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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:22 PM
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A MASSIVE, RIGHTEOUS DU PROJECT - HERE AND NOW
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 11:51 PM by WilliamPitt
Massive.

Righteous.

Devoid of internecine DU squabbles.

The juice.

Right here.

Right now.

I want you to quantify and qualify each and every lie George W. Bush and his administration has told.

Not just about the war.

Not just about 9/11.

All of them.

About his tax cuts.

About helping the poor.

About the environment.

About Social Security.

About Medicare.

About every lie he has ever told.

Hit it.

Do it now.

Line it up.

I will make it famous, all across America and all across the planet, as best I can.

Line 'em up, baby.

All the lies.

All of them.

Every one.
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:23 PM
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1. I'm in.
Damn Straight.

Let's set a goal at what? couple hundred pages?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:23 PM
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2. I want 500 posts by Friday
and that should be EASY.
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:24 PM
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3. Posts of support or actual lies?
?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:25 PM
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5. I don't know how many lies there are
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 11:26 PM by WilliamPitt
500 seems soft.

I want 500 posts.

Less than 10 saying 'kick.'

If we can't do that, we should pack it in.

DU = Institutional Memory for this nation over the last 2 1/2 years.

There are 500 lies here.

At minimum.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:32 PM
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15. Ahhhh, like the Encyclopedia Galactia.
From Asimov's Foundation series. Compile the accumulated knowledge of shrub's and the admin's lies.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #5
194. There has got to be an average of more than one lie for every day
in office, so 500 seems very soft.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:23 AM
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115. You only want 500? on busy nights around here that many come......
up in just casual posts. What the heck is this about anyway, my search engine gets bogged down just bringing up the links.

Here is taste of a place to look for leads on a few of them lies

http://www.failureisimpossible.com/needtoknow/campaignslogans.htm
(snip)
"I will restore honor and integrity to the White House"
(Note: Sometimes it's 'honor and integrity' and sometimes it's 'honor and dignity.' He's such a hypocrite he can't even be consistent in his hypocrisy.)
Also see The Enron Bubble (separate page)

Stopovers Let Bush Charge Taxpayers for Political Trips
Mike Allen, Washington Post, 20 May 2002

White House on Autocrats: Malaysian Sí, Cuban No
David E. Sanger, New York Times, 15 May 2002

Bush breaks campaign promises
Dana Milbank, Washington Post, 25 March 2002

In Appointments, Administration Leaves No Family Behind
Dana Milbank, Washington Post, 12 March 2002

Tailoring Policy to Electoral Votes
David S. Broder, Washington Post, 10 March 2002

From Bush's Lips, a Vow He Could Not Renege On
Raymond Hernandez, New York Times, 10 March 2002

The Senator Explodes
Mary McGrory, Washington Post,3 March 2002

The Bait-And-Switch Administration
Richard Reeves, 9 February 2002

Bush White House releases transcripts of Clinton conversations — but only the parts that make Clinton look bad
Joshua Micah Marshall, Salon, 7 February 2002

Bush, don't just talk about `integrity' show it
Michael Ryan, Houston Chronicle, 31 January 2002

Bush's Insistence of Privacy for Presidential Records Doesn't Apply to His Predecessor
Don Van Natta Jr., New York Times, 1 February 2002

Bush overturns rule banning law-breaking business from federal contracts
Kent Hoover, Sacramento Business Journal, 11 January 2002 issue

During the campaign Bush said he'd veto Yucca as nuclear dump site
Cy Ryan, Las Vegas Sun, 29 September 2000

Former POWs held by Japan are betrayed by the White House
Iris Chang, New York Times, 24 December 2001

The GOP's New Lobbyist in Chief
Charles Lewis, Washington Post, 20 December 2001

U.S. Seeks New Use for Secret Evidence Against Immigrants
William Glaberson, New York Times, 9 December 2001

Why doesn’t the Bush administration have a physician in chief?
Emily Yoffe, Slate, 2 October 2001

Bush risks political damage by breaking vow to "restore honor and dignity"
Abraham McLaughlin, Christian Science Monitor (in Pakistan Dawn), 18 July 2001

Bush's men face sleaze investigations
Mary Dejevsky, London Independent, 20 June 2001

You Want Integrity? Chip In
Michael Kelly, Washington Post, 22 May 2001

Republicans blatantly sell access to Cabinet officials, party leaders
editorial, Washington Post, , 6 May 2001

Bush backs away from campaign pledge to acknowledge Armenian genocide
Michael Doyle, Record Searchlight, 25 April 2001

Tax-Cut Supporters Masqueraded as Blue-Collar Workers for Rally
Juliet Eilperin and Dan Morgan, Washington Post, 8 March 2001

At the White House, 'Moving On' or Piling On?
John F. Harris and Dana Milbank, Washington Post, 18 February 2001

Bush's Mocking Inaugural Address
Joyce Marcel, Albion Monitor, 29 January 2001

For some, Bush loyalty is a one-way street
Paul A. Gigot, Wall Street Journal, 12 January 2001

Hobbled from the start
Alan Wolfe, Salon, 15 December
(snip)



http://www.cursor.org/warroom.htm

The thing that gets me most is how much * compadre go hand and hand with *

The machine that helped put * in that place and continues to support him through thick and thin is what is most noticeable. The joke about Raygun being the Teflon President, stares most in the face if they know their butt from a hole in the ground. Anyway this story ties a lot of lies about *'s buddy Bin Laden together and puts them in perspective


http://emperors-clothes.com/news/probestop-i.htm
Claims that BushLaden has severed ties with his family are unfounded.

=======================================
Gaping Holes in the 'CIA vs. bin Laden' Story
by Jared Israel

=======================================

Below we have posted an article from the 'Times of India.' It reports that according to the BBC program, 'Newsnight,' the Bush administration told the FBI to back off from investigating the bin Laden family's terrorist connections before the attack on the World Trade Center.

According to the publication, 'Le Figaro,' a CIA agent visited Osama bin Laden last July. 'Figaro' reports that this meeting took place while bin Laden was being treated in the American Hospital in Dubai, one of the United Arab Emirates. The Figaro article unfortunately is not documented - that is, we only have the word of the author, Alexandra Richard, that the report is true. (6)

Much more compelling is the article we posted a few weeks ago, with excerpts from a congressional hearing last year on terrorism in South Asia. In that hearing, Congressman Dana Rohrabacher clashed with important US officials when he charged the Clinton administration with sabotaging efforts to arrest bin Laden. (4)

It has become increasingly evident that the official story, that Osama bin Laden broke with the U.S. Establishment and its Saudi Arabian junior partners a decade ago is false. The claim that he has been trying to destroy the U.S. Empire ever since is an invention. The claim made by the Clinton and Bush administrations, that they have tried, but unfortunately failed, to defeat the wily Mr. bin Laden is full of holes.
(snip)
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Sweetpea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:25 PM
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4. Lie #1
He won.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:26 PM
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6. Yes!
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:44 AM
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119. Won't work!
Trying going after what they're doing now! The Saddam 9/11 thing was a fraud as Kennedy said but not a lie. I've been over transcripts, guess what? *, Rice, Rumsfeld didn't lie. What they did was more insidious, they played a word association game, mention 2 things in a sentence together or one after the other, while the meaning of the sentence doesn't support the assumption by the listener it nevertheless plants a "tie' between to the 2 subjects where there really is no tie.

I could go into memory studies on how we retain info but know this we remember more of the 1st and some of the last, the in between vanishes.

What they're doing now you ask? from what I've read they're saying (paraphrase)"We never said Saddam was behind 9/11 but there are no questions Iraq had ties to Al Qaeda." Again they're not saying Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda but rather "Iraq." What does the listener absorb, "we never said Saddam was behind 9/11 but...had ties to Al Qaeda." Check it out!

Ansar al Islam (affiliated w/ Al Qaeda)operated in Kurdish controlled Northern Iraq, as has Iraqi National Congress with their few failed coup attempts against Saddam.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:33 AM
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158. Sister: Here's Bush's direct lie re 9.11/Iraq
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:50 AM by HFishbine
Presidential Letter
Text of a Letter from the President to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate




March 18, 2003

Dear Mr. Speaker: ( Dear Mr. President: )

Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Sincerely,

GEORGE W. BUSH


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:15 PM
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185. This is one reason I never listen to any of their trash
"Knowledge is of two kinds: We know a subject ourselves,
or we know where we can find information about it." (Samuel Johnson)

http://www.failureisimpossible.com/topicindex.htm

It is best to wait till it comes out in print and dissect it with a fine tooth comb and dusting brush. Any body that watches the boob tube is doing their selves a great disservice.

Much of all the news sources have been tainted so it's hard to get around the illusions without getting fed some of it. This is the reason I think it makes it all that more important to look as many views as possible about things that are or have been witnessed

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0308/schanberg.php

A War Where You Get Your Money Back
Bush's Fairy Tale World
by Sydney H. Schanberg
February 19 - 25, 2003
(snip)
It's no wonder so many Americans are confused over how they should feel about initiating a "preemptive" war against Iraq. The language-spinning on all sides has been intense. Almost from the day of the terrorist carnage of September 11, 2001, the president has said that we are at war. But for several months, he never mentioned the Iraqi dictatorship as a suspect. For good reason, since there is still no evidence that the tyrant Saddam Hussein, despicable as he is, played a role in the planning or execution of the suicide attacks that brought down the World Trade Center towers. It was the followers of another maniac, Osama bin Laden, nesting in Afghanistan, who threw New York City and all of America into a convulsion of panic, bravery, rage, and mourning on 9-11-01.

Bin Laden and most of his coterie have so far escaped the military and intelligence assaults that Washington retaliated with. From time to time, he taunts America with taped messages, calling on Muslims everywhere to rise against the United States and its ally Israel.
The Bush administration now claims that Saddam Hussein and bin Laden's Al Qaeda movement have connections, and that anyway they are part of the same global problem the threat to world stability posed by rogue nations and terrorist organizations. Few nations dispute the threat. The debate is over how to deal with it.
(snip)

This post is just to point out that the owners of the corporate media are as culpable as * and the squatters that occupy the executive branch of the US government.

Did you notice how the author (or maybe the editor) jumps from one subject to the other with out substantiating either? This is what is wanted, to keep people confused, guessing and not sure what the next move will be. These people might even not know they are doing it, but this is the SOP that helps them keep their job.

The stuff that is spun out them places are starting to infiltrate most places in society as far as I can see. Looking for what one wants to find is sometimes different from what others are seeing (even a lot, once in while)

BTW the lie is you will get your money back from letting * buddies steal Iraq's oil to pay you back (I think). It is ploy they will use on congress to get that 87 billion.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:26 PM
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7. Do you want antedotes, numbers, or something else?
Ready to help!

Great piece in truthout this week, Will! Keep on, brother!

Also Bernard Weiner wrote good things about you on crisispapers!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:27 PM
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9. I want what you've got
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 11:27 PM by WilliamPitt
All of it. All of it.

Link to the Crisis Papers thing?
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:35 PM
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22. here's the link
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:26 PM
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8. I have a BIG list here with links and documentation.
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 11:33 PM by Wonk
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:27 PM
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10. humble foreign policy n/t
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:27 PM
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11. During an interview or one of the debates
(sorry, I've been stricken with a minor case of CRS), Bush said that the United States should NOT engage in nation-building. That it was not our job.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:28 PM
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12. no nation building n/t
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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:28 PM
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13. Lie #2 - "I'm A Uniter...
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 12:08 AM by einsteins stein
...Not A Divider."
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:30 PM
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14. Damn, it's late Will
and I am sure that you want links and documentation. Won't be able to get into it seriously tonight. Obviously there is alot of material here and there have been a number of threads about it recently also. My God, where do you start?? What were his first words as a baby??? It seems as if everything this admin does is the polar opposire of what they say. I quote here from poster Ilsa on a different thread maybe a month ago that I found so amusing, yet true to the core, that I had to save it"

"is Bush the Antichrist? "


I ask myself that question almost daily, when I hear about some absurd revisionist explanation of why everything they do has to work backwards like Seinfeld in Bizarro World:

We have to cut down the forests to save them.
We have to bomb the Iraqis to protect them.
We have to restrict American freedom so we can protect liberty.
We have to protect the overseas outsourcing of jobs to create new jobs.
We have to save money on the war by privatizing and providing a profit.
I can't even lucidly convey the concept of how there were no Al Queda terrorists in Iraq until well after the US occupation of Iraq.

My head is spinning.


I'll do some more serious work on this tomorrow, for noe i need to blow this pop stand soon.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:35 PM
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20. This'll be here tomorrow
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:38 PM
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28. If it isn't when i get in it will go to the top soon after.
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 11:41 PM by steviet_2003
Hey, is this just a plot to keep all the pro/anti clark/dean/kerry threads from dominating the top of the main page?? I sure as hell hope so!!! (actually just a pleasant side effect I hope.)

on edit: lait niet spelun and parentheseised additon
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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #28
64. Maybe it is a plot!
To give us all a common enemy on which to focus, rather than fight each other?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:31 AM
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89. Dread the thought
:)
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:33 PM
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16. Here's a few
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Girlfriday Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:33 PM
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17. I will restore integrity to the White House!
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Narraback Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:33 PM
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18. "By far the vast majority of my tax cuts go to those at the bottom end...
of the spectrum."
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:34 PM
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19. That he did a god job...
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 11:35 PM by VelmaD
as governor of Texas.

He left us in a huge budget deficit. We have a school funding crisis of epic proportions. We have thousands of poor kids kicked off of the child health insurance program. We have no money for anything...well, anything except special sessions to fight about redistricting. Yup, there's an example of how united he left Texas government.

DV
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:35 PM
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21. Don't know the exact words
but during his campaign, he constantly talked about how the President should be humble, and not appearing at every photo opportunity like say

1) Philly trapped miners rescue speech
2) Return of flight crew of spy plane that bumped into Chinese jet (do they have bibles?)

take it away, DUers!
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:47 PM
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39. here's the quote
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 11:49 PM by steviet_2003
"It really depends upon how our nation conducts its foreign policy. If we're an arrogant nation, they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation, they'll respect us."

and a link: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/helenthomas/2117601/detail.html

Unfortunately the quote is not a lie, it is one time he was quite truthful. The lie is in his implication that we would be humble as opposed to arrogant, and we are resented.

on edit: fixed link (i hope)
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:52 PM
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52. no, that's not the issue I'm thinking of
He was taking a jab at Clinton/Gore in one of the debates, saying that if ~he~ were president, you wouldn't see him in front of all the photo-ops, because being President means you have more important things to do than get your face all over the news.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:35 PM
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23. This just in over in LBN
A television report by Pilger aired on British screens overnight said US Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice confirmed in early 2001 that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein had been disarmed and was no threat.


