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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:42 PM
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If the US became a real "fascist state"
I mean worse than it is right now; 22nd Ammendment gone, the media compliant more than they are, the christian reich more in force than ever.

What would you do?

Is there really another country to go to where the "corporatocracy" cannot affect you?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:43 PM
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1. I'd go back to Holland where my husband is from
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:46 PM
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2. I don't think we'd know for sure when it would happen
The media sure as shit wouldn't let us know, so the masses wouldn't be able to fight back.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:49 PM
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7. It can be pretty depressing
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.

There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.

Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be right back after a message
bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver's seat.

The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:47 PM
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3. I would dig my heels in and fight until I got disappeared....
I would only leave the country if it was clear that I would be more effective fighting from abroad. I would not mindlessly martyr myself, I would do whatever I had to in order to be most effective in my resistance to the evil.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:47 PM
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4. australia then to new zealand, or costa rico n/t
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:49 PM
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5. Go against my
principles and buy a handgun and join the resistence. Although, I would prefer going back to France and my GodChildren.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 03:48 PM
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18. This is the reason i have never been able to accept gun control
We may need to arm ourselves in times like these.
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NYPagan Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 03:59 PM
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21. Thats sick.
Guns are never the answer, not ever. If you think that guns are the answer to anything, you have to think that maybe you misheard the question.
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:49 PM
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6. I sure as hell wouldn't be heading off to another country
I am not leaving the country of my birth. The only ones leaving would be those who turned it into a fascist state, whether it be from office, this country or plane of existence they would be leaving by hook or by crook.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:51 PM
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8. There was a great thread here a couple of weeks ago for survival skills
and equipment. It was pulled because it did, er, deal with guns...
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:58 PM
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9. Have you seen this yet?
Sensenbrenner's bill to appeal the 22nd ammendment! Bush for life!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1549692
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:03 AM
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10. I read that
Ugh. :mad: That man is a pure facists. :mad: I wouldn't leave either. I'd rather go down dying then leave to please these assholes.
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:08 AM
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13. Every time we get a two term president since the 22nd was ratified
every presidents supporters talk about it or look into it. Reagan did it, Clinton did it and now its Bush.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 01:17 AM
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17. That post was part of what sparked me starting this thread
We have heard for years "it can't happen here" but IMHO we've already gone far past where i personally thought we'd never go. I keep asking myself how much farther can we fall while the majority sit a do nothing to stop it?
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fricasseed_gourmet_rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:54 AM
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29. Have you seen Bush's approval ratings?
At this rate, he'd lose to Spongebob Squarepants in the Republican primary.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:03 AM
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11. I think I will revolt!
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:07 AM
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12. Reload
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:11 AM
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14. Where ya gonna go?
When this country becomes OPENLY fascist (when the Bushes consolidate their reich), then the ENTIRE world is under their reign.

This question is REALLY serious. Some places will be more safe than others. But, for how long? It's only a matter of time when a psychopathic Super Power decides to takeover the world. No one on the globe is safe then. Where ya gonna go?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:13 AM
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15. I was just watching a documentary about Spain, how it
has shaken off it's fascist past and is thriving economically because of joining the European union. It's beginning to look good to me.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 01:01 AM
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16. Can't afford to leave
flat broke now...but being in Cal., maybe we will just secede. After all, they have closed most of the bases here...
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 03:55 PM
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19. We're already planning to move to Japan, but "corporatocracy" is there too
But The culture there is more cooperative and egalitarian. I think it will be a better place to ride out the coming decades.

Also, the typical Japanese lifestyle depends much less on profligate use of fossil fuels, transit is plentiful, and the educational system is excellent.

Is it more democratic than the US? Very hard to say. Personal freedoms are roughly equivalent to what they are here, but over there we have inexpensive and excellent national health care, so that kinda cinches it.


No matter where you go, freedom and democracy are always there only as long as the citizenry are vigilant and diligent. Multinational corporations have their tentacles in almost every nation on earth. The minute they start broadcasting "Sky News", they've already got their foot in the door for eventual conquest.

BTW, there are Bilderbergers and PNACers from Japan as well as the more "progressive" European countries. They are influential in highest circles of government. Freedom can never be taken for granted, anywhere.
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NYPagan Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 03:57 PM
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20. If? How about has been for 5 years...
Republicans = Facists.

Plain. Simple.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 04:09 PM
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22. There is no place to run - everyplace is downwind.
:nuke:

Patriots fight for their country, with all available means. We did it before in 1775 & we can do it again.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 04:11 PM
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23. loading shotguns and waiting for the goon squad
I don't expect to prevail but they're gonna know I showed up.
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NYPagan Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 05:33 PM
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24. Bad, Bad Karma,
Don't allow their sickness to infect you.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:23 PM
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25. Just being a realist
Because if it becomes Nazi America once and for all I guarantee I'm one of the people they'll want to round up.
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Biased Liberal Media Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:59 AM
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26. It's bad enough when you feel oppressed in a place you live in
by not being able to speak your mind with bumper stickers just for the mere fact that people may run you off the road...

It's already there.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 05:12 AM
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27. Stop and think...
I don't mean to minimize the condition of this country, but imagine how it was during the McCarthy era. Fear of losing your livelihood, your reputation, your freedom just because someone whispers that you MAY have Communist sympathies.

How about a group of corporatists attempting to enlist the aid of retired Marine Corps Commandant, Smedley Butler, to lead an overthrow of the presidency?
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fricasseed_gourmet_rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 06:53 AM
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28. Ireland
I think the government over there has some kind of law that means I could be a citizen since my grandfather is. That'd make it easier to get work.
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