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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 09:40 AM Original message |
On guilty, not guilty, and presumptions of innocence .... |
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Hand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
1. Scottish legal system had an extra verdict category. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 10:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Interesting. |
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Hand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 09:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
57. Well, good on ya! |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 09:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Well yes. |
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Hand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Well, that was less than brilliant of me... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 02:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. He tends his garden .... |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 01:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. "Not Convicted" |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 03:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. well you see |
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Extend a Hand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. I don't know if MJ is guilty or not |
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JRob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 03:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. LOL!!! One faction of my ancestry... |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 05:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
48. What socio-ethnic groups are there in Scotland? Was "not convicted" |
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Hand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 09:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Umm... |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 05:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. An interesting historical oddity |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
2. I hope people take the time to read this |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 10:02 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Both. |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. When The Jackson Family Started "Playing" The Race Card |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 01:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Sneddon ..... |
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linazelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 01:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. The race thing....The Today Show yesterday said "60% of white |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Oh come on - Blake is not a big star and doesn't have the drama |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 01:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. They would be justified in thinking so |
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Tomee450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 07:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
53. So what if Blake was not a big star. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 01:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. I'm not clear on something: |
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linazelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 02:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I'm presenting stats because that's the way it's being framed-- |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 02:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I think there are |
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linazelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 02:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. I don't get people's reactions...my very good friend (black) who |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. There may be a lot of rage but it may not be racism. |
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linazelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 03:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I agree and yet, the rage seems to be one-sided, racially. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. How so? Was Laci Peterson not all over the news? |
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linazelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 04:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Point taken. nt |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 03:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. I saw a few moments |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
5. Bugliosi on the Rodney King case .... |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
8. Having personally heard the "testimony" |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. My concern is that |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
10. The opponents of Jackson on this board are not interested in truth |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 01:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I've seen a wide range |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 01:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. The worshippers of MJ are not interested in truth or justice. |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 02:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. I Am Not An Opponent of MJ |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 02:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I agree that child abuse is very serious |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Interesting. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 03:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Well I don't think that diminishes the usefulness of DNA testing |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 04:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. I agree that DNA testing |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 03:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. If They Are Credible |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
19. MJ was convicted of "media crime" |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 02:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. There is a lot of truth |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
28. I guess this is how they get away with allowing civil suit after acquittal |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 03:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Interesting point. |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 05:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. Not quite what I was referring to but I see your point |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. But it's not double jeopardy. |
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Tigress DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
38. I used to admire Michael, but I think he is guilty and fame bought him out |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 04:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. The aspects of celebrity |
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grace0418 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
39. Very interesting. Thanks for posting this. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 04:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Good points. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 07:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
54. I knew sneddon had a dodgey case all along |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
42. Thanks for a thoughtful start to an interesting thread. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 04:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Very good points. |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
46. Statistics suggest far lower prosecutor burdens of proof when African- |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 05:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. True. Without a doubt. |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. That's outrageous! What's really tragic is the lack of publicity |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 06:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. At the time |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
55. Hey What Gives? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 09:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. We were all waiting |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 09:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Since You Asked |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 09:59 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Any time there is a jury |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-15-05 10:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I Agree That Misdirecting The Eye Is An Effective Strategy |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 05:44 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. There are never airtight cases. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 06:43 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Continued ..... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 06:50 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. One example: |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 06:14 AM Response to Original message |
64. All souls are innocent |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Get off it. No one's "heart" is being judged - just their actions. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 01:25 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. It seems rather not |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 02:16 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Critical thought is the highest human faculty. It's being used. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 02:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Mob rule is hardly the highest human faculty |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. So people concurring is mob rule? Precisely where did the "mob" |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 05:06 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Only the threads here, sir |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. I like how you judge the accuser while admonishing others to not judge |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 05:58 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. That accuser has fucked MJ beyond any reach of the law |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 07:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Your "own sense of justice" is a sham. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-05 08:26 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. I've had my own experiences with media abuse |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. A couple (strange) things. |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-05 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
70. kick |
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