(snip)
Pilger uncovered video footage of Powell in Cairo on February 24, 2001 saying, "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."


Two months later, Rice reportedly said, "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."

Pilger claims this confirms that the decision of US President George W Bush - with the full support of British Prime Minister Blair and Howard - to wage war on Saddam because he had weapons of mass destruction was a huge deception.

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7350504%255E2,00.html

Not sure how reliable this source is but if he has the goods...
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:36 PM
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24. He didn't know Ken Lay before 1996
.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:37 PM
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26. He choked on a pretzel
.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:29 PM
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195. If THAT wasn't the most convoluted, bullshit story EVER
reminds me of one of the weak ass lies I would tell my parents when I was 14.

" I wasn't drinking! I didn't pass out! I choked on a pretzel!!Look it up! It could happen!!
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:16 AM
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70. good Ken Lay reference

http://www.yuricareport.com/PoliticalAnalysis/FraudinWhiteHouse.htm


  Katherine Yurica
 
That Ken Lay, the former chairman of Enron, enjoyed a long and close
relationship with George Bush senior is a well-known fact. What isn’t so
well known is that George W. Bush also benefited from a close relationship
with Lay. No one supported the younger Bush quite like Lay. Enron executives
contributed more than $2 million to George W. Bush’s political campaigns
since 1999, earning Lay an open door to the governor’s office. Lay was also
Bush’s number one choice for Treasury Secretary. A study authorized by Rep.
Henry Waxman reveals that Enron had 112 known contacts with the Bush
administration in 2001. This figure does not include seventy-three disclosed
contacts between former Army Secretary Thomas White and his former
colleagues at Enron. (Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, recently fired
White.)
 
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:24 AM
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80. Adding on....Ken Lay supported Ann Richards for governor....
yea, he did, BUT, he gave Bush about 20x what he gave Richards...
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:25 PM
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186. His administration did NOTHING to help Enron (from failing)
except... not step in and assist in stoping the California Energy Crisis by imposing price caps (they eventually did after many months and millions of dollars going to ENRON through market manipulation)

except... using the power of the state through Powell (and maybe also CHeney) twising India's arms in an effort to salvage a deal around on ENRON plant in India that was costing more than promised and causing riots.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2002/052902a.html

Bush Did Try to Save Enron

By Sam Parry
May 29, 2002

Since Enron Corp. plunged into bankruptcy six months ago, George Bush's defenders have said the administration's refusal to bail out the sinking energy trader is proof of Bush's integrity, given that Enron's Chairman Kenneth Lay was one of Bush's top financial backers.

The story line has been that all of Ken Lay’s millions couldn’t buy George W. Bush. For that reason, Enron has been called a financial scandal, not a political scandal.

Growing evidence, however, shows that this Bush-can’t-be-bought story line isn’t true.

It is now clear that prior to Nov. 8, when the Securities and Exchange Commission delivered subpoenas to Enron, the Bush administration did what it could to help Enron replenish its coffers with billions of dollars. Enron desperately needed that money to prevent the exposure of mounting losses hidden in off-the-books partnerships, a bookkeeping black hole that was sucking Enron toward bankruptcy.

As Enron’s crisis worsened through the first nine months of the Bush presidency, Ken Lay got Bush’s help in three principal ways:

--Bush personally joined the fight against imposing caps on the soaring price of electricity in California at a time when Enron was artificially driving up the price of electricity by manipulating supply. Bush’s rear-guard action against price caps bought Enron and other energy traders extra time to gouge hundreds of millions of dollars from California’s consumers.

--Bush granted Lay broad influence over the administration’s energy policies, including the choice of key regulators to oversee Enron’s businesses. The chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission was suddenly replaced in 2001 after he began to delve into Enron’s complex derivative-financing schemes.

--Bush had his National Security Council staff organize an administration-wide campaign to pressure the Indian government to accommodate Enron, which wanted to sell its generating plant in Dabhol, India, for $2.3 billion. Bush administration pressure on India over the Dabhol plant continued even after Sept. 11, when India’s support was needed for the war on terrorism. The administration’s threats against India on Enron’s behalf didn’t stop until Nov. 8.

(long well document article gives full detail on all of the above).
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:36 PM
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25. Googling "Bush lied" seems like a good place to start
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070903A.shtml
Bush lied about the Niger uranium

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,995188,00.html
White House 'lied about Saddam threat'

http://www.christiangallery.com/bushlie.htm
Bush lied about bin Laden

A solemn President Bush returned the American flag to full staff Sunday as the United States promised to lay out evidence making Osama bin Laden’s guilt in the terrorist attacks 'very obvious to the world.'

But that has not happened. Instead of making Osama bin Laden’s guilt in the terrorist attacks 'very obvious', the world has been shown only circumstantial evidence unsupported by any conclusive factual evidence.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/bush-s28.shtml
Bush lied about threat to Air Force One

http://www.madison.com/captimes/opinion/column/zweifel/3086.php
Evaporating surplus shows Bush lied

. . . the administration insisted there was enough money for a $1.3 trillion tax cut and there would still be enough left over for things that needed fixing - like Social Security and Medicare - and even some left to help pay down the $4 trillion debt that we still owe.




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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:49 PM
Original message
More
http://www.representativepress.org/whylie.html
Bush lied about terrorists' motives

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/110300-03.htm
Bush Lied About DWI Arrest

http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=800
Bush lied about ties between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda

http://www.house.gov/appropriations_democrats/caughtonfilm.htm
Bush lied about funding children's hospitals, supporting local police and firefighters, funding ethanol programs, supporting Even Start, supporting home ownership, funding port security, protecting pensions, supporting workers, supporting border security, promoting fiscal responsibility, supporting educaton, supporting veterans, helping the poor, increasing Medicare funding, supporting the Boys and Girls Clubs of America.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/pol/15430734.html
Bush lied about air quality after September 11

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/text/2002/feb/16/021610550.html
Bush lied about Nevada nuclear waste disposal repository
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:48 AM
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99. Yet more
http://www.politicalstrategy.org/ammokeyword/ammokeyword_labor.htm
Bush's words belied by his actions on ergonomic regulations, black lung benefits.

http://flag.blackened.net/pipermail/infoshop-news/2002-April/000872.html
Hugo Chavez -- the fake resignation. "The Bush White House is quoted as stating that Chavez's being elected by 'a majority of voters' did not confer 'legitimacy' on the Venezuelan government."

http://yodasworld.tripod.com/bush/id232.html
Bush says that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:07 AM
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63. More, 2
http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/22347/view?viewtype=
Bush lied about Hussein not letting the inspectors in

http://dir.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/03/lie/index.html
Bush lied about DUI arrest (more details)

http://www.mcheney.net/archives/00000083.htm
Numerous links, mostly about Iraq, but also including Bush deceiving the governors about funding for the states.

http://www.taxfreewww.com/bushlies.htm
Bush Lies website -- many links, including stem cell research, Vietnam, drunk driving, Texas funeral home scandal, cocaine use.

http://www.bushlies.net/pages/1/
Another Bush Lies website -- many examples on Iraq, 911, and the tax cuts, the recession, Enron and the SEC, his military record, Harkon and Halliburton, foreign policy, prescription drugs, abortion, civil rights, campaign finance reform, foreign trade, and Bill Clinton, plus cases of suppression or distortion of federal reports (911, the deficit, abstinence-only programs, condoms, global warming, wetlands, missile defense, pollution, minimum wage) and multiple lies in the 2003 SOTU (Americorps, al Qaeda, securing Soviet nuclear materials, bioterrorism, deficits).



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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:24 AM
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79. More, 3
http://www.nathannewman.org/log/archives/000472.shtml
Bush lied about port shutdown costs (longshoreman strike)

http://members.tripod.com/~reno4governor/index-46.html
Bush lied about no oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico

http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/bushlies.htm
Another site with multiple links -- campaign promises, the economy, the estate tax, accounting fraud, anthrax, states' rights, unions.

http://existentialmoo.com/newsleft/archives/000203.php
Bush lied about IAEC report
The non-existent report saying Iraq was 6 months from having atomic weapons.

http://www.9types.com/movieboard/messages/6497.html
Bush lied about not having been arrested after 1968




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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:28 AM
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86. Bush denied even knowing James Bath
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:37 PM
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27. He tricked Ted Kennedy into supporting his "education" initiative.
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 11:41 PM by oasis
He bragged how the folks down at the Crawford Coffee shop would be so amazed how great he and Ted got along.
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:38 PM
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29. Didn't he lie about supporting Americorps
and then basically gut it?

I'll have to get the documentation
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:38 PM
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30. We could make the job much easier by...
listing the times he's told the truth...
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:42 PM
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32. Feh. That thread'd get two posts and drop like a rock
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:18 AM
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71. And both would be "kick"s.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:39 PM
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31. does that include his administration or just him? n/t
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:43 PM
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33. The whole mob
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:48 PM
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41. A lot of these are really great, but one that sticks in my craw
"They hate us for our freedoms."

This from the malignant turd that gave us Ashcroft the mad.
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SnohoDem Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:23 AM
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149. Ashcroft's recent lie that no one had asked for library records
when in fact there had been many cases where the FBI had asked for such records.

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=379781
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:43 PM
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34. he took credit for a TX patients bill of rights
which he vetoed
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:43 PM
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37. Yes! More!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:43 PM
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35. Links to Lies
ALOT of stuff in here that is straight to the point. If you need fact checking or pulling out the lies and getting them in one list as we go along, glad to do it.

http://www.bushlies.net/pages/1/

http://pearly-abraham.tripod.com/htmls/bushlies1.html

http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/bushlies.htm
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:43 PM
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36. Lie #3: Bush's tax cuts were of benefit to middle class families
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 11:46 PM by Tatiana
The moron actually raised taxes on the middle class!

Middle Class Paying For Tax Cuts?

<snip>

The Tax Policy Center study concluded that the wealthiest 1 percent's share of total federal taxes would drop to 22.8 percent in 2011, from 24.3 percent today, while the lowest 40 percent would see its share of the burden drop to 2 percent, from 2.2 percent.

The burden for families earning between $22,955 and $80,903 would rise slightly, from 25.5 percent to 26.1 percent.

Middle Class Tax Share Set to Rise (Studies Say Burden Of Rich to Decline)

By Dana Milbank and Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, June 4, 2003; Page A01


Three successive tax cuts pushed by President Bush will leave middle-income taxpayers paying a greater share of all federal taxes by the end of the decade, according to new analyses of the Bush administration's tax policies.

<snip>

Figuring out whether tax policy benefits the wealthy or the poor is a hotly disputed subject. Liberals favor a progressive tax system in which households pay higher tax rates and a higher share of their total income as they climb up the income ladder. By that measure, the Bush tax cuts have made the tax code less progressive. By 2011, the poorest taxpayers' after-tax income will have risen only 0.3 percent, according to the Tax Policy Center, while household income for the richest 1 percent of taxpayers will have jumped 8.6 percent.

<snip>

Changes such as the elimination of the estate tax and the reduction of the stock-dividend tax disproportionately benefit the wealthiest 1 percent, who have the largest amount of assets and capital. Those at the other end of the income spectrum benefit disproportionately from targeted tax cuts such as the child tax credit.

(edited for clarity)



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SaintLouisBlues Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:44 PM
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38. Worse than AWOL, a deserter
Lied about his whereabouts in that hokey book of his.
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Girlfriday Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:48 PM
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40. Found a great quote in my search of candidate shrub
"He's probably the least qualified person ever to be nominated by a major party... What is his accomplishment? That he's no longer an obnoxious drunk?"
-- Ronald Prescott Reagan on George Walker Bush
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:49 PM
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42. That he would have a "Humble" foreign policy!
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:49 PM
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43. Compassionate Conservatism
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:50 PM
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46. That the Evildoers, Bin Laden in particular, would be caught
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:59 PM
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57. See post #39 above for quote
Unfortunately not a lie. He didn't say we'd have a humble foreign policy, just that we'd be better off with one. The implication WAS a lie, however.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:49 PM
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44. Lied about his favorite childhood book...
didn't he say it was that caterpillar book and then someone noticed that it hadn't been published til well after he was an adult.

I know it's a little lie, but still a pretty damn funny one.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:50 PM
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45. The biggest lie was the one that took us to war.
On Oct. 14, 2002, Bush said, "This is a man that we know has had connections with al-Qaida. This is a man who, in my judgment, would like to use al-Qaida as a forward army."

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said, on Sept. 26, 2002, "Yes, there is a linkage between al-Qaida and Iraq."

Condoleezza Rice, the national security adviser, said on Sept. 25, 2002, "There have been contacts between senior Iraqi officials and members of al-Qaida going back for actually quite a long time."

http://www.nynewsday.com/nyc-bres0923,0,3069052.column?coll=nyc-topheadlines-span
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:50 PM
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47. HE'S FROM TEXAS!!!
/can't believe he didn't think of this earlier
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:50 PM
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48. "It's frivolous, It is frivolous," Bush said
He filed an affidavit in May's original lawsuit, claiming "I have had no conversations with SCI officials, agents, or representatives concerning the investigation or any dispute arising from it."

But by his own admission, Bush did drop in on a meeting between Waltrip and Joe Allbaugh, the governor's former chief of staff who is now Bush's 2000 presidential campaign manager. Bush said it was merely a quick social visit.

"I can't remember what I said, all I know is that it lasted no time, and that hardly constitutes a serious discussion," Bush said.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/08/24/president.2000/bush.funeral/
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:51 PM
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49. Took sole credit for Texas education reform.
Even though Mark White, Ann Richards, and Ross Perot made most of the reforms long before he came staggering onto the scene.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:52 PM
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50. SOTU address lies
exerpt from email from
FAIR-L

Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting
July 18, 2003

In the January 28 speech, Bush claimed that "the British government has
learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of
uranium from Africa." ()

In fact, the Niger story, as documented by journalist Seymour Hersh (New
Yorker, 3/31/03) and others, was based on crudely forged documents. In
addition, the administration's own investigation in March 2002 concluded
that the story was bogus. As one former State Department official put it,
"This wasn't highly contested. There weren't strong advocates on the
other side. It was done, shot down" (Time, 7/21/03).
()

Much media coverage, however, has focused narrowly on the Niger incident,
putting the press is in danger of ignoring the most important question the
story raises: Does the uranium claim indicate a larger pattern of
deceptive claims made about Iraq? At minimum, the following assertions
made by the Bush administration also deserve media scrutiny:

--Aluminum tubes:
- a report in the Washington
Post (9/19/02) months before Bush's address noted that leading scientists
and former weapons inspectors seriously questioned the administration's
explanation-- pointing out that the tubes, which would be difficult to use
for uranium production, were more plausibly intended for artillery
rockets. The Post also noted charges that the "Bush administration is
trying to quiet dissent among its own analysts over how to interpret the
evidence." Commendably, some reporters, like NBC's Andrea Mitchell
(7/14/03), have questioned the aluminum tubes claim in recent reporting
about Bush's State of the Union address.

--Iraq/Al Qaeda links: When Bush announced the end of hostilities in Iraq
in a May 1 speech aboard the USS Lincoln, he said of the defeated Iraqi
regime: "We have removed an ally of Al Qaeda." While a Saddam
Hussein/Osama bin Laden connection was one of the administration's early
justifications for going to war, it has produced no evidence to
demonstrate this link exists. There is evidence, however, that the
administration was deeply invested in proving such a tie, as former Gen.
Wesley Clark attested recently on Meet the Press (FAIR Media Advisory,
6/20/03). Yet media accounts of Bush's USS Lincoln speech hardly raised an
eyebrow over this attempt to keep the Iraq/Al Qaeda link alive.

--The trailers: Bush presented the discovery of two trailers in Iraq as
proof that Iraq possessed banned weapons: "We found the weapons of mass
destruction. We found biological laboratories," he told Polish TV
(Associated Press, 5/31/03). () But serious questions had been raised within the administration aboutwhether these trailers had anything to do with biological weapons-- doubts that soon emerged in a New York Times article (6/7/03). No evidence has
been put forward confirming that the trailers were designed for anything
other than the production of hydrogen for artillery balloons, as captured
Iraqis had said (London Observer, 6/8/03).

--Weapons Inspections: More recently, Bush has flagrantly misrepresented
the history of the prewar conflict with Iraq over weapons inspections,
telling reporters on July 14, "We gave him a chance to allow the
inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in." In fact, after a Security
Council resolution was passed demanding that Iraq allow inspectors in,
they were given complete access to the country. The Washington Post
(7/15/03), describing Bush's remarkable statement, could only say that his
assertion "appeared to contradict the events leading up to war this
spring." Joe Conason (Salon.com, 7/15/03) took note of "the press corps'
failure to report his stunning gaffe. The sentence quoted above doesn't
appear in today's New York Times report, for example."

In October 2002, in a notable front-page
article titled "For Bush, Facts Are Malleable" (10/22/02), Washington Post
reporter Dana Milbank noted two dubious Bush claims about Iraq: his citing
of a United Nations International Atomic Energy report alleging that Iraq
was "six months away" from developing a nuclear weapon; and that Iraq
maintained a growing fleet of unmanned aircraft that could be used, in
Bush's words, "for missions targeting the United States." While these
assertions "were powerful arguments for the actions Bush sought," Milbank
concluded they "were dubious, if not wrong. Further information revealed
that the aircraft lack the range to reach the United States" and "there
was no such report by the IAEA."

http://www.fair.org/

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:52 PM
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51. THIS IS THE BEST THREAD EVER. DO NOT STOP. DO NOT STOP.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:55 PM
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54. Between this post...
and "Yes! More!" I'm thinking you may be getting a little TOO excited about this thread honey. ;-)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:59 PM
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56. This is as good as it gets
This is the whole point. This is the mission. We forgot. We have to remember.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:04 AM
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62. I know honey...
and I was just teasing you (one of my favorite hobbies). :-)

So, does the enormous banner with "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" qualify as a lie since we're still losing soldiers every day in Iraq?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:09 AM
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67. That definitely qualifies
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:54 PM
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53. "Reconstituted Nuclaer Weapons"
We still have not found Vice President Cheney's "reconstituted nuclear weapons" (Meet the Press, NBC, 3/16/03) in Iraq! He recently said he "misspoke" (Meet the Press, NBC, 9/14/03) when he said that BEFORE the war. Unfortunately, if he misspoke by saying "reconstituted" instead of saying "reconstituting" he also misspoke by saying "he has" rather than "he is in the process of"!



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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:27 AM
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83. "proof could be a mushroom cloud"....
from Condi's Sunday morning speeches in September 2002...

even though we knew there was no nuclear program...
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:43 AM
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168. Mushroom Cloud Lie vs the Truth: They did not secure Tuwaitha nuclear site
Proof that they never believed thier own nuclear WMD LIES for a second. They secured the Oil Ministry, but not the known nuclear facilities. Tell me again that it was about WMDs, not oil.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud. - G. Bush, 10/7/02


http://www.sierrasun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030718/OPINION/307180301
July 18, 2003
Bush's actions don't match the rhetoric
Guest Column by Kirk Caraway

<snip>Turn back the clock to the before the war. You "know" your enemy has 100-500 tons of chemical weapons, and you know where he is likely hiding them. Wouldn't you try to secure those sites as quickly as possible? After all, these chemical weapons posed a major threat to our advancing troops, and the big danger, they said, was if these fall into the hands of terrorists.

So why wasn't this done? Special Forces teams were flown into Iraq to secure the oil fields, but not the weapons. That speaks volumes about what the real reason for the war is.

And those weapons are still missing. Rumsfeld claims they are doing their best to search all those sites, but this is disconcerting. How many days have his 150,000 soldiers had to search the sites they already know about?

And what about the nukes? If Bush and his people really thought that Iraq had an active nuclear weapons program, why did the military wait for more than a week after taking over the region to even visit the country's main nuclear research facilities at Tuwaitha?

Why did they wait even longer to visit the neighboring Baghdad Nuclear Research Facility? Both sites were heavily looted, so if there were plans for a nuclear bomb or even some weapons-grade material, it would be long gone by now.<more>


http://www.counterpunch.org/schwarz07172003.html
July 17, 2003
Bush's Pre-emptive Strike Doctrine
The Bane of Non-Proliferation Watchdogs
By MARTIN SCHWARZ

<snip>Bush's use of the specter of nuclear threat to legitimate his intimidation policy can also been seen as just another excuse if reports from occupied post-war Iraq are taken into account. When the reports about massive looting in Iraq's biggest nuclear facility Al-Tuwaitha emerged after the war, the U.S. administration rejected the IAEA's request to send inspectors to that facility for more than a month. El-Baradei didn't even get an answer to his letters to U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell. Meanwhile, strange things must have happened in Al-Tuwaitha: The IAEA in Vienna received several phone calls from U.S. soldiers based at the facility to secure it, who didn't know what to do with nuclear material they had found.<more>



http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20030716_192.html
U.N. in Dark About Looted Iraq Dirty Bomb Material
July 16
By Louis Charbonneau

VIENNA (Reuters) - The U.N. nuclear watchdog said Wednesday it had accounted for most of the low-grade uranium lost during looting at Iraq's main nuclear facility, but had no information about more dangerous radioactive material.

<snip>But an IAEA spokeswoman said the agency had not been permitted by U.S. occupation authorities to check the status of Tuwaitha's stocks of highly-radioactive cesium-137, cobalt-160 and other materials which could be used in dirty bombs.

"There were around 400 of these radioactive sources stored at Tuwaitha," IAEA's Melissa Fleming said.

Witnesses have said that villagers near Tuwaitha, especially children, have shown symptoms of radiation sickness.

"Any case of radiation sickness would probably be from these highly-radioactive sources, not from the low-grade natural uranium at Location C," Fleming said.<more>




http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/6068775.htm
Looting of Iraqi nuclear facility indicts U.S. goals
If we feared the loss of radioactive materials, why not guard them?
TRUDY RUBIN
Knight Ridder Newspapers
Posted on Thu, Jun. 12, 2003

TUWAITHA, Iraq - On a dusty road, just outside of Baghdad, lies one of the great mysteries of the Iraq war.

<snip>The administration knew full well what was stored at Tuwaitha. So how is it possible that the U.S. military failed to secure the nuclear facility until weeks after the war started? This left looters free to ransack the barrels, dump their contents, and sell them to villagers for storage.

How is it possible that, according to Iraqi nuclear scientists, looters are still stealing radioactive isotopes?

The Tuwaitha story makes a mockery of the administration's vaunted concern with weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. military hastened to secure the Ministry of Oil in Baghdad from looters. But Iraq's main nuclear facility was apparently not important enough to get similar protection.

<snip>And why, in facilities other than Location C, is the looting apparently continuing?

Hisham Abdel Malik, a Iraqi nuclear scientist who lives near Tuwaitha and has been inside the complex, told me that in buildings "where there are radioactive isotopes, there is looting every day." He says the isotopes, which are in bright silver containers, "are sold in the black market or kept in homes." According to IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming, such radioactive sources can kill on contact or pollute whole neighborhoods.

How could an administration that had hyped the danger of Saddam handing off nuclear materials to terrorists let Tuwaitha be looted? Maybe the hype was just hype ... or maybe the Pentagon didn't send enough troops to Iraq to do the job right.

Either answer is damning.
<more>

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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:56 PM
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55. Fiscal Responsibility
“One of the ways we've got to make sure that we keep our economy strong is to be wise about how we spend our money. If you overspend, it creates a fundamental weakness in the foundation of economic growth. And so I'm working with Congress to make sure they hear the message -- the message of fiscal responsibility.” Bush, 9/16/02

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/03/bush.budget/

From Dana Bash
CNN Washington Bureau
Monday, February 3, 2003 Posted: 6:53 PM EST (2353 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Vowing to be a good steward of the public's money, President Bush sent to Capitol Hill Monday a $2.2 trillion 2004 budget that calls for hundreds of billions in tax cuts and shows a record federal deficit of $304 billion.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:00 AM
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58. This one burned my burgers - he implied during the Enron mess
that Ann Richards had taken as much money as he did from Ken Lay. In truth, bush had taken 12 grand from Kenny-boy. Ann Richards got 3 or 4 thousand. But NOTHING was ever said to point out this discrepancy, and gave weight to so many lazy reporters' coverage that "Dems were just as much at fault in taking Enron money as rethugs. It's actually like comparing a grain of aquarium gravel to a brick.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:00 AM
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59. His "war on terrorism" and saying his priority is to protect
Americans seems to be a lie to me based upon this action-

--and it's also a lie that repubs are less wasteful of taxpayer money, however, considering the circumstances, it's outrageous that he was not called on this.

Remember the anthrax scare? Cipro is produced by Bayer (who, as an aside, tested their aspirin on prisoners in Auschwitz). A month's supply costs $350. Generic drug producers can make that same montly supply for ten bucks.

Canada suspended Cipro's patent in order to meet their country's need for this antibiotic in the event of what appeared to be an emergeny.

Not Bush. The difference between an emergency war supply of Cipro, based upon the number of pills the govt estimated were needed to combat an anthrax attack, made generically, rather than by Bayer is eight BILLION dollars.

Generic suppliers could make the amount of Cipro needed for the American people in three months, while Bayer said it would take them twenty months. Rather than protect the American people, Bush thought Bayer's profits were more important and willingly exposed Americans to the possibility of an anthrax attack for seventeen months in order to maximize the profits of one drug company.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:02 AM
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60. Real Audio of * saying he saw the FIRST plane hit WTC on TV
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:02 AM
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61. here's that link, Will
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:09 AM
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68. 150 Billion for the AIDs fight.... so far only released 4.55 Billion
Big Bucks for the Fire Depts, we got shit/

"They Hate us for our FReedom" no, they don't/

They hate us for our arrogance/greed/selfishness/Religious bigotry
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:07 AM
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65. No Child Left Behind
“This administration is committed to your effort. And with the support of Congress, we will continue to work to provide the resources school need to fund the era of reform.” – Bush, 1/8/03

<snip>

Also, each state must consent to giving select fourth- and eighth-graders the National Assessment of Educational Progress, or NAEP, also known as "The Nation's Report Card," each year. While poor NAEP scores can't be used to punish schools, federal officials have openly said the embarrassment of low scores will likely nudge states into demanding changes in schools.

"I am amazed that this Republican administration would be promoting such legislation that is really invasive into the local control process — much more than any other federal program I've seen come down the pike," says Dean Michener of the New Hampshire School Boards Association.

<snip>

"As the society has become more unequal over the last 20 years, the various education reform measures (have) set up more and more hoops for young people to jump through," says Dave Stratman, former Washington director of the National PTA, who is now an organizer for MassRefusal, a group of teachers' union leaders fighting against high-stakes testing in Massachusetts. "It raises the bar while not providing the support for them to succeed," he says.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2003-01-28-education-cover-usat_x.htm
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:08 AM
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66. A project from Moveon.org
From an email I rec'd today from 21st Century Democrats:

http://www.misleader.org/

Here in Washington it feels that the more President Bush says, the more he contradicts himself. Of course there are the bigger “fibs” that everyone knows about, like the fact that there continues to be no evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But that’s not the only “half-truth” Bush has told over the course of his Presidency. Our friends at MoveOn.Org have chronicled the Bush Administration’s lies on a site called www.misleader.org. Visitors can sign up to get daily alerts about the latest distortion of truth. Also on the sight is a fascinating analysis of Bush’s 2003 State of the Union speech, done by MoveOn’s partner in this project, Campaign for America’s Future.

Hope this helps
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SaintLouisBlues Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:11 AM
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69. Lied about his educational background
Claimed he continued to attend public school in Houston when in fact he had transfered to an exclusive prep school.
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TA Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:19 AM
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72. Bush says he saw the first plane crash on 9/11 on TV
Bush tells a third grader that on the morning of 9/11 when he was about to start reading to a Florida class he saw on TV the plane crash into the first tower. Then later when in the classroom, Chief of Staff, Andy Card, walked in and told him a second plane has hit the tower.

The film showing the first crash wasn't released to the networks until the next day!! It was not live on TV that morning. How could he have seen this?

The document is long, scroll down to the last page to read the statement.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:20 AM
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73. His DUI incident...
didn't he try to pawn off a story that he was stopped for "driving too slow" when the cop said it was really because he was weaving all over the road?

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:26 AM
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82. clintons trashed the WH
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 12:29 AM by grasswire
And remember that policeman's badge he said the mother gave him? The one he reportedly carries in his pocket?

We learned that the WH went to her and asked for it. Father Bush pulled the same stunt in his administration.

On edit: Jimmy Breslin wrote that story. Here's a blurb about it from a cached link.

