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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:26 PM
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What are the chances * will come out of this unscathed?
After the past few weeks, I am more optimistic. How about you?
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:28 PM
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1. I'm really worried that none of it matters in a fixed, corrupt system.
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STSNC Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:29 PM
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2. Great Photo
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whatgives Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:32 PM
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7. Welcome
to DU. What a great site.:hi:
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:32 PM
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9. Welcome to DU!
BTW, the cat isn't mine. I just Googled "cat beer" and that came up.

:hi:

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whatgives Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:30 PM
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5. I fear you're right
BTW, great picture.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:55 PM
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22. true but
if it was fully corrupt and fixed already would even this sized snowball have started? I have hope but also fear of what happens when it comes to a head and GW has to decide to not start WWIV.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:29 PM
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3. * is going down. I say that in the best possible way.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:41 PM
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18. I hope you're right but something tells me these guys will not go
quietly. And what's really frightening is that they have the power to do whatever-the-hell they want.

:hide:
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:43 PM
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19. Plus it is not like Nixon, where he can go, but Ford can stay
Here, they ALL have to go -- and what are the chances of that?
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:48 PM
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20. I would say unlikely but truth is stranger than fiction
I'm feeling increasingly uneasy-- I don't know what the neocons have up their sleeve. Whatever it is, it won't be good for the rest of us.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:30 PM
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4. about 100%
Face it, he leads a charmed existence, don't expect that to change anytime soon.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:33 PM
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10. He must've met with Mephistopheles back in Texas.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:31 PM
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6. unscathed my ass... he's down to turdy tree and a turd!
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 09:31 PM by lonestarnot
Lower dan Nixon Dick!
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whatgives Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:33 PM
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11. he's down to turdy tree and a turd!
Excuse my ignorance, but what does that mean?
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:35 PM
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13. 33.33 ?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:36 PM
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15. 33.3 two of dos and you get 66.6
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:32 PM
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8. To use war metaphors, War is Hell, This is only 1 battle
I am optimistic about the DSM and the fact that Mr.bush and his evil minions ship seems to be leaking quite nicely. I do not expect this to take him down, but do expect it to play a big part in changing public opinion.
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whatgives Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:35 PM
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14. I hope you're right but
Most of the MSM is not paying attention. Hope Conyers comes through.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:52 PM
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21. There will be much MSM coverage, everyone but FOX is coming.
Conyers will come through. We'll see what spin is given to it when he is done. Never fear, Conyers will come through.
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whatgives Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:55 PM
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23. I hope you're right n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:34 PM
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12. Zero. (nt)
Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 09:39 PM
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17. out of what, DSM?
pretty good I'd say. Nothing else seems to stick to him. BUT, it only takes one thing to stick when they are all as horrible corrupt and evil as this
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:00 PM
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24. I predict that the sh1t doesn't stick to his fur & smells like a rose. n/t
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La Coliniere Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:09 PM
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25. What were the chances that Reagan would
come out of the Iran-Contra scandal unscathed? I'm afraid the chimp will come out smelling like rotting roses.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:47 PM
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26. I will be estatically surprised if something comes of all of this.
But I doubt anything will - we are slowly and steadily sliding into fascism/dictatorship. By the time the sheeple reaslize it, it will be too late.

Reasons:

The mentality of Shiavo's parents and bunkerboy to deny all the facts, even when proven beyond a doubt by EXPERTS, unanimously.

The near-lynch mentality of fellow DU'rs who just KNOW (without even being in the court room or hearing all the evidence) tha MJ is guilty and are equally quick to condemn.

The ever increasing excuses when presented with ISOLATED proof that bunkerboy had every intention to go to war - even before he became prez - and the utter refusal of ANYBODY but us to know all the similar supporting ties.

The complete (still) refusal of the whore media and even some of our own DEMS to use the word LIE.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:00 PM
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27. He'll be fine
So will the rest. If they don't stay in power for the rest of time, they'll make millions working for defense contractors and think tanks.

Corruption will not end if/when this particular group moves on. It didn't start with them either.

I don't quite understand the level of optimism sometimes. My brain just doesn't work that way I guess. We keep fighting the same fights again and again because nothing really ever changes. We get a few new toys as time takes us nowhere, but we still fight against poverty. We'll still be doing that 50 years from now, if we haven't all killed each other by then.

Even if Bush is scathed, there will always be someone else doing the same thing in the future. They'll learn, and get even better at it. They'll give billions more to PR firms so they can sell us the same crap again. It'll work too.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:18 AM
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28. Damage done. Corporatists win big.
Not counting environmental giveaways, corporate welfare, and bankruptcy law changes, about 250 billion dollars has been spent on this war...much of it going to American corporations. A nice side benefit has been that American oil campanies reaped record profits over the last 2 years.

He's done all that has been asked by his corporate overlords. He's a hero in their eyes, no matter what happens with DSM.

If he goes down, in the eyes of fundies and the corporatocracy he will have martered himself for their causes.

Having said that, it is much better that he take the fall now rather than at the end of his term and, yes, I'm more optimistic that that can happen than I was a month ago.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:54 AM
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29. Zip, zero, zilch
Airy Fairy Report - Mid-June looks ripe for shit hitting the fan - "The days of Bush's "good fortune" will be in peril and his pResidency will be seriously hobbled and diminished."


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