Has anyone (MSM, alternative news) linked the OSP to the DSM

[BlueEyedSon]

and the "fixing" of intel?

[acmavm]

1. No one says anything about the OSP and little Dougie Feith anymore.

I've brought him up a couple of times and no one's really said anything. What ever happened to him? I know he has to be lying low because of the Israeli spy scandal, but has anyone spotted that lying little bastard criminal lately?

[BlueEyedSon]

2. It seems to me the OSP was the main organ fabricating intel and

feeding it to the executives so that they would have "plausible deniability", as opposed to them just outright disassembling.

[acmavm]

3. I think they ALL lied, outright or otherwise. And the phrase 'plausible

deniability' has always struck me as an oxymoron because in the end, if a criminal scheme is run by lying incompetent bastard, it fall apart and the guilty parties are just standing there looking ridiculous. And the whole wmd scam is a perfect example.

Any way, back to my question. Where's Dougie?

Maybe someone should put out an APB for the little creep. Lord knows he (and his fellow OSPers) certainly cost this country dearly. Without them, bush** and cheney wouldn't have been able to pull the Shock and Awe scam off as easily as they did.

[leveymg]

4. Google: Larry Franklin - 708 entries

See: http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=85378;title=APFN

Links to other stories about the OSP-AIPAC "lie factory" follows article. Read AntiWar's article, in particular.

Sorry, aside from the Israeli press, scant MSM coverage -- and most of that buries or omits the major news in the unsealed Franklin indictment: Israeli intel was feeding OSP "cooked" data about alleged IRAN WMDs. Same modus operandi as the fake Iraq WMD documents referenced in the DSM.

[Stephanie]

5. More info on the neocons here >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=110&topic_id=80&mesg_id=80

[leveymg]

14. Thanks - I see you've been really on this top of this subject!

:thumbsup: :hi: :thumbsup:

[Stephanie]

15. It was a group effort - I'm just the archivist

But DU has been all over this for years now.

[leveymg]

17. Pleased to make your acquaintance, Stephanie

Yes, I can see this is one of the more organized topics. Great resource - are there other subjects like this, that are archived?

I started writing articles for DU back in Sept '02, but didn't really begin posting in earnest until after that dark day last November when Kerry-Edwards.com closed down.

Happy to meet you! :toast:

[Stephanie]

19. check out the demopedia -

the link is on the home page.

:toast:

[leftchick]

6. I don't think I have ever heard OSP from any Democrats

Why? It is so obvious, just follow the chain and with excellent witnesses like Karen Kwaitkowski....



http://motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405.html

~snip~

Kwiatkowski, 43, a now-retired Air Force officer who served in the Pentagon's Near East and South Asia (NESA) unit in the year before the invasion of Iraq, observed how the Pentagon's Iraq war-planning unit manufactured scare stories about Iraq's weapons and ties to terrorists. "It wasn't intelligence‚ -- it was propaganda," she says. "They'd take a little bit of intelligence, cherry-pick it, make it sound much more exciting, usually by taking it out of context, often by juxtaposition of two pieces of information that don't belong together." It was by turning such bogus intelligence into talking points for U.S. officials‚ -- including ominous lines in speeches by President Bush and Vice President Cheney, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell's testimony at the U.N. Security Council last February‚ -- that the administration pushed American public opinion into supporting an unnecessary war.

[Just Me]

12. I wish Karen was testifying at Conyer's hearings today.

She is strong, credible and an American patriot of the highest order.

[leftchick]

13. I am hoping this is the first of Many hearings...

Perhaps Karen can be at the next one? :)

[BrotherBuzz]

16. My rep., Ellen Tausher did..

"The concern is they (OSP) were in the cherry-picking business," says U.S. Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D-Calif., a member of the House Armed Services Committee. "Cherry-picking half-truths and rumors and only highlighting pieces of information that bolstered the administration's case for war."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/07/16/intelligence/index_np.html

[KharmaTrain]

7. Let's Let Everyone Else Catch Up...

I see some already holding impeachment hearings...Whoa!

This story is far from getting "real legs" yet. It's taken a lot of pressure from many of us to get it to this point...which is to get the corporate media just to acknowledge we breathe. One step at a time.

Remember, there are still many sheeple...even those who we don't think fall into that catagory, that want to believe this country didn't do bad things or is doing bad things. They may not like this regime like they did, but they still can't buy into the "he planned this war on purpose" mantra...yet. There's tons of propoganda we still have to overcome...including many who still think 9/11 = Iraq. I'll bet we'll still find 40% who still think there's that connection (if not higher).

Right now, the deal is let more people know about the Minutes. They need to know this isn't some strange foreign movie or hearsay (the term "memo" sounds like a rumor as opposed to official) but an official document that shows American were lied to like a cheap Blue semen stained dress. When we start hearing questions like "When did the * know it and when did he forget it..." then we're getting somewhere. So far Bunnypants isn't even touched by this.

Lastly...regarding Psy-ops...proving their activity is all but impossible. I remember all the OSP stories during Vietnam...Air America, clandestine radio stations (some real interesting stories) and cloak and dagger stuff. Proving it's contemporary activities or effects are all but impossible. It only become visible at the distance of time.

The game here is to connect all the many dots we have out there...and we should. Plame connects to DSM connects to the scam at the UN connects to the Chalabi games and so on. Connect those pieces and now the minutes takes on even greater meaning.

Cheers!

[BlueEyedSon]

8. OSP during Vietnam??

I thought the "Office of Special Plans" was a Bushco invention.....

[KharmaTrain]

9. Special Plans Has Been Around For Ages...

Different names...it was OSS in WWII and I don't recall the official name in the 50's and 60's, but there have always been covert activities run by this government.

Check out the Church hearings in 1975...that's what blew the lid off of the Cuban fiascos (hiring mobsters to kill Castro & blowing up his beard) as well as in Iran, Chile and many other countries. So many of the messes we find oursevles in in the Arab world and African countries come from a lot of these operations.

While Intelligence reform made OSP type operations technically illegal, they were still going. Look at Ollie North's operations during the Raygun years. Especially look at the San Jose Mercury's reports on the infiltration of crack cocaine that turned a rich designer drug into a national epidemic on the streets to fund an illegal war...and subsequently destroy the black community through drug and other problems.

The only difference now is the toys and sophistication. These thugs in charge now are feckless. They don't care what they do and to whom...and they always get away with it.

[BlueEyedSon]

10. Thanks for the info

[notadmblnd]

11. Karne Kwaitowski (sp) has been putting things together

She worked with the office of special plans. althought she has not received the attention she deserves, I think you might want to google her and read some more. there is an excellent video clip that I have of her explaining much.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3863483

[LightningFlash]

18. Get her to the hearing.....Right away... Its time.