Sept. 27, 2001

Playing the dead cop card -- New York Newsday
When George W. Bush held up the badge of a police officer who perished in the World Trade Center attacks, columnist Jimmy Breslin was reminded of a time when Bush's father held up a dead cop's badge -- back in 1988, on a campaign stop at a high school. Bush Sr., who had been given the badge by a woman whose officer son had been killed in Jamaica, declared: "Dukakis wouldn't understand the grief of a dead cop's mother. This helps define the man I'm running against. He doesn't understand police. I do." Breslin was incensed then, and is perhaps even more so now at what he considers an attempt to use tragedy for political gain: "Bush the Younger departed from his valid attempt at loftiness in time of high danger and reverted to the cheap know-nothing who had brayed that he wanted this bin Laden dead or alive."
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:11 AM
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111. Clinton Staff Trashed the White House?! No!!
According to statements from the General Services Administration that were reported on May 17, little if anything out of the ordinary occurred during the transition, and "the condition of the real property was consistent with what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after an extended occupancy."


http://www.fair.org/activism/white-house-vandalism.html
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:22 AM
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74. "I've been to war." - aWol, January, 2002
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:22 AM
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75. Lie about responsibility for outing Plame to Novak
White House spokesman Scott McClellan denied the assertion about Wilson and his wife.

"That is not the way that this president or this White House operates and I've seen no evidence to suggest there's any truth to it."
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Girlfriday Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:22 AM
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76. During his debate with Gore, shrub said....
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 12:43 AM by Girlfriday
...big government is bad. According to Lou Dobbs, 1,000,000 more people work for government today than when he took office.

BUSH: “Under Gore’s plan, we’re talking about. adding 20,000 new bureaucrats.”
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:22 AM
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77. "We've found wmds"....
mobile weapons labs that were actually for hydrogen artillery balloons....

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:23 AM
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78. "Ken who"
Washington, June 7, 2002 -- Former Enron chairman Kenneth L. Lay frequently had "sleepovers" at the White House and engaged in rowdy horseplay with President George W. Bush such as attempting to give the president "wedgies," according to documents released by the White House today. The president habitually summoned Mr. Lay into his presence with the command "Get Laid," according to the documents

http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/05/24/kennyboy/index_np.html

"Ken Who" GW Bush
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:12 AM
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112. Right. I specifically remember
Bush saying that he met Mr. Lay *snort* at a fundraiser that his (W's) mother was chairing. And he really didn't know "Mr. Lay" very well.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:00 AM
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122. Board was told of risks before Bush stock sale
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 02:01 AM by God_bush_n_cheney
October 30, 2002

"One week before George W. Bush's now-famous sale of stock in Harken Energy Corp. in 1990, Harken was warned by its lawyers that Bush and other members of the troubled oil company's board faced possible insider trading risks if they unloaded their shares."

http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/2002/Bush_Harken.html
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:30 AM
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124. Story Changes on Bush Stock Sale
WASHINGTON -- The White House said a "clerical mistake" by lawyers was to blame for President Bush's failure to disclose an $848,560 stock sale in a timely fashion, as required by federal law, when he was on the board of directors of a Texas oil company in 1990.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0704-01.htm
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:25 AM
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81. Reason for tax cuts was because we had extra money...
and that S/S wouldnt be effected...

goo idea Will, cant wait to go through this one in detail...
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:00 AM
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106. but he couldn't afford unemployed's family medical premiums

Bush claimed the govt could not afford to pay for family medical premiums for the ONE MILLION laid off America workers in 2001.

But here's what he could afford-

Bush could find eight BILLION dollars for insurance industry subsidies when the insurance companies asked Bush to guarantee that taxpayers would foot the bill for any future payouts on terrorism insurance.

Democrats wanted govt to cover 80 percent of these costs, but this wasn't enough for the Bush administration, who wanted the public to foot the bill from the first dollar...this is a difference of eight billion dollars.

Bush found fifteen BILLION dollars to bail out the airline industry. AA received eight hundred million and then laid off twenty thousand workers and said it (AA) would not pay any severance to those who lost their jobs. Airlines have to apply to the govt to get their part of the bail out and one of the official criteria for approving applications is that airlines are supposed to force concessions from their employees.

Bush found a hundred BILLION dollars for corporate tax giveaways, including twenty-five billion in RETROACTIVE tax cuts, given with no strings attached. In other words, a corporation could use the entire amount for executive bonuses without any problem.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:10 AM
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110. btw, the cost of that coverage at that time
was eight billion dollars...which is the difference between the 80% dem. bailout vs. the 100% Bush bailout of the insurance industry.
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dpibel Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:27 AM
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84. All my transactions have been vetted
And all the other lies surrounding Harkin and his career as a bidnizman.

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:28 AM
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85. lies =manipulation by fear
It's one thing -- a bad enough thing -- to manipulate our thinking and reasoning with false information. It is another thing entirely to manipulate our deepest psychological triggers with stories of how smallpox is one of the most painful deaths, with rumors of nuclear bombs smuggled into the U.S. in shipping containers, and drawings of the "kill zone" of a "dirty bomb." I think this is worse than the evidence of cynical manipulation of information that is in the news now. To me, the manipulation of public emotions is a much more serious offense, because it strikes us at a much deeper level, a more basic instinctive level. It makes our children cry. It makes us lose sleep at night.

http://seetheforest.blogspot.com/

this blogger noted that all these fear stories were huge around the time of the mid-term election and leading up to the invasion of Iraq.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:31 AM
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88. the threat to the WH on 9-11...
...and the threat to AF1
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kayleybeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:29 AM
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87. Some obvious ones...
Hope these aren't dupes, I haven't read the entire thread (sorry, but it's late)

"...we gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in."
Q&A session after Bush's meeting with Kofi Annan
July 14, 2003


"I've been to war. I've raised twins. Given a choice, I'd rather go to war."
-Houston Chronicle
January 27, 2002

"We found the weapons of mass destruction."
Interview with TVP, Poland
May 29, 2003


" We have removed an ally of Al Qaeda."
"Victory" speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln
May 1, 2003
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:34 AM
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90. Here are 191 that swinney posted the other day.....
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:56 AM
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105. the trifecta lie
he says he said that during the campaign. He didn't. Al Gore did.
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MI Cherie Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:38 AM
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91. Imminent threat . . .
. . . within 45 minutes . . . suitcase bomb . . . mushroom cloud over Anycity, USA.

:nuke:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:38 AM
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92. Jessica Lynch story

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4304.htm

The august New York Times and Washington Post are not, of course, as crude
as the News and Murdoch. However, on 23 July, both papers gave front-page
prominence to the government's carefully manipulated "homecoming" of
20-year-old Private Jessica Lynch, who was injured in a traffic accident
during the invasion and captured. She was cared for by Iraqi doctors, who
probably saved her life and who risked their own lives in trying to return
her to American forces. The official version, that she bravely fought off
Iraqi attackers, is a pack of lies, like her "rescue" (from an almost
deserted hospital), which was filmed with night-vision cameras by a
Hollywood director. All this is known in Washington, and much of it has been
reported.

This did not deter the best and worst of American journalism uniting to help
stage-manage her beatific return to Elizabeth, West Virginia, with the Times
reporting the Pentagon's denial of "embellishing" and that "few people
seemed to care about the controversy". According to the Post, the whole
affair had been "muddied by conflicting media accounts". George Orwell
described this as "words falling upon the facts like soft snow, blurring
their outlines and covering up all the details". Thanks to the freest press
on earth, most Americans, according to a national poll, believe Iraq was
behind the 11 September attacks. "We have been the victims of the biggest
cover-up manoeuvre of all time," says Jane Harman, a rare voice in Congress..
But that, too, is an illusion.
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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:53 AM
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170. The Pentagon denies "embellishing"?
Bit of a story here: I met a guy who was walking his dog in a park here and entered into polite casual conversation with him. Turned out he works in the office where the military spins these "hero" stories for the media to lap up. He was on some kind of temporary assignment here, and indicated that he had worked mostly in California and Germany. He had been personally involved in feeding the media the story about that pilot who was shot down over Bosnia (can't remember his name), and he talked about what a gift the whole Jessica Lynch thing was to them, how easy it was to spin and how eagerly the media went for it. The two things I remember most about him were, first, that he took it for granted that everyone knows the military manipulates the media, and second, he mentioned that he was staying in one of those long-term (weeks to months) hotels and had a suite there. He said it was a $250-a-night suite and twice mentioned what a cheap deal it was, exactly as if he'd been talking about a Motel 6. I just said, "Our tax dollars at work," and let it drop.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:39 AM
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93. Hugging the parents of dead soldiers
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/notone.html

George W Bush to Barbara Walters, ABC "20/20," 12/13/02

"There's only one person who is responsible for making that decision, and that's me. And there's only one person who hugs the mothers and the widows, the wives and the kids on the death of their loved ones. Others hug, but having committed the troops, I've got an additional responsibility to hug, and that's me, and I know what it's like."
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:42 AM
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94. 20 Lies About the War link
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:42 AM
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95. Bush lies links
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:44 AM
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96. The Ballpark in Arlington
Ok. Let's talk about the Ballpark. Two lies for the price of one Will.

First, Mr. Smaller Government and Lower Taxes was more than willing to let the taxpayers pick up the tab for the BallPark in Arlington. That stadium was finances through *gasp* a tax...an increase int eh sales tax to be specific. Second he was intimately involved in working with the local authorities to kick home-owners off their property so he could buy it up for pennies on the dollar to build the parking lots for the Ballpark. Sounds like Big Government intruding on the rights of the individual to me. Oops, sorry, forgot that only upsets rethugs if the individual is one of their fatcat friends. My bad.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:23 AM
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156. Mr. Smaller Government has also expanded the Federal Gov. to an all time
high. and the right wing conservos HATE HIM for having done so.
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:45 AM
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97. Hope the server has enough memory for this... LOL!!!
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:45 AM
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98. New York City -- what cost to them?
Funds New York was promised after September 11th STILL have not been released.

Bad air in New York after September 11th; citizens were told that the air was fine, now people are getting sick.

I think of it, and I am sick to my stomach. How many more will die because it was more important to Bunnypants and his handlers that New York NOT be told the truth? :mad: :puke:

Julie
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:48 AM
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insider trading at Harken
and not filing those papers required by SEC
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 11:04 AM
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205. Which brings up the origins of * and the criminals that surround him.
Most of these folks can be traced back to the stock and commodity markets, Business whordoms supported off the government dole, and recently unregulated monopolies constructed behind government legislation and laws erected to eliminate competition.

This it the way a rich privileged class gets an upper hand on other citizens not part of their team in the gamming of the rest. These people are truly traitors to US in every sense that one could offer in any words. This get to the point of knowing without ever even needing words to describe. It's as automatic as tying ones shoe in understanding these people, this is the first and mostly only tool they ever use.

The only fact that I can decipher, and the only real skill most of these people have is the ability to lie and have a lot of fools believe them. Trade and exchange is as elemental as the exchange of energy of the elements atoms that trade between themselves. * and cabal has perverted the very ideal of trade and exchange to a curse word in many avenues.

http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2003/09/01/smallb2.html?t=printable

ENTERPRISE
Legal Focus
Focus on fraud overlooks that we're lying still
Jim Verdonik
Last year the stock market crashed because of bad behavior by some corporate executives.

Many people think we've corrected the problem with the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, Security and Exchange Commission rules and prosecuting wrongdoers.

Certainly, everyone now seems to know that accounting fraud is bad and can land you in jail, but does that solve the problem?

Let's examine an exchange between a defendant and a district attorney that may soon occur in an Enron or WorldCom fraud trial.

DA: "Why should this jury believe you didn't know you were doing wrong?"

DEFENDANT: "Well, I've been lying all my life. Most of the people I know lie to get ahead. Nobody seemed to mind before this. Why now?"

DA: "I find that hard to believe."

DEFENDANT: "Believe it. Lying got me and a lot of other people to the top."

DA: "What kind of lies?"

DEFENDANT: "There's a lie for every occasion. The first I call the 'What If' lie. I tell you something common sense tells you isn't true, but it's so enticing you fantasize about how great the 'What If' would be. Then I sell you something else."

DA: "But if I knew it wasn't really true all along, was it really a lie?"

DEFENDANT: "Good point. I guess there must be rules about when lying is OK and when it isn't.

"What about what I call the 'Self-Induced' lie? People often invite others to lie. For example, I've been trying to sell you services for several months. You call me and say: 'If I give you a project, can you complete it tomorrow?' I'll probably say yes, before I even know what you want me to do. Who's at fault there? If you don't want me to lie to you, don't ask me to."

DA: "This seems like a game to you."

DEFENDANT: "Life is a game. People do what I call 'Vendor Reality' lies all the time. They tell you something that could be true only under extremely limited circumstances. For example, fee estimates using assumptions that are realistic only for the easiest projects. Lawyers tell that type of lie all the time."

DA: "Let's keep lawyers out of this, please."

DEFENDANT: "What about negotiating lies? Lawyers couldn't negotiate a deal for their clients if they always told the truth."

JUDGE: "The jury is instructed to disregard anything the defendant says about lawyers
(snip)

For a big lie told, I submit this article

The Other War Room
President Bush doesn't believe in polling---just ask his pollsters.

By Joshua Green

On a Friday afternoon late last year, press secretaries from every recent administration gathered in the Ward Room of the White House at the invitation of Ari Fleischer, press secretary to President Bush. There was no agenda. It was just one of those unexpectedly nice things that seemed to transpire during the brief period after September 11 when people thought of themselves as Americans first and Democrats and Republicans second. Over a lunch of crab cakes and steak, Republicans such as Fleischer and Marlin Fitzwater traded war stories with Joe Lockhart, Mike McCurry, and assorted other Democrats. Halfway through lunch, President Bush dropped by unexpectedly and launched into an impromptu briefing of his own, ticking off the items on his agenda until he arrived at the question of whether it was preferable to issue vague warnings of possible terrorist threats or to stay quietly vigilant so as not to alarm people. At this point, former Clinton press secretary Dee Dee Myers piped up, "What do the poll numbers say?" All eyes turned to Bush. Without missing a beat, the famous Bush smirk crossed the president's face and he replied, "In this White House, Dee Dee, we don't poll on something as important as national security."

This wasn't a stray comment, but a glimpse of a larger strategy that has served Bush extremely well since he first launched his campaign for president---the myth that his administration doesn't use polling. As Bush endlessly insisted on the campaign trail, he governs "based upon principle and not polls and focus groups."

It's not hard to understand the appeal of this tactic. Ever since the Clinton administration's well-noted excesses---calling on pollsters to help determine vacation spots and family pets---polling has become a kind of shorthand for everything people dislike about Washington politics. "Pollsters have developed a reputation as Machiavellian plotters whose job it is to think up ways to exploit the public," says Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press. Announcing that one ignores polls, then, is an easy way of conveying an impression of leadership, judgment, and substance. No one has recognized and used this to such calculated effect as Bush. When he announced he would "bring a new tone to Washington," he just as easily could have said he'd banish pollsters from the White House without any loss of effect. One of the most dependable poll results is that people don't like polling.

