one that makes the president look especially like a disassembler when we whines about how he was mislead by bad intell?

Shsss... no one knows about that!

[democracyindanger]

9. Boneheads. They're all wastes of oxygen.

NO MATTER WHAT DEFINITION YOU CHOOSE FOR "FIXED," THE FACT REMAINS THAT FOR BUSH THE WAR JUSTIFIED THE INTELLIGENCE--THE INTELLIGENCE DIDN'T JUSTIFY THE WAR.

Assholes.

[MindPilot]

12. "OBL determined to strike inside the US"

seemed to strain their linguistic interpretive talents as well.

So no one should be surprised they can't grok the definition of "fixed" in-context.

[BOSSHOG]

13. "I did not have sexual relations with that man

mr bush" - Tony The Poodle Blair.

[chaska]

14. It doesn't change the meaning of the statement at all...

In either case the policy (to go to war) preceded the intelligence and facts. No difference in practical terms.

[libertypirate]

15. Keep the focus off the "being fixed"

"being" is the verb not "fixed"

something that is being fixed is something indended to look as though it was always in it's fixed state.

[Inland]

16. So let's have a Senate hearing and ask the author precisely what he meant.

It seem clear enough to me, but if the Freepers want, they can ask the guy. Oh, they aren't interested? Oh.

[tex-wyo-dem]

17. It really doesn't matter what sense of "fixed" you choose...

when you put it with the words "around the policy" the meaning is pretty clear.

[Dawgs]

19. The important part of them arguing this is that it shows they know...

these minutes are damaging to Bush. The fact that they only have this argument is what's nice for us to see.

My response might be, "So if the word fixed means changed, you would agree that what Bush and Blair did was criminal, or at least damaging?"

[KharmaTrain]

20. Bobby Eberle? GOOPUSA? Am I The Only One Noticing This??

As the Pink Floyd song goes..."Welcome To The Machines"...you're seeing the hard core working on the hard core spin.