But in fact, the Bush administration is a frequent consumer of polls, though it takes extraordinary measures to appear that it isn't. This administration, unlike Clinton's, rarely uses poll results to ply reporters or congressional leaders for support. "It's rare to even hear talk of it unless you give a Bush guy a couple of drinks," says one White House reporter. But Republican National Committee filings show that Bush actually uses polls much more than he lets on, in ways both similar and dissimilar to Clinton. Like Clinton, Bush is most inclined to use polls when he's struggling. It's no coincidence that the administration did its heaviest polling last summer, after the poorly received rollout of its energy plan, and amid much talk of the "smallness" of the presidency. A Washington Monthly analysis of Republican National Committee disbursement filings revealed that Bush's principal pollsters received $346,000 in direct payments in 2001. Add to that the multiple boutique polling firms the administration regularly employs for specialized and targeted polls and the figure is closer to $1 million. That's about half the amount Clinton spent during his first year; but while Clinton used polling to craft popular policies, Bush uses polling to spin unpopular ones---arguably a much more cynical undertaking.
(snip)
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0204.green.html
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:48 AM
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100. He lied about his military service record!
In his autobiography he said he tried to volunteer for service in Vietnam "to relieve active-duty pilots."

He not only didn't volunteer, but he failed to report for duty and went to Alabama to work on someone's political campaign.


http://www.talion.com/georgebush.html
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:50 AM
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101. He lied about pre-school test scores
When touting his "I'm going to fix head start" plan .

He stated that test scores in pre-school were down .

I'm a pre-school teacher , we do not test in playdough skills people.
Absolutely no testing of any students occurred in ten years of
teaching children aged 2-5 . I've worked for a non-profit center,
head start , and a for profit center , I've always followed
the Piaget theory "Children Learn Through Play".
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MI Cherie Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:51 AM
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102. He "inherited" a BAD economy!
:crazy:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:52 AM
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103. campaign lies vs. reality
I don't know the link for this- was compiled from various sources, though.

In the second presidential debate in October, Bush stated, “I am really strongly committed to clean water and clean air and cleaning up new kinds of challenges like global warming.” So far Bush’s environmental campaign promises have failed to materialize. He has reneged on a campaign pledge to reduce carbon dioxide emissions (which would be an action that would help clean up global warming.) The administration withdrew proposed regulations that would require a substantial reduction in permissible arsenic levels in drinking water. Despite saying last October that he wanted to renew our commitment to the Clean Water Act, he decided to remove protections for isolated waters & weaken sewage overflow rules. He has cut the budget of the Environmental Protection Agency by half a billion dollars over 2 years and has been regularly rolling back EPA regulations.

Along with tax cuts, education was Bush’s stated top priority when he entered the White House. He was the Education President. He promoted the No Child Left Behind bill, which combined greater scholastic accountability and testing with increased funding. Congress passed the bill. However, Bush did not ask for the funding Congress granted in his 2003 and 2004 budgets. The New Hampshire School Administrators Association calculated that Bush’s education plan imposes $575 per student but his budget allows for only $77 per student. The states will be mandated by law to provide the new services, even through many states already have serious budget deficits.

In his campaign, Bush presented himself as a “compassionate conservative” who was a friend to the needs of children. He said his administration would “leave no child behind”. President Bush has proposed tax cuts in child-care assistance for low-income families and in programs designed to investigate and combat child abuse and neglect. He also plans to cut money provided by Congress for an early learning trust fund—which is an effort to improve child care & education for children under age 5. He cut child nutrition & child medical care as well.

In his campaign, Bush contrasted himself to Clinton by saying that his administration would restore morality to the White House. But instead, he has appointed 2 convicted felons to high offices without Congressional approval, has appointed a number of Enron executives, and has built a defense policy board consisting of 9 members who sit on the corporate board of at least one defense contractor.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:55 AM
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104. 395 MORE TO GO WE JUST GOT STARTED, YO
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:00 AM
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107. He lies about the federal deficit!
He said:

"We will not pass along our problems to other Congresses, to other presidents and other generations..."

Then he proceeded to outline "a plan of top hat tax breaks and wartime spending that has taken the federal government from record surplus to record deficit in less than two years" that will "pass on to the next generation the burden of both the fiscal debt and the investment deficit."


http://www.misleader.org/in_the_spotlight/



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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:06 AM
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108. He lied about affordable healthcare!
During his SOTU address he said:
His "second goal, is high quality, affordable health care for all Americans," that will put doctors not "bureaucrats and trial lawyers and HMOS" in charge of American medicine. But in fact, his plan does nothing to extend health insurance or to control the soaring prices. His prescription drug plan requires seniors to move into an HMO in order to receive a drug benefit. More than one-third of all seniors wouldn't even have that option since HMOs aren't available in most rural areas. Worse, the president's plan provides no check on soaring drug prices, and would prohibit Medicare from negotiating the best price for seniors. In essence, the president would provide a $400 billion subsidy not to seniors but to drug companies, giving them a fine return on the investment they made in Republican campaigns last year.


http://www.misleader.org/in_the_spotlight/
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Girlfriday Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:09 AM
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109. Bush on Bush...
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 01:16 AM by Girlfriday
Bush: It’s the president’s job to make sure Congress doesn’t have the money to spend in the first place. It is the president’s job to stand up to express the will of the people, advocate and fight for a meaningful real tax cut. And that’s what I’m going to do.

Source: (X-ref from McCain) GOP Debate in Manchester NH Jan 26, 2000


Too much government spending will end prosperity
Gore offers an old and tired approach. He offers a new federal spending program to nearly every voting bloc. He expands entitlements, without reforms to sustain them. 285 new or expanded programs, and $2 trillion more in new spending. Spending without discipline, spending without priorities, and spending without an end. Al Gore’s massive spending would mean slower growth and higher taxes. And it could mean an end to this nation’s prosperity.
Source: Speech in Minneapolis, Minnesota Nov 1, 2000


Military mission has become fuzzy
BUSH: If this were a spending contest, I’d come in second. I readily admit, I’m not going to grow the size of the federal government like he is. deployment. It must be in the national interests. It must be in our vital interest whether we ever send troops. The mission must be clear. Soldiers must understand why we’re going. The force must be strong enough so that the mission can be accomplished. And the exit strategy needs to be well-defined. I’m concerned that we’re overdeployed around the world. You see, I think the mission has somewhat become fuzzy. Should I be fortunate enough to earn your confidence, the mission of the United States military will be to be prepared and ready to fight and win war, and therefore prevent war from happening in the first place. There may be some moments when we use our troops as peacekeepers, but not often.
Source: St. Louis debate Oct 17, 2000


http://www.issues2002.org/George_W__Bush.htm
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:34 AM
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117. Girlfriday
Two things:

One: This is great stuff. One of the things that infuriated (and still infurates) me most about Bush was the arrogant, condescending tone which he adopted during the debates. Granted, he wasn't exactly speaking with confidence (does he ever), but he was acting as though he had a long track record of international affairs when in fact he had no experience with diplomacy or foreign policy. And now, worst of all, he is going back on what he said, and is doing all of the things that he condemned the Clinton/Gore administration for. Even worse, he is doing it on a much larger scale and will not admidt that his policies may be a failure.

Two: Welcome to DU :hi: :toast: !
Keep posts like this coming!
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:15 AM
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113. His "was" a "shallow recession"
in fact, the only thing about Bush that is NOT shallow is this recession...or is it a depression?
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:20 AM
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114. No nation building; Saddam kicked out UN inspectors; big education $$$
LIE: Bush promised no nation building on his watch.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/helenthomas/2117601/detail.html
As a candidate for the presidency in 2000, George W. Bush insisted that, if elected, he would not allow U.S. military forces to engage in "nation building."
<snip>
Back in 2000, when he was seeking office, it was a different Bush. During the Wake Forest debate, Bush declared: "It really depends upon how our nation conducts its foreign policy. If we're an arrogant nation, they'll resent us. If we're a humble nation, they'll respect us." -- Helen Thomas, Hearst Newspapers, 4/16/2003
- - - - - - -
LIE: Bush said that Saddam kicked out the UN inspectors out of Iraq for the final time, when in fact it was the United States government that did so.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2085840/
"{W}e gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power, along with other nations, so as to make sure he was not a threat to the United States and our friends and allies in the region."
—President Bush, in a Q and A with reporters after an Oval Office meeting with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, July 14, 2003.
Versus:
"Yesterday {the U.N. Monitoring, Verification, and Inspection Commission}, the {International} Atomic {Energy} Agency, and myself got information from the United States authorities that it would be prudent not to leave our staff in the {Iraq} region. I have just informed the Council that we will withdraw the UNMOVIC and Atomic Agency inspectors. …"
—U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, in a Q and A with reporters, announcing the reluctant withdrawal of U.N. inspectors from Iraq, as necessitated by the imminent U.S. invasion, March 17, 2003. The inspections had gone on since November 2002, when Saddam Hussein, in deference to the just-passed U.N. Resolution 1441 (and to the United States' quite visible preparations for war) allowed the U.N. inspectors back in. Saddam had kicked U.N. inspectors out--or rather (to be more precise), refused to allow them back in after they'd withdrawn in protest against Iraqi interference--in 1998.
- - - - - - -
LIE: Bush claimed to have ponied up the "biggest increase in education spending in a long, long time."
http://slate.msn.com/id/2073164/
"I signed a really good education bill. I want to share it with you because it's your responsibility, by the way, to make sure the citizens in this community get educated. … {I}n return for federal money we have said, show us, New Hampshire. You show us. You show us whether our children are learning to read and write and add and subtract. You chart the path to excellence, and you measure. In return for the biggest increase in education spending in a long, long time, we expect every child to be educated."

—President George W. Bush, in an Oct. 5, 2002 speech at the National Guard Armory in Manchester, N.H.
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Girlfriday Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:30 AM
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116. Lots of good stuff here
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 01:37 AM by Girlfriday
"I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question."— Reynoldsburg, Ohio, Oct. 4, 2000

"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program."—Debate in St. Charles, Mo., Nov. 2, 2000

"It's your money. You paid for it."—LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

"I didn't -- I swear I didn't -- get into politics to feather my nest or feather my friends' nests." -- Bush Jr., in the Houston Chronicle



http://austin.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.realchange.org%2Fbushjr.htm
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:51 AM
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120. Thanks for the links, Many a chuckle for too much of what ever
From the link above

(snip)
"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."-Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000

"The great thing about America is everybody should vote."-Austin, Texas, Dec. 8, 2000

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."--Reuters, May 5, 2000

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"-Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

"I understand small business growth. I was one."-New York Daily News, Feb. 19, 2000

"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case."-Pella, Iowa, as quoted by the San Antonio Express-News, Jan. 30, 2000

"It's important for us to explain to our nation that life is important. It's not only life of babies, but it's life of children living in, you know, the dark dungeons of the Internet."—Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000

"I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question."— Reynoldsburg, Ohio, Oct. 4, 2000

"Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature because it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods."—Austin, Texas, Dec. 20, 2000

"The senator has got to understand if he's going to have—he can't have it both ways. He can't take the high horse and then claim the low road."—To reporters in Florence, S.C., Feb. 17, 2000

"We ought to make the pie higher."—South Carolina Republican Debate, Feb. 15, 2000

"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program."—Debate in St. Charles, Mo., Nov. 2, 2000

"It's your money. You paid for it."—LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

"It's not the governor's role to decide who goes to heaven. I believe that God decides who goes to heaven, not George W. Bush." -- George W. Bush, in the Houston Chronicle.

"There ought to be limits to freedom. We're aware of this site, and this guy is just a garbage man, that's all he is." -- George Jr., discussing a web site that parodies him

"I'm a uniter not a divider. That means when it comes time to sew up your chest cavity, we use stitches as opposed to opening it up." -- Bush, on David Letterman, March 2, 2000. (the audience booed)

"I didn't -- I swear I didn't -- get into politics to feather my nest or feather my friends' nests." -- Bush Jr., in the Houston Chronicle
(snip)
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:56 AM
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159. I chuckle for the belief of others that their contemptuousness will work
I did not believe for a minute that this intellectual light weight had the tenacity, moral fortitude or cognitive spirit to ever reason his need to be placed (or installed). Most of everything that he has ever done shines this out brilliantly. The reason he is in that place is because the status quos chose him. This clinging to keep ones world the way it is also is what brings * on and keeps him there.

The world and the people that inhabit it change in spite of any number of others wishes and efforts. Mostly anybody could beat * in an election, even for the role of dog catcher. It is the role the status quo and the people that cling to it that gives the world this affliction. There is no level playing field here, mostly it is only illusion.

The fear of the unknown is what must be confronted if one is ever to over come they obstacles they face
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:41 AM
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118. Don't Forget The 9-11 Health Hazards
The dust was safe, just ordinary building materials pulverizied. No story here, move on...when the EPA was pressured by the White House to issue that statement.

Senator Mrs C is seriously pissed as a lot of voters in NYC are.

Link: http://www.clarian.org/content/reuters/010_10092003.jhtml
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:58 AM
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121. "they have not led, we will"
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 01:58 AM by grasswire
That was the mantra in the campaign, made to denigrate the Clinton administration.

And in the same vein: "Help is on the way."
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:13 AM
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123. Incredible thread
October 25, 2000, source: http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2000/Oct-25-Wed-2000/news/14680806.html

<snip>
RENO -- Republican vice presidential candidate Dick Cheney told 3,500 screaming supporters
Tuesday night that Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore is running advertisements on Nevada
television stations that distort the Republican ticket's view on Yucca Mountain.

Cheney said he and Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush "support the EPA setting
tough standards for health and the environment before anybody does anything" at Yucca
Mountain.


"They are distorting our positions to win votes," he said during a 13-minute speech at Reno-Tahoe
International Airport. "The fact of the matter is there isn't any difference between their position and
the position of Governor Bush."

He said if Bush is elected president, Bush would veto any legislation to put high-level nuclear
waste inside Yucca Mountain, 100 miles northwest of Las Vegas, unless it is based on sound
science.
<the good old "sound science" thing -sd>
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:36 AM
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125. Affirmative Access
his proposed replacement for affirmative action. he lied when using the term "quotas" to describe the U of M AA program :grr:
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drscm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:26 AM
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126. A few additional items - though unable to locate sources
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 03:26 AM by drscm
I cannot locate the source (Roll Call?), but *'s big contribution to AIDS funding in Africa was a rob Peter to pay Paul ploy - by shifting funding from other promised programs in Africa to AIDS.

Late last year, Carribean banks reported the justice department had not begun investigation of Enron's 5,000 accounts in the Caribbean - lest it raise questions about other companies' offshore tax-exempt subsidiaries.

Not a lie, but crooked - By executive order, killed Clinton's eo which denied government contracts to companies who sought caribbean tax exemptions. Immediately benefited Halliburton. Cf. Molly Ivins.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 06:33 AM
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127. lies about McCain's adopted child in primaries. n/t
but good morning.
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Tigerlily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 06:46 AM
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128. I'm a uniter, not a divider.
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 06:53 AM by Tigerlily
In reality, he's neither a uniter nor a divider, he's a destroyer.

And another one... He claims he is a Christian. I have my doubts about that.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 06:53 AM
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129. Flight physical
Couldn't see his physician for flight physical when in National Guard -- except the physicals were to be conducted by military doctors, not one's personal physician.

Trashing of WH and Air Force One -- at great expense to us, proved wrong.

Wanted to go back to DC on 9/11, Secret Service stopped him.
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jenm Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:08 AM
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130. energy hearings
the energy hearings must be kept closed, as a matter of national security.

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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:18 AM
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131. do comments by G. Gordon Liddy count?
He claimed (during a support the war rally) that Jessica Lynch was hung by her ankles and beaten with a baseball bat and that's how she sustained her injuries.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:23 AM
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132. Restoring dignity/dignitude to the white house
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:25 AM
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133. "The UN inspectors were kicked out"
:kick:

Keep it rolling!!!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:30 AM
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134. Funny, just yesterday
I started working on a revised version of W's 2003 SOTU speech. It's a great resource if you want to point out W's numereous lies. Anyway, here's a bit of what I'm working on:


THE PRESIDENT: Mr. Speaker, Vice President Cheney, members of Congress, distinguished citizens and fellow citizens: Every year, by law and by custom, we meet here to consider the state of the union. This year, we gather in this chamber deeply aware of decisive days that lie ahead.

There are days when our fellow citizens do not hear news about the war on terror. There's never a day when I do not ignore another threat, or receive reports of operations in progress, or give an order in this global war against a scattered network of operatives. The war goes on, and we are losing. (Applause.)

To date, we've not been able to arrested or otherwise deal with many key commanders of al Qaeda. They include a man who directed logistics and funding for the September the 11th attacks; the chief of al Qaeda operations in the Persian Gulf, who planned the bombings of our embassies in East Africa and the USS Cole; an al Qaeda operations chief from Southeast Asia; a former director of al Qaeda's training camps in Afghanistan; a key al Qaeda operative in Europe; a major al Qaeda leader in Yemen. All told, more than 3,000 Muslims have been arrested in many countries. But many others have been allowed to escape. Let's put it this way -- they will continue to be a problem to the United States and our friends and allies. (Applause.)



http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:36 AM
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135. A rehash of war lies from buzzflash.com 7/22/03
You already know about this "stuff", and it's probably already accounted for in this thread, but it is a good list I saved a while back. Sorry if it's repetitive. I don't have time to read all of the above.
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/07/22_lies.html
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:09 AM
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136. how about the "Oath of Office"
didn't he lie when he promised to "Preserve, Protect and Defend the Constitution" ???
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:09 AM
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137. I assume you want citations?
This library type will be at it this afternoon.

"We're on a mission from God." (Funny how a quote from a Belushi flick always works.)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:35 AM
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143. 106 miles to Chicago...dark...wearing sunglasses...
Hit it.

:)
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:15 AM
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138. Wow!! It is amazing.
Totally amazing how a few outrageous lies a day can add up. It's overwhelming, completely overwhelming. I'll wager no White House has EVER come up with so many misleading statements and lies in the history of the country - maybe even the planet.

Thank you, Will.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:34 AM
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142. Don't thank me
I just work here. :)
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:18 AM
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139. ken lay/ann richards
didn't bush say lay supported richards and imply that he didn't know lay?
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:40 AM
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145. He didn't imply it, he outright said it.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1208785

Lies are better if they're documented, so here's a snippet from the Houstaon Chronicle:

"Bush, seeking to distance himself from the troubled Houston energy company, said earlier this week that Lay had supported Richards against Bush in the 1994 gubernatorial race.

But in a television interview last year, Lay made it clear that he backed Bush in that race despite his past association with Richards.

"When Governor Bush, now President Bush, decided to run for the governor's spot, (there was) a little difficult situation," Lay told the PBS news show Frontline on March 27, 2001.

"I'd worked very closely with Ann Richards also, the four years she was governor," Lay said.

"But I was very close to George W. and had a lot of respect for him, had watched him over the years, particularly with reference to dealing with his father when his father was in the White House and some of the things he did to work for his father, and so (I) did support him," Lay said."
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:33 PM
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177. It seems the other side of the looking glass is nonsensical
I was a gag when I punched up this page on Enron
http://www.failureisimpossible.com/needtoknow/enron.htm

It is so freaking long its hard to figure out where to start. I picked this one from Robert Scheer because as much as I have distaste for people that would use symbolism rather than reason as a way to run their life. This emblematic mold seems to be what is in operation here. I thought maybe I could point this out somehow with this piece

http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/12.29B.Scheer.Enron.htm

Enron Is Symbolic of Bush Blunders
By Robert Scheer | Los Angeles Times.
December 27, 2001

(snip)
Can it be a mere intelligence deficit that led Enron's ex-CEO to claim to The New York Times that he didn't know how the company came to overvalue its assets to the tune of $600 million, that he didn't know of the highly suspect investment partnerships conducted by his chief financial officer - his most trusted aide - and that he is without a clue as to the reasons behind Enron's collapse?

"We're all trying to figure out what happened," Skilling said. That eerily dumb, if not totally disingenuous, statement haunts at a time when we're trying to figure out what happened to a U.S. economy that has fallen into recession on Bush's watch.

Enron was Bush's model for economic progress, and Enron's Lay was the one individual consulted most closely in private meetings with Vice President Dick Cheney and other top administration officials during development of their environment-busting plan to"solve" our energy problems.

Bush's Enron advisers were the chief zealots in his kitchen cabinet pushing for unregulated markets combined with tax breaks for rich companies. Enron won handsomely on both counts.

The idea that what's good for the super-rich is good for the economy remains Bush's economic mantra. It's a bankrupt philosophy, as witness the Enron debacle.

For an even more ominous example, look no further than the current total collapse of the dramatically deregulated economy of Argentina. Food riots in a once prosperous society are not a pretty sight.
(snip)

Enron's model is now turning into the US treasury's tax model and structure
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:27 AM
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140. He said Saddam wouldn't let the inspectors in.

On Monday July 14, 2003:

"The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely (1). And we gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power, along with other nations (2), so as to make sure he was not a threat to the United States and our friends and allies in the region. I firmly believe the decisions we made will make America more secure and the world more peaceful." -GeeDub

At the White House during a press briefing with Kofi Annan


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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:53 AM
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147. This one sort of set the tone
Shortly after Bush chose Cheney as his running mate, they discovered that the pesky old American Constitution said that a President and Vice President could not be residents of the same state.


Sooooo.....Cheney a resident of Texas, runs off to montana and registers to vote there even though he is, technically residing in Texas.

The slight-of-hand of these two was obvious from the start. You immediately knew how slippery they would become.

don't have the link but I'm sure its easy enough to find for some one who has better query skills than me.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:33 AM
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157. It was Wyoming rather than Montana
But you are right.

Here's a link from 7/24/2000: http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/e2384.htm
<snip>
Cheney could cost Bush electoral votes

WASHINGTON (AP) — If Texan George W. Bush chooses Richard Cheney as his running
mate, the former Wyoming congressman could cost Bush the votes of the 32 Texans in the
Electoral College.

The 12th Amendment says that when members of the Electoral
College vote for a president and vice president, one of the
candidates ''shall not be an inhabitant'' of the same state as the
electors. Assuming Bush won in Texas, the Texas electors could
vote for him for president, but not for another Texan for vice
president.

The ''inhabitant'' question stands a chance - tiny though it is - of
causing a headache for Cheney. Until last week, Cheney was a
resident of Texas, like Bush. Last Friday, he registered to vote in
Wyoming.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:32 AM
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141. A big palpable lie
Sitting in the classroom on 9/11 pretending not to know and then not ti understand the significance of the first attacks. Then backing this up with the Woodward "day the Whitehouse" kindergarten primer about the thoughts and reactions of the administration that day. One unbelieveable quote at a SUBSEQUENT meeting that "you mean AlQaeda and the Taliban are the same?" that beggars credulity.

Bush knew.
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:36 AM
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144. Here ya go...
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:40 AM
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146. A good source of info
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 08:41 AM by southpaw
Jesse Berney has been compiling the "George W. Bush Scorecard of Evil" since the Scalia 5 installed the little shit in office. It may serve as a good resource in innumerating the lies and inconsistencies of shrubco.

http://www.wage-slave.org/scorecard.html
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 08:59 AM
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148. house.gov: 15 or 20 well-documented
http://www.house.gov/appropriations_democrats/caughtonfilm.htm

Lots of lies here, many not mentioned other places.

Children's hospitals, first responders, ethanol, evan start, federal housing, port security, retirement security, labor, border security, fiscal responsibility, vocational ed, veterans, the disadvataged, "No Child Left Behind," Medicare, Boys & Girls Clubs.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:56 AM
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150. Condi: "We had no way of predicting that terrorists
would hijack planes and crash them into buildings."
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Butterflies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:02 AM
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151. the "compassionate conservative" garbage
started off the serial lying. I'll always hate him for misrepresenting himself that way and fooling so many Americans.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:03 AM
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152. He lied again in yesterday's Brit Hume interview
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98006,00.html

"I will make it clear that I made the right decision and the others that joined us made the right decision. The world is a better place without Saddam Hussein. The U.N. is going to be -- has a chance to be more effective as a result of 1441. That's the resolution that said if you don't disarm there will be serious consequences. At least somebody stood up and said this is a definition of serious consequences."





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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:04 AM
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153. swinney has 191 lies already in the can, Will.
.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:18 AM
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154. Yellow cake and aluminum
tubes...
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:21 AM
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155. Bush Admin. Knew Iraq Could Not Pay for Reconstruction with Oil Revenues
THE DAILY MIS-LEAD
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1142214&l=5459
===============================

Bush Administration Knew Iraq Could Not Pay for Reconstruction with Oil Revenues

The Bush Administration has increased its request for reconstruction aid to Iraq more than eight-fold, from an original $2.5 billion to a current level of $20.5 billion, largely because White House officials disregarded a well-documented report revealing the poor state of Iraq's oil industry.

Instead of using revenues from Iraqi oil to finance reconstruction, as the White House predicted before the war, the Administration now is asking for more than $900 million to import oil, propane, diesel and gasoline to the beleaguered country.

Read the full Mis-Lead --> http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1142214&l=5459

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:58 AM
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160. THE ANN RICHARDS LIE
F***ING OUTRAGEOUS. So easily refuted yet NO ONE took him on. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1208785
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:02 AM
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161. Cheney's problem with the truth
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 11:04 AM by T Roosevelt
Let's begin with Halliburton and continue with Iraq

Derrick Z. Jackson. Derrick Z. Jackson is a syndicated columnist based in Boston
Published September 22, 2003

On "Meet the Press" recently, Vice President Dick Cheney said, "Since I left Halliburton to become George Bush's vice president, I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interests. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had now, for over three years."

That is the latest White House lie.

On edit:

<snip>

In the summer of 2000, he told Larry King that quitting Halliburton for the vice presidency means "I take a bath." He gave up a $1.3 million annual salary, but most people would have settled for mere shower droplets of his $33 million "retirement" package. By strange coincidence, at the time of the Republican National Convention, Halliburton gave about $280,000 to Republican candidates for office in the first half of 2000. It gave less than $10,000 to Democrats.

At the time, Cheney said: "I will take whatever steps I have to take to avoid any conflict of interest. That is to say, by the time I'm sworn in on Jan. 20 <2000>, I will have eliminated any possibility that I have a continuing financial interest in Halliburton stock or share price. ... I will do whatever I have to do to guarantee that there's no conflict."

more...
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:16 AM
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162. * on ANWR and energy independence
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 11:22 AM by T Roosevelt
While not specifically *, this is a lie that has been allowed to propagate - that we can eliminate our dependence on foreign oil (or even Middle East oil) by opening up ANWR.

http://www.enn.com/news/wire-stories/2002/04/04192002/reu_46988.asp">U.S. Senate kills Bush plan for Alaska drilling

Friday, April 19, 2002
By Tom Doggett, Reuters

<snip>

President George W. Bush, a former Texas oilman, made drilling in ANWR the centerpiece of his proposed U.S. energy policy. The White House plan also encourages more U.S. production of natural gas, coal, and nuclear power. "At a time when oil and gas prices are rising, the Senate today missed an opportunity to lead America to greater energy independence," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer told reporters. The administration also will fight for ANWR drilling to be included in any final version of an energy bill, Fleischer said.

<more>

On edit: more support (yes, I know it's from Cato, but...)

September 30, 3000
Bush's Energy Babble

by Jerry Taylor

<snip>

Third, you get the impression from W. that America is some sort of latent Saudi Arabia, sitting atop a vast pool of oil that for some inexplicable reason is being left to the bugs and bunnies. In reality, however, there simply isn't enough oil in Alaska or other publicly owned lands to significantly expand the world market. Currently, the United States controls only 2.8 percent of the world's proved reserves of petroleum. Adding Alaskan oil fields now off-limits to the industry in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) might increase that figure by about 50 percent. I say might because we really have no idea how much is there and 50 percent is the most optimistic projection. No exploratory drilling has been allowed.

Putting a big ANWR field into the market would be a sizeable addition to global supply as far as these things go. But not one that will radically change the dynamics of the world oil market, particularly when that oil is about 6 times more expensive to produce than Persian Gulf oil. Even if America had opened up those reserves a decade ago, we'd still be in the same boat today. OPEC's ability to manipulate the world market wouldn't be significantly attenuated by the Bush plan.

<more>
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monkeyboy Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:18 AM
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163. "Ten Appaling Lies"
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:27 AM
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164. Quotes as part of a larger deception
Neither Can We Drill Our Way to Energy Independence
by Alan Balch
5/21/01

"Conservation...is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy." Dick Cheney

"We can not conserve our way to energy independence." George W. Bush

These two oft repeated quotes from the Bush administration are meant to serve at least two purposes: 1) they are an attempt to discredit environmentalists who will of course push for conservation; 2) they are meant to cast the opposition as single- mindedly focused on conservation. Besides the fact that few, if any, policy makers or special interests are actually suggesting that conservation alone can provide our energy needs, what's disappointing about these statements is that they downplay the importance of energy efficiency. Conservation basically means to avoid waste or to use more efficiently. Political conservatives are constantly railing against things like government inefficiency and moral waste, so decreasing energy waste and increasing inefficiency should be an easy sell to conservatives. On NBC's "Meet the Press," Tim Russert asked Vice President Cheney why the Bush administration wants to dramatically cut funding for certain programs promoting renewable energy such as solar, hydro, and wind power. Cheney responded: "some of those programs were recommended for closing because they weren’t efficient." Cheney clearly sees efficiency as a conservative virtue, just not when it comes to energy policy. The Bush administration should be using the concept of energy conservation as a vehicle for bringing the left and right together, rather than pulling them apart. For example, one problem that both the left and right agree upon is our country's dependence upon foreign oil. This problem also happens to be one that can only be adequately addressed through significant reliance upon conservation as part of a comprehensive energy policy ("part of" being the key words here).

<more>
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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:35 AM
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165. The whopper that fooled so many people into voting for him
That he would restore honor and integrity to the White House.
Also, has anyone already mentioned his tax evasion when he turned his sweetheart Rangers deal around? As well as his failure to file SEC disclosures as required by law.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:22 PM
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175. "i'm a uniter, not a divider"
actually not really a lie...he's uniting the entire world in oppostion to his regime.
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:37 AM
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166. Noo-kyu-lar waste storage at Sierra Mtn., NV
During the campaign trail, Bush said he'd wait for the science before moving it there. Then, like magic, he found it when he was elected. He broke a MAJOR promise there.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 04:24 PM
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209. It's Yucca Mountain
And a friendly little kick to the front page.
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_Wayne_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:39 AM
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167. I'm away from my PC, but here is one all should be familiar with
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 11:41 AM by _Wayne_
From Molly Ivins' Shrub

"You've got to ask the question, is the air cleaner since I became governor? And the answer is yes."
- George W. Bush, May 1999

By no known standard has the air of Texas improved under Governor Bush, nor has anything else involving the environment. He personally intervened to protect major air polluters in the state, and his appointees in this area are staggeringly dreadful.

According to the tri-national North American Commission on Environmental Cooperation, set up by NAFTA, Texas pollutes more than any other state or Canadian province. That record includes air pollution and water pollution. We're number one.

And according to records kept by the Environmental Defense Fund, Texas is also number one in:

overall toxic releases
recognized carcinogens in the air
suspected carcinogens in the air developmental toxins in the air (affecting brain and nervous-system development in children)
cancer risk.

And number one in ten other categories of dangerous air pollutants in the environment too.
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:48 AM
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169. The chimp lied during
the campaign to the coal miners in West Virginia. He said he'd open the mines and there would be jobs. That's why WV voted for him.

His mother lied when she said "do you think I'd let my George do away with Social Security?"

He said we could have everything if we had tax cuts.

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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:04 PM
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171. "God Bless America"
Bush* ends every speech with this, and it's obvious from both his words and his deeds that he doesn't care one bit for either God or America, unless they can be invoked to further his twisted neocon plans.

He obviously believes in neither.

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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:12 PM
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172. He lied about the war on terrorism
He said after 9/11, that he would 'make no distinction between terrorists states and the states that sponsor terrorism' (paraphrasing a quote) YET it has become obvious that Saudi Arabia is a sponsor of terrorism, and they are getting a pass.

He lied about the blackout, he said the outdated grid was always a concern " I've said so all along" he claimed. Not true.
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ThirdEye Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:15 PM
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173. Bush on scientific studies...
I apologize that I do not have the specific links. There is an incrediable website on the house.gov website that basically outlines how the Bush administration has taken every study it has sponsored and only pulled out the conclusions that fit their needs. That website alone would provide incrediable amount of information that demonstrates Bush's lack of interest in the public's well being. I'll keep looking for it, but I'm sure someone else here has been there.


ThirdEye
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ThirdEye Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:17 PM
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174. Here's another good one...
How about the lie that the Clinton administration vandalized the white house as they were moving out?
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:27 PM
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176. How about this.."We will avoid even the appearance of impropriety"?
He mumbled something to that effect in his installation speech no? Then how do you explain Cheney and Haliburton's no bid contracts? Same with Rummy and Bechtel. Or how about Rove and his Microsoft stock? There were others but I cannot remember their names off-hand..

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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:34 PM
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178. Scalia declares 'democracy interferes with Divine Right of God's Rulers!!'
The lie: The supreme court that appointed George W. Bush is defending the US Constitution and Democracy.

Fact: Supreme Court Jusice Antonin Scalia gives a speech in 2002 where he declares that democracy interferes with God's plans!!!!.
link: http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0205articles/scalia/html

"The mistaken tendency to believe that a democratic government, being nothing more than the composite will of its individual citizens, has no more moral power or authority than they do as individuals has adverse effects in other areas as well. It fosters civil disobedience, for example, which proceeds on the assumption that what the individual citizen considers an unjust law—even if it does not compel him to act unjustly—need not be obeyed. St. Paul would not agree. “Ye must needs be subject,” he said, “not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.”

"For conscience sake. The reaction of people of faith to this tendency of democracy to obscure the divine authority behind government should not be resignation to it, but the resolution to combat it as effectively as possible."
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MI Cherie Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:37 PM
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179. Cheap Gas ...
What happened to all that "cheap gas"?

Also, wasn't the oil supposed to pay for the cost of war and rebuilding?
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kmla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:38 PM
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180. I distintively remember about the 9 or so Japanese fishermen
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 12:39 PM by kmla
who died in an accident when a military sub surfaced underneath them, capsizing their vessel.

Who was at the helm? Rumour has it that it was a few of the fat bastards from Enron, who were getting a joy ride and pretending to play sailor as a payback for their campaign contributions. Did the administration ever say who was at fault or if a civilian actually was responsible for this? Nahhhh.

The fault, I'm sure, was in the general area of Bill Clinton's groin.

Edit - crappy spelling.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:52 PM
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181. Will, I've been wanting to make up printable flyers...
with assorted Bush lies/and truths about the economy, war etc..

Then I wanted to ask DUers to distribute nation wide. Are you interested in having a printable flyer on truthout?

Thanks...

I think you'd be a great person to motivate DUers for something like this...
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:05 PM
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182. Bush Administration Knew Iraq Could Not Pay for Reconstruction with Oil Re
THE DAILY MIS-LEAD
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1187655&l=5459
===============================

Bush Administration Knew Iraq Could Not Pay for Reconstruction with Oil Revenues

The Bush Administration has increased its request for reconstruction aid to Iraq more than eight-fold, from an original $2.5 billion to a current level of $20.5 billion, largely because White House officials disregarded a well-documented report revealing the poor state of Iraq's oil industry.

Instead of using revenues from Iraqi oil to finance reconstruction, as the White House predicted before the war, the Administration now is asking for more than $900 million to import oil, propane, diesel and gasoline to the beleaguered country.

Read the full Mis-Lead --> http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1187655&l=5459

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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:12 PM
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183. Just found this one on another thread
by Quilp

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=389452

This is from a website called news.com.au. It is a headline in Buzzflash. (I have no clue how to make a link. I hope I'm not breaking any rules).

John Pilger is an Australian journalist.

"Pilger uncovered VIDEO FOOTAGE of Powell in Cairo on February 24, 2001 saying, "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."

Two months later, Rice reportedly said, "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."

Powell boasted this was because America's policy of containment and its sanctions had effectively disarmed Saddam."
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Papa Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:55 PM
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184. Look at any speech, it's chock full of lies...
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 02:09 PM by Papa
http://usembassy-australia.state.gov/hyper/2003/0129/epf307.htm

January 29, 2003 before the Iraq war began...


"I'm convinced that this still can be done peacefully.
LIE

I certainly hope so.
LIE

The idea of committing troops is my last option, not my first.
LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE

I understand the terrible price of war.
LIE LIE LIE. No you don't Mr AWOL Bush*

I understand what it means to put somebody into combat.
LIE LIE LIE. It's obvious you don't. you've never been in combat so how can you really understand?

I know what it means to hug mothers and wives.
LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE. You have not hugged ONE mother or wife of a lost soldier or attended any of their funerals". LIAR

-- GWB to Barbara Walters, ABC "20/20," 12/13/02.
"There's only one person who is responsible for making that decision , and that's me. And there's only one person who hugs the mothers and the widows, the wives and the kids on the death of their loved ones. Others hug, but having committed the troops, I've got an additional responsibility to hug, and that's me, and I know what it's like." -- GWB to Barbara Walters, ABC "20/20," 12/13/02.

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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:29 PM
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187. Read the Bush Dyslexicon
It has a lot of them in there with footnotes and endnotes for reference.
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:44 PM
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188. Since we're posting links...
One Thousand Reasons

Just a few...

War


1. Bush's perversion of the "war on terror" has led to mission creep. For more than a year, President Bush has framed Iraq as part of the "war on terror." And for more than a year, he has produced no evidence for that claim. No evidence of a link between Iraq and 9/11. No evidence of an affinity between Saddam Hussein's secular tyranny and the fundamentalists of al-Qaida. No evidence of a terrorist presence in Iraq greater than in other Arab or Muslim countries. No evidence that Iraq offered weapons of mass destruction to terrorists. Slate September 10, 2003 link


2. Wolfowitz Shifts Rationales on Iraq War. As the Bush administration's leading hawk on Iraq, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz has been a tireless proponent of the argument that Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction was a compelling enough reason for the United States to resort to war. These days, his emphasis is different. Washington Post September 11, 2003 link

20. We were told that Iraq had stores of chemical weapons. Glen Rangwala, Middle East Reference 18 March 2003 link


21. We were told that Iraq had store of biological weapons. Glen Rangwala, Middle East Reference 18 March 2003 link


22. We were told that the US government knew where these things were. William Rivers Pitt, truthout June 13, 2003 link


23. We were told that Iraq had an active nuclear program. Glen Rangwala, Middle East Reference 18 March 2003 link


24. We were told that Iraq had nuclear weapons (ask Cheney about this one) Glen Rangwala, Middle East Reference 18 March 2003 link


25. We were told that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Niger. Washington Post August 9, 2003 link

Women's Rights


1. Joining Sudan, Libya and the Vatican, the White House is fighting to delete language requiring that women and adolescent girls have full access to affordable, quality reproductive health care, from the draft document for the UN Special Session on Children. The U.S. maintains this position despite the fact that reproductive health care is a proven way to reduce maternal and infant mortality, which all parties agree is crucial to improve the lives of children. Center for Reproductive Rights August 30, 2001 link


2. Under the Bush proposal, the government would spend $300 million annually on programs promoting marriage, $200 million of which would come from federal dollars and $100 million from matching funds required of the states. The proposal aims to encourage the formation and maintenance of two-parent married families and responsible fatherhood through funding made available for research, demonstrations, technical assistance and matching grants to states. Crosswalk, nd link

and on and on in that fashion. There's one fucking thousand of them. But, as was stated earlier, probably many more. Really, the lies are so numerous they're probably uncountable at this stage. But good luck anyway, Will!! :bounce:
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:46 PM
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189. Didja see EarlG's today?
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 04:54 PM
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190. Lies of omission
does anyone have the link to the memoryhole post where they noted that Bush's health people were removing information about various health issues (sex was the one I remember...but we all remember sex...well, I hope you all do... :)

anyway, I remember the memory hole was saving lots of information off the govt sites where the Bushies were removing information which didn't fit their ideological bent.


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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 06:30 PM
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191. Clark called Rove
and asked to be allowed to be a republican.

talkingpointmemo.com does a good dissection of this big pile of steaming b.s.

...as in, there were NO calls from Clark on the phone logs, and then some idiots were saying that it was Clark, rather the repukes, who were trying to spread this rumor.

Rove got his start as a dirty trickster. He's still, as Joe Wilson calls the administration officials who tried to mess with him,

a "low, slimeball" peckerhead. (okay, I added the last word.)
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:32 PM
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196. there must have been a lie...
....associated with the stem cell research. For starters, he probably spent that August hiding from the terrorist attack they knew was coming, not "deliberating" this earth-shaking problem.

Another lie: the Texas ranch! A prop.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 06:49 PM
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192. Seen this clip from John Stewart's Daily Show? Bush vs. Bush
Who better to expose the lies than Bush himself? He is his own worst accusor.

Just select the Bush v. Bush video clip on the bottom left hand side of the page.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comedycentral.com%2Ftv_shows%2Fthedailyshowwithjonstewart%2F
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 06:59 PM
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193. Found so far:
(snip)
I HAVE NO FINANCIAL INTEREST IN HALLIBURTON OF ANY KIND AND HAVEN'T HAD NOW, FOR OVER THREE YEARS." That is the latest White House lie.

. . . Democratic Senator Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey pointed reporters toward Cheney's public financial disclosure sheets filed with the US Office of Government Ethics. . . . in 2002, Cheney received $162,392 in deferred salary from Halliburton, the oil and military contracting company he ran before running for vice president. In 2001, Cheney received $205,298 in deferred salary from Halliburton.

The 2001 salary was more than Cheney's vice presidential salary of $198,600. Cheney also is still holding 433,333 stock options.

http://proquest.umi.com/pqdweb?index=0&did=000000407041251&SrchMode=1&sid=1&Fmt=3&VInst=PROD&VType=PQD&RQT=309&VName=PQD&TS=1064359008&clientId=1082

(snip)
Meanwhile Bush's claims continue to crumble. A Washington Post story this week reported that United Nations weapons inspectors found nothing to back up Bush's claims last October that Saddam Hussein had a revamped nuclear arms program. Yet on March 16, just three days before the war, Vice President Dick Cheney declared about Saddam, "We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."

http://proquest.umi.com/pqdweb?index=12&did=000000370753251&SrchMode=1&sid=1&Fmt=3&VInst=PROD&VType=PQD&RQT=309&VName=PQD&TS=1064359318&clientId=1082

Not exactly a lie, but very hypocritical:
(snip)
http://proquest.umi.com/pqdweb?index=99&did=000000241849041&SrchMode=1&sid=1&Fmt=3&VInst=PROD&VType=PQD&RQT=309&VName=PQD&TS=1064360472&clientId=1082

More hypocrisy:
(snip)
The United States is joining with the world to supply aid where it reaches people and lifts up lives, to extend trade and the prosperity it brings and to bring medical care where it is desperately needed. italics mine

On second though, it is a big LIE.

http://proquest.umi.com/pqdweb?index=127&did=000000174998241&SrchMode=1&sid=1&Fmt=3&VInst=PROD&VType=PQD&RQT=309&VName=PQD&TS=1064360706&clientId=1082#fulltext


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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:48 PM
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197. Iraqi officials met with 911 attackers... n/t
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:11 PM
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198. Kick back to the top
:kick:
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Evanstondem Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:08 PM
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199. How About Today's Speech
As with any Bush speech, there's no shortage of lies to choose from. Here's one example:

"Afghanistan's president, who is here today, now represents a free people who are building a decent and just society, a nation fully joined in the war against terror."

Really? According to the UN, Afghanistan is building their opium business...

UN official warns persistent Afghanistan opium growing could destabilize region
19 September – Underscoring the far-reaching consequences of opium cultivation in Afghanistan, the top United Nations official on drugs and crime today warned Presidents of the former Soviet States that the resulting "trilogy of problems" could destabilize the whole region.

Addressing the 12 member countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) in Yalta, Ukraine, UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) Executive Director Antonio Maria Costa said Drug trafficking from Afghanistan presents a host of problems from drug addiction and HIV/AIDS epidemics to the use of resources generated through opium trafficking by organized crime and even terrorist groups.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/search.asp
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:59 PM
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200. Wolfowitz Retreats on Iraq Rhetoric
09/12/03 -
"...Wolfowitz concedes he had not spoken accurately the previous day when he said on ABC's Good Morning America, "We know had a great deal to do with terrorism in general and with al Qaeda in particular, and we know a great many of bin Laden's key lieutenants are now trying to organize in cooperation with old loyalists from the Saddam regime to attack in Iraq." Turns out that Wolfowitz's many meant one. Speaking to AP, he said he was only referring to a single individual--Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a terrorist whom the Bush administration has linked to al Qaeda. But the Zarqawi connection has not been confirmed ..."
(Emphasis mine)

http://www.bushlies.com/newlies.php

...and the lies keep coming!

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TellTheTruth Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 06:11 AM
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201. Here's a few

"President Bush proclaimed that a report by leading economists concluded that the economy would grow by 3.3 percent in 2003 if his tax cut proposals were adopted. No such report exists." Gordan Livingston, 06.03.03


On April 26, President Bush said in his weekly radio address, "My jobs and growth plan would reduce tax rates for everyone who pays income tax."

That turned out not to be true. According to the nonprofit Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, an unspecified number of low- and middle-income families received no tax cut at all because they'd been excluded from an expansion of the child-care tax. --Timothy Noah, 06.03.03

http://slate.msn.com/id/2083852/

WHITE HOUSE CONTINUES BUDGET DOUBLESPEAK "The budget differs from those of other recent presidents in two important ways. Nowhere does Mr. Bush make balancing the budget an important goal. And he makes no claim that the era of big government is over, or even nearing an end. "This is a president of big projects and big ideas," his budget director, Mitchell E. Daniels Jr., said today....Paying no heed to the notion of a balanced budget, Mr. Bush advocates deep tax cuts on top of the large ones enacted two years ago. By contrast, when big deficits began to appear after President Ronald Reagan drove tax cuts through Congress in 1981, Mr. Reagan approved offsetting tax increases....Mr. Daniels said this morning, "A balanced federal budget remains a high priority for this president." But unlike the submissions of recent predecessors, this budget describes no plans to reach that goal. " 02.04.03

http://news.google.com/news?num=10&hl=en&scoring=d&btnG=Search+News&q=bush+budget+deficits


Bush's War Against Women Began With A Campaign Lie
"Running for the White House in the fall of 2000, George W. Bush did not talk about ending the right to abortion. To avoid scaring off moderate voters, he promoted a larger "reverence for life" agenda that also included adoption and tougher drunken driving laws. Voters were encouraged to believe that while Mr. Bush was anti-choice, he was not out to reverse Roe v. Wade. Yet two years into the Bush presidency, it is apparent that reversing or otherwise eviscerating the Supreme Court's momentous 1973 ruling that recognized a woman's fundamental right to make her own childbearing decisions is indeed Mr. Bush's mission. The lengthening string of anti-choice executive orders, regulations, legal briefs, legislative maneuvers and key appointments emanating from his administration suggests that undermining the reproductive freedom essential to women's health, privacy and equality is a major preoccupation of his administration — second only, perhaps, to the war on terrorism." --NYT Editorial, 01.12.03

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/12/opinion/12SUN1.html?ex=1064548800&en=744805131df45e09&ei=5070



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TellTheTruth Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 06:27 AM
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202. This speaks to the "Compassionate Conservative" Lie
His nomination of RW judges...."Compassion" is NOT what he intends with these nominees.

Charles Pickering
Miguel Estrada
Pricilla Owen
Bill Pryor

http://www.montanaforum.com/rednews/2003/07/26/build/officials/us-bushjujs.php?nnn=6

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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 08:06 AM
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203. Veterans' Medical Care (Another Bait and Switch)
Edited on Wed Sep-24-03 08:07 AM by October
Bush touts the importance of veterans medical care at Walter Reed Army Hospital <1/17/03>

“Having been here and seeing the care that these troops get is comforting for me and Laura. We are -- should and must provide the best care for anybody who is willing to put their life in harm's way.” – Bush, 1/17/03


Bush's visit came on the same day that the Administration announced it is immediately cutting off access to its health care system approximately 164,000 veterans .



*bold emphasis was mine.

Special thank you to Caught on Film:
http://www.house.gov/appropriations_democrats/caughtonfilm.htm
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 08:08 AM
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204. Mine
From an e-mial this summer to a freeper. Sorry, you'll have to Google for some of the sources, but just to make sure these are included:

----
"We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in."
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030714-3.html)

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"You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons....They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two.* And we'll find more weapons as time goes on, But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them."
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60140-2003May30.html?nav=hptop_tb)

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"My jobs and growth plan would reduce tax rates for everyone who pays income tax."
(http://slate.msn.com/id/2083852/)

According to the nonprofit Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, an unspecified number of low- and middle-income families received no tax cut at all because they'd been excluded from an expansion of the child-care tax.

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Bush claimed repeatedly that he had no "war plans" for Iraq, in spite of the fact that planning for war with Iraq began within hours of the events of 9/11.

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Bush's assertions that Iraq had a fleet of unmanned aircraft that could be used for "missions targeting the United States;"

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He cited a non-existent report from the IAEA saying the Iraqis were "six months away from developing a nuclear weapon."

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Bush found it cute to tell audiences that he promised during the campaign that he would only allow the federal budget to go into a deficit in times of war, recession or national emergency, but that he never imagined he would "have a trifecta." (The only problem with that one is that Bush never made that campaign claim. He heard it though -- from Al Gore. D'oh!)

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On January 27, 2003, Bush joked, "I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war."

BEEN TO WAR??? Just what war was that? Bush's daddy pulled some strings to get him into the Texas Air National Guard. Avoiding combat apparently wasn't enough for him and he found it impossible to keep his committment to Guard duty. Here are the orders suspending him from flying status for failing to submit to a medical exam: http://www.talion.com/suspension.html. He failed to report to anybody for ten months after that. Here's a complete rundown of Bush's "war" record: http://www.talion.com/georgebush.html

----
About that recession that "started before Bush was in office," according to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the official arbiter of recessions and expansions, the economy started shrinking in March 2001, two months after the Bush presidency began.


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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 01:19 PM
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208. 'Bush claimed repeatedly that he had no "war plans" for Iraq'
Someone needs to tell * we knew he was coming, we just didn't know what...he looked like. You know the most abhorrent thing I find in my life today I how they have to lie about it to make it work for them. I was never a good student, but always was one to question the teacher to find out if they had some insight or could answer a complex question succinctly. Asking the questions and not letting someone try to lead them to that correct answer (that they perceive)
is where I like to go.

Frankly, I think some of these oil people had in the back of their mind early 1930's that them large pools of oil in the mid-east (Arab world) were going to be theirs, and they were just waiting till they needed to got get them.

http://rwor.org/a/v24/1151-1160/1159/iraq.htm

Iraq in the Crosshairs
U.S. Plans for Major War in Middle East
Revolutionary Worker #1159, July 21, 2002, posted at rwor.org
(snip)
No big outcry came from Congress. Leading Democrats say they support the Bush policy of "regime change"--code for a U.S.-organized coup or outright invasion of Iraq. Some senators called for hearings on the Bush plans--to assess the best way to achieve imperialist objectives. One Republican said that he'd back congressional hearings "as a way of building public support for potential military action." Editorial commentary in the capitalist media mainly focused on discussing the tactics and timing of a war on Iraq.

Military Buildups in the Region

Since September 11 there has been intense discussion within the ruling class over how to seize upon the attacks to advance U.S. global interests. Much of this discussion has focused on Iraq- -on its centrality to overall U.S. plans and on the best means to "take down" the Saddam Hussein regime.

Most of this discussion has taken place behind closed doors. The Bush administration has repeatedly declared its "regime change" policy for Iraq--while denying any specific plans and time-frame for war. During a trip to Germany in May, Bush claimed he had "no war plans on my desk." It turns out that the CentCom Courses of Action had been drawn up earlier that month.

The options reportedly being considered include a CIA-organized coup against the Hussein regime; a campaign--modeled after the U.S. war in Afghanistan--involving a combination of air strikes, a limited number of U.S. Special Forces, and anti-Hussein forces in Iraq; a full-scale U.S. invasion; and various combinations of all three.

According to the New York Times , the existence of the Courses of Action document indicates the war planners are tilting in the direction of a massive invasion: "Most military and administration officials believe that a coup in Iraq would be unlikely to succeed, and that a proxy battle using local forces would not be enough to drive the Iraqi leader from power."

Meanwhile, the U.S. has been actively preparing for battle on various fronts. The Washington Post (6/16) reports that earlier this year, Bush "signed an intelligence order directing the CIA to undertake a comprehensive, covert program to topple Saddam Hussein, including authority to use lethal force to capture the Iraqi president." The order instructs the CIA to step up financial, military and organizational support of anti-Hussein forces within Iraq; beef up intelligence gathering in Iraq; and plan for the possible use of CIA and Special Forces units to hunt down Hussein. One official told the Post that these plans were not a substitute for war but "should be viewed largely as `preparatory' to a military strike."
(snip)

basic stats for US imperialism : LA IndymediaLos Angeles Independent Media
Center

Original article is at http://la.indymedia.org/news/2002/11/22725.php
basic stats for US imperialism
by cecil • Sunday November 24, 2002 Sunt 04:18 PM

a reference guide for activists.
Basic Statistics for United States Imperialism
Contents:
1—list of interventions for “regime change”
2—list of air warfare campaigns
3—list of client states
4—list of states held by debt-leverage imperialism
5—list of foreign base hosts
6—list of murder toll
7—list of unsavory rightists supported
8—list of perverted international bodies
9—list of interventions for opposing liberation
10—list of interventions pre-1941
11—list of covert operations
12—list of front organizations
13—list of low intensity conflicts
14—list of proxy wars
15—list of foreign policy doctrines
16—list of propaganda campaigns
Bibliography
Useful Periodicals
Relevant Hyperlinks

1. Chronological list of interventions, with the purpose of effecting “regime
change,” attempted or materially supported by the United States—whether
primarily by means of overt force (OF), covert operation (CO), or subverted
election (SE):
(snip)
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 11:39 AM
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206. How about
Homeland Security not being used on its citizens and it was used to locate the Texas Dems.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 12:14 PM
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207. This is a very potent subject and some people need to wise up
The way for them to turn the corner and gain control over both is for one group to start suspecting the other group and shut down communications between them.

It was no accident when they took out and destroyed every telephone switchboard they could find in Iraq. First thing to do is follow the money and check out the ones that have the most to gain when conflict arises .

http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine08112003.html

Homeland Security for Whom?
Are Bush, Ashcroft, and Wolfowitz Protecting America or Their Own Regime?
By DOUGLAS VALENTINE

Adapted from the July 2003 issue of Penthouse Magazine

"The implication or latent threat of terror was sufficient to insure that the people would comply."

William Colby, creator of the CIA's Phoenix Program, which targeted Vietnamese leaders for assassination during the Vietnam War

For those of you believe the war on terror and the violent occupation of Iraq will ensure world peace, you've got another thing coming; and that thing is the illegitimate Bush Regime's homeland security infrastructure.

Let me state the point of this article up front: The war on terror, and its "homeland security" counterpart, are flip sides of the same coin. They are the same ideology applied to foreign and domestic policy. But like CIA agent Alden Pyle in The Quiet American, their evil intention is wrapped in a complex matrix of transparent lies. Pointedly, that evil intention is to provide the Bush Regime with political internal security at home, thus enabling it to plunder the world with impunity.

The foreign policy aspect of this synthesis was promulgated on September 20, 2002 in the "The National Security Strategy of the United States" (a.k.a. the Bush Manifesto) in which the Bush Regime confers upon itself the divine right to devastate any nation it dislikes, or has vast oil fields or other natural resources that it covets. This first-degree-murder strategy makes about 70 percent of Americans feel good about Bush. But Bush has an insidious ulterior motive, and if these feel-good Americans were to read the fine print of his Manifesto, they would realize that by generating more human misery around the world, the eternal war on terror will create more dissenters at home, and thus provide Bush with the mandate he needs to impose a de facto military dictatorship, as prescribed in his domestic policy statements: the Homeland Security, Patriot, and Domestic Security Enhancement Acts.

Just as waging war around the world is popular, so too will be suppressing domestic dissent. For example, Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly recently had to defend himself when he said war protesters were "un-American." His producers made him do some fast backpedaling, but the Big Mouth was expressing the true feelings of most of his listeners. The airwaves and editorial columns bombard the public with the Bill Riley message, and that is how peace activists go from being bad Americans to being enemies of the state. And that is how the war on terror translates into a homeland security infrastructure that suppresses dissent.

The Shell Game

Homeland Security is a euphemism for internal security, but that phrase has the nasty ring of McCarthyism to it, and the anti-Communist witch-hunts of the 1950s, led by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover and racist Senator James Eastland's Internal Security Subcommittee. Before the neo-cons got hooked on terror, America's hawks were obsessed with Godless Communism. Hoover devoted his life to destroying every Communist in America, while the Dulles brothers (CIA Director Allen and Secretary of State John) harnessed the mania and used it as a convenient pretext for Cold War foreign intervention, and laid the foundation stones for the American empire after World War II. In the same way, Bush's anal obsession with terror is the new contrived pretext for solidifying world domination. But as Hoover, Eastland, and the Dulles' knew, without political internal security, Bush cannot wage war abroad, with all the economic benefits that entails.
(snip)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 06:42 PM
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210. Kick
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 06:49 PM
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211. Geez, Will - this thing'll have to be longer than "War and Peace!"
EVERY Chimp lie?? WOW! Talk about ambitious!
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MI Cherie Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 02:10 AM
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212. Did anyone ever really believe . . .
. . . that he was "very, very sorry" regarding the spy plane that "got in the way" by China (or possibly closer to Viet Nam)?

:kick